OP-ED Trump at the Rubicon How the Insurrection Act and Militia Act Empower Trump to Cast the Die

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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In the closing days of 50 BC, the Roman Senate declared that Julius Caesar’s term as a provincial governor was finished. Roman law afforded its magistrates immunity to prosecution, but this immunity would end with Caesar’s term. As the leader of the populares faction, Caesar had many enemies among the elite optimates, and as soon as he left office, these enemies planned to bury him in litigation. Caesar knew he would lose everything: property, liberty, even his life.

Caesar decided it was better to fight for victory than accept certain defeat. In January 49 BC, he crossed the Rubicon River with his army, in violation of sacred Roman law, and begin a civil war. “Alea iacta est,” said Caesar: The die is cast.

In the closing days of 2020 AD, the American media has declared that Donald Trump’s term as president is finished. As the leader of the deplorables faction, Trump has many enemies among the elite irates, and as soon as he leaves office, these enemies plan to bury him in litigation. Bill Pascrell, the Chairman of the House Ways & Means Subcommittee on Oversight, has officially called for the prosecution of President Trump for “government crimes” following his term in office. In his thirst for vengeance, Pascrell has made it clear there will be no Nixonian escape by pardon:
Donald Trump, along with his worst enablers, must be tried for their crimes against our nation and Constitution. Any further abuse of the sacred pardon power to shield criminals would itself be obstruction of justice, and any self-pardons would be illegal.
Like Caesar, Trump now must fight for victory or lose everything. Come January 2021, will Donald Trump decide to cast the die and cross the Rubicon? He might.
The same people who warned us that Trump is worse than Hitler will now scoff: “Donald Trump is no Caesar!” That’s true. Trump is in a much better position than Caesar was.
Unlike Caesar, Trump can cross the Rubicon legally. He need violate no sacred law. He has all of the legal power he needs to act and win. Congress has given it to him. All he needs to do is invoke the Insurrection Act.

Invoking the Insurrection Act
During the 2020 summer protests and riots, commentators on both the Left and Right argued about whether Trump would use the so-called Insurrection Act against the crowds. Strangely, no one seems to be considering the fact that Trump could use it now.
The history of the Insurrection Act dates back all the way to 1797, and the legislative record is so long and tortured that it’s woeful to contemplate. Suffice to say that in the 21st century, the Insurrection Act has been pleasantly re-titled “The Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order Act” and codified in four sections of the US Code:
Of the four provisions, the most recent and the most powerful is 10 USC § 253, which was written in 2006. This is the one that liberal pundits always forget to mention when they blab about Posse Comitatus and governors. It reads:
The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it-
  1. so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
  2. opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.
That’s powerful language! Consider:
  • The authority is vested solely in the President. He does not need the invitation of state governors to intervene, nor does he need the approval of the Supreme Court. Older provisions of the Insurrection Act required either a governor or a judicial proceeding to authorize its use, but these limits were purposefully removed by Congress in § 253.
  • There is no time limit on the President’s activities. Older versions of the Insurrection Act limited the use of force to brief periods of time and then required legislative approval. Those limits, too, are also gone.
  • The President is allowed to use any means that he (and again, he needs no one else) considers necessary. This includes using the armed forces (which enables him to bypass the Posse Comitatus Act) and using the militia (which we’ll discuss in more detail below).
  • The President’s ability to use force isn’t restricted to actual rebellion or insurgency. He can act against merely unlawful combinations and conspiracies. To be clear: If the President decides that a conspiracy has deprived people of a right and believes that authorities fail or refuse to protect the right, he can send in the troops.
In blunt terms, Congress has given the power to President Trump to proclaim:
“I, President Trump, have determined that a conspiracy has deprived 70 million Americans of their right to vote and that the other authorities are refusing to protect this right. I therefore order the suppression of this conspiracy by any means necessary.”
And with that, Trump will cross the Rubicon.

Horror and Denial: He Shouldn’t! He Wouldn’t!
If you are of libertarian leanings, you are likely to feel horror: “Why on Earth did a free republic vest so much power into one man?”
You should feel horror. The Romans required a Senate vote to appoint a Dictator with emergency powers, and that Dictator served a strict six-month term limit. In America, we’ve given the President the right to decide when he should become a Dictator and for how long he can retain his emergency powers.

This was certainly unwise; but it is done. “Game over, man.” The power has been given. The power can be used. And it probably will be used if the Democrats continue on their foolish campaign to seek vengeance on Trump.
If you are in the grip of normalcy bias, you are likely to be in denial: “Trump wouldn’t dare! The US Armed Forces would remove him from office! The troops wouldn’t respond to his call!”

Pompey said the same about the Roman legions. He was wrong. He was so wrong, in fact, that his decapitated head ended up in a stylish gift box presented to Caesar as a present when he landed in Egypt. Don’t be Pompey.
Now, I don’t expect beheadings (just helicopters) but I do expect that the US Armed Forces would obey Trump’s orders. Although he is not popular with the Pentagon, Trump remains popular with actual soldiers, especially with white middle-class men who make up a disproportionate number of the infantry, armor, pilots, special forces, and other combat arms. (His support among law enforcement personnel is even higher. The men with guns love Trump.)
But let’s assume the Armed Forces are paralyzed, split, or neutral. If so, Trump still has millions of troops available: The militia.

Calling Up the Militia
The militia is defined by 10 U.S. Code § 246:
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and… under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
  • (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
  • (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
This is, again, an incredibly powerful piece of legislation. Put into plain English, and ignoring a few minor exemptions (postal workers, etc), Trump commands an unorganized militia consisting of every able-bodied man between the ages of 17 and 45. The men don’t need to be in the National Guard. They don’t need to be veterans. They don’t need to be anything except 17 to 45 and able-bodied.
Remember that 10 USC § 253 grants the President the power to use the militia to take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress conspiracy. The militia is statutorily defined to include the unorganized militia.

Therefore, when you combine 10 USC § 253 with 10 USC § 246, the President can call on every able-bodied male age 17 to 45 to take any means he deems necessary to suppress the conspiracy to deny Americans their voting rights.
How many men is that? With 328M Americans, 50% of them male, and 40% of them between 18 and 45, that’s 65M militia members.

Organizing the Unorganized
When Trump calls up the unorganized militia, how does it get organized? What Federal statutes, regulations, and case law govern what happens next? The answer… Well, there isn’t one.
The Citizen-Soldier under Federal and State Law”, a lengthy law review article published in 94 W. Va. L. Rev (1992), reviewed all of the available statutes, regulations, and case law relating to the use of citizen-soldiers. Turns out, there’s not much about the unorganized militia. In fact, in the entirety of the 20th century, there has only been one case:
In 1946 Virginia Governor William Mumford Tuck issued a call to the state's unorganized militia to come to the aid of the state and to quell a labor dispute.
Let’s quickly look at what happened. According to the Encyclopedia Virginia, the crisis began when the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) union announced that its members would strike against the Virginia Electric and Power Company unless its demands were met by a deadline of April 1, 1946.

At the time, “Virginia law divided its militia into four classes: the National Guard, the Virginia Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia. This latter unit hypothetically consisted of all able-bodied males between the ages of sixteen and fifty-five who could be summoned by the governor if needed.” (Virginia law thus mirrored 10 U.S. Code § 246.)

Two days before the strike deadline, Governor Tuck “unilaterally decreed that all IBEW employees were summarily drafted into the unorganized militia and ordered, on pain of court-martial, to continue at their jobs.” Shortly thereafter, the dispute was resolved and questions as to the constitutionality of Tuck's actions were left unresolved. However, the next month, US President Harry S. Truman “used a similar tactic in threatening to draft into the U.S. Army railway workers whose union, the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen, was calling for a nationwide strike; as in the VEPCO affair, the two sides reached a settlement at the eleventh hour.”

So in the only recorded instance in the last 100 years, an unorganized militia was called up, drafted, and ordered to perform particular duties on pain of court-martial, unilaterally by a governor, without any other legislative action, new statute, or court order. And rather than condemn the governor, the US President thought this idea was so awesome he used it himself the next month on the federal militia.
With no apparent limits whatsoever, the Insurrection Act combined with the Militia Act isn’t just a blank check; it’s a blank check book. Apparently our government can call on its citizens to do whatever it wants! I would protest this, but I’m currently on lockdown.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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The Balance of Forces
Let’s return to our earlier assumption that Trump has invoked the Insurrection Act and then used it to call up the militia. Let’s continue to assume that the US Armed Forces are either paralyzed with indecision, split in their loyalties, or opting to stay neutral, and just look at the militia. So who is going to fight?

Now, no matter what the law says, not every eligible militia man would respond to Trump’s call. But it seems likely there’d be a large number who did respond, and an even larger number of noncombatant supporters. Right now, 70% of Republicans don’t think the election was free and fair. If Trump calls on the unorganized militia to save the Republic from voter fraud, a militia will come.
So too would an anti-militia or resistance. In fact, lots of people who are willing to fight are fighting on the streets already. It seems likely that if Trump crosses the Rubicon, he will trigger a civil war, just like Caesar triggered a civil war.
When Caesar crossed the Rubicon, he had only one legion against the might of Rome. What would Trump and his opponents be able to muster?

Let’s assess the balance of forces. Trump’ voters consisted of 58% of 98M white men; 55% of 98M white women; 36% of 30M Hispanic men, 28% of 30M Hispanic women, 20% of 22M black men, and 9% of 22M black women.
Meanwhile, the demographics of gun ownership in the US are as follows: 48% of white men own a gun, while only 24% of white women own a gun, 24% of non white men, and 16% of non-white women.
Assuming that women largely don’t fight (which is the historical norm), the balance of forces looks like this:
  • 98 million white men x 58% Trump voters x 48% gun owners x 40% 18-45 = 11 million white gun-owning Trump militia
  • 36 million Hispanic men x 30% Trump voters x 24% gun owners x 40% 18-45 = 1 million Hispanic gun-owning Trump militia
  • 22 million black men x 20% Trump voters x 24% gun owners x 40% 18-45 = 0.4 million black gun-owning Trump militia
  • 98 million white men x 42% Biden voters x 48% gun owners x 40% 18-45 = 8 million white gun-owning anti-Trump resisters
  • 36 million Hispanic men x 70% Biden voters x 24% gun owners x 40% 18-45 = 2.4 million Hispanic gun-owning anti-Trump resisters
  • 22 million black men x 80% Biden voters x 24% gun owners x 40% 18-45 = 1.7 million black gun-owning anti-Trump resisters
This basic math suggests 12.4 million potential Trump gun owners and 12.1 million potential anti-Trump gun owners.
However, it’s likely the odds would stack more favorably to Trump. Although only 39% of Americans are Republicans, gun owners are actually 64% Republican. In other words, those who own guns are disproportionately Republican by a factor of 1.64! If we replace the percentage of Trump voters with the percentage of Republican gun-owners, then the balance of forces changes to 17.6M pro-Trump and 6.9M anti-Trump.

3% of Americans fought in the Continental Army during the Revolution. If 3% respond to the call for the militia, that would mean between 450,000 to 700,000 militia and 210,000 to 450,000 resisters. To put that in context, there’s only 60,000 soldiers in the Infantry Branch of the US Army.

Of the militia who do respond, those on Trump’s side will be much better trained. As noted earlier, the military’s combat arms are disproportionately white, with the infantry being 79% white and only 9% black. Since the United States has now been at war for 20 years, there are millions of combat veterans, and the vast majority of those who fought as infantry are likely to be on Trump’s side. Likewise, the vast majority of LEO veterans seem likely to fight on Trump’s side, if they chose a side.

The Oathkeepers, a hundred-thousand-strong organization made up of military and law enforcement veterans and personnel, has already stated that it will refuse to recognize a Biden presidency. “We’ll be very much like the founding fathers. We’ll end up nullifying and resisting,” said founder Stewart Rhodes.
The founding fathers resisted, of course, with guns.

This Is Not a Drill
Meanwhile, those in the grip of normalcy bias still think that the ‘nuclear option’ is for Trump to ask the state legislatures to appoint some electors to the college. Using legislative ballots isn’t the nuclear option. It’s barely a grenade. The nuclear option is Insurrection Act and the Militia.

Left-wing media is a parade of ostriches marching heads down in the sand. “Trump will lose in a landslide!” Wrong. “Trump has already lost!” Wrong. “There is no evidence of fraud!” Wrong. “Civil War could never happen!” Wrong. Maybe it won’t happen. The future is unpredictable. But it really, really could happen.

If I had told you last November that in the next 12 months the US would endure the worst pandemic since Spanish Flu, AND the worst depression since the Great Depression, AND the worst Constitutional crisis since the Civil War, AND the worst civil unrest since the summer of 1968, AND an unprecedented nation-wide lockdowns that led to the end of sports, bars, restaurants, movies, in-class attendance at school, and commuting to work, AND that it would culminate in the World Economic Forum announcing a Great Reset to the global economy to lock in this new normal, would you have believed me? No, you’d have laughed me off as a tinfoil nutjob. Yet here we are.

To repeat a statistic from earlier: 70% of Republicans think that the most recent election is illegitimate. In a functioning democracy, if 70% of the second-largest political party in the country thinks an election has been stolen, the elites come together to cooperate to investigate and restore legitimacy in the eyes of the voters.

In the US, that’s not happening. Instead, an enormous machine, consisting of tech oligopolies, liberal media, watchdog groups, and partisan activists, is doing everything it can to silence and suppress the dissenters. Simultaneously, this same machine is making enemy lists and actively declaring that when it wins, it will be taking vengeance, against Trump, against everyone who helped him, and against everyone who voted for him.

This is not a drill. This is where we are. If Trump is standing on the banks of the Rubicon, it’s because the leftist machine has purposefully widened the Rubicon River until it reaches his feet.

Clear-headed left-wingers — if there are any left — need to step in and deescalate the threats against Trump and his supporters, and listen to 70 million Americans clamoring for fair and fraud-free voting. There is still time.
Otherwise, as another great military leader put it, “when on death ground, you must fight.”

Update (1230AM 11/20/20): This afternoon, Trump’s legal team made serious allegations of election fraud in the Presidential election and indicated their intent to pursue these allegations in as many as 10 states. In response, Democrat thought leaders have declared the litigation efforts to be an attempted coup, begun a #sedition hashtag on Twitter, and written op-eds demanding felony charges against the entire legal team for treason — a legal team led by one of the nation’s most respected prosecutors and mayors in history! Taking the position that litigating before the Supreme Court is sedition is a perfect example of purposefully widening the Rubicon River until it reaches Trump’s feet.

 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
You know what the leftists intend to do to Trump followers if Biden gets in as they have made that clear. If we are under threat you know that they will go after Trump, his family and his businesses ruthlessly if he is deposed from office. And from Trump's perspective he knows what they will try to do to him if the communists are successful. They attempted a soft coup after 2016 and a bold and in your face election fraud is a hard coup for all intents and purposes.

What does Trump have to loose by going for broke and actually using the massive power of his office when he is in the right and the fate of the Republic is at stake? If Biden gets in through a stolen election and is shortly replaced by Harris this country will go toltalitarian and communist.

This next few months is truly for all the marbles and will determine if we are going to go down as a nation under rule of law, rule of despotism or no rule of all under anarchy.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
I logged in to TB2K this morning specifically to let people here know about this essay. I hope the God-Emperor Trump had a printout of it in his first daily intelligence update after it was published. Now, in addition to what he's already doing, Trump needs to do two things: 1) hold lots more mass rallies, concentrating on about the 8 states nearest Washington. 2) Is for him to lead the attending willing in a mass taking of the U.S. Armed Forces Oath of Enlistment. Throwing in the phrase in the Declaration of Independence about pledging our lives and our sacred honor would be a nice addition. I'd take the Oath -- and mean it. So would millions of other Americans.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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What does Trump have to loose by going for broke and actually using the massive power of his office when he is in the right and the fate of the Republic is at stake? If Biden gets in through a stolen election and is shortly replaced by Harris this country will go toltalitarian and communist.

This next few months is truly for all the marbles and will determine if we are going to go down as a nation under rule of law, rule of despotism or no rule of all under anarchy.

It has to go through the legal process first.

Yes, that may be compromised too.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
It has to go through the legal process first.

Yes, that may be compromised too.

You can rest assured that if your a former Officer or NCO and respond to Trump's call and provide leadership to the masses that you will have to carry on as though your life depends upon it, because it will.

Failure will be met by round ups and quick trials... Akin to the "humor" for Hogan's Heros, "You'll be give a fair trial and be shot at dawn."

Jeff B.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
DUDE!
I have read the Ballance of Forces part of this before. So either it has been posted elsewhere a year or two ago, OR
Deja vu, the world is going precisely as it is supposed to and we are where we are supposed to be.

The Deja Vu feeling was absolutely ELECTRIC as I got to that part of the essay.

I think I should stop fretting now and KNOW that God has this and I need to enjoy the warm-up acts of the Show.

(But I need to get my back hair to lay smoothly first)
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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DUDE!
I have read the Ballance of Forces part of this before. So either it has been posted elsewhere a year or two ago, OR
Deja vu, the world is going precisely as it is supposed to and we are where we are supposed to be.

IMO, the campaign rallies and real election results provided some important data points.

Them whats sit around and analyze such things can probably make much more accurate assessments on this.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
You can rest assured that if your a former Officer or NCO and respond to Trump's call and provide leadership to the masses that you will have to carry on as though your life depends upon it, because it will.

Failure will be met by round ups and quick trials... Akin to the "humor" for Hogan's Heros, "You'll be give a fair trial and be shot at dawn."

Jeff B.

indeed . . . so let the games begin
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think this is the most important information about the election situation, other than whichever one explained all of the Dominion machines counting votes in Europe. 10 USC 253 made my day. The court-martial angle--How the State gov used these things to call the IBEW into the militia such that they could be liable to court-martial--that one had never occurred to me. And probably no one in Blue land is thinking about it either. WAS surprised at how much gun ownership there is on the blue side--way more than I would have thought. Expecting some of that to be due to fear of rioters getting out of control, some to coronavirus uncertainty, and some to being an 'anti-milita'.

In any case, I have only one area where I disagree with the figures laid out. The author is counting on all repub gun owners to be on the President's side. But what about the RINO's in Congress, and those who keep voting them in? Is it really accurate to expect those who vote in RINO's to not be RINO's on this point? Inviting the board to weigh in on my contention here.
Thank you, Millwright, for posting this very informative article. Once again, TB is giving me info that won't come to the general public for at least 4-6 weeks...
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Trump had better have the public behind him if he pulls these stunts. And that will take some public education so the citizenry knows the basis for the actions he is taking.

Better get cracking. Not much time left to explain a course of action never done before in this here country.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Trump had better have the public behind him if he pulls these stunts. And that will take some public education so the citizenry knows the basis for the actions he is taking.

Better get cracking. Not much time left to explain a course of action never done before in this here country.
A balance between education and too much tipping his hand. This could be the 4D chess everyone keeps talking about.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
A balance between education and too much tipping his hand. This could be the 4D chess everyone keeps talking about.

Several people have complained about Powell and Giuliani talking too much to the press, but I think that they are trying to do the education part. They have to get word out so people know what's going on, or at least those people who don't depend solely on the MSM for their information.

Kathleen
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
The author is counting on all repub gun owners to be on the President's side. But what about the RINO's in Congress, and those who keep voting them in? Is it really accurate to expect those who vote in RINO's to not be RINO's on this point?
Why can't Dim electoral fraud ever be done to favor selected RINOs? God knows Romney has been worth at least three officially declared Democrat senators to the other side.
 

psychrn

Senior Member
In any case, I have only one area where I disagree with the figures laid out. The author is counting on all repub gun owners to be on the President's side. But what about the RINO's in Congress, and those who keep voting them in? Is it really accurate to expect those who vote in RINO's to not be RINO's on this point? Inviting the board to weigh in on my contention here.
Thank you, Millwright, for posting this very informative article. Once again, TB is giving me info that won't come to the general public for at least 4-6 weeks...
I don't think one necessarily follows the other. Politicians lie by their nature, and many were fronting as strong repubs until they got there and then many of them changed; then, with incumbency, they kept getting back in. And for Pres, what other options have there been, except an odd Perot or Ron Paul? Holding our collective noses and voting for Romney or McCain didn't make us Rinos; the alternative is what we are staring at now...Marxist Scum who want to eliminate or control us.
 

ArisenCarcass

Veteran Member
WAS surprised at how much gun ownership there is on the blue side--way more than I would have thought. Expecting some of that to be due to fear of rioters getting out of control, some to coronavirus uncertainty, and some to being an 'anti-milita'.

The types of guns are at issue as well.
Dims are less likely to have arms that are employable in a meaningful military sense.
Mostly ill-kept handguns and shotguns with practically no ammo on hand.
The skillset isn't there either.....just watch some of the BLM/AntiFags/NFAC training videos (or the H2H fighting videos, lol).

note: I am not discounting the future danger of the Left, just their present air of ability.
God made men, Sam Colt made them equal.......guns are the great equalizer, but training helps.
Training is easy for the willing and committed soldier.


Most Leftists that I have interacted with state that they won't own a weapon (of whatever type, usually more effective ones) because they can't control themselves, and imagine that they will have a bad day and just go kill people.
They then elaborate that position to everyone, as if everyone is as damaged as they are.

And therein is the crux of the issue: the Demaged are trying to institute their "caring" nanny-state policies against the Normies.
If PDJT can intimate that CWII is about pushing the insanity back, about making sure that whole, sane, normal people can remain free, then I think that 700,000 is an insanely low number for the militia he could call up.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
I've voted for RINO's at times, because the alternative -- the only alternative given to us -- was to vote for a Democrat. Never, ever, has the Democrat been a better candidate than the RINO, however bad the RINO may have been.

However, there have been much better Republican candidates offered up to the primaries. Unfortunately, thanks to meddling and intervention by the media, none of those better candidates ever won the primaries. I'm thinking right now of the 2000 elections, which was the first time I noticed the media meddling (though now I know it had already been going on for a long time). Bush was by far NOT the best candidate in the line-up, but he was the one the media was pushing, and so he won the primaries. I voted for Alan Keyes in the primary election that year -- I just looked him up, wondered if he was dead or something, because I've heard absolutely nothing about him in many years, and to my surprise, he's been stumping for Trump. I wouldn't mind seeing him back on the major public stage. But in 2000, the press gave him no time whatsoever, and he only got a small percentage of the vote. Never mind that he was black, and could have been our first black president; he wasn't a leftie, so they wouldn't support him.

We can't let the MSM be the only source of information in this country. And they need to stop being an arm of the left-wing globalists, or lose their licenses to broadcast. Or at the very least -- freedom of speech and all that -- they need to own up to what they really are and stop deceiving people into thinking that they are honest and unbiased.

Kathleen

 

bw

Fringe Ranger
they need to stop being an arm of the left-wing globalists, or lose their licenses to broadcast. Or at the very least -- freedom of speech and all that -- they need to own up to what they really are and stop deceiving people into thinking that they are honest and unbiased.

That's how liberals see information. I'm willing to leave the fake media alone, and let the market sort it out. Conservative media are rising lately, so the signs are good.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Psychrn, ArisenCarcass and Freeholder, thanks for your inputs on my question; all cause for some more optimism on my part and that the numbers of the OP are more likely as a result.
 

Warthog

Black Out
You know what the leftists intend to do to Trump followers if Biden gets in as they have made that clear. If we are under threat you know that they will go after Trump, his family and his businesses ruthlessly if he is deposed from office.
In the business i was involved in, if someone tells you they're going to take you out, then you better believe it!!
 

Oreally

Right from the start
From what I hear

Ummm, no
ok.

once trump is out of office all the accouterments of the office dissolve.

now he is in the nexus of control of the most powerful organization mankind has ever created. once out of office he is just another rich guy, but now with a hell of a of enemies.

he has to act by jan 10 at the latest, IMHO.
 
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