ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Abert

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Chuck Callesto
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BREAKING NOW: ⚠️ French forces arrive in Odessa, Ukraine..

MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT..
View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1782189971501138363
Let me start with this caveat — If the following report is true, the war in Ukraine has entered a new realm of danger.

This is insane. Macron is ignoring history and playing a dangerous game of Russian Roulette. Only all of the chambers of the revolver are loaded. Many of these French soldiers will die or fall wounded. And for what?

I think the Russians will warn the French quietly through back channels that they see this action as a direct attack on Russia and will take all necessary means to defend themselves. If there was any doubt that Macron is not a serious person, this decision should erase them completely.
 

Abert

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View: https://youtu.be/HtFwWB8cv1I?si=dKwEd_vsKnOnKsh_

7:14 minutes

Considering how the Russians are putting older and older versions of their tanks back into service, perhaps the StuG lII is also needed?
Not likely needed - Russia is doing just fine - even managing to get some nice War Trophies
Like this German Leopard 2 - Wonder Weapon - soon to be a Russian museum piece.
Well on the positive side - Ukraine can now claim their Tanks did in fact make it to Red Square.
German Leopard Tank being transported by Russians.
Is there a nice spot for it in front of the German Embassy in Moscow?
 

Tex88

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Pro-Kremlin Texan Russell Bentley, who fought for Russia, found dead in Ukraine​

The missing American who’d traveled to Ukraine years ago to aid Russian separatists in Donbas was found dead in the country’s war-torn eastern region.

The body of Russell Bentley, a 64-year-old U.S. Army vet, was recovered in the Russian-controlled region of Donetsk Oblast, Reuters reported.

Between 2014 and 2017, Bentley — a self-proclaimed communist from Austin, Texas — fought alongside pro-Russian separatists in Ukraine.

American Russell Bentley, dressed in a camouflage uniform and sunglasses, smiles while posing in a field in Ukraine, holding a long gun.
Bentley never returned to the states after going to Ukraine in 2014.
American Russell Bentley posing in Ukraine, where he knelt in the snow with a long gun in his hands while wearing camoflauge clothing.
American Russell Bentley, seen posing in Ukraine, went to the country to fight alongside Russian separatists in 2014.

Russell Bentley, dressed in shorts and a t-shirt, poses in front of a billboard in Ukraine.
Bentley, originally from Austin, earned his Russian citizenship and even took a bride.
He had not taken part in the fighting since the full-scale invasion in February 2022.

The former pothead, who used “Texas” as his military call-sign, left behind a yoga instructor girlfriend to travel to Ukraine.

He utilized crowdfunding sites to finance his trip, and had since become a Russian citizen.

He also got married after moving to Ukraine, where he began working as a reporter for the state-owned Sputnik news agency.

Margarita Simonyan, head of Russia’s state media outlet RT, confirmed Bentley’s death Friday, noting he had been “fighting there for our guys.”

Simonyan did not disclose how Bentley died.

Russell Bentley poses with two mannequins dressed in traditional Russian clothing.
It is still unclear how Bentley was killed.
Russell Bentley poses with a gun in front of a bed covered with a leopard-patterned spread.
The reformed pothead was a self-described communist

Conflicting reports suggest Bentley was abducted by Russian soldiers and killed, possibly because they thought he was an American spy.

On social media, unsubstantiated claims circulated saying Bentley was raped prior to his murder, and was either shot eight times in the head or decapitated.

Bentley is said to have vanished while helping the victims of a Ukrainian strike on Donetsk.

Two years ago, Bentley was profiled in a Rolling Stone article titled “The Bizarre Story of How a Hardcore Texas Leftist Became a Frontline Putin Propagandist.”

Russell Bentley with a Russian military official.
Some unconfirmed reports suggest he was decapitated.
For years, Bentley operated a YouTube channel that was banned in 2022.

Referring to himself as “The Donbas Cowboy,” he shared his views on the ongoing fighting between Russian-backed separatists and the Ukrainian military.
 

mistaken1

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Yes - the US today is NOT the US of the 1940's. We have a GDP now based on Services and Finance no longer hard manufacturing - making goods. And as noted it is very unlikely we have a trained population to restart industrial manufacturing. YET the US keeps talking of war with China which does have an industrial manufacturing base.
Just consider ship building which requires the full range of industrial manufacturing skills and workforce. The same skills needed for military production. Iron and Steel workers vs Internet Influencers

China produces more cargo ships than all the countries in the world combined, while the US industry produces less than 1% of the total number worldwide, reports Foreign Policy

Over the past year, Beijing showed a 12% increase in shipbuilding. The magazine believes that China's goal is to build supply chains that are resistant to possible Western sanctions, since 80% of global trade is carried out by sea.

Western economies will find it difficult to respond to China's dominance in shipbuilding because their shipyards compete with each other and cannot achieve the concentration of resources that China has, Foreign Policy believes.

Don't feel bad for the US, they outproduce everyone when it comes to the number of genders

Come on man, the USSA will turn loose gender fluid influencers by the thousands, china does not stand a chance. After reading all of the memes and the screeds and the circular 'news' articles the chinese army will collapse in total chaos much the same way the russians have.
 

Tex88

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Let me start with this caveat — If the following report is true, the war in Ukraine has entered a new realm of danger.

This is insane. Macron is ignoring history and playing a dangerous game of Russian Roulette. Only all of the chambers of the revolver are loaded. Many of these French soldiers will die or fall wounded. And for what?

I think the Russians will warn the French quietly through back channels that they see this action as a direct attack on Russia and will take all necessary means to defend themselves. If there was any doubt that Macron is not a serious person, this decision should erase them completely.
It’s complete garbage and nonsense made up by kremlin propagandists to rile you up.
 

CaryC

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A couple of articles over at Zerohedge that most here already know or suspect, but may want to read:


The entire headline didn't make it, so it ends with Zelensky to stop stealing.

Reportedly 400 million just last year.

 

Abert

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Latest from James Howard Kunstler on the so called Ukrainian Bill
Link
(you need to fill in the ****) https://kunstler.com/cluster****-nation/the-bad-faith-olympics/

Did it warm your heart to see all those blue and yellow Ukrainian flags waved by our elected officials in Congress Saturday night with the passage of the $60-plus-billion aid bill to the Palookaville of Europe? You realize, don’t you, that the tiny fraction of that hypothetical “money” — from our country’s empty treasury — that ever reaches Ukraine will rebound on the instant into Mr. Zelensky’s Cayman Islands bank account. The rest of the dough enters the recursive shell-game between US weapons-makers and the very hometown folks in Congress waving those blue and yellow flags, who will receive great greasy gobs of fresh “campaign donations” from the grateful bomb and missile producers. No wonder they’re cheering.

What the $60-plus-billion won’t do is provide any fresh arms and equipment to Ukraine’s sad-sack army soon enough to prevent Russia from bringing this cruel, stupid, and unnecessary war, which we started, to a close. Yes, we started it, not Russia, in 2014 with our Intel blob overthrowing elected President Viktor Yanukovych in the so-called “Maidan Revolution of Dignity” (what Wikipedia calls it). And for what reason? To jam Ukraine into NATO as a prelude to “weakening” Russia sufficient to bust it up and gain control over Russian oil, ores, and grain.

Yes, that was actually the neocon’s game, equal parts megalomania and hubris, a fiasco as strategically ill-fated as Hitler’s push to gain control of Russia’s oil fields via Stalingrad in 1942-3. With failure and humiliation looming in Ukraine, the blob’s objective for now, in theory, is the vain hope of prolonging the hostilities just long enough to get its hologram president, “Joe Biden” re-elected, so that said blob can continue its amoebic digestion of what’s left uneaten by it in our sore-beset republic. You’ve got to wonder, of course, what this blob thinks will remain to rule over when it’s done gobbling up everything and jailing everyone from sea to shining sea who objects.

You tell me what conceivable way Ukraine can prevail in this proxy war now without just tripping off the civilization-ending nuke exchange? America does not have enough tactical missiles and artillery shells at hand to send over there. What we did have is gone. NATO never had much to begin with. Ukraine has run out of available cannon-fodder to conscript from its dwindling population. Despite Mr. Macron’s recent bluster, NATO can’t raise a credible army, or even agree on which country would send what. Nobody is riding to the rescue. Instead, Russia is fortifying its home-grown armaments industry and its military while systematically turning off the electricity all over Ukraine by blowing up the power stations. Very soon, Ukraine will be reduced to medieval living conditions — no lights, no phones, no Internet, no shopping, no ability to conduct modern warfare. End. . . of. . . story.

This is apt to play out much faster than America’s blob-controlled news media will be able to lie about. I’d guess it can be functionally over before mid-summer. The result will be yet another humiliation on the “Joe Biden” scorecard. When it’s over, you can be sure the Russians will abstain from an end-zone dance so as not to provoke America’s genius-losers into some final petty grand act of requital. Russia will just soberly declare what is self-evident: that for centuries Ukraine has been in its sphere-of-influence, as Mexico is in ours, and that they have reestablished the natural order of things in that corner of the world.

After that, America and the rest of Western Civ can get on with the collapse of their financial system and very likely a period of profound political and economic chaos in which governments fall, nations change boundaries and shapes, and their populations suffer dramatically from an imploded standard of living. That process may actually play out somewhat slower than the end of the Ukraine war over the coming years. It will look like a combined game of musical chairs and hot potato, with the opportunities to get a seat steadily fading, and the losers left holding things they can’t handle.


In the meantime, our country — remember it, the USA, when it had its once-enviable mojo working? — is busy being insane and finding sixty ways to Sunday to commit suicide. How do you suppose the Democratic Party will actually pretend to put up “Joe Biden” for re-election when the Ukraine failure is completed? Answer: they can’t. This dumbshow of the old gaffer hiding at his beach house and avoiding direct engagement with reality is also drawing to a close. Instead of calling “a lid” on “JB’s” activities, some humid morning in the swamp his handlers will call in “a medical alert” instead, and that will be the last we see of that dreadful apparition.

It’s also looking more and more as though the Republican Party faces its own civil war, especially after Speaker Mike Johnson’s perplexing flipperooski on the Ukraine aid vote. You recall, just weeks ago he said no dice to such a deal without a stop to the invasion coming across our Mexican border. Then, the intel blob boys lured him into a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility) where they showed him . . . something. . . ! Everyone’s dying to know what. A secret signed agreement making Ukraine our 51st State? Photographs of Mike engaged in unwholesome recreations with Gawd knows who or what? Or did they just have a little talk with him about how stuff is supposed to work? Whatever it was has made Mike Johnson untenable in his position. And he has explained nothing. He’s got to go.

At the other end of all that stands — or, rather, sits at a defense table — Donald Trump, the seemingly inevitable leader of a party seeking to cough him up like a hairball stuck in its craw. And yet, every week that passes, the various lawfare traps set up to snare him look more amateurish and gauche — while the Golden Golem of Greatness somehow manages to power through all that adversity. A big faction of the party he leads is in on that nefarious game. The wild card is the increasingly inflamed mood of the American people, in whose name the game is supposedly being played. With absolutely everyone lying to them about everything, it’s turned into some kind of bad faith olympics.
 

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US Passes $61 Billion Ukraine Spending Bill But Lacks Arms/Ammunition to Send in Sufficient Amounts​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VpZO2fbumk

Run time - 52:46
Apr 21, 2024

Update on the conflict in Ukraine for April 22, 2024…

- US passes $61 billion spending bill for Ukraine but lack sufficient weapons and ammunition to sustain Ukrainian forces on the battlefield;

- Ukraine faces critical shortages of artillery shells and air defense interceptors that the US and Europe are unable to produce in sufficient quantities;

- Western media admits Ukraine faces defeat;

References:

Guardian - US House approves $61bn in military aid for Ukraine after months of stalling (April 20, 2024): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...

CFR - How Much Aid Has the U.S. Sent Ukraine? Here Are Six Charts (February 2024): https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-...

US DoD - Statement on the House Passage of the National Security Supplemental (April 20, 2024): https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases...

Politico - Ukraine is heading for defeat (April 17, 2024): https://www.politico.eu/article/why-u...

BBC - Ukraine could face defeat in 2024. Here's how that might look (April 13, 2024): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...

Business Insider - Russia's army is now 15% bigger than when it invaded Ukraine, says US general (April 11, 2024): https://www.businessinsider.com/russi...

BBC - Russia's meat grinder soldiers - 50,000 confirmed dead (April 18, 2024): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68819853

Kyiv Independent - Air Force: Ukraine downs Russian Tu-22M3 bomber for first time (April 19, 2024): https://kyivindependent.com/air-force...

Forbes - Slovenia Is Giving Ukraine Some Very Old Tanks. But Age Can Be Deceiving (September 2022): https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe...

Forbes - The Russians Are Making Their First New Tank Turbines In 30 Years, Likely Signaling A Very Long War (September 2023): https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe...

Reuters - US to sell to Ukraine $138 million in HAWK air defense upgrades (April 9, 2024): https://www.reuters.com/world/us-sell...

Al Jazeera - Saudi Arabia may run out of interceptor missiles in ‘months’ (January 2022): https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1...

Defense News - How Patriot proved itself in Ukraine and secured a fresh future (April 9, 2024): https://www.defensenews.com/land/2024...

Kyiv Independent - NYT: US faces missile supply shortage for Ukraine's Patriot air defense systems (January 2024): https://kyivindependent.com/nyt-offic...

Politico - Pentagon prepares to send artillery, air defenses to Ukraine as House approaches vote (April 19, 2024): https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04...

BBC - Ukraine weapons: What arms are being supplied and why are there shortages? (April 19, 2024): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...

Kyiv Independent - Czech PM: Allies contract first 180,000 artillery shells for Ukraine (April 16, 2024): https://kyivindependent.com/czech-pm-...

Ukrinform - Still not enough funds for Czech initiative to buy shells for Ukraine – Estonia's defense minister (March 2024): https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/...
 

Housecarl

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So "War Powers Act"?..........

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Housecarl

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Up the flag poll a bit late perhaps?......

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Europe—but Not NATO—Should Send Troops to Ukraine​

To Halt Russia’s Advance, Kyiv Needs More Boots on the Ground​

By Alex Crowther, Jahara Matisek, and Phillips P. O’Brien

April 22, 2024

A taboo has been broken in Europe. Only a few months ago, it would have been inconceivable for European leaders to propose sending European troops to Ukraine. But on February 26, French President Emmanuel Macron said the deployment of European forces to Ukraine could not be “ruled out.” Since then, other European officials have joined the chorus; the Finnish defense minister and Polish foreign minister have both suggested that their countries’ forces could end up in Ukraine. These comments, combined with existing support for such measures in the Baltic states, show that there is a growing bloc of countries open to direct European intervention in the war.

These explosive comments are driven by shifting conflict dynamics. The debate in the U.S. Congress over sending military aid to Ukraine has been a debacle. A new aid package is finally on track for approval, but the months of dithering in Washington have dismayed Europeans and given Moscow hope that Western resolve to support Kyiv is cracking. Russian forces—bolstered by equipment from China, Iran, and North Korea—have taken advantage of the gap in U.S. military support for Ukraine by stepping up their attacks on civilians and nonmilitary infrastructure. In early April, knowing that Ukraine was running short of antiaircraft ammunition, Russia launched a missile attack that destroyed the largest power plant in the Kyiv region. Earlier, in March, Russian forces targeted a hydroelectric dam in Dnipro and other electrical facilities around Kherson, undermining Ukrainian industry and making the country’s economy more dependent on the European electrical grid. Further damage to critical infrastructure, nuclear power plants, and agricultural land will dramatically raise the costs of reconstruction, for which Ukraine’s partners in the West will likely have to foot much of the bill.

As Russian forces speed up their advance, the possibility that they could break through Ukrainian defenses along the eastern front and challenge Ukrainian control of Kharkiv or even Kyiv presents Europe with a security threat it cannot ignore. A Russian victory in Ukraine would vindicate President Vladimir Putin’s revisionist ambitions and belief in the inherent weakness of the West. It would enable the Kremlin to keep Russia on a war footing—an all-of-society approach to conquest that European countries would be unable to match. There is no reason to expect Putin to stop with Ukraine. He has called the breakup of the Soviet Union “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe” of the twentieth century, lamenting that “tens of millions of our co-citizens and compatriots found themselves outside Russian territory.” The Baltic states are in danger, as is Poland: last year, the former Russian prime minister and Putin loyalist Dmitri Medvedev described the Baltics as “our” (meaning Russian) provinces and Poland as “temporarily occupied” (meaning by NATO).

By threatening to send troops, European countries are trying to disrupt this worrying trajectory. To truly change the outcome in Ukraine, however, European countries must do more than simply talk about deployments. If the United States continues to delay aid, and especially if it elects Donald Trump (who has pledged to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours, presumably by allowing Putin to keep his ill-gotten gains) as president in November, Europe will be Ukraine’s only defender. European leaders cannot afford to let American political dysfunction dictate European security. They must seriously contemplate deploying troops to Ukraine to provide logistical support and training, to protect Ukraine’s borders and critical infrastructure, or even to defend Ukrainian cities. They must make it clear to Russia that Europe is willing to protect Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty. Accepting the dire reality of the situation in Ukraine and addressing it now is better than leaving a door open for Russia to accelerate its imperial advance.

CHANGE THE CONVERSATION​

The idea of European troops deploying to Ukraine has elicited predictable objections. The Kremlin was outraged by Macron and others’ recent statements warning of war—possibly a nuclear one—with all of Europe. Washington and Berlin also responded angrily. Both Germany and the United States have strictly limited the aid they gave Ukraine throughout the war, agonizing that Russia might make good on its threats of escalation, and they sharply criticized the more hawkish European states for what they see as unnecessary provocation.

Such opposition does not lessen the benefits that European forces would provide in Ukraine, and the fact that Berlin, Moscow, and Washington all reacted so strongly shows why it is so important to have this discussion. European leaders have demonstrated that it is possible to break out of a one-sided escalation debate that, until how, has worked to Russia’s advantage. In the previous pattern, Moscow has threatened escalation, and Berlin and Washington have responded with words and actions aimed at de-escalation—a dynamic that deters both Germany and the United States from sending the more advanced missile systems that Ukraine desperately needs. Now, Europe is making the threats, and Russia is looking deeply uncomfortable.

Too many politicians and pundits in the United States and Europe echo Putin’s own talking points by warning that any kind of external intervention in Ukraine would lead to World War III. In reality, sending European troops would be a normal response to a conflict of this kind. Russia’s invasion disrupted the regional balance of power, and Europe has a vital interest in seeing the imbalance corrected. The obvious way to do this is to provide a lifeline to a Ukrainian military that could once again be left high and dry by the United States, and the best lifeline would be European soldiers. Unless the politics in the United States change, Ukraine will need alternate sources of assistance to keep its fight going—and Europe is the natural backer.

SEND IN THE TROOPS​

European forces could undertake either noncombat or combat operations to relieve some of the pressure on Ukraine. A strictly noncombat mission would be easiest to sell in most European capitals. European forces could relieve the Ukrainians performing logistics functions, such as maintaining and repairing combat vehicles. By staying west of the Dnieper River—a natural barrier protecting much of Ukraine from Russian advances—European forces would demonstrate that they are not there to kill Russian soldiers, preempting the inevitable Russian accusation of European aggression. Some Ukrainian vehicles are already being sent to Germany, Poland, and Romania for substantial repairs, but conducting this task closer to the front would speed up the process, reduce the time equipment is out of combat, and free up more Ukrainian forces for combat duties. French, Polish, and other European military advisers could also provide lethal and nonlethal training within Ukraine to further professionalize the country’s military. If additional mobilization expands the Ukrainian military in the coming year—which seems likely—increased capacity to train new recruits inside Ukraine will be particularly useful.

Of course, European forces could do more than repair and train. The most limited form of European combat missions could still remain west of the Dnieper River and be defensive in nature. One such mission could involve strengthening Ukraine’s air defense capabilities in this region by deploying personnel, providing equipment, or even taking over command and control of the Ukrainian air defense system. The risks of escalation would be minimal, as European forces would have little chance of killing the Russian military pilots who launch munitions into Ukraine from Belarusian and Russian airspace. But they would help shoot down cruise missiles and drones. In doing so, European-led air defense batteries would free up more Ukrainian troops to protect forces near the frontlines while also frustrating Russian attempts to destroy critical infrastructure and terrify the Ukrainian population into surrender. European forces could perform other defensive and humanitarian tasks, too, such as demining and defusing unexploded Russian ordinance. Taking over such work from Ukrainian personnel would help protect civilians and support Ukraine’s economic recovery, as farmers are now struggling to plant and harvest crops in fields full of mines and other unexploded munitions.



Sending European troops would be a normal response to a conflict of this kind.
Another combat role—which, like an air defense mission, would likely not engage Russian forces—would involve patrolling parts of the Ukrainian border where Russian troops are not deployed, such as the Black Sea coast and the borders with Belarus and Transnistria (a breakaway region in Moldova occupied by Russian forces). Guarding these flanks would free up more than 20,000 Ukrainian troops (and the weapons and ammunition they carry) to fight on the frontlines. It would also reduce the likelihood of a new front opening along these borders, as Russia would almost certainly seek to avoid broadening the war by attacking other European militaries. European forces could also help secure Ukraine’s three remaining Black Sea ports, which are vital to both the Ukrainian economy and global food security, relieving additional Ukrainian soldiers. Any kind of European operation in Ukraine would carry emotional weight as well. The presence of European troops would raise the morale of the Ukrainian people and reassure them that their country’s future is in Europe.

Finally, Europe needs to consider a direct combat mission that helps protect Ukrainian territory west of the Dnieper. In addition to reducing the burden of the Ukrainian military in these regions, the presence of European troops would make it unlikely that Russian forces would advance across the river, protecting much of Ukraine from conquest. One potential Russian target is Odessa, Ukraine’s main port where most of the country’s exports are shipped. If Russian troops were to approach the city, European forces in the vicinity would have the right to defend themselves by firing on the advancing soldiers. They could help thwart a Russian offensive that, given Odessa’s strategic position, could strangle the Ukrainian economy and position Russian forces for a potential invasion of Moldova. Moscow would try to spin any lethal response to a Russian attack as European aggression, but Russia would be responsible for any escalation.

PUTIN ON THE BACK FOOT​

The risk that deploying European soldiers to Ukraine in any capacity will escalate the conflict is overblown. Russia has precious little room to scale up its conventional attacks, short of deploying biological or chemical weapons. It has already lost more than 90 percent of its prewar army, with hundreds of thousands of casualties, tens of thousands of combat vehicles destroyed, and the vast majority of its most advanced weapons systems expended in attacks on Ukraine. Sanctions have made Russian weapons production more difficult and costly, and the deployment of troops to Ukraine has left Russia with barely enough forces to guard the rest of its long border, let alone mount a significant operation against other European states. In January 2022, the Russian army was widely considered second only to the U.S. Army; today, it may not even be the most powerful army in Ukraine. But if European leaders were to let Russia win in Ukraine, Putin’s takeaway would be that making nuclear threats could allow him to conquer more countries without provoking a European military response.

The real question is whether Russia would actually use nuclear weapons if European forces enter Ukraine. Arguably, this is already a moot point, given that special operations forces from Western countries are currently operating inside Ukraine. Moscow regularly employs aggressive rhetoric toward NATO members, but so far it has been all bark and no bite, avoiding contact with NATO forces and focusing instead on neighboring countries outside the alliance, such as Georgia and Ukraine, that it can safely kick around. Putin threatened to attack Poland, Romania, and the Baltic states back in 2014, and over the next several years he threatened to invade Finland and Sweden for joining NATO, Norway for hosting additional U.S. troops, Poland and Romania for housing ballistic missile defense facilities, and “any European countries” that allowed U.S. missiles to be deployed on their soil. In the past decade and a half, the Kremlin has threatened or run war games that simulate the use of nuclear weapons against Denmark, Poland, Sweden, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, the Baltic states, the European Union as a whole, and, of course, NATO and the United States. At some point, European leaders must ignore Putin’s saber-rattling, which is merely propaganda premised on the baseless notion that NATO wants to attack or invade Russia.

The arrival of European forces in Ukraine would change Putin’s calculations.
Ultimately, Russia cannot afford to fight multiple European countries at once, much less start a nuclear war. Tellingly, the countries that are most likely to be targeted in a nuclear attack—those that border Russia, particularly Poland and the Baltic states—are the least concerned about that prospect but rightly fear the aggression of a reconstituted conventional Russian military, buoyed by success in Ukraine. Europe is far richer, is more technologically advanced, and has a much larger population than Russia. Moscow knows it cannot win by provoking the whole continent, and it seeks to avoid the U.S. military intervention that would very likely follow if Russian forces were to invade a NATO country and trigger Article 5 of the alliance’s charter.
Instead, Russia is basing its hopes for victory almost entirely on Europe treating Ukraine as separate from the rest of the continent. So far, its hopes have come to pass. European leaders have tolerated attacks on Ukraine that would have triggered a united European response had they happened in any NATO or EU member state. This attitude has allowed Russia to escalate its war in Ukraine, safe in the knowledge that the rest of Europe will keep its distance.
The arrival of European forces in Ukraine would change that calculation. Moscow would have to face the possibility that European escalation could make the war unwinnable for Russia. Moreover, a European-led response would subvert Russian propaganda that NATO countries’ intervention in Ukraine is merely an American ploy to undermine Russia. The narrative that NATO is the aggressor in this war is popular in many parts of the world, and countering it could help Europe further isolate Moscow both diplomatically and economically. And because European forces would be acting outside the NATO framework and NATO territory, any casualties would not trigger an Article 5 response and draw in the United States. Russia’s opponent would not be NATO but a coalition of European countries seeking to balance against naked Russian imperialism.
Ukraine is doing the best it can, but it needs help—help that European countries are able and increasingly willing to provide. Rather than force Russian escalation, a European troop presence would be more likely to prevent the conflict from spreading and prevent further damage to Ukraine’s economy and infrastructure. European leaders do not need to follow the dictates of an increasingly unreliable United States about how the battle in Ukraine should be waged; they can and should decide for themselves how best to ensure the continent’s freedom and security. Europe must do what it takes to safeguard its own future, and that starts with making sure Ukraine wins this war.

CORRECTION APPENDED (APRIL 22, 2024)​

An earlier version of this article incorrectly claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin had declared that all former Soviet republics should be returned to Russia.

  • ALEX CROWTHER is a Senior Fellow with the Transatlantic Defense and Security Program at the Center for European Policy Analysis and a retired U.S. Army Colonel.
  • JAHARA MATISEK is a Military Professor at the U.S. Naval War College, Research Fellow at the European Resilience Initiative Center, and a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Air Force. The views expressed here are his own.
  • PHILLIPS P. O’BRIEN is Head of the School of International Relations and Professor of Strategic Studies at the University of St. Andrews.
  • MORE BY ALEX CROWTHER
  • MORE BY JAHARA MATISEK
  • MORE BY PHILLIPS P. O’BRIEN
 

Abert

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This claim of the 101 being in Ukraine is only being put out by one "source" - Zero confirmation.
That is not to say that at some point the 101 will not be sent in - but just not now. When they were moved to the border 2 years ago - in an interview with the commanding officer as well as comments Biden made - they stated that they would be going in. The military always has a dozen plans in place - sending the 101 in is likely one of them. What the trigger would be is unknown. But they are not sitting across the border for no reason.
 

Housecarl

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Hummm.........

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Don't be fooled by China's claims of neutrality; Beijing is pushing for a Russian victory in Ukraine


by Charles Jay
Community (This content is not subject to review by Daily Kos staff prior to publication.)
Monday, April 22, 2024 at 2:36:55p PDT
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China officially claims to hold a neutral stance on the war in Ukraine, but it is actually pro-Russia. Beijing has refused to condemn the full-scale invasion of Ukraine and opposed sanctions against Russia, Instead, China has provided an economic lifeline for Russia and benefited financially by purchasing Russian oil at discounted prices.

Beijing floated yet another vaguely worded peace plan for Ukraine-Russia last week, But what China has been pushing for in its various peace proposals is for a cease-fire that would freeze the existing front lines and the lifting of economic sanctions against Russia. Ukraine has rejected any plan that doesn’t call for the withdrawal of Russian troops from the occupied territories.

There was lots of tea-leaf reading when Peking University Professor Feng Yujun, an expert on Russia, wrote an op-ed for The Economist published April 11, in which he cited various factors advantageous to Ukraine that “make Russia’s eventual defeat inevitable.”

Feng indicated that China and Russia have diverging visions of the future of global affairs. He wrote:

Shrewd observers note that China’s stance towards Russia has reverted from the “no limits” stance of early 2022, before the war, to the traditional principles of “non-alignment, non-confrontation and non-targeting of third parties.
But don’t be fooled into thinking that one professor’s op-ed piece reflects any policy shift by China’s government regarding Ukraine. Just two days before the op-ed was published, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov met with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing in what The Associated Press described as “a sign of mutual support and shared opposition to Western democracies amid Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.”

During the past week, we’ve had sobering assessments from retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark, Yale historian Timothy Snyder and Secretary of State Antony Blinken about how China sees its own interests linked to a Russian victory in Ukraine and how this alignment poses a threat to our democracy..

Clark, a former NATO supreme allied commander Europe, wrote a letter to President Joe Biden, published Thursday by the Atlantic Council, in which he described how the U.S. needs a new strategic approach fit for a new post-Cold War geopolitical era.

He said the U.S. needs to “face reality” about “an emerging, increasingly more closely aligned group of authoritarian powers deeply opposed to the US-led, rules-based international order.”

Clark wrote:

Russia—aligned with China, and now alongside Iran and supported by North Korea—is at the center of an effort to shatter American preeminence, redistribute global power, and divide up the world into spheres of influence. These powers are increasingly working together. As Chinese President Xi Jinping declared in bidding farewell to Russian President Vladimir Putin in March 2023, together they are driving “changes” that “we haven’t seen for one hundred years.” Those changes refer to unwinding the global order. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and China’s quest to take Taiwan are just two efforts among many by these actors that are aimed at reducing US influence and mitigating the laws, rules, and restrictions of the current international system.
Clark spoke about his memo to Biden in this interview aired Sunday night on MSNBC:

Snyder testified Wednesday at a hearing conducted by the House Oversight Committee on Chinese political warfare against the U.S.

Ahead of the hearing, he submitted a written statement in which he focused on how Chinese and Russian propaganda are working in tandem to undermine U.S. support for providing aid to Ukraine and spread disinformation about Biden to boost Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.

Snyder said that “the fundamental goal of Russian (and thus Chinese) propaganda is to prevent American action, thereby making America seem impotent and democracy pointless -- also in the eyes of Americans themselves.”

American failure in Ukraine will lead other powers to conclude that a feckless and divided United States will also fail to meet future challenges. The fundamental goal of Russian (and thus Chinese) propaganda is to prevent American action, thereby making America seem impotent and democracy pointless -- also in the eyes of Americans themselves.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine is intimately connected to a possible Chinese war of aggression against Taiwan. As Taiwanese leaders continually and urgently remind us, Ukrainian resistance deters Chinese aggression. Ukraine deters China in a way that the United States cannot, without taking any action that Beijing could interpret as provocative. A Russian victory in Ukraine, therefore, would clear the way for Chinese aggression in the Pacific.”
In his brief opening statement to the committee, Snyder provided specific examples of Russian propaganda picked up by China that ended up being echoed in Congress, including claims that Ukrainians are Nazis, Ukraine is corrupt, and the Biden bribe.

“Chinese political warfare includes praising members of this House who delay voting on Ukraine,” he said.

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The aid package approved by the House on Saturday includes $8.1 billion for Taiwan and to counter China in the Indo-Pacific. It also would potentially force the sale of TikTok, which is owned by a Chinese firm.

And there are growing concerns about Chinese firms providing Russia with dual-use materials and weapons components that are being used to reconstitute its defense industrial base that had been hurt by sanctions.

Earlier this month, Biden raised these concerns in a telephone conversation with Xi. And this week Blinken is heading to Beijing to discuss the issue.

“We're prepared to take steps when we believe necessary against firms that ... severely undermine security in both Ukraine and Europe," a State Department official said at a press briefing ahead of Blinken's trip. "We've demonstrated our willingness to do so regarding firms from a number of countries, not just China.”

Blinken, speaking to reporters Friday after a meeting of G7 foreign ministers in Capri, Italy, said China has not been providing lethal military weaponry to Russia as Iran and North Korea have been doing. That would have been a red line that might have resulted in sanctions against Beijing. that would have hurt China’s trade-dependent economy.

Blinken then said:

“But when it comes to Russia’s defense industrial base, the primary contributor in this moment to that is China. We see China sharing machine tools, semiconductors, other dual-use items that have helped Russia rebuild the defense industrial base that sanctions and export controls had done so much to degrade. Now, if China purports on the one hand to want good relations with Europe and other countries, it can’t on the other hand be fueling what is the biggest threat to European security since the end of the Cold War.”

In the meeting’s closing communique, the G7 foreign ministers demanded that China put a stop to this support of Russia “as it will only prolong this illegal war of aggression … and increase the threat that Russia poses to its neighbors.”
Earlier this month, the Biden administration revealed intelligence findings that showed there had been a surge in in sales by Chinese businesses to Russia of machine tools, microelectronics and other technology that are being used to produce weaponry for Russian forces in Ukraine, The Associated Press reported.
The AP wrote:
Two senior Biden administration officials, who discussed the sensitive findings on April 12 on the condition of anonymity, said that in 2023 about 90% of Russia’s microelectronics came from China, which Russia has used to make missiles, tanks and aircraft. Nearly 70% of Russia’s approximately $900 million in machine tool imports in the last quarter of 2023 came from China.
The officials said Chinese and Russian entities have been working to jointly produce drones inside Russia. Chinese firms have also been providing optical components for use in armored vehicles, engines that can be used in cruise missiles, and nitrocellulose which can be used in the manufacture of ammunition.
And all this has been going on while Ukraine has been struggling with weapon and ammunition shortages due to MAGA Republicans in the House, acting at Trump’s behest, to delay approval for months of Biden’s $61 billion aid package for Ukraine. The House finally approved the measure on Saturday and the Senate should pass it this week.
CNN reported:
“One of the most game changing moves available to us at this time to support Ukraine is to persuade the PRC (People’s Republic of China) to stop helping Russia reconstitute its military industrial base. Russia would struggle to sustain its war effort without PRC inputs,” said a senior administration official, adding that Chinese “materials are filling critical gaps in Russia’s defense production cycle.”
Just this week Gen. Chris Cavoli, the commander of US European Command, told lawmakers that Russia has been “quite successful” at reconstituting its military since it invaded Ukraine more than 2 years ago, and its capacity has largely “grown back” to what it was before the invasion. US officials are now making clear that China is largely responsible for that rapid build-up.



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Housecarl

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CHINESE [Mercenary] TROOPS NOW FIGHTING IN UKRAINE​

rt: 7:32

Newsweek had an article on this last month and I posted an article about a week or so ago about Indians being recruited for "security work" finding themselves on the lines.

The Newsweek article.............

Posted for fair use......

Chinese Mercenaries Spotted Fighting for Russia in Ukraine​

Published Mar 07, 2024 at 5:04 AM EST

By Isabel van Brugen
Reporter

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Chinese mercenaries are fighting for Russia in Ukraine, according to a video shared by a Russian military blogger on social media.

The footage, shared by Russian military correspondent Pavel Kukushkin on his Telegram channel, shows two men sitting opposite each other at a table, communicating in Russian and Chinese via a voice electronic translator.

"There is no language barrier! A volunteer from the People's Republic of China communicates with the commander of the Pyatnashka International Brigade using an online translator," wrote Kukushkin.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly been under increasing pressure to take a more aggressive approach to his war against Ukraine and introduce a full-scale mobilization in the country to bolster its manpower, and has for months been targeting citizens of Cuba, Armenia, and Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic bordering Russia, through various means.

Ukraine's military intelligence directorate (GUR) has claimed that Russia has recruited mercenaries from Syria to fight in Ukraine, while the Ukraine National Resistance Center, which is run by the Ukraine government's Special Operations Forces, said Malaysians have also been spotted fighting for Russia in the occupied Donetsk region.

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"The Chinese unit in the Pyatnashka brigade is growing. More and more [Chinese] are constantly arriving. Our Chinese brothers have also come to us," a Russian serviceman said in the video published by Kukushkin.

Newsweek couldn't independently verify when or where the video was filmed, and has contacted Russia's defense ministry for comment by email.

The video comes shortly after India said it was working to bring home some 20 of its citizens who say they were tricked into fighting for Russia on the front lines in Ukraine.

Some Indian citizens recruited by Russia told AFP that they were promised roles that wouldn't involved fighting on the front lines, but when they arrived in Russia, they were trained to use weapons including Kalashnikov assault rifles and deployed to Ukraine.

"We have got some of them out and are working on getting the rest out now," India's ministry of external affairs told the Financial Times on Tuesday.

Last fall, British intelligence assessed that Russia was recruiting soldiers in neighboring countries, while reports emerged that migrant workers with Russian citizenship were being rounded up to fight in Ukraine.

U.K. intelligence assessed at the time that Russia likely wished to avoid further unpopular domestic mobilization measures in the run-up to the 2024 presidential elections, taking place this month.

Konstantin Sonin, a Russian-born political economist from the University of Chicago, previously told Newsweek that Putin is likely deterred from announcing an open mass mobilization because the propaganda narrative that he and his entourage are pushing is that Russia is not waging a war but is conducting a limited-scale military operation.

"This is what he is fed in the army and police reports, and this is the language that he speaks to his subordinates and the general public. Announcing a mobilization in the open will be a drastic departure from this worldview, almost like bursting from an informational bubble," Sonin said.
 

jward

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| The UK is preparing a £500 million aid package for Ukraine, British PM Rishi Sunak announced.

The package is set to include more Storm Shadow long-range cruise missiles, 1,600 strike and air defense missiles, 400 vehicles (including Husky and over 160 other armored vehicles), as well as 60 boats.


 

3M22 Zircon: Debunking Misconceptions​


Simplicius
Apr 23, 2024



There has been a lot of talk about the Russian Zircon/Tsirkon missile recently, particularly in light of strikes on Kiev in late March that were said to have used it. Since then, there have been several high level efforts from experts to delve into the precise details of the missile’s operation and secretive characteristics.

But most of all, there has been a general effort from the Western commentariat to deprecate Russian hypersonic technology as relates to those weapons utilized during the conflict so far. Thus I wanted to do a little explainer in order to dispel some of the myths surrounding these weapons on both sides, and get down to the actual realistic properties we can expect to see.

I’ll be pulling some of the analysis from a relatively informative—albeit highly biased—thread on it from a pro-UA NAFO missile expert because he perfectly summarizes all the most common Western accusations and misconceptions about not only the Zircon but all Russian hypersonics in general. However, he mostly knows what he’s talking about to a degree, so some of his conclusions reached are relatively accurate and worth sharing if only because he and his team are the first I’ve seen to take a serious analytical look at the Zircon.

The Zircon missile is shrouded in mystery more than most other Russian objects in that not only does no one seem to even know what type of weapon it actually is, but what it even looks like. All the most popular renders on the internet are in fact likely wrong. The most common depicts it in line with the Boeing X-51 Waverider and the recognizable shape of a scramjet style hypersonic missile, like so:
X-51 Waverider:


“Mythical” version of Zircon:



In fact as you can see, it mostly appears to be a copy-pasted Waverider, virtually identical.

What, don’t we know what it looks like now that Russia has fired several of them, you ask? In fact, no: that’s part of the mystique I mentioned. The reason is that during launch videos, the Russian MOD actually went so far as to blur the missile precisely to keep people from knowing which propulsion type it uses, as that would give away the game.

Here are two rare closeups of a Zircon being launched:
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CaryC

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This claim of the 101 being in Ukraine is only being put out by one "source" - Zero confirmation.
That is not to say that at some point the 101 will not be sent in - but just not now. When they were moved to the border 2 years ago - in an interview with the commanding officer as well as comments Biden made - they stated that they would be going in. The military always has a dozen plans in place - sending the 101 in is likely one of them. What the trigger would be is unknown. But they are not sitting across the border for no reason.
I figure if that happens, the Biden Legacy will continue.

Which is: Send in troops, forget them, abandon them, and then give everything to the other side. Vietnam, Afghanistan, and now Niger.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
If this is true, then is it a major development.
Mercenaries have been in this war from the start. Ukraine openly advertise (and still does) for their International Legion

Best reports are that maybe up to some 30k joined - many NATO troops - Not in uniform.

As for the Russian side it is very likely China, NK and other have a number of troops - also not in uniform - in Ukraine.
It would be foolish for China to not to take advantage of the opportunity to get first hand knowledge on the effectiveness of NATO weapon systems and tactics - and counter measures. A few hundred / thousand of Chinese "mercenaries" would be expected.

What a Major Development would be is if 10's of thousand of Chinese troops - IN Uniform joined. The same on the Ukrainian side with now almost nonstop calls for EU troops IN Uniform to be sent into Ukraine.

From confirmed reports Russia is having no problem with enlistments running at around 40k a MONTH. There is no military need for outside troops. Not the same for Ukraine which is suffering a severe shortage having just lowered the draft age as well now attempting to force a return of men from Europe by not renewing their passports.

It is likely we could see additional National Troops get into this (on both sides) if it keeps expanding.
 

jward

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#BREAKING Britain will put defense industry into war footing, Prime Minister Sunak says.

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jward

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Russia has moved its Iskander-M tactical nuclear missile systems to the border with Finland.

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Walrus

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Up the flag poll a bit late perhaps?......

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Europe—but Not NATO—Should Send Troops to Ukraine​

To Halt Russia’s Advance, Kyiv Needs More Boots on the Ground​

By Alex Crowther, Jahara Matisek, and Phillips P. O’Brien

April 22, 2024

A taboo has been broken in Europe. Only a few months ago, it would have been inconceivable for European leaders to propose sending European troops to Ukraine. But on February 26, French President Emmanuel Macron said the deployment of European forces to Ukraine could not be “ruled out.” Since then, other European officials have joined the chorus; the Finnish defense minister and Polish foreign minister have both suggested that their countries’ forces could end up in Ukraine. These comments, combined with existing support for such measures in the Baltic states, show that there is a growing bloc of countries open to direct European intervention in the war.

These explosive comments are driven by shifting conflict dynamics. The debate in the U.S. Congress over sending military aid to Ukraine has been a debacle. A new aid package is finally on track for approval, but the months of dithering in Washington have dismayed Europeans and given Moscow hope that Western resolve to support Kyiv is cracking. Russian forces—bolstered by equipment from China, Iran, and North Korea—have taken advantage of the gap in U.S. military support for Ukraine by stepping up their attacks on civilians and nonmilitary infrastructure. In early April, knowing that Ukraine was running short of antiaircraft ammunition, Russia launched a missile attack that destroyed the largest power plant in the Kyiv region. Earlier, in March, Russian forces targeted a hydroelectric dam in Dnipro and other electrical facilities around Kherson, undermining Ukrainian industry and making the country’s economy more dependent on the European electrical grid. Further damage to critical infrastructure, nuclear power plants, and agricultural land will dramatically raise the costs of reconstruction, for which Ukraine’s partners in the West will likely have to foot much of the bill.

As Russian forces speed up their advance, the possibility that they could break through Ukrainian defenses along the eastern front and challenge Ukrainian control of Kharkiv or even Kyiv presents Europe with a security threat it cannot ignore. A Russian victory in Ukraine would vindicate President Vladimir Putin’s revisionist ambitions and belief in the inherent weakness of the West. It would enable the Kremlin to keep Russia on a war footing—an all-of-society approach to conquest that European countries would be unable to match. There is no reason to expect Putin to stop with Ukraine. He has called the breakup of the Soviet Union “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe” of the twentieth century, lamenting that “tens of millions of our co-citizens and compatriots found themselves outside Russian territory.” The Baltic states are in danger, as is Poland: last year, the former Russian prime minister and Putin loyalist Dmitri Medvedev described the Baltics as “our” (meaning Russian) provinces and Poland as “temporarily occupied” (meaning by NATO).

By threatening to send troops, European countries are trying to disrupt this worrying trajectory. To truly change the outcome in Ukraine, however, European countries must do more than simply talk about deployments. If the United States continues to delay aid, and especially if it elects Donald Trump (who has pledged to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours, presumably by allowing Putin to keep his ill-gotten gains) as president in November, Europe will be Ukraine’s only defender. European leaders cannot afford to let American political dysfunction dictate European security. They must seriously contemplate deploying troops to Ukraine to provide logistical support and training, to protect Ukraine’s borders and critical infrastructure, or even to defend Ukrainian cities. They must make it clear to Russia that Europe is willing to protect Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty. Accepting the dire reality of the situation in Ukraine and addressing it now is better than leaving a door open for Russia to accelerate its imperial advance.

CHANGE THE CONVERSATION​

The idea of European troops deploying to Ukraine has elicited predictable objections. The Kremlin was outraged by Macron and others’ recent statements warning of war—possibly a nuclear one—with all of Europe. Washington and Berlin also responded angrily. Both Germany and the United States have strictly limited the aid they gave Ukraine throughout the war, agonizing that Russia might make good on its threats of escalation, and they sharply criticized the more hawkish European states for what they see as unnecessary provocation.

Such opposition does not lessen the benefits that European forces would provide in Ukraine, and the fact that Berlin, Moscow, and Washington all reacted so strongly shows why it is so important to have this discussion. European leaders have demonstrated that it is possible to break out of a one-sided escalation debate that, until how, has worked to Russia’s advantage. In the previous pattern, Moscow has threatened escalation, and Berlin and Washington have responded with words and actions aimed at de-escalation—a dynamic that deters both Germany and the United States from sending the more advanced missile systems that Ukraine desperately needs. Now, Europe is making the threats, and Russia is looking deeply uncomfortable.

Too many politicians and pundits in the United States and Europe echo Putin’s own talking points by warning that any kind of external intervention in Ukraine would lead to World War III. In reality, sending European troops would be a normal response to a conflict of this kind. Russia’s invasion disrupted the regional balance of power, and Europe has a vital interest in seeing the imbalance corrected. The obvious way to do this is to provide a lifeline to a Ukrainian military that could once again be left high and dry by the United States, and the best lifeline would be European soldiers. Unless the politics in the United States change, Ukraine will need alternate sources of assistance to keep its fight going—and Europe is the natural backer.

SEND IN THE TROOPS​

European forces could undertake either noncombat or combat operations to relieve some of the pressure on Ukraine. A strictly noncombat mission would be easiest to sell in most European capitals. European forces could relieve the Ukrainians performing logistics functions, such as maintaining and repairing combat vehicles. By staying west of the Dnieper River—a natural barrier protecting much of Ukraine from Russian advances—European forces would demonstrate that they are not there to kill Russian soldiers, preempting the inevitable Russian accusation of European aggression. Some Ukrainian vehicles are already being sent to Germany, Poland, and Romania for substantial repairs, but conducting this task closer to the front would speed up the process, reduce the time equipment is out of combat, and free up more Ukrainian forces for combat duties. French, Polish, and other European military advisers could also provide lethal and nonlethal training within Ukraine to further professionalize the country’s military. If additional mobilization expands the Ukrainian military in the coming year—which seems likely—increased capacity to train new recruits inside Ukraine will be particularly useful.

Of course, European forces could do more than repair and train. The most limited form of European combat missions could still remain west of the Dnieper River and be defensive in nature. One such mission could involve strengthening Ukraine’s air defense capabilities in this region by deploying personnel, providing equipment, or even taking over command and control of the Ukrainian air defense system. The risks of escalation would be minimal, as European forces would have little chance of killing the Russian military pilots who launch munitions into Ukraine from Belarusian and Russian airspace. But they would help shoot down cruise missiles and drones. In doing so, European-led air defense batteries would free up more Ukrainian troops to protect forces near the frontlines while also frustrating Russian attempts to destroy critical infrastructure and terrify the Ukrainian population into surrender. European forces could perform other defensive and humanitarian tasks, too, such as demining and defusing unexploded Russian ordinance. Taking over such work from Ukrainian personnel would help protect civilians and support Ukraine’s economic recovery, as farmers are now struggling to plant and harvest crops in fields full of mines and other unexploded munitions.




Another combat role—which, like an air defense mission, would likely not engage Russian forces—would involve patrolling parts of the Ukrainian border where Russian troops are not deployed, such as the Black Sea coast and the borders with Belarus and Transnistria (a breakaway region in Moldova occupied by Russian forces). Guarding these flanks would free up more than 20,000 Ukrainian troops (and the weapons and ammunition they carry) to fight on the frontlines. It would also reduce the likelihood of a new front opening along these borders, as Russia would almost certainly seek to avoid broadening the war by attacking other European militaries. European forces could also help secure Ukraine’s three remaining Black Sea ports, which are vital to both the Ukrainian economy and global food security, relieving additional Ukrainian soldiers. Any kind of European operation in Ukraine would carry emotional weight as well. The presence of European troops would raise the morale of the Ukrainian people and reassure them that their country’s future is in Europe.

Finally, Europe needs to consider a direct combat mission that helps protect Ukrainian territory west of the Dnieper. In addition to reducing the burden of the Ukrainian military in these regions, the presence of European troops would make it unlikely that Russian forces would advance across the river, protecting much of Ukraine from conquest. One potential Russian target is Odessa, Ukraine’s main port where most of the country’s exports are shipped. If Russian troops were to approach the city, European forces in the vicinity would have the right to defend themselves by firing on the advancing soldiers. They could help thwart a Russian offensive that, given Odessa’s strategic position, could strangle the Ukrainian economy and position Russian forces for a potential invasion of Moldova. Moscow would try to spin any lethal response to a Russian attack as European aggression, but Russia would be responsible for any escalation.

PUTIN ON THE BACK FOOT​

The risk that deploying European soldiers to Ukraine in any capacity will escalate the conflict is overblown. Russia has precious little room to scale up its conventional attacks, short of deploying biological or chemical weapons. It has already lost more than 90 percent of its prewar army, with hundreds of thousands of casualties, tens of thousands of combat vehicles destroyed, and the vast majority of its most advanced weapons systems expended in attacks on Ukraine. Sanctions have made Russian weapons production more difficult and costly, and the deployment of troops to Ukraine has left Russia with barely enough forces to guard the rest of its long border, let alone mount a significant operation against other European states. In January 2022, the Russian army was widely considered second only to the U.S. Army; today, it may not even be the most powerful army in Ukraine. But if European leaders were to let Russia win in Ukraine, Putin’s takeaway would be that making nuclear threats could allow him to conquer more countries without provoking a European military response.

The real question is whether Russia would actually use nuclear weapons if European forces enter Ukraine. Arguably, this is already a moot point, given that special operations forces from Western countries are currently operating inside Ukraine. Moscow regularly employs aggressive rhetoric toward NATO members, but so far it has been all bark and no bite, avoiding contact with NATO forces and focusing instead on neighboring countries outside the alliance, such as Georgia and Ukraine, that it can safely kick around. Putin threatened to attack Poland, Romania, and the Baltic states back in 2014, and over the next several years he threatened to invade Finland and Sweden for joining NATO, Norway for hosting additional U.S. troops, Poland and Romania for housing ballistic missile defense facilities, and “any European countries” that allowed U.S. missiles to be deployed on their soil. In the past decade and a half, the Kremlin has threatened or run war games that simulate the use of nuclear weapons against Denmark, Poland, Sweden, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, the Baltic states, the European Union as a whole, and, of course, NATO and the United States. At some point, European leaders must ignore Putin’s saber-rattling, which is merely propaganda premised on the baseless notion that NATO wants to attack or invade Russia.


Ultimately, Russia cannot afford to fight multiple European countries at once, much less start a nuclear war. Tellingly, the countries that are most likely to be targeted in a nuclear attack—those that border Russia, particularly Poland and the Baltic states—are the least concerned about that prospect but rightly fear the aggression of a reconstituted conventional Russian military, buoyed by success in Ukraine. Europe is far richer, is more technologically advanced, and has a much larger population than Russia. Moscow knows it cannot win by provoking the whole continent, and it seeks to avoid the U.S. military intervention that would very likely follow if Russian forces were to invade a NATO country and trigger Article 5 of the alliance’s charter.
Instead, Russia is basing its hopes for victory almost entirely on Europe treating Ukraine as separate from the rest of the continent. So far, its hopes have come to pass. European leaders have tolerated attacks on Ukraine that would have triggered a united European response had they happened in any NATO or EU member state. This attitude has allowed Russia to escalate its war in Ukraine, safe in the knowledge that the rest of Europe will keep its distance.
The arrival of European forces in Ukraine would change that calculation. Moscow would have to face the possibility that European escalation could make the war unwinnable for Russia. Moreover, a European-led response would subvert Russian propaganda that NATO countries’ intervention in Ukraine is merely an American ploy to undermine Russia. The narrative that NATO is the aggressor in this war is popular in many parts of the world, and countering it could help Europe further isolate Moscow both diplomatically and economically. And because European forces would be acting outside the NATO framework and NATO territory, any casualties would not trigger an Article 5 response and draw in the United States. Russia’s opponent would not be NATO but a coalition of European countries seeking to balance against naked Russian imperialism.
Ukraine is doing the best it can, but it needs help—help that European countries are able and increasingly willing to provide. Rather than force Russian escalation, a European troop presence would be more likely to prevent the conflict from spreading and prevent further damage to Ukraine’s economy and infrastructure. European leaders do not need to follow the dictates of an increasingly unreliable United States about how the battle in Ukraine should be waged; they can and should decide for themselves how best to ensure the continent’s freedom and security. Europe must do what it takes to safeguard its own future, and that starts with making sure Ukraine wins this war.

CORRECTION APPENDED (APRIL 22, 2024)​

An earlier version of this article incorrectly claimed that Russian President Vladimir Putin had declared that all former Soviet republics should be returned to Russia.

  • ALEX CROWTHER is a Senior Fellow with the Transatlantic Defense and Security Program at the Center for European Policy Analysis and a retired U.S. Army Colonel.
  • JAHARA MATISEK is a Military Professor at the U.S. Naval War College, Research Fellow at the European Resilience Initiative Center, and a Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Air Force. The views expressed here are his own.
  • PHILLIPS P. O’BRIEN is Head of the School of International Relations and Professor of Strategic Studies at the University of St. Andrews.
  • MORE BY ALEX CROWTHER
  • MORE BY JAHARA MATISEK
  • MORE BY PHILLIPS P. O’BRIEN
We're beginning to observe sources popping up again which have long been debunked as to their veracity and the well-documented source of their information - sites like US Civil Defense, Terror Alarm, DEFCON and the globalist neocon rag named Foreign Affairs, whose lace-pantied intellectuals have absolutely zero knowledge other than intellectual suppositions. Silly things such as "the enemy gets a vote in our grand strategies" such as defensive moves, counter-punches and operational expertise don't seem to even enter into their realm of consideration.

Like Mike Tyson said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." That's exactly what needs to happen to these soi bois who think up this kind of foolishness. They need one of those cartoon boxing gloves on a remotely-triggered spring which knocks them backwards out of their chairs and out of their cubicles whenever this kind of trash shows up on their pieces.

For my own point of view and firm belief, western military forces have been operating in Ukraine for years, including America's. Don't even try to give me that line about whichever group of SOF soldiers are mercenaries, volunteers, advisors or trainers. They're in there fighting. period. They're assuredly running air defense systems, for one. The last count I heard is that we've lost somewhere in the 400-500 range of Americans but of course they were "mercenaries" when their deaths go public. And of course Biden doesn't have to go to Dover AFB and check his watch while the coffins are being unloaded. Hopefully they're receiving full military honors but I wouldn't guarantee it with this bunch of apes in command. All I can say is that they followed orders and deserve better.

As for the Frenchies, that big missile strike a while back killed about 70 of them at last count. No count on wounded but there were reports of ambulances flying back and forth between the barracks hotel and the hospitals all night long. Macron is showing himself to be a bigger idiot than Boris Johnson, Stoltenberg or Van der Leyhen.
 
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jward

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#BREAKING: Explosions, fire reported at oil depot in Smolensk, Russia.

#Smolensk | #Russia

There are reports of explosions in the Smolensk Oblast of Russia, as video shows a fire in the distance. The air defense was activated. The governor says it was as a result of an enemy attack from drones on civilian fuel and energy facilities in the Smolensk and Yartevso districts. There is no immediate word on casualties.
 

Walrus

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#BREAKING: Explosions, fire reported at oil depot in Smolensk, Russia.

#Smolensk | #Russia

There are reports of explosions in the Smolensk Oblast of Russia, as video shows a fire in the distance. The air defense was activated. The governor says it was as a result of an enemy attack from drones on civilian fuel and energy facilities in the Smolensk and Yartevso districts. There is no immediate word on casualties.
The Rooskies may as well save their breath when they're describing consequences of attacks on dual-use facilities, regardless of what a given facility's normal market is. No such thing as purely civilian use of either a refinery or a pipeline gathering station, particularly when it's close to the border.

Ukraine is very good at random drone attacks and that's Budanov's area of specialization anyway. But that's really all Ukraine has left until it gets reloaded from Mike Johnson's flip-flop. Combine that with US ISR real-time capabilities and the results are darn near impossible to stop. It'll be interesting to see what the Russians come up with.
 

Abert

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We're beginning to observe sources popping up again which have long been debunked as to their veracity and the well-documented source of their information - sites like US Civil Defense, Terror Alarm, DEFCON and the globalist neocon rag named Foreign Affairs, whose lace-pantied intellectuals have absolutely zero knowledge other than intellectual suppositions. Silly things such as "the enemy gets a vote in our grand strategies" such as defensive moves, counter-punches and operational expertise don't seem to even enter into their realm of consideration.

Like Mike Tyson said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." That's exactly what needs to happen to these soi bois who think up this kind of foolishness. They need one of those cartoon boxing gloves on a remotely-triggered spring which knocks them backwards out of their chairs and out of their cubicles whenever this kind of trash shows up on their pieces.

For my own point of view and firm belief, western military forces have been operating in Ukraine for years, including America's. Don't even try to give me that line about whichever group of SOF soldiers are mercenaries, volunteers, advisors or trainers. They're in there fighting. period. They're assuredly running air defense systems, for one. The last count I heard is that we've lost somewhere in the 400-500 range of Americans but of course they were "mercenaries" when their deaths go public. And of course Biden doesn't have to go to Dover AFB and check his watch while the coffins are being unloaded. Hopefully they're receiving full military honors but I wouldn't guarantee it with this bunch of apes in command. All I can say is that they followed orders and deserve better.

As for the Frenchies, that big missile strike a while back killed about 70 of them at last count. No count on wounded but there were reports of ambulances flying back and forth between the barracks hotel and the hospitals all night long. Macron is showing himself to be a bigger idiot than Boris Johnson, Stoltenberg or Van der Leyhen.
Interesting article - they go way out of their way for most of this article to suggest - JUST ADVISORS - well maybe some maintenance - but 100% defensive troops - as in defensive AD against missiles (not jets) but finally they get to the key part - where this all ends up once the gate is opened via ADVISORS > ADVISORS Defending themselves > Active Combat

Finally, Europe needs to consider a direct combat mission that helps protect Ukrainian territory west of the Dnieper. In addition to reducing the burden of the Ukrainian military in these regions, the presence of European troops would make it unlikely that Russian forces would advance across the river, protecting much of Ukraine from conquest. One potential Russian target is Odessa, Ukraine’s main port where most of the country’s exports are shipped. If Russian troops were to approach the city, European forces in the vicinity would have the right to defend themselves by firing on the advancing soldiers. They could help thwart a Russian offensive that, given Odessa’s strategic position, could strangle the Ukrainian economy and position Russian forces for a potential invasion of Moldova. Moscow would try to spin any lethal response to a Russian attack as European aggression, but Russia would be responsible for any escalation.

Yep put a few 10's of thousands of EU and US? troops in Odessa - and naturally they have the right to defend themselves - that is where this is heading - Odessa is the Crown Jewel that NATO can't let fall into Russian hands.

They assume (HOPE) that just their presence would stop a Russian attack - not much of a plan - but about as sound as all their other failed ones they have used.
 

Abert

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The Rooskies may as well save their breath when they're describing consequences of attacks on dual-use facilities, regardless of what a given facility's normal market is. No such thing as purely civilian use of either a refinery or a pipeline gathering station, particularly when it's close to the border.

Ukraine is very good at random drone attacks and that's Budanov's area of specialization anyway. But that's really all Ukraine has left until it gets reloaded from Mike Johnson's flip-flop. Combine that with US ISR real-time capabilities and the results are darn near impossible to stop. It'll be interesting to see what the Russians come up with.
Yes Ukraine is good at RANDOM attacks but in the end other than headlines the damage is repaired in a few weeks. If they were able to do day after day attacks then they might have some impact. By all reports these random attacks have had no effective impact on their productions overall - across the board exports and related profits are up.

As for this whole funding DANCE - Biden has had - and still does - around $4 Billion in draw down authority to send weapons - could have done it over the last 6 months but for some reason found it more politically useful to cry about how the Republicans (MAGA) were causing a loss for Ukraine - taking orders from Trump which we all know is a Russian agent. 100% Political SPIN .

As for what new missiles they get - have to see what is in the packages. AD missiles would be the most useful (if the US has any to send) any long range strike missiles would only be effective if they were delivered in the 100's / 1000's (which we likely don't have). Anything less and they would only be good for one off attacks (as they have been doing) good for headlines.

As for US ISR they have been getting that from day one, How do you think Ukraine knows when a new attack is about to take place? The US can detect aircraft takeoffs - especially the bombers (missile platforms) which they provide to Ukraine as well as info on launched missiles. Ukraine has ZERO ability to track this - all US provided info - nothing will change with that.

How Russia responds - same as they have been - without question a few missile will likely get passed AD systems but as noted unless they have thousands to use the results will be about the same as we have seen. One off Headline hits.
 

vector7

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Thomas Massie: This is the U.S. House of Representatives under the direction of Speaker Mike Johnson. Democrats are celebrating his total capitulation with no victory for securing our border. #MTV

BREAKING: @SpeakerJohnson ordered to have this video removed from X.
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Ukraine: CBS News is reporting that the hundreds of billions US taxpayers have funneled into Ukraine have allowed the bar scene in Kyiv to flourish - there are now more bars and nightclubs in the capital than before the war began.
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Another $61 billion for Ukraine.
$26 billion to Israel
$8 billion to the Indo-Pacific region
Grand total to $95 billion in foreign funding.

Not a dollar for a U.S. border invasion. Congress hates America.

Turtle's Response:
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View: https://twitter.com/KarluskaP/status/1783144496177320141
 
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