CORONA Turns out masks are effective if you wear them. Who knew?

Troke

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Masks are effective but here's how a study from a respected group was misinterpreted to say they weren't​

"It's not a study of the mask but of intervention to get people to wear a mask."
ByMary Kekatos
March 14, 2023, 5:42 PM

Recently, a review from the Cochrane Library set off a firestorm after headlines declared research published by the respected organization's study found masks don't work and don't stop community transmission of respiratory viruses like COVID-19.

Over a two-month period, some commentators and politicians took to op-ed pieces and social media to say the study proved masks weren't needed the whole time and that mandates had been ineffective.

However, the editor-in-chief of the Cochrane Library, Dr. Karla Soares-Weiser, issued a statement on March 10 to say the analysis had been misinterpreted and that the review didn't find that masks do not work.

Rather it looked at how effective masking programs, like mandates, were at slowing the spread of respiratory viruses and, from there, found the results to be inconclusive.​


"Many commentators have claimed that a recently updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work,' which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation," Soares-Weiser wrote. "It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive."

Experts told ABC News the findings from the meta-analysis from the Cochrane Library have not been accurately represented and that evidence shows masks do help prevent the spread of COVID-19.

How the Cochrane review addressed different questions​

The Cochrane review, published in late January, looked at several studies that had examined physical interventions to reduce the spread of respiratory viruses.

Many of the studies analyzed looked at masking interventions, meaning how effective masks are if people are given masks and information about masking, and encouraged to wear them.


However, giving people masks does not necessarily mean that people will wear masks.

"The study was misinterpreted and, when you give it a very quick glance, you see how that would happen," Dr. Jessica Justman, an associate professor of medicine in epidemiology at Columbia Mailman School of Public Health, told ABC News. "It's looking at interventions that tried to promote the use of different kinds of protective equipment, such as masks, and the outcomes are all going to depend on how well people actually adhere to the particular type of protective equipment."


She continued, "So, it's not as much a study of the mask but a study of the intervention to get people to wear a mask."

Additionally, many of the studies analyzed in the Cochrane review didn't look at whether people were wearing them all the time, like a at home around others, and if they were wearing them properly, including tight-fitting and covering the nose and mouth.

"Masks work if you wear them," Justman said. "But if you wear them very imperfectly, if you wear them in a way where they are only loosely fitting on your face and you take them off, let's say in a crowded restaurant to eat a meal, you can't then conclude when you get COVID that the mask didn't protect you because if you don't wear the mask properly, you're not going to get the full protection."

Ramifications of people misinterpreting the results​

Because the review was misinterpreted to say masks don't work rather than the results being inconclusive, Dr. Bruce Y. Lee, a professor of health policy and management at City University of New York School of Public Health, said this could influence people to believe they don't need to wear a mask, which could have consequences.

"This has potential ramifications like long COVID, potential hospitalization and we have to wonder how many lives could have been saved, hospitalizations could have been averted how many cases of long COIVD be avoided if masks were more prevalent," he said.

Lee added it helps that the editor-in-chief issued the statement, but worried the misinterpretation has already been widely spread and it will be hard to change people's minds.

"The concern is that the initial message has already been amplified and the degree to which it was amplified was significant," he said. "One of the challenges is, once information gets out there, it takes twice, triple, sometimes quadruple, or even more than that, the effort to try to correct information that's already out there."

What the science tells us about masks​

"We already have information from other studies that show almost a dose-response relationship between wearing no mask at all, wearing a cloth mask, wearing a surgical mask and wearing an N95," Justman said. "As you go up the ladder, so to speak, with each step of a better-quality mask, you see more protection."

One example is a study published in February 2022 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention examining those who said they wore masks all the time in indoor public settings.

Researchers found cloth masks were associated with a 56% decrease in testing positive for COVID-19, surgical masks by 66% and N95/KN95 masks by 83% compared to those who didn't wear masks or face coverings.

Lee added that masks are population-based interventions, not individual-based interventions, meaning their efficacy depends on not just one person wearing a mask but how many people are wearing masks too.

"We know that masks not only protect the wearer from other people and from the virus, but they also protect other people from the wearer, because if someone's infectious and shedding the virus, the mask can prevent them from spewing the virus into air, or at least reducing the amount of virus the air," he said.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
From the article:
"We know that masks not only protect the wearer from other people and from the virus, but they also protect other people from the wearer, because if someone's infectious and shedding the virus, the mask can prevent them from spewing the virus into air, or at least reducing the amount of virus the air," he said.
Undeniable Truth, yet people still deny it.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
A fabric mask does nothing. A well fitted N95 class respirator reduces viral load you may inhale but does not eliminate it. For most people they do nothing as they are not fitted properly and not properly donned or doffed. A reduced viral load gives your immune system more time to react to a virus. For bacterial infection they are very effective if again they are worn right.

This is another instance where its not totally black or white. Those that say masking is totally useless are as uninformed as those that still are wearing face diapers today thinking they are protected from infection. For them it is a psychological pacifier and nothing more.
 

Arnina

Contributing Member
A fabric mask does nothing. A well fitted N95 class respirator reduces viral load you may inhale but does not eliminate it. For most people they do nothing as they are not fitted properly and not properly donned or doffed. A reduced viral load gives your immune system more time to react to a virus. For bacterial infection they are very effective if again they are worn right.

This is another instance where its not totally black or white. Those that say masking is totally useless are as uninformed as those that still are wearing face diapers today thinking they are protected from infection. For them it is a psychological pacifier and nothing more.

Masking, is totally useless… in the general population BECAUSE the majority of the people out there have no clue on how to properly wear a correctly fitted mask, or even the correct kind of mask. They also have no understanding of why, how and when to change their mask. Education methods failed repeatedly, in fact, the education was pathetic. Masking is totally useless, and it is black and white simply because stupidity is rampant in society.
 

Aglaope

Inactive
Masking, is totally useless… in the general population BECAUSE the majority of the people out there have no clue on how to properly wear a correctly fitted mask, or even the correct kind of mask. They also have no understanding of why, how and when to change their mask. Education methods failed repeatedly, in fact, the education was pathetic. Masking is totally useless, and it is black and white simply because stupidity is rampant in society.
I disagree tho on the education part. The education was given time and time again. Schools, churches, etc all gave info, masks. The person wearing it shouldered the responsibility. How many adults did I see walking around with it under their noses? And too many simply thumbed their noses at wearing one period. And those that latched onto NOT wearing a mask, made it political - all useless human beings. Society indeed is getting dumber by the day.

Ever wonder why people during plagues covered their mouth and noses? Same with every other communicable diseases. Even in the dark ages without modern technology they knew how transmission of germs occurred. The common cold, TB, Spanish flu …….
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The masks were not - and are not - totally useless IF the proper mask is sized properly and worn correctly.

Nor were they the miracle panacea that the media claimed they were in the height of the lockdown..

They could - indeed DID - help some people to remain disease free. Me and my wife, to count two.

We have had to go into a germ infested chemo lounge for five hours at a time, once every three weeks. Every third week. Month after month. Year after year. We were in that room with all kinds of people whose immune systems were run down and were often sick as a dog.

Yet WE never got Covid. Not even my wife, who is on chemo, and has been for about 5 years now.

Why?

Because - despite the discomfort involved at times - we always wore properly fitted N-95 or P-100 masks.

We also took quercetin, zinc, vitamins C, D, and multivitamins, and later, ivermectin and a OTC nose spray made of saline and a few other natural ingredients (the name of that spray escapes me at the moment).

But yes, I credit the face masks with most of the reason we both remained healthy despite 5 hours once every three weeks in the chemo lounge during the entire pandemic.
 
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Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What studies can we site to prove that masks are useless?
Well, you won’t want to do an antidotal study of me and my wife if that is what you want to find, because we were (are still) religious about wearing properly fitted masks and face shields, and neither of us have had Covid yet.

Neither of us have been jabbed, either.

We are both disease free AND jabless…
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
A well fitted N95 class respirator reduces viral load you may inhale but does not eliminate it.
Owner's take on the N95 masks is that they're a 5 percent "allowance."

He uses them for things like sheet-rocking or sanding floors, but they still have some "blow by."

When he was machining plastic (Azek) on the tablesaw, he moved the saw outside and STILL used a mask.

He says there are N100 masks, but you (normal people) can't afford them, they have a SHORT LIFE, and probably restrict your 02 (breathing)

And he says the "surgical" mask with two loops that fit the ears which the Democrats are fond of wearing are like N40. As he says "They wear them as a sort of virtue signal and proof they've bought in to the Democratic dismissal of developed immunity."

One opinion.

Your doctor or undertaker may vary.

Dobbin
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
BTW, my wife’s cancer center still requires masks on both patients and staff. They are allowed to wear the same surgical masks that they wear in the OR (which they will give you, if you ask for one), Those are good, but not as good as our N-95s.

The fact that everybody else in the chemo lounge is masked up is also part of why - to this day - my wife and I remain both disease free and jab-less.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
Well, you won’t want to do an antidotal study of me and my wife if that is what you want to find, because we were (are still) religious about wearing properly fitted masks and face shields, and neither of us have had Covid yet.

Neither of us have been jabbed, either.

We are both disease free AND jabless…
TRANSLATION:
we both have a highly functioning IMMUNE SYSTEM.
Take care of your immune system and it WILL take care of you
A job well done Barry!!
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Sure it does. It reduces the volume and velocity of snot, mucus and particulates that you spew into the air when you cough and sneeze. It does the same with the velocity of the air you exhale.

if you doubt it, put one on, give it a juicy sneeze and look inside.

We are talking virus here the size of a few microns. A fabric mask isn’t going to prevent viral transmission. If you think it does you are welcome to your opinion. If someone passes gas and you can smell it through their jeans viral particulates are many times smaller that hydrogen sulfide molecules.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
So, let's see. The Cochrane study is says that the results were inconclusive at best. Then the article goes on to have its chosen experts springboard into a "masking does work" discussion.

That's what us unsophisticated rubes call propaganda.
Read it carefully. Mass requirements that everybody wear a mask got inclusive results. Wearing a mask properly works.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
_______________
Masks fail in hospital settings despite correct wear. Ask my son and daughter who both work in hospital settings. N95s failed despite correct fit.

Gloves and proper hand washing protocols did more to drop cases than mandatory masks.

I wish people would knock it off with the false sense of security. It is nothing but a woobie for the masses.

To even get some effectiveness the mask must be N95 or higher, be properly fitted at all times, changed often, especially if they become damp, and not touched or adjusted once on. You must also wash your hands properly before and after the mask goes on. The hospital where son works found masks were often a vector of infection rather than a preventative.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I understand that the masks, forced upon the nation’s schoolchildren, did indeed work very well to trap spit, bacteria, CO2 and freedom of healthy facial and voice expression.

Their immune systems and social skills were badly compromised throughout.

I understand that shackles and leg irons are also quite effective, if worn properly.
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
Masks teach people to be compliant, so yes in a strange way they do work.

In the same way that stop signs teach people to be compliant? I'm not saying masks are or are not one of these instances, but society does need laws in order to function as smoothly as possible.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
We are talking virus here the size of a few microns. A fabric mask isn’t going to prevent viral transmission. If you think it does you are welcome to your opinion. If someone passes gas and you can smell it through their jeans viral particulates are many times smaller that hydrogen sulfide molecules.
Ah, but your comment was that "fabric mask do nothing"

I didn't respond that they prevent viral transmission. I said that they reduce the volume and velocity of snot mucus and particulates that you spew into the air. That is an undeniable fact.

And all of those things are viral carriers. Sure, they are not the only viral carriers, but they are carriers nonetheless .

If I walk past a slob sneezing in a hall three feet away I would rather he be wearing a mask than not.
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
I understand that the masks, forced upon the nation’s schoolchildren, did indeed work very well to trap spit, bacteria, CO2 and freedom of healthy facial and voice expression.

Their immune systems and social skills were badly compromised throughout.

I understand that shackles and leg irons are also quite effective, if worn properly.

True about our immune systems being weakened from social avoidances. Worth it or not can be debated, but I totally believe this is true.
 

Arnina

Contributing Member
The masks were not - and are not - totally useless IF the proper mask is sized properly and worn correctly.

Nor were they the miracle panacea that the media claimed they were in the height of the lockdown..

They could - indeed DID - help some people to remain disease free. Me and my wife, to count two.

We have had to go into a germ infested chemo lounge for five hours at a time, once every three weeks. Every third week. Month after month. Year after year. We were in that room with all kinds of people whose immune systems were run down and were often sick as a dog.

Yet WE never got Covid. Not even my wife, who is on chemo, and has been for about 5 years now.

Why?

Because - despite the discomfort involved at times - we always wore properly fitted N-95 or P-100 masks.

We also took quercetin, zinc, vitamins C, D, and multivitamins, and later, ivermectin and a OTC nose spray made of saline and a few other natural ingredients (the name of that spray escapes me at the moment).

But yes, I credit the face masks with most of the reason we both remained healthy despite 5 hours once every three weeks in the chemo lounge during the entire pandemic.
My husband, going through chemotherapy, also took zinc, C,D3, and multivitamins (as did I). That did the most for him, myself, and most likely you.

It kills me. We survived the pandemic and all it’s stupidity, but the Bleomycin chemotherapy killed my husband by fibrosing his lungs.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
We are talking virus here the size of a few microns. A fabric mask isn’t going to prevent viral transmission. If you think it does you are welcome to your opinion. If someone passes gas and you can smell it through their jeans viral particulates are many times smaller that hydrogen sulfide molecules.
and that pesky thing known as "common sense" strikes again
 

Arnina

Contributing Member
Ah, but your comment was that "fabric mask do nothing"

I didn't respond that they prevent viral transmission. I said that they reduce the volume and velocity of snot mucus and particulates that you spew into the air. That is an undeniable fact.

And all of those things are viral carriers. Sure, they are not the only viral carriers, but they are carriers nonetheless .

If I walk past a slob sneezing in a hall three feet away I would rather he be wearing a mask than not.
As if the ignorant masses would sneeze into their mask. Not.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
As if the ignorant masses would sneeze into their mask. Not.
Well, of course not. People have no sense of decency towards one another and won't take the slightest precaution.

But the issue here that I was addressing really wasn't whether people will wear them or whether people should wear them. But rather I was addressing the state that "face masks do nothing", which clearly is nonsense.

Any barrier provides a degree of protection. The amount of protection depends on the type of barrier and the way it is worn.

Whether the trade off is worth doing or whether people will try to be polite to their fellow man (hint, they won't) is a whole other argument.
 

Demodave

Veteran member
I have stage 4 cancer. Wore masks, took vitamins, washed hands, ad nauseam, still got covid. No jab. So much for the "experts". Who by the way staunchly recommended the jab. Also was on Ivermectin, etc.

So much for their "study".

Masks dont work for stopping covid. Great use as a snot rag however.

Immune system working in overdrive is your best friend. If you want to wear a mask, have at it. If you dont, have at it.

Dont however tell others what to do. You wont like the results.... Especially if your from the government
 

BUBBAHOTEPT

Veteran Member
Even in the dark ages without modern technology they knew how transmission of germs occurred. The common cold, TB, Spanish flu
And that worked real well didn’t it…. And yes, I believe a proper mask can be useful depending on the threat.. Sweden, of all places, actually practiced Science. I’d say they did fairly well… :kaid:
We also took quercetin, zinc, vitamins C, D, and multivitamins, and later, ivermectin and a OTC nose spray made of saline and a few other natural ingredients (the name of that spray escapes me at the moment).
This and cleaning out your nostrils with povidone-iodine spray. I went through the same thing with my mom before COVID, and while masks were available, I rarely saw them used. Subsequently, I never heard anyone sneezing or suffering from a case of the sniffles either. You simply didn’t go in.
I get wearing a mask and viral load in close quarters, but not outside for God's sake; unless, you are burying someone with Ebola, and then mask, face shield, gloves, etc.,100%.
Bottom line: do what you need to do if something is going around. I did not get COVID either and no JAB, wore a mask only if it was required. I also drove someone with COVID from the airport in an enclosed car maskless for an hour and half as well. And no, I did not kiss them goodnight, I do draw the line once in a while. Incidentally, I also drove that same person to get their 2 Pfizer shots in January of 21. But hey, I’m from Florida, so I guess it is all our faults Michigan got so sick, but they sure did mask up right pretty….:whistle:
 

The Cub

Behold, I am coming soon.




Masks are effective but here's how a study from a respected group was misinterpreted to say they weren't​

"It's not a study of the mask but of intervention to get people to wear a mask."
ByMary Kekatos
March 14, 2023, 5:42 PM

Recently, a review from the Cochrane Library set off a firestorm after headlines declared research published by the respected organization's study found masks don't work and don't stop community transmission of respiratory viruses like COVID-19.

Over a two-month period, some commentators and politicians took to op-ed pieces and social media to say the study proved masks weren't needed the whole time and that mandates had been ineffective.

However, the editor-in-chief of the Cochrane Library, Dr. Karla Soares-Weiser, issued a statement on March 10 to say the analysis had been misinterpreted and that the review didn't find that masks do not work.

Rather it looked at how effective masking programs, like mandates, were at slowing the spread of respiratory viruses and, from there, found the results to be inconclusive.​


"Many commentators have claimed that a recently updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work,' which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation," Soares-Weiser wrote. "It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive."

Experts told ABC News the findings from the meta-analysis from the Cochrane Library have not been accurately represented and that evidence shows masks do help prevent the spread of COVID-19.

How the Cochrane review addressed different questions​

The Cochrane review, published in late January, looked at several studies that had examined physical interventions to reduce the spread of respiratory viruses.

Many of the studies analyzed looked at masking interventions, meaning how effective masks are if people are given masks and information about masking, and encouraged to wear them.


However, giving people masks does not necessarily mean that people will wear masks.

"The study was misinterpreted and, when you give it a very quick glance, you see how that would happen," Dr. Jessica Justman, an associate professor of medicine in epidemiology at Columbia Mailman School of Public Health, told ABC News. "It's looking at interventions that tried to promote the use of different kinds of protective equipment, such as masks, and the outcomes are all going to depend on how well people actually adhere to the particular type of protective equipment."


She continued, "So, it's not as much a study of the mask but a study of the intervention to get people to wear a mask."

Additionally, many of the studies analyzed in the Cochrane review didn't look at whether people were wearing them all the time, like a at home around others, and if they were wearing them properly, including tight-fitting and covering the nose and mouth.

"Masks work if you wear them," Justman said. "But if you wear them very imperfectly, if you wear them in a way where they are only loosely fitting on your face and you take them off, let's say in a crowded restaurant to eat a meal, you can't then conclude when you get COVID that the mask didn't protect you because if you don't wear the mask properly, you're not going to get the full protection."

Ramifications of people misinterpreting the results​

Because the review was misinterpreted to say masks don't work rather than the results being inconclusive, Dr. Bruce Y. Lee, a professor of health policy and management at City University of New York School of Public Health, said this could influence people to believe they don't need to wear a mask, which could have consequences.

"This has potential ramifications like long COVID, potential hospitalization and we have to wonder how many lives could have been saved, hospitalizations could have been averted how many cases of long COIVD be avoided if masks were more prevalent," he said.

Lee added it helps that the editor-in-chief issued the statement, but worried the misinterpretation has already been widely spread and it will be hard to change people's minds.

"The concern is that the initial message has already been amplified and the degree to which it was amplified was significant," he said. "One of the challenges is, once information gets out there, it takes twice, triple, sometimes quadruple, or even more than that, the effort to try to correct information that's already out there."

What the science tells us about masks​

"We already have information from other studies that show almost a dose-response relationship between wearing no mask at all, wearing a cloth mask, wearing a surgical mask and wearing an N95," Justman said. "As you go up the ladder, so to speak, with each step of a better-quality mask, you see more protection."

One example is a study published in February 2022 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention examining those who said they wore masks all the time in indoor public settings.

Researchers found cloth masks were associated with a 56% decrease in testing positive for COVID-19, surgical masks by 66% and N95/KN95 masks by 83% compared to those who didn't wear masks or face coverings.

Lee added that masks are population-based interventions, not individual-based interventions, meaning their efficacy depends on not just one person wearing a mask but how many people are wearing masks too.

"We know that masks not only protect the wearer from other people and from the virus, but they also protect other people from the wearer, because if someone's infectious and shedding the virus, the mask can prevent them from spewing the virus into air, or at least reducing the amount of virus the air," he said.
Really?

Why don't the workers in the bioweapon labs simply wear the cheap permeable cloth masks instead of hazmat suits?
 
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