The Left is Sooo Outta Touch

RC

Inactive
And we're not even sophisticated enough to be able to ignore contradictions:

Some New Yorkers, like Meredith Hackett, a 25-year-old barmaid in Brooklyn, said they didn't even know any people who had voted for President Bush. (In both Manhattan and the Bronx, Mr. Bush received 16.7 percent of the vote.) . . . . .

"We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Sheesh- I sure hope none of those folks ever NEEDS anything from us obtuse, uncultured, unsuccessful, shoot-from-the-hip rednecks.

You know.. like food?

Oh, nevermind. They can get that from the neighborhood grocery store. Or import it from Europe, where they have so much excess agricultural land.

Talk about poor losers.

Summerthyme
 

Dean Miller

Archaic Member
Yikes.

I lived in the Boston area 40 years ago, and they weren't THAT isolated at the time. To me, it looks as if they haven't learned anything in the ensuing 40 years.
 

Carlos

Inactive
How could you explain to a Ms Camhe that Janet Jackson's tit probably cost Kerry more votes than did the Swift Boat Vets?
 

Charlie

Membership Revoked
Carlos said:
How could you explain to a Ms Camhe that Janet Jackson's tit probably cost Kerry more votes than did the Swift Boat Vets?
:lol: Never thought of that before.....but you are VERY correct. Nuff is nuff! :lol:
 

Slydersan

Contributing Member
What is possibly the greatest irony is that if "us hicks" voted for Kerry, then we would be cultured, intellectual, worldly people...

LOL

I think I'd rather have biscuits and gravy for breakfast and drive my pickup! :eleph:
 

bw3

Inactive
What amazes me is that none are asking the proper question-"Why did we run a flaming, liberal, left wing, flip-flopping asshole against a vulnerable President?" All they had to do was get a halfway normal candidate with a personality and they had it in the bag! Someday they will learn that most Americans are not ready for socialism, and they might get votes from more than the super libs.

:lol: :shk: :lol: :shk: :lol: :shk: :lol: :shk:

BW3
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"We need to bring our way of life, which is honoring diversity and having compassion for people with different lifestyles, on a trip around the country."

How about starting by honoring American diversity, by recognizing that the rest of the country doesn't want to be NYC? These people have no clue about how obnoxious they sound.
 

FireDance

Has No Life - Lives on TB
summerthyme said:
Sheesh- I sure hope none of those folks ever NEEDS anything from us obtuse, uncultured, unsuccessful, shoot-from-the-hip rednecks.

You know.. like food?

Oh, nevermind. They can get that from the neighborhood grocery store. Or import it from Europe, where they have so much excess agricultural land.

Talk about poor losers.

Summerthyme
Ain't THAT the truth! I can tell you that I've never met more biased and prejuduced people than those folks I've met in NY. My relatives (father's side) are from there and buddy they can tell you right fast about (fill in the blank) people. Thought that all people from the south lived in clapboard houses until they came down and saw that most of us were in brick homes. They need to get out just a bit more and figure out that ole Red down the road has a damned good head on his shoulders. He just doesn't feel the need to brag about his... I think that they're really the rednecks dressed in fine linen. Need to get out just a bit more and check it out. Maybe they think Europe is fiiine, but I see nothing fine about it myself. Don't see anything fine about NYC or LA either. Take a peek under your skirts there boys and girls.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Veteran Member
Hubris... Why didn't they have an inspiring vision and plans. JFK was a visionary.
FDR was, although in a harmful direction. I listened to NPR for the last 2-3 days.
They had folks calling in...who mischaracterized red state voters and Christians. They have so successfully demonized middle America that they have no clue who we are.
 

Slydersan

Contributing Member
The democrats could win in a Huge Reagan-like landslide...simply by running a Conservative Southern democrat, running on a platform of family values and strong defense. But since that party has been hijacked by the ultra-liberals that will never happen for at least 20 years.

They think that they have to screech louder and swing even more to the left..... :shr:
 

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
"If the heartland feels so alienated from us, then it behooves us to wrap our arms around the heartland," she said. "We need to bring our way of life, which is honoring diversity and having compassion for people with different lifestyles, on a trip around the country."


Oh, SPARE ME your "sophistication". :rolleyes:


You know, after reading that puke piece on how New Yorkers look down on the rest of Americans, I really wonder if I'll be upset if they get hit again.
 
[POL] A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/04/nyregion/04york.html?ei=5090&en=4320fe069a36fa08&ex=1257224400&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=all

<b>A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America</b>

By JOSEPH BERGER

Published: November 4, 2004

Striking a characteristic New York pose near Lincoln Center yesterday, Beverly Camhe clutched three morning newspapers to her chest while balancing a large latte and talked about how disconsolate she was to realize that not only had her candidate, John Kerry, lost but that she and her city were so out of step with the rest of the country.

"Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."

Like Ms. Camhe, a film producer, three of every four voters in New York City gave Mr. Kerry their vote, a starkly different choice from the rest of the nation. So they awoke yesterday with something of a woozy existential hangover and had to confront once again how much of a 51st State they are, different in their sensibilities, lifestyles and polyglot texture from most of America. The election seemed to reverse the perspective of the famous Saul Steinberg cartoon, with much of the land mass of America now in the foreground and New York a tiny, distant and irrelevant dot.

Some New Yorkers, like Meredith Hackett, a 25-year-old barmaid in Brooklyn, said they didn't even know any people who had voted for President Bush. (In both Manhattan and the Bronx, Mr. Bush received 16.7 percent of the vote.) Others spoke of a feeling of isolation from their fellow Americans, a sense that perhaps Middle America doesn't care as much about New York and its animating concerns as it seemed to in the weeks immediately after the attack on the World Trade Center.

"Everybody seems to hate us these days," said Zito Joseph, a 63-year-old retired psychiatrist. "None of the people who are likely to be hit by a terrorist attack voted for Bush. But the heartland people seemed to be saying, 'We're not affected by it if there would be another terrorist attack.' "

City residents talked about this chasm between outlooks with characteristic New York bluntness.

Dr. Joseph, a bearded, broad-shouldered man with silken gray hair, was sharing coffee and cigarettes with his fellow dog walker, Roberta Kimmel Cohn, at an outdoor table outside the hole-in-the-wall Breadsoul Cafe near Lincoln Center. The site was almost a cliché corner of cosmopolitan Manhattan, with a newsstand next door selling French and Italian newspapers and, a bit farther down, the Lincoln Plaza theater showing foreign movies.

"I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland."

"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."

"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."

Dr. Joseph acknowledged that such attitudes could feed into the perception that New Yorkers are cultural elitists, but he didn't apologize for it.

"People who are more competitive and proficient at what they do tend to gravitate toward cities," he said.

Like those in the rest of the country, New Yorkers stayed up late watching the results, and some went to bed with a glimmer of hope that Mr. Kerry might yet find victory in some fortuitous combination of battleground states. But they awoke to reality. Some politically conscious children were disheartened - or sleepy - enough to ask parents if they could stay home. But even grownups were unnerved.

"To paraphrase our current president, I'm in shock and awe," said Keithe Sales, a 58-year-old former publishing administrator walking a dog near Central Park. He said he and friends shared a feeling of "disempowerment" as a result of the country's choice of President Bush. "There is a feeling of 'What do I have to do to get this man out of office?'''

In downtown Brooklyn, J. J. Murphy, 34, a teacher, said that Mr. Kerry's loss underscored the geographic divide between the Northeast and the rest of the country. He harked back to Reconstruction to help explain his point.

"One thing Clinton and Gore had going for them was they were from the South," he said. "There's a lot of resentment toward the Northeast carpetbagger stereotype, and Kerry fit right in to that."

Mr. Murphy said he understood why Mr. Bush appealed to Southerners in a way that he did not appeal to New Yorkers.

"Even though Bush isn't one of them - he's a son of privilege - he comes off as just a good old boy," Mr. Murphy said.

Pondering the disparity, Bret Adams, a 33-year-old computer network administrator in Rego Park, Queens, said, "I think a lot of the country sees New York as a wild and crazy place, where these things like the war protests happen."

Ms. Camhe, the film producer, frequents Elaine's restaurant with friends and spends many mornings on a bench in Central Park talking politics with homeless people with whom she's become acquainted. She spent part of Tuesday knocking on doors in Pennsylvania to rustle up Kerry votes then returned to Manhattan to attend an election-night party thrown by Miramax's chairman, Harvey Weinstein, at The Palm. Ms. Camhe was also up much of the night talking to a son in California who was depressed at the election results.

When it became clear yesterday morning that the outlook for a Kerry squeaker was a mirage, she was unable to eat breakfast. Her doorman on Central Park West gave her a consoling hug. Then a friend buying coffee along with her said she had just heard a report on television that Mr. Kerry had conceded and tears welled in Ms. Camhe's eyes.

Ms. Camhe explained the habits and beliefs of those dwelling in the heartland like an anthropologist.

"What's different about New York City is it tends to bring people together and so we can't ignore each others' dreams and values and it creates a much more inclusive consciousness," she said. "When you're in a more isolated environment, you're more susceptible to some ideology that's imposed on you."

As an example, Ms. Camhe offered the different attitudes New Yorkers may have about social issues like gay marriage.

"We live in this marvelous diversity where we actually have gay neighbors," she said. "They're not some vilified unknown. They're our neighbors."

But she said that a dichotomy of outlooks was bad for the country.

"If the heartland feels so alienated from us, then it behooves us to wrap our arms around the heartland," she said. "We need to bring our way of life, which is honoring diversity and having compassion for people with different lifestyles, on a trip around the country."

Michael Brick and Brian McDonald contributed reporting for this article.
 

booger

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"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.
:rolleyes:

"New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."
:rolleyes:

"If the heartland feels so alienated from us, then it behooves us to wrap our arms around the heartland," she said. "We need to bring our way of life, which is honoring diversity and having compassion for people with different lifestyles, on a trip around the country."
:kk2:

No words of reply, just a general feeling of nausea.
 

Phil Ca

Veteran Member
There are really some very nice people in NYC. I have met a few. But the reality is that the vast mjority are total DGI's and believe that the world rotates around them on thier little island.

You know how to spot a true New Yorker? They usually have pale skin from the lack of sunlight and they do not usually have a driver's license. :lol: Or in some cases know how to drive a car.
 

Jumpy Frog

Browncoat sympathizer
If they in NYC, NJ, LA, SF and SeaTac would form their own country the rest of us would be better off without the whole Metrosexual thing. :kk1:
 

north runner

Inactive
If nyc would just secede and become a separate entity a lot of upstate nyerkers would be very happy.

When traveling we never say we're from Ny because everyone assumes 'the city'.
 

LC

Veteran Member
What has struck me about this all reports of how many (not all, so please don't flame, it's too early, no caffeine yet) Kerry supporters are so very emotional about his loss as if the world has come to an end and they don't know if the sun will still come up or is they can go on with life. It seems they cannot comprehend life with Bush as president. After surviving 8 years of gagging at teflon man I think that most likely they will. Caveat: of course the SH could HTF but one man or the other as Pres probably wouldn't change that.

LC

Edited to add: hey, I made 100. Didn't know I had gotten that far. :spns:
 

Ruckmanite

Veteran Member
Sell it to the French

"Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."

I propose letting that sorry hunk of rock be sold to the French. They can enjoy the 50% French taxes, socialist government, military :D :D :D , and fine "sophistication" they seem to think Europe has.

Sad to say, looking back at 911, and the tremendous outpouring of $$$ and love towards that city from the "heartland hicks" I find their attitude towards the rest of the country amazing.

....obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland." :kk2:

I can say that those ragheads picked the most deserving city. Let them join the French.
 

bluwillo

Contributing Member
"If the heartland feels so alienated from us, then it behooves us to wrap our arms around the heartland," she said. "We need to bring our way of life, which is honoring diversity and having compassion for people with different lifestyles, on a trip around the country."


Red states to the blue states: "Yo! CAN YOU HEAR US NOW??
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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"An island off the coast of Europe". Hmmmm... could that be arranged officially? Upstate NY (and that starts about 10 miles west of Manhattan!) has been wanting to secede from the Rotten Apple for years.

Summerthyme
 

cooter

cantankerous old coot
welll goooood,,,,,,

He said he and friends shared a feeling of "disempowerment"

good!


tired of those in the blue zone,,with thier king sheet attitude,,,,

thing that has me as small as the dang blue zone is,,it behoofs me of the number of electorial votes they have,,,quite frankly there needs to be a way to thin those numbers down,,so the vocal minority cant have thier way allll the time like have had,,,

and quite frankly too,,,,hope they all stay in thier damned blue zone,,cause us rural types have had enough of the yuppie big city types moving in around here,, :kk1:
 

phoenix7of7

Deceased
" ... They think that they have to screech louder and swing even more to the left..... "

Which is exactly what I hope they do. In fact; I'm going to encourage them in that direction.
 

housemouse

Membership Revoked
Here in rural Western NY, a county that voted for Bush, every summer "THEY" come rolling in from the cultured centers of the big cities, including the big "apple".

They are rude, arrogant, and insensitive, and loud, as if they think we are all hard of hearing or retarded. They treat local shopkeepers like dirt, shove ahead in supermarket checkout lines, fail to exhibit any driving manners, and think that because we live in "the country", that we ought to be happy to work for less than minimum wage.

I just do not understand how they can confuse an amoral life style with "culture".

Near the summer vacation spot they favor in our county, we have to be careful about letting our kids, both male and female, go into certain public bathrooms alone, if you get my drift. But, they assume superiority, even though most of our barnyard animals have better manners.
 
Well, speaking from the other side, the 49% who did not vote for Bush, I find it a painful situation when I plow through the oceans of hate and gloat going on here and elsewhere. I am offended by the radio talk shows that are hammering away with vitriolic statements.It is frightening to read and hear this going on in MY country. How different is this than the beginnings of the Wahabies". "Think as I think, behave as I behaver or you are dead meat?"
Is this the country you want to live in and an administration you want to support?
Witch hunts maybe, or some more sophisticated version of it like the Patriot Act?
I object to the simplicity of lumping all 49% as knuckle dragging liberals. It is for me, the manipulations of those that are so arrogant to think that study and contemplation of issues cannot be tolerated---instead, appeal to the lowest denominator, the people of the black and white world, which uses discrimination as a hero's banner. Taking a hit at New York as though they deserved what they got is just plain discusting. Face the survivors and those who fought to save them with that kind of statement.
Down at the criminal level the general belief is "what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine." I see little difference between that attitude and BEHAVIOR between the commoon criminal and the current administrations behavior--on the whole. They and their followers, like us, are really shades of multicolored beliefs and behaviors.
The teen-age snarl and discounting of others is more than I can bear no matteer where is originates, within the 52% or 49%.

Edited for the most obvious errors of spelling.
 

Swampthing

Membership Revoked
When a terrorist attack happens in a Red state the Blue states will scream "SEE YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR BUSH!!!"

There won't be the outpouring of support for the victims,money, or love.

Disproportionally our children joined the armed forces to avenge 9/11.
 

Slydersan

Contributing Member
window2watcher said:
Well, speaking from the other side, the 49% who did not vote for Bush, I find it a painful situation when I plow through the oceans of hate and gloat going on here and elsewhere. I am offended by the radio talk shows that are hammering away with vitriolic statements.It is frightening to read and hear this going on in MY country. How different is this than the beginnings of the Wahabies". "Think as I think, behave as I behaver or you are dead meat?"
Is this the country you want to live in and an administration you want to support?
Witch hunts maybe, or some more sophisticated version of it like the Patriot Act?
I object to the simplicity of lumping all 49% as knuckle dragging liberals. It is for me, the manipulations of those that are so arrogant to think that study and contemplation of issues cannot be tolerated---instead, appeal to the lowest denominator, the people of the black and white world, which uses discrimination as a hero's banner. Taking a hit at New York as though they deserved what they got is just plain discusting. Face the survivors and those who fought to save them with that kind of statement.
Down at the criminal level the general belief is "what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine." I see little difference between that attitude and BEHAVIOR between the commoon criminal and the current administrations behavior--on the whole. They and their followers, like us, are really shades of multicolored beliefs and behaviors.
The teen-age snarl and discounting of others is more than I can bear no matteer where is originates, within the 52% or 49%.

Edited for the most obvious errors of spelling.

OH PULEEZE - You guys did the EXACT same thing when wonder-Boy Clinton won. You thought it validated all of your liberal, high-brow, we're more sophisticated and therefore more important- tendencies. So now you know how it feels. Get on with life and fighter harder for what you believe in like we did - or whine and cry - your choice.

And your views on NYC are just plain sad - We, the heartland, sent MILLIONS of dollars in aid, and thousands of volunteers to help NYC after 9-11, and look at the thanks we get - getting called a bunch of stupid, inbred, plowboy, hicks for voting our conscience. So you tell me who got stabbed in the back!!!

:mad:

[edited because i'm on a rant] And I object "to the simplicity of lumping all" 52% of people who voted for bush as dumb farmers - most people contrary to the liberal view of things have never even Smelled a farm - let alone lived on one. Farmers are dumb hick - fine try eating your concrete and buses - cuz maybe one day we will be too dumb and forget to send you food.
 

snowmiser

Veteran Member
Slydersan said:
I think I'd rather have biscuits and gravy for breakfast and drive my pickup! :eleph:
i love this place. :ussm:

Slydersan said:
The democrats could win in a Huge Reagan-like landslide...simply by running a Conservative Southern democrat, running on a platform of family values and strong defense. But since that party has been hijacked by the ultra-liberals that will never happen for at least 20 years.
ding ding ding ding ding! you win the prize! i don't know about the 20 years.... i'm hopeful they'll come to their senses before then. but i think you're dead on with that statement.
 

housemouse

Membership Revoked
window2watcher said:
Well, speaking from the other side, the 49% who did not vote for Bush, I find it a painful situation when I plow through the oceans of hate and gloat going on here and elsewhere. I am offended by the radio talk shows that are hammering away with vitriolic statements.It is frightening to read and hear this going on in MY country.
Excuse me, window... but where have you been? Have we "reds" not had to listen to endless hate coming from "libs" throughout this entire campaign? Vitriol? I have never in my entire 60 years heard such vitriol as that from the left since the election of 2000.

Honestly, how does calling the Bush voters, and the Bush administration "witch hunters", "the beginnings of Wahabies", "criminals", teen-age snarlers" etc. not classify as hate and vitriol?

The left continually dishes it out, and when defeated at the ballot box, screams like "gut-shot panthers" when the middle stands up and says "no more".

I could go on and on about the rights of the middle that the left has trampled on, but I doubt it would do any good. You just don't get it.
 

A.T.Hagan

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There goes that middle thing again.

The middle did not stand up very much.

One candidate got 51%, the other got 48%, and the collective whole of the third parties got about 1%. The Republicans won by a mere 2%.

Now, the middle is where in all of that?

NEITHER candidate represented the middle very much at all or the margin would have been well over 60%.

Both sides have discovered they can vote themselves largess from the treasury and are doing so as fast as they can.

This whole "one side doesn't understand the other side" is a crock.

Meanwhile, the presses keep right on rolling printing out money backed by... nothing... with no thought given to the day when the debt cannot any longer be supported.

Which will leave ALL of us where?

In the middle.

.....Alan.
 

fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
Slydersan said:
The democrats could win in a Huge Reagan-like landslide...simply by running a Conservative Southern democrat, running on a platform of family values and strong defense. But since that party has been hijacked by the ultra-liberals that will never happen for at least 20 years.

They think that they have to screech louder and swing even more to the left..... :shr:
But what you're describing is a Republican. I don't think Zell Miller would have gotten the Democratic nomination.
 

Synap

Deceased
WOW! 59,417,400 "rednecks" and only 8 million NYC'ers. Yup, I can see why they're de-pressed.

"We need to bring our way of life, which is honoring diversity and having compassion for people with different lifestyles, on a trip around the country."
 

Gadsden

Contributing Member
Liberalism

It seems to me that liberalism has turned increasingly into a social status more than an ideology. It used to be a worldview held together by consistent logic and policy prescriptions. Today, liberalism is a set of knee-jerk beliefs mainly bound by the psychological need to identify with the 'in crowd' or the 'intelligentsia'. Liberals think of themselves primarily as 'openminded' or 'tolerant' as opposed to the knuckle dragging primitive Christians who carry guns (gasp) in their pickup trucks (gasp) and (gasp) want to democratize the Middle East in reaction to 911. To the extent that the left stands for anything at all (it is largely nihilistic), it is to oppose whatever the traditional positition happens to be, usually reflexively. In this way liberals seal their identification with being other than 'those people'. Understanding modern liberalism is easy: Whatever Middle America is, liberals are not. This is very different than earlier in the 20th century, when liberalism was largely populist. Of course, they are hypocritical. I have heard liberals make statements like "I just can't support those intolerant redneck right wing religous freaks. I am too tolerant for that." They've moved into the realm of self parody.

Until the American left drops the elitism and the haughtiness, it will never advance. Plain folks will never vote for candidates who look down on them.
 
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