CRISIS What about the "Little People?"

[ShadowMan]

All this talk about corporate losses, stocks and bond markets, cruise lines, Airlines, etc., etc., but seriously, what about the "Little People", not short people or midgets, but what about the hourly wage earners, small businesses, contractors and such that don't have monetary cushions, or corporate funds, can't get federal loans? What about the waitresses, janitors, small business workers whose jobs are closing down, or they are being laid off? Their meager jobs suddenly gone with no where to turn? Don't have savings to draw on. Preps to turn to. How many small businesses are we going to lose during this? No one is talking about them.

They still have to pay rent, buy food, pay bills. They can't take out emergency loans. Is food stamps, welfare, WIC, and so on going to be available for those poor folks?

What about the homeless that totally rely on charity, soup kitchens, handouts, shelters, etc. With everyone bugging in, sheltering in place, working from home, these people are even more totally shitte out of luck. Not to mention that so many of them are in unbelievable poor health to begin with, now what?

What about the people that can't work from home and yet have to be out in the public, i.e. Cops, Firefighters, Ambulance crews, Transportation workers? Not to mention all the health care workers and then there's those folks on the very front lines: Doctors, Nurses, and their support staff. What about the guys picking up your trash, if the Garbage/Sanitation workers don't show up what are you going to do? What about the thousands of "Little People" that work behind the scenes with all those thankless jobs that we never think about, how are they going to survive this national shut down?

If this is not TEOTWAWKI we're going to come very very close.

Another thing to consider......you all do realize that we also are smack dab in the middle of not one but TWO FLU SEASONS, hitting us at the same time?

Just some random thoughts bouncing around my sick little mind full of "What If's". If this situation gets worse and lasts months....or longer, we're seriously screwed!! I pray hard that it doesn't happen, but this could be a Perfect Storm.

You can't just stop a nation on a dime and expect it to make change.

 

[Dozdoats]

What about the little people? Being addressed in this unusual Saturday morning press conference, POTUS just left the podium, VP in the spotlight now.

Free CV testing for all Americans, other assistance/aid forthcoming.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

It seems like Trump's leaning toward low-interest loans to bridge the gap, but that's not going to do too well for the people who lose jobs. If businesses are taking out loans, they're not going to be hiring; they're going to try and maintain their current stances. They'll also be cutting back people regardless to make sure this problem doesn't outlive the loan. There's not much that can be done; if people don't go out and shop, nothing gets bought, and that means job losses. The only way to fix this with any kind of strength is some kind of cure or vaccine, I hate to say it.

 

[Doc1]

I'm about as far from being a socialist as a person can be, but we are in the midst of a national emergency which is only going to get worse. The socialism path started long ago in this country and the rot is deep. Because of this, the nation is no longer self-sufficient and no longer has the robust, on the ground, charities that used to care for the indigent sick and hungry.

Because of this I have several suggestions and some of them go against my ideological beliefs.

a.) We need a stronger, larger and revamped public health service. All coronavirus services, to include testing and treatment, must be picked up on the public dime. If not, we will never get a handle on it as the poor simply won't get tested.

b.) For a certain period, all lower income and unemployed families and individuals must be given reasonable stipends to survive. Yes, I know. Pure socialist helicopter money, right? Well, if .gov doesn't do this you will see mass starvation and indescribable crime. .Gov bailed out the banks and big corporations. Let's see them bail out the people.

c.) Public dispensing of staple foods: This was a robust program not too many years ago. Anyone qualified could go to National Guard armories or other public facilities and get free boxes of staple foods. Expand and revitalize this program and do away with the qualification paperwork. If they show up needing food, that's their qualification. Willing churches should be recruited to assist in these food distribution efforts.

There. That should be a good start.

Best
Doc

 

[Dozdoats]

We can give all manner of free s(tuff) to illegals and the Dhimmicrats are happy, why not treat actual citizens caught in a crunch not of their own making the same way? After all, it really is all helicopter money anyway, if the .gov does not bridge this crisis we WILL have a broken nation because its backbone (ordinary WORKING people) will fail.

 

[Dobbin]

Tough subject - but your "emotive" spirit (a gift from your spiritual source) begs an answer no doubt.

Unfortunately, those who have not prepared will not fare so well. Still, while humanity exists, charity and the emotive spirit will exist too.

Those who have been there "nothin left to lose" probably will not notice a big difference. Instead of hot dog & bean at the soup kitchen they might have Mac & Cheese. Instead of hot coffee, it might be instant coffee. Instead of 10 volunteers doling out the food, there might be five. The human spirit still motivates.

Those above nothin left will notice more change. Might be a meatless better part of the week. Might be using your fingers and leaving a wipe-cloth near the vanity to clean themselves much as humans did a hundred years ago. Might be sharing dinner with well friends, and hoping for the best. You've all been there done that before - in one way or another.

Humanity near me does seem to be adapting - but Owner is prepped - as far as can be mentally. I know from his tone with his wife he is concerned about grocery supplies, feed for the chickens, and gasoline for the tractor. But I expect this, like any Nor-easter of note, he will get through. Mental attitude is a BIG plus.

Owner (and myself) don't treasure the memory of FDR, but he too like Trump was riding a force greater than himself, and attempting to answer to concern. His answer publically - "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

As in panic is the enemy. Panic robs you of priority, and rational evaluation. FDR was right in that part.

Today is a warming spring day. The ice is now completely off my pond, the paddock is loosened up, and various sundry edibles are starting to break the ground and present themselves to a certain chattel of note. Nothing has changed - only nature taking a logical and usual course - including (unfortunately for you) the contagion parts of nature.

If you're expecting an answer of "they'll just have to die off to rid the world of surplus population," you'll not get it from me. If you're expecting an answer of "We (humanity) need to step up to the plate and become your brother's keeper" you'll not get this one from me either.

The true answer, and probably the best answer, is somewhere in the middle.

Your board equine
Dobbin

 

[West]

It's really simple. Yes there will be some who will bleed all over...but it's really simple, and I muse it would only take a year or two at most for things to settle down and true charity from the private sectors to come back stronger than ever.

Simply remove all payroll liabilities and compliances. But add just one new liability for employers and employees to buy/pay, and that is a good life insurance policy on each employee that is self directed and only bought in the private sector. And done so the employee can cash out or continue at anytime.

Also we would need to get rid of hundreds of thousands of lawyers. No state ran workers comp scams, no UI, no FICA, etc...

Yes this would mean a end to the evil and dreaded income tax system.

Businesses should be able to offer more to their employees but nothing else mandated.

This would bring back our manufacturing and our Republic.

Give lawyers jobs in the factory lines or semd them to our enemies.

Small business is the incubator of employment. As it declines, so too do opportunities for first jobs, second chances and economic independence.

 

[Intestinal Fortitude]

I'm about as far from being a socialist as a person can be, but we are in the midst of a national emergency which is only going to get worse. The socialism path started long ago in this country and the rot is deep. Because of this, the nation is no longer self-sufficient and no longer has the robust, on the ground, charities that used to care for the indigent sick and hungry.

Because of this I have several suggestions and some of them go against my ideological beliefs.

a.) We need a stronger, larger and revamped public health service. All coronavirus services, to include testing and treatment, must be picked up on the public dime. If not, we will never get a handle on it as the poor simply won't get tested.

b.) For a certain period, all lower income and unemployed families and individuals must be given reasonable stipends to survive. Yes, I know. Pure socialist helicopter money, right? Well, if .gov doesn't do this you will see mass starvation and indescribable crime. .Gov bailed out the banks and big corporations. Let's see them bail out the people.

c.) Public dispensing of staple foods: This was a robust program not too many years ago. Anyone qualified could go to National Guard armories or other public facilities and get free boxes of staple foods. Expand and revitalize this program and do away with the qualification paperwork. If they show up needing food, that's their qualification. Willing churches should be recruited to assist in these food distribution efforts.

There. That should be a good start.

Best
Doc

and DEPORT all illegal aliens.
They have their own countries of which they are citizens of.

 

[ShadowMan]

What really concerns me is what happens when the "little people" have NOTHING TO LOSE. That's when things will get really dicey. That's when violence takes over and people start to TAKE what they need to survive. We've been in this GIBMEDAT mentality for too many people for far too long. When people get hungry, they get angry. When their kids get hungry they get desperate. When they feel they have no other choice.....and they have nothing left to lose......they get violent.

Just something to keep in mind over the coming weeks and months. This is going to be a very "froggy" period coming up and everyone had better be prepared for the spark that sets the whole shebang to flames.

Be civil. Be polite, but have a plan....

 

[Kathy in FL]

Crazy subject from a board that leans heavily in the direction of getting the government out of their lives and everyone reaping what they sow. The term "useless eater" gets bandied about a lot. People cite numbers of people on welfare and other forms of assistance they haven't paid into (and some that have).

People needed to fish or cut bait a long time ago. We've had a fantastic economy to take advantage of. Instead they want to continue to vote in idiots that lean further and further socialist every cycle. Times up. Eventually there will not be a net. This may be it.

 

[Intestinal Fortitude]

What really concerns me is what happens when the "little people" have NOTHING TO LOSE. That's when things will get really dicey. That's when violence takes over and people start to TAKE what they need to survive. We've been in this GIBMEDAT mentality for too many people for far too long. When people get hungry, they get angry. When their kids get hungry they get desperate. When they feel they have no other choice.....and they have nothing left to lose......they get violent.

Just something to keep in mind over the coming weeks and months. This is going to be a very "froggy" period coming up and everyone had better be prepared for the spark that sets the whole shebang to flames.

Be civil. Be polite, but have a plan....

Desperation drives people to do many things.
Also with no meds, some will be out of their minds.

 

[Faroe]

The above is why I don't see that Trump is in a good position to win this election. The country can't turn on a dime, but sentiment might. This mess won't be any better a few months from now.

 

[Pinecone]

I'm about as far from being a socialist as a person can be, but we are in the midst of a national emergency which is only going to get worse. The socialism path started long ago in this country and the rot is deep. Because of this, the nation is no longer self-sufficient and no longer has the robust, on the ground, charities that used to care for the indigent sick and hungry.

Because of this I have several suggestions and some of them go against my ideological beliefs.

a.) We need a stronger, larger and revamped public health service. All coronavirus services, to include testing and treatment, must be picked up on the public dime. If not, we will never get a handle on it as the poor simply won't get tested.

b.) For a certain period, all lower income and unemployed families and individuals must be given reasonable stipends to survive. Yes, I know. Pure socialist helicopter money, right? Well, if .gov doesn't do this you will see mass starvation and indescribable crime. .Gov bailed out the banks and big corporations. Let's see them bail out the people.

c.) Public dispensing of staple foods: This was a robust program not too many years ago. Anyone qualified could go to National Guard armories or other public facilities and get free boxes of staple foods. Expand and revitalize this program and do away with the qualification paperwork. If they show up needing food, that's their qualification. Willing churches should be recruited to assist in these food distribution efforts.

There. That should be a good start.

Best
Doc

We already have some of this. We have Medicaid, WIC, Food stamps, unemployment, food banks, and soup kitchens, Medicare and SS. I imagine some of these services are going to be hard hit by people caught up in this pandemic and a lot of people who will suffer anyway. I have no answers.

 

[Dennis Olson]

What really concerns me is what happens when the "little people" have NOTHING TO LOSE. That's when things will get really dicey. That's when violence takes over and people start to TAKE what they need to survive.

^ THIS!!!

 

[Walrus Whisperer]

We can give all manner of free s(tuff) to illegals and the Dhimmicrats are happy, why not treat actual citizens caught in a crunch not of their own making the same way? After all, it really is all helicopter money anyway, if the .gov does not bridge this crisis we WILL have a broken nation because its backbone (ordinary WORKING people) will fail.

I hate to say that the dhimmicrats are NOT happy. They want decent people DEAD. We harsh their buzz because most of us are believers. They WANT us in need or dead.

 

[mzkitty]

We already have some of this. We have Medicaid, WIC, Food stamps, unemployment, food banks, and soup kitchens, Medicare and SS. I imagine some of these services are going to be hard hit by people caught up in this pandemic and a lot of people who will suffer anyway. I have no answers.

In the car on the way back from CVS this morning my son said, "Who is going to suffer most from this virus thing."

I just said, "You know -- poor people." As old folks with no car were waiting at the bus stop.

 

[Dozdoats]

When the elephants fight, the grass gets trampled.

 

[Pinecone]

I feel for them, MzKitty.

And for small business owners who sunk it all into a business that will fail due to circumstances that they could not have foreseen.

There's going to be a lot of heartache before this is over and done.

 

[Melodi]

What really concerns me is what happens when the "little people" have NOTHING TO LOSE. That's when things will get really dicey. That's when violence takes over and people start to TAKE what they need to survive. We've been in this GIBMEDAT mentality for too many people for far too long. When people get hungry, they get angry. When their kids get hungry they get desperate. When they feel they have no other choice.....and they have nothing left to lose......they get violent.

Just something to keep in mind over the coming weeks and months. This is going to be a very "froggy" period coming up and everyone had better be prepared for the spark that sets the whole shebang to flames.

Be civil. Be polite, but have a plan....

To quote many of the very elderly people I used to talk to in my late teens and early 20's, I got a pretty universal message from those who loved FDR and those who hated him.

One lady expressed it best:

"You have to realize, at the time [Great Depression] The Russian Revolution had only happened a few years before and everyone was terrified that it would happen again."

She explained that there were hoards of desperate, hungry, starving people who worse were watching their kids starve to death (literally, my Mom confirmed as a tiny child they once didn't eat for three days and they thought that was normal).

Desperate, starving people who no good options (there was no work, the only way to move around for most people was to walk or get in a beat-up old clunker if you could buy the gasoline) and even working as a field hand barely got people one meal a day or less.

This why (I think) Doc is saying what he is saying; he's lived in other parts of the world and he knows what happens when things fall apart.

Especially if people feel that the "Big Guys" (businesses, corporations etc) are getting all the "breaks" and they are simply being left to suffer and die.

Doc is also totally correct, that without some sort of at least limited and very basic return to a public health system, the poor will not be tested and this virus and the other old killers will be coming back in its wake.

That was already happening in the Homeless camps and as the US discovered in 1918, what starts in a homeless camp or slum does not stay there, it spreads out to disabled and kills all social classes with great abandon.

Even in the High Middle Ages in Europe a major job of the Monastic Centers (especially Convents) was to provide charity health care and what passed for hospitals of the day for the poor and elderly.

Many even had certain buildings used as last resort old folks homes and/or leaper colonies.

Think of it as "enlightened self-interest" in some ways, that seems to have been how many people felt about social programs during the Great Depression. Do something limited now or face a potential revolution and mass death later.

 

[Faroe]

Snip from Melodi's post:

Especially if people feel that the "Big Guys" (businesses, corporations etc) are getting all the "breaks" and they are simply being left to suffer and die.

 

[Melodi]

I feel for them, MzKitty.

And for small business owners who sunk it all into a business that will fail due to circumstances that they could not have foreseen.

There's going to be a lot of heartache before this is over and done.

My former housemate in Seattle reports this is already happening on a large scale, he said a lot of small businesses especially those that rely on foot traffic like cafes and small shops have not just closed for the duration of the crises but have already gone out of business.

He's IT (Microsloth) so he can work from home, but that doesn't cover the folks serving coffee, waiting tables, cutting hair or running small shops forced to close for no one knows how long.

He said:

"Seattle is fairly well shut down. All the tech workers and office workers are working from home. Many of the restaurants are temporarily closing. Some are making it permanent. All events are cancelled, including concerts, symphony, theater, sports, etc. All schools have gone online only. Seattle is definitely shutting down harder than the rest of the country but that’s because we have a quarter of the cases nationwide.

...snip...

Last night at the co-op some of the shelves were empty for things like toilet paper, pasta and oat milk, though they hadn’t been earlier in the week. Assuming it’s just temporary.

It’s so strange how quickly this has all happened and how we have no idea whether it’ll be a matter of weeks or months or years till we get back to normal or whether this is in fact the new normal."

 

[raven]

yet, another reason to infect everyone and take our lumps
and as I am male and over the age of 65, there is no need to mention the fatality rates of seniors, I am one and already thought about it.

 

[Terrwyn]

I think we are very close to rioting. Right now people are confused, kinda scared and no one is hungry. They are starting to find out our system was not set up for everyone to hit the stores at once. They are limiting what you can buy today. Tomorrow will the stores even have anything? So how many days until the zombie apocalyse?
Its moving faster than us doomers can even believe.

 

[packyderms_wife]

I'm about as far from being a socialist as a person can be, but we are in the midst of a national emergency which is only going to get worse. The socialism path started long ago in this country and the rot is deep. Because of this, the nation is no longer self-sufficient and no longer has the robust, on the ground, charities that used to care for the indigent sick and hungry.

Because of this I have several suggestions and some of them go against my ideological beliefs.

a.) We need a stronger, larger and revamped public health service. All coronavirus services, to include testing and treatment, must be picked up on the public dime. If not, we will never get a handle on it as the poor simply won't get tested.

b.) For a certain period, all lower income and unemployed families and individuals must be given reasonable stipends to survive. Yes, I know. Pure socialist helicopter money, right? Well, if .gov doesn't do this you will see mass starvation and indescribable crime. .Gov bailed out the banks and big corporations. Let's see them bail out the people.

c.) Public dispensing of staple foods: This was a robust program not too many years ago. Anyone qualified could go to National Guard armories or other public facilities and get free boxes of staple foods. Expand and revitalize this program and do away with the qualification paperwork. If they show up needing food, that's their qualification. Willing churches should be recruited to assist in these food distribution efforts.

There. That should be a good start.

Best
Doc

Everything goes against the grain of how I think as well... but you are not wrong!

 

[Doughboy42]

It's really simple. Yes there will be some who will bleed all over...but it's really simple, and I muse it would only take a year or two at most for things to settle down and true charity from the private sectors to come back stronger than ever.

Simply remove all payroll liabilities and compliances. But add just one new liability for employers and employees to buy/pay, and that is a good life insurance policy on each employee that is self directed and only bought in the private sector. And done so the employee can cash out or continue at anytime.

Also we would need to get rid of hundreds of thousands of lawyers. No state ran workers comp scams, no UI, no FICA, etc...

Yes this would mean a end to the evil and dreaded income tax system.

Businesses should be able to offer more to their employees but nothing else mandated.

This would bring back our manufacturing and our Republic.

Give lawyers jobs in the factory lines or semd them to our enemies.

Small business is the incubator of employment. As it declines, so too do opportunities for first jobs, second chances and economic independence.

Don't forget to add MBAs (Masters Business Administration graduates) and Hedge Fund Managers.

 

[vestige]

^ THIS!!!

I agree with Dennis and ShadowMan.

IMHO...we have 3 to 5 days at the most before massive looting occurs in NIHHs. Smaller towns will be next. Then there will be a rise of thievery to obtain stuff to sell for money or in some cases food.

Then we must consider druggies and their need for a fix and no money to obtain same.

Assess and secure your perimeters.

 

[West]

Many highly educated MBAs and those in higher education that suck the bankers tits by letting the dumb kids get huge loans and hedge fund managers will be brought to their knees and may jump off high heights.

If what I want happens.

 

[poppy]

What about the "Little People?"

Treat them like everyone else. I haven't heard this virus is any worse for midgets.

 

[West]

What about the "Little People?"

Treat them like everyone else. I haven't heard this virus is any worse for midgets.

Last I heard they had great employment in the Almond milk factories. Cause you need little hands and fingers to milk the almonds.

 

[Dozdoats]

another reason to infect everyone and take our lumps

This seems to be the course of action TPTB decided on a month to six weeks ago.

Now comes the lump taking - which might be why they are scared.

 

[Millwright]

What about the "Little People?"

Treat them like everyone else. I haven't heard this virus is any worse for midgets.

 

[beaglemama]

c.) Public dispensing of staple foods: This was a robust program not too many years ago. Anyone qualified could go to National Guard armories or other public facilities and get free boxes of staple foods. Expand and revitalize this program and do away with the qualification paperwork. If they show up needing food, that's their qualification. Willing churches should be recruited to assist in these food distribution efforts.

There. That should be a good start.

Best
Doc

Another thing to consider with the staple foods is that it will also help the farmers selling the food to the government as well as the people receiving the food. Hopefully small/family farms would get a priority for purchase orders instead of big agribusiness campaign contributors.

 

[To-late]

I believe, that if this crisis is real, than people are going to have their eyes opened to the fantasy world we live in.
Even in America, especially in today's world, we rely on others for our very survival.
We get our food from others, our housing, clothing, protection, etc. all from someone else.
Yet we pretend we are free spirits with independence to live free in a FREE country. Which isn't any way true.
But, if we let the media, and government continue to run our lives,,,,
It could become rock and club survival time real soon, should this made up panic go on much further.
My thoughts anyway.

 

[JF&P]

Thank You Shadowman for starting this thread. We all need this reminder that there are folks out there now that must be hopeless with no where to go....I especially think of the older folks that have physical and emotional limitations....my prayers for them are going up now.

 

[AlfaMan]

I'm about as far from being a socialist as a person can be, but we are in the midst of a national emergency which is only going to get worse. The socialism path started long ago in this country and the rot is deep. Because of this, the nation is no longer self-sufficient and no longer has the robust, on the ground, charities that used to care for the indigent sick and hungry.

Because of this I have several suggestions and some of them go against my ideological beliefs.

a.) We need a stronger, larger and revamped public health service. All coronavirus services, to include testing and treatment, must be picked up on the public dime. If not, we will never get a handle on it as the poor simply won't get tested.

b.) For a certain period, all lower income and unemployed families and individuals must be given reasonable stipends to survive. Yes, I know. Pure socialist helicopter money, right? Well, if .gov doesn't do this you will see mass starvation and indescribable crime. .Gov bailed out the banks and big corporations. Let's see them bail out the people.

c.) Public dispensing of staple foods: This was a robust program not too many years ago. Anyone qualified could go to National Guard armories or other public facilities and get free boxes of staple foods. Expand and revitalize this program and do away with the qualification paperwork. If they show up needing food, that's their qualification. Willing churches should be recruited to assist in these food distribution efforts.

There. That should be a good start.

Best
Doc

Excellent points to ponder.

I think the hiatus in payroll taxes to companies is going to be part of the "trickle down" to us little people. Companies that don't have to pay quarterly payroll taxes will have better balance sheets. I think, most if not all companies at some point are going to pay their employees on a short term disability basis. Probably paid partially by te govt. and partially by the companies (who can write off their share of the payments as an operating loss at the end of the year, making their tax burdens much smaller.) I don't think President Trump would have mentioned the payroll tax relief during the emergency declaration unless he had a specific end game in mind. That is the most plausible way stipends to us little people are going to be handled in my opinion. And thank God for it too. The company I work for sent us an email late Friday; in response to all the schools closing and employees scrambling to find child care. Right now it's a case by case basis but our employees
will be taken care of in this manner. Our employees stuck in Iran, Milan especially and in China are being paid in this manner-I can tell you based on the conversations it's a game and life changer for these people. Particularly to our employees in China-money talks normally; in an area where there are shortages (Winnie the Xi isn't reporting it) having funds positively screams.

Public dispensing of staples are going to happen at some point, as this gets worse. The logistical pipeline for mass distribution of foods is being cranked up (perhaps this should have been put in the BS but it's too important to too many people). I do know the sunshine state for sure will be in place for this very shortly. Let's just say I finally got a phone call
Think the .gov may go the public/private route for end user distribution, I know the .gov part of that program is making lists checking them twice and shuffling stuff around as if they were master poker players. You're in good shape region 4.

The health depts. giving free coronavirus tests was announced today, so someone in the .gov is listening.

 

[WalknTrot]

Minimum wage workers are just gonna have to suck it up. Maybe go on assistance and food stamps if things last very long. Or the ever popular - move in with the parents.

I don't see services to the poor changing too much over the course of this thing. Mostly the homeless will be more vulnerable...I don't consider people on every gov't handout known to man as "poor". Their resources of gov't checks, free food, housing and healthcare will continue as always. The street people ARE dependent on the soup kitchens and such, but unless a lack of volunteers to cook and serve becomes a problem, there will be food. All the orgs would have to do is ask, and people would drop off food for them to use or distribute. Same if the food shelves have problems.

Also, this greater area is extremely blessed to have two excellent quality non-profit hospital systems, that WILL take anybody in for care. I simply do not see these safety nets suddenly disappearing.

 

[Pinecone]

Having thought about this for an hour or so, (I know, scary) I figure that if the government is the one kicking the legs out from under businesses and people's income, they will have to step in to help. Probably more than we would have even thought possible two weeks ago. The only consolation is that this is a world event. All nations are now struggling. We are not alone in this.

However, the people who are well and come through this, especially those who will need government help must recognize that the world we step into three months from now is the not the world that we are leaving today. We will have a choice as a nation to become everything Bernie believes in, or we will have to pull ourselves back up, take personal responsibility, and work like hell to get back on our feet as individuals and as a republic, however battered.

Maybe, the younger generation will realize that the government can provide absolute bare essentials, but if they want our standard of living back, they'll have to work for it and for freedom. I hope it will be a wake up call for those now advocating government nanny care.

This virus might bring us forever to our knees, or reinvigorate our desire for freedom. I have to hope that we make the right decision.

 

[Walrus Whisperer]

The Road to Serfdom Is what I see for me and thee.

 

[zeker]

"Public dispensing of staple foods: This was a robust program not too many years ago. Anyone qualified could go to National Guard armories or other public facilities and get free boxes of staple foods. Expand and revitalize this program and do away with the qualification paperwork. If they show up needing food, that's their qualification. Willing churches should be recruited to assist in these food distribution efforts."

unfortunately.. just showing up and saying "I need"

ID check? fingerprint? facial recog?

something.. anything.. to stop the rush of illegals.. gibsmedats.. etc

will open the doors for millions who DONT need

but wanna get the gravy train (meagre as it is)

we already see fancy cars driven to food banks so their occupants can grab what they can

 

[Pinecone]

It sounds like those who have the virus, even when younger, have to have some strength of will as well as health to get through this. I wonder how many of those who are the gimmee's (they come in all sizes, shape and color) will have the strength of will to fight this virus and to win. Darwin will be walking among us all and the Grim Reaper will be harvesting those whom he can.