Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
Who?
BRKG SecDef Fired
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A friend who was a college history major said about the same to me. The implication is that Trump is unstable. Lame duck acting out. Doubt it, but we can part ways over that. Don’t care all that much. If I am the crazy, then let it be. Trump sees something steps ahead. Get ready for it.
Who?
You. Mikiekimi.
I think anyone that didn't toe the line 100% is in the cross hairs. Seems like a frustration firing to me.
Have you ever taken ORDERS (other than at a drive-thru) from anyone APPOINTED OVER YOU, sworn an oath to do that? Or anything even remotely like that?
You. Mikiekimi.
I think anyone that didn't toe the line 100% is in the cross hairs. Seems like a frustration firing to me.
Have you ever taken ORDERS (other than at a drive-thru) from anyone APPOINTED OVER YOU, sworn an oath to do that? Or anything even remotely like that?
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
1992 - 2012
Sacajawea
Has No Life - Lives on TB
First, Nancy - the election isn't over yet; the states haven't certified nor the electoral college convened. A bit presumptious are we, talking about transition already? Oh that's right - this is your favorite tactic - accusing Trump of something that hasn't happened to date and then forcing him into that situation. I believe that's a psychotic level of manipulation right there.
Secondly,
I know it can get a whole lot WORSE than it currently is, but it's pretty down & dirty already.
Secondly,
I know it can get a whole lot WORSE than it currently is, but it's pretty down & dirty already.
155 arty
Veteran Member
What is the meaning of your question?
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
How about you? Military service? Quid Pro Quo, Dr. Lecter...
Looks Harmless
Bite Me
You really Don't pay attention. ROFL!
A career civil serpent after seven years of academic and state level government work, Department of the Army sillyvillian, came in at Fort Rucker, AL and retired out of Ft, Bragg, NC. Spent half my career teaching psyop, civil affairs and Special Forces soldiers how to do open source intelligence and helping with unclassified operational research/mission prep as a reference librarian with a low level security clearance. Started in the early 1980s, retired for health reasons in 2004.
So, you know what orders are, and what happens to subordinates who will not follow them. And you think Trump is "frustrated."
I suppose that could be one word for it ...
So, you know what orders are, and what happens to subordinates who will not follow them. And you think Trump is "frustrated."
I suppose that could be one word for it ...
et2
TB Fanatic
What a load of crap. He would have been doing that for the last 4 years if that was the case.
And you know that. But yet ... you bring a liberal perspective ... and we all know that.
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
Taken and given many an order...was well-versed in the intricacies of the UCMJ. Had a couple of gigs where I routinely worked a SCIF with ISR assets...ever hear of the SOFWOC? Worked it...among other things as I bounced between a few career fields and a special duty. 20 years active duty was enough for me.A career civil serpent after seven years of academic and state level government work, Department of the Army sillyvillian, came in at Fort Rucker, AL and retired out of Ft, Bragg, NC. Spent half my career teaching psyop, civil affairs and Special Forces soldiers how to do open source intelligence and helping with unclassified operational research/mission prep as a reference librarian with a low level security clearance. Started in the early 1980s, retired for health reasons in 2004.
So, you know what orders are, and what happens to subordinates who will not follow them. And you think Trump is "frustrated."
I suppose that could be one word for it ...
Back to Esper...I would assume that if it was purely based on performance, he would have been fired sooner. It was a quick kill for POTUS that probably had a lot to do with the IA and Esper saying he would not support it.
You also cannot tell me that he's not frustrated with everything going on right now. Esper's firing probably felt righteous...
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
Dissmissals or resignations? His staff has turned over faster than that of a Chick Fil A for the past 4 years.
Spicer, The Mooch, Priebus, Kelly, Mulvaney, Vought, Walsh, Nielsen, Carroll, Fuentes, Hagin, Dearborn, Bock, Bannon, Bolton etc, etc...
I'd continue, but it seems like there are a hundred of them...
Oh, and that's a 'classical liberal' perspective...
et2
TB Fanatic
So were they out ”Frustration” or rightly let go? Just as the sec of def. You have more twists than a horror story. Deflect ... project ... and sow discord ... you work right out of the commie handbook.
I think you’re here for a reason.
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
They're SR now (Special Recon)...and the finest bunch of smart-asses in the Special Tactics world...No, I did all I could to stay completely UNCLASS, I only filled out an SF-86 because they told me they would fire me if I didn't
One of my baby cousins is looking at a weather warrior job at JSOC currently ...
INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
If we are honest with ourselves and value truth - we cannot argue with that. It is worth noting.
After all, Trump did say:
So either Trump is not the best judge of character or he's been lied to since day one by all of the above, which then brings into question his delegation skills at least as far as civil governance is concerned.
Trump's biggest advantage was no national level government experience. It was also his biggest disadvantage. He has had to learn on the job and that has cost him and us. It was my impression he had never developed a staff based skillset, and that too has caused a lot of issues over things that should have been handled much more smoothly. IMO the biggest name left off that list above was Chris Christie, who headed up the transition team for a while and wasted a lot of valuable time. I started jumping up and down over the Plum Book early on, but apparently Donut Boy never heard of it. Now Christie is one of those calling for DJT to 'move on quietly.'
Trump is his own worst enemy...
Trump is his own worst enemy...
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
Could not agree more...
BTW, tell your cousin to get his hair product game right for AF SpecOps. At least he's not going PJ...those are the sexy ones...SR are the smart ones...and CCTs are...well, they just are.
INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
This is true - and also he is apparently far too trusting - given all the subterfuge from those he placed his trust.
2dollarbill
Veteran Member
I agree and it is a sad state of affairs that hoping that all your party members aren't looking out for each others best interests.
Traitors and turncoats. Steal from their own grandmothers.
2db
The Cub
Behold, I am coming soon.
The dishonorable CFR. New World Order, Globalist, traitor, Esper should have been fired in a demonstrably way…..including without limitation: Stripping him of all rank and benefits, now or in the future…..for gross and flagrant insubordination.
Now……….It is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that the President can invoke the Insurgency Act UNILATERALLY. He certainly doe NOT need the approval of any subordinate, chump.
The Insurgency Act has been invoked by several Presidents during the last several decades. With respect to the insurgency of the Democrat Anarchists aka BLM and ANTIFA during most of 2020, Trump had EVERY RIGHT AND NEED TO INVOKE THE ACT.
Now, how do you expect the emotional Democrat Anarchists are going to act during the next few days/weeks as the battle ground States are flipped back to Trump where they belong……and Joe Dementia Biden is sent packing back to his basement?
and how do you think Trump is going to respond? (Hint: Esper is irrelevant now that the election is over, and further he is completely out of the way.)
Defense Secretary Mark Esper opposes Trump on use of military in riots
By Steven Nelson
June 3, 2020
Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Wednesday he opposes the use of the military to quell violence in US cities, a stance that runs counter to President Trump’s vow to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 in states with uncontrolled looting.
Esper also said at a morning press conference he was unaware that he was joining Trump on Monday for what the Pentagon chief called a “photo op” at a church damaged by fire during protests against the killing of George Floyd by Minnesota police.
“I say this not only as secretary of defense, but also as a former soldier, and a former member of the National Guard: The option to use active-duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort, and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now. I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act,” Esper said.
Defense Secretary Mark Esper opposes Trump on use of military in riots
Pentagon disarms guardsmen in D.C., in signal of de-escalation
Paul Sonne, Fenit Nirappil and Josh Dawsey, The Washington Post
Published 5:52 pm CDT, Friday, June 5, 2020
Pentagon disarms guardsmen in D.C., in signal of de-escalation
Pentagon Orders Remaining Active-Duty Troops to Leave DC
By Reuters
June 05, 2020 02:31 PM
Pentagon Orders Remaining Active-Duty Troops to Leave DC
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
The fired SecDef sealed his fate when he said he wouldn't support the insurrection act. He's been dead man walking since then. Considering the probability of parties in the streets post election it just made his firing timely.
And he was terminated-not given the chance to resign. Might as well branded him with a scarlet letter in the DC swamp-no contractor, no think tank, nobody in the beltway govt. business will hire him.
And he was terminated-not given the chance to resign. Might as well branded him with a scarlet letter in the DC swamp-no contractor, no think tank, nobody in the beltway govt. business will hire him.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
A quote from one of Taylor Caldwell's books keeps presenting itself to me:
A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.
A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.
INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
It can survive a Grifter and wannabe tyrant like Clinton and Obama.
But what it cannot survive, are the millions of fools who vote to make them their ruler.
Worthless tares
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
In addition to refusing to utilize the insurrection act, he was also supposedly assisting the Biden transition team. What a piece of sh*t!
Standby for the sh*tstorm to get started in earnest
Which makes one wonder how many of those haunting 3rd floor in the puzzle palace are helping the communists too. Most of the JCS I'm wanting to say are Osama era appointees.
The upper levels of the US military might be suspect in that respect as well.
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
The way DC works he'll have an * next to his name indicating Trump fired him. He'll be alright...
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Why do ya THINK Donny picked a guy who understood ALL FORMS of warfare??
He's going to be waging an interesting war, which will generate textbooks for decades.
He's going to be waging an interesting war, which will generate textbooks for decades.
AlfaMan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I doubt it. Word on the street is he's persona non grata.
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
Same here...I'm horrible in the water. If SR doesn't pan out there's always TACP...they are embedded with the Army and the swimming is minimal. The rucks get pretty gnarly with all the gear and batteries though. Not unheard of to hump a 150lb ruck.
And the Army is absolutely infatuated with walking everywhere...
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
Then there must be more to his story...as entrenched as he was in the defense industry you figure he'd be okay.
Which makes one wonder how many of those haunting 3rd floor in the puzzle palace are helping the communists too. Most of the JCS I'm wanting to say are Osama era appointees.
The upper levels of the US military might be suspect in that respect as well.
ONE MORE TIME - PLUM BOOK.
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GPO Releases Plum Book
Washington –The U.S. Government Publishing Office (GPO) has made the United States Policy and Supporting Positions, or the “The Plum Book”, available in print, online and as an app. The publication lists more than 9,000 Federal civil service leadership and support positions in the executive and legislative branches that may be subject to noncompetitive appointment. First introduced in 2012, The Plum Book app allows users to view the publication in an easy to use mobile format and search the publication by agency, position title, location, appointment type, pay plan and level, tenure and term expiration, and vacancy.
Print copies will be available in GPO’s Bookstore at 10 a.m. on December 5th and the online version will be on GPO’s govinfo. GPO’s Bookstore is located at 710 North Capitol Street, NW in Washington, DC.
Link to Online Bookstore: United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions, December 1, 2016 (Plum Book)
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The Plum Book is published by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs alternately after each Presidential election. The Plum Book is used to identify Presidential appointed and other positions within the Federal Government. The list originated in 1952 during the Eisenhower administration. For 22 years prior, the Democrats controlled the Federal Government. When President Eisenhower took office, the Republican Party requested a list of government positions that President Eisenhower could fill. The next edition of The Plum Book appeared in 1960 and has since been published every four years, just after the Presidential election.
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The upper levels of the US military might be suspect in that respect as well.
ONE MORE TIME - PLUM BOOK.
GPO Releases Plum Book
www.gpo.gov
GPO Releases Plum Book
Washington –The U.S. Government Publishing Office (GPO) has made the United States Policy and Supporting Positions, or the “The Plum Book”, available in print, online and as an app. The publication lists more than 9,000 Federal civil service leadership and support positions in the executive and legislative branches that may be subject to noncompetitive appointment. First introduced in 2012, The Plum Book app allows users to view the publication in an easy to use mobile format and search the publication by agency, position title, location, appointment type, pay plan and level, tenure and term expiration, and vacancy.
Print copies will be available in GPO’s Bookstore at 10 a.m. on December 5th and the online version will be on GPO’s govinfo. GPO’s Bookstore is located at 710 North Capitol Street, NW in Washington, DC.
Link to Online Bookstore: United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions, December 1, 2016 (Plum Book)
Link to govinfo: www.govinfo.gov
Link to the Plum Book app: United States Government Policy and Supporting Positions (Plum Book) | govinfo
The Plum Book is published by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs alternately after each Presidential election. The Plum Book is used to identify Presidential appointed and other positions within the Federal Government. The list originated in 1952 during the Eisenhower administration. For 22 years prior, the Democrats controlled the Federal Government. When President Eisenhower took office, the Republican Party requested a list of government positions that President Eisenhower could fill. The next edition of The Plum Book appeared in 1960 and has since been published every four years, just after the Presidential election.
GPO is the Federal Government's official, digital, secure resource for producing, procuring, cataloging, indexing, authenticating, disseminating, and preserving the official information products of the U.S. Government. The GPO is responsible for the production and distribution of information products and services for all three branches of the Federal Government, including U.S. passports for the Department of State as well as the official publications of Congress, the White House, and other Federal agencies in digital and print formats. GPO provides for permanent public access to Federal Government information at no charge through www.govinfo.gov, partnerships with approximately 1,150 libraries nationwide participating in the Federal Depository Library Program, and our secure online bookstore. For more information, please visit www.gpo.gov.
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