ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

jward

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Lara Seligman
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SCOOP: The U.S. is considering sending additional military advisers to the embassy in Kyiv, the latest show of American commitment to Ukraine as Russia appears to be gaining momentum in the two-year conflict.

The advisers would not be in a combat role, but rather would advise and support the Ukrainian government and military, according to Pentagon spox. @alexbward
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Collin Rugg
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JUST IN: Congress members wave Ukraine flags in the United States House after they approve another $61 *billion* in military aid for Ukraine.

The bill also gave $26 *billion* to Israel and another $8 *billion* for allies in the Indo-Pacific region bringing the grand total to $95 billion in foreign funding.

Nearly $100 billion in funding for foreign countries and not a dollar for a U.S. border wall.

Congratulations to the American taxpayer. Your hard-earned money is getting fast-tracked overseas.

Video: @RepMTG
View: https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1781756256132485324




Bill Melugin
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Some texts from Border Patrol and ICE contacts after I asked for their response to $95 billion in foreign aid passing the House, but nothing in this package for US border security as border numbers begin to rise again.

"Unbelievable."

"We're screwed."

"So messed up."

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At this point, I'm convinced the government is deliberately trying to cause a civil "disturbance". Pure evil.
 

Housecarl

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While I have not been paying much attention, I have noticed that it looks like Johnson was threatened. He looks very much like Kamala did reasonably early in Biden's term (I think it was not quite a year in) after something or other almost blew up big time. Her voice and body language was that of someone who had been "shown" something (in my opinion), and I wrote about it then.

If I recall, it was about the right time for her to realize just how bad the situation was, and if she had any reasoning left in her brain, she might have wanted to find a way out (aka quit). At the time, I wondered if she had been shown photos of car or plane crashes or otherwise made an offer she could not refuse. The women looked, acted, and sounded terrified.

I paid attention because she was one heartbeat away from the Oval Office, not two. If they are doing this to Johnson, something dire is going on. Not having many weapons left could be one explanation, though it is hard to tell without more information.

Almost all politicians at high levels have a "control file," and even those rare human beings who have little for the Bad Guys to "play" with, like Ron Paul, have families that can be threatened.

IMHO the people that make up the "Triumvirate" sold the rest of DCe a story back in 2018 that they "had this" both with regards to the election and "support" to the incoming administration (Obama's 3rd) and that Biden's health would be "good enough" up through 2026. This was done in large part due to the cover of Covid-19 and the "basement campaign" that it allowed. When they finally found out otherwise they were all on the hook and had no "Plan B" since those in the Triumvirate would have to give up the power they'd acquired in their coup d'etat. That in itself would have been bad enough but that the behind the curtain bunch can't handle things only makes it worse and exposes everyone in the Swamp to eventual consequences.
 

Housecarl

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Hummm..........

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After Congress finally does pass new funding, this is how the US can rush weapons to Ukraine​

BY TARA COPP AND LOLITA C. BALDOR
Updated 2:17 PM PDT, April 20, 2024

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon could get weapons moving to Ukraine within days once Congress passes a long-delayed aid bill. That’s because it has a network of storage sites in the U.S. and Europe that already hold the ammunition and air defense components that Kyiv desperately needs.

Moving fast is critical, CIA Director Bill Burns said this past week, warning that without additional aid from the U.S., Ukraine could lose the war to Russia by the end of this year.

“We would like very much to be able to rush the security assistance in the volumes we think they need to be able to be successful,” Pentagon press secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said.

The House approved $61 billion in funding for the war-torn country Saturday after Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., pushed a larger foreign aid bill toward a vote despite threats from within his party that doing so could cost him his job. It still needs to clear the Senate.

After the House vote, Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, said he was grateful “for the decision that keeps history on the right track.” He said on X, formerly Twitter that the House action “will keep the war from expanding, save thousands and thousands of lives, and help both of our nations to become stronger.”

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FILE - 155 mm M795 artillery projectiles are stacked during manufacturing process at the Scranton Army Ammunition Plant in Scranton, Pa., Thursday, April 13, 2023. The Pentagon could get weapons moving to Ukraine within days if Congress passes a long-delayed aid bill. That's because it has a network of storage sites in the U.S. and Europe that already hold the ammunition and air defense components that Kyiv desperately needs. The House approved $61 billion in funding for the war-torn country Saturday, April 20, 2024. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke, File)
A look at what’s in the $95 billion foreign aid package passed by the House
In this photo provided by the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Military Administration, a view of the damage after Russia's attack on residential building in Dnipro, Ukraine, Friday, April 19, 2024. (Dnipropetrovsk Regional Military Administration via AP Photo)
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FILE - Olha Faichuk, 79, center, cries as she says goodbye to her neighbors in front of her apartment building, which was heavily damaged by a Russian airstrike, in Lukiantsi, Kharkiv region, Ukraine, on Tuesday, April 16, 2024. (AP Photo/Evgeniy Maloletka, File)
As Russia edges toward a possible offensive on Kharkiv, some residents flee. Others refuse to leave
President Joe Biden has said he would sign it “immediately.”

If that happens, “we have a very robust logistics network that enables us to move material very quickly,” Ryder told reporters this past week. “We can move within days.”



The Pentagon has had supplies ready to go for months but hasn’t moved them because it is out of money. It has already spent all of the funding Congress had previously provided to support Ukraine, sending more than $44 billion worth of weapons, maintenance, training and spare parts since Russia’s February 2022 invasion.

By December, the Pentagon was $10 billion in the hole, because it is going to cost more now to replace the systems it sent to the battlefield in Ukraine.


As a result, the Pentagon’s frequent aid packages for Ukraine dried up because there’s been no guarantee Congress would pass the additional funding needed to replenish the weapons the U.S. has been sending to Ukraine. The legislation would include more than $20 billion to restock the Pentagon’s shelves and ensure that the military services have what they need to fight and protect America.

The lag in weapons deliveries has forced Ukrainian troops to spend months rationing their dwindling supply of munitions.

A look at how the U.S. can quickly move weapons to Ukraine:

PRESIDENTIAL DRAWDOWN AUTHORITY​

When an aid package for Ukraine is announced, the weapons are either provided through presidential drawdown authority, which allows the military to immediately pull from its stockpiles, or through security assistance, which funds longer-term contracts with the defense industry to obtain the systems.

The presidential drawdown authority, or PDA, as it’s known, has allowed the military to send billions of dollars worth of ammunition, air defense missile launchers, tanks, vehicles and other equipment to Ukraine.

“In the past, we’ve seen weapons transferred via presidential drawdown authority arrive within a matter of days,” said Brad Bowman, director at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies center on military and political power.

Those stocks are pulled from bases or storage facilities in the U.S. or from European sites where the U.S. has already surged weapons to cut down on the amount of time it will take to deliver them once the funding is approved.

DWINDLING U.S. STOCKS​

As the war in Ukraine has dragged on, the U.S. began to send increasingly larger, more lethal and more expensive systems to the warfront. They included entire air defense systems, armored vehicles, sophisticated missiles — even Abrams tanks.

Those systems cost more to replace, so the military — in particular, the Army — went deeper into debt. Compounding that, the military in some cases opted to replace older systems sent to Ukraine with pricier, higher-tech ones at home.

As a result, Army leaders recently told Congress that without passage of the foreign aid bill, they will begin to run out of money and have to move funds from other accounts.

Army Secretary Christine Wormuth and Gen. Randy George, chief of staff of the Army, said the branch wouldn’t have enough money to bring home troops serving in Europe or to train units in the U.S.

U.S. WEAPONS STORAGE​

The military has massive weapons storage facilities in the U.S. for millions of rounds of munitions of all sizes that would be ready to use in case of war.

For example, the McAlester Army Ammunition Plant in Oklahoma sprawls across 45,000 acres (70 square miles) connected by rail and has a mission to surge as many as 435 shipping containers — each able to carry 15 tons (30,000 pounds) worth of munitions — if ordered by the president.

The facility is also a major storage site for one of the most used munitions on Ukraine’s battlefield, 155 mm howitzer rounds.

The demand by Ukraine for that particular shell has put pressure on U.S. stockpiles and pushed the military to see where else it could get them. As a result, tens of thousands of 155 mm rounds have been shipped back from South Korea to McAlester to be retrofitted for Ukraine.

STORING WEAPONS IN EUROPE​

According to a U.S. military official, the U.S. would be able to send certain munitions “almost immediately” to Ukraine because storehouses exist in Europe.

Among the weapons that could go very quickly are the 155 mm rounds and other artillery, along with some air defense munitions. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss preparations not yet made public.

A host of sites across Germany, Poland and other European allies also are helping Ukraine maintain and train on systems sent to the front. For example, Germany set up a maintenance hub for Kyiv’s Leopard 2 tank fleet in Poland, near the Ukrainian border.

The nearby maintenance hubs hasten the turnaround time to get needed repairs done on the Western systems.

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Follow the AP’s coverage of Russia’s war in Ukraine at https://apnews.com/hub/russia-ukraine.

TARA COPP
Copp covers the Pentagon and national security for the Associated Press. She has reported from Afghanistan, Iraq, throughout the Middle East, Europe and Asia.

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jward

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The way they structured the $60 billion for Ukraine, it continues funding for the war deep into 2025.

Even if Trump wins and becomes President, now he can’t stop the war. They will impeach Trump for NOT sending the money and weapons to Ukraine if he tries to stop the war.
 

Housecarl

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The way they structured the $60 billion for Ukraine, it continues funding for the war deep into 2025.

Even if Trump wins and becomes President, now he can’t stop the war. They will impeach Trump for NOT sending the money and weapons to Ukraine if he tries to stop the war.

Considering Biden’s "condition" I wouldn't be surprised if "they" get us actively involved before August beyond supplying bullets and intel.
 

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Congress must reconvene. This is urgent.

A border town in Ukraine called El Paso is currently being invaded by thousands of MILITARY-AGE RUSSIAN MEN.

We MUST defend their border NOW!!

This is essential to America's interests.
Wall Street Silver
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The way they structured the $60 billion for Ukraine, it continues funding for the war deep into 2025.

Even if Trump wins and becomes President, now he can’t stop the war. They will impeach Trump for NOT sending the money and weapons to Ukraine if he tries to stop the war.
 

Abert

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Considering Biden’s "condition" I wouldn't be surprised if "they" get us actively involved before August beyond supplying bullets and intel.
That is another option that should be considered. For some unexplained reason this got rushed through Congress about as fast as any bill in history - with the Speaker doing a 180 reversal and not even attempting any offsets or even minor add ons. To just about every objective observer - even in the WEST including operations like ISW - they are admitting that Ukraine is not going to defeat Russia. Like in any project there are constraints and limiting factors - for Ukraine it is troops. More money can be pumped in - more arms - but TROOPS? Bit of a reach - but the rush for this may be because Russia is moving forward and the Ukraine lines could collapse within weeks - NATO / US Troops sent in??? Can Biden allow Putin to beat him? Consider Biden's ego. This war is far from over - with these new funds 10's / 100's of thousands more will die.
And just one false step / mistake - and we have WW3
 

Housecarl

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That is another option that should be considered. For some unexplained reason this got rushed through Congress about as fast as any bill in history - with the Speaker doing a 180 reversal and not even attempting any offsets or even minor add ons. To just about every objective observer - even in the WEST including operations like ISW - they are admitting that Ukraine is not going to defeat Russia. Like in any project there are constraints and limiting factors - for Ukraine it is troops. More money can be pumped in - more arms - but TROOPS? Bit of a reach - but the rush for this may be because Russia is moving forward and the Ukraine lines could collapse within weeks - NATO / US Troops sent in??? Can Biden allow Putin to beat him? Consider Biden's ego. This war is far from over - with these new funds 10's / 100's of thousands more will die.
And just one false step / mistake - and we have WW3

Biden's ego isn't the issue any longer, it's that of the Starchamber that's actually running things we need to be worried about and what they need to hide to cover their own butts.
 

Walrus

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Russia will continue their current advances based on their goals to an end they will control - Biden or Trump - makes little difference.
There's enough slack in any laws nowadays to enable the President to do pretty much as they wish. While Trump's team seemed to be fixated on the press' reaction to one of his actions (foolish from the get-go because it's always going to be negative - just live with it and do what's right), Biden's team is totally focused on the election.

The differing results seem to have logically sprung from those particular points of view.
The advisers would not be in a combat role, but rather would advise and support the Ukrainian government and military, according to Pentagon spox. @alexbward
This is another laughable assertion from someone who must swallow some kool-aid every day to ensure its effects don't allow logic to clutter the process. Predictable yet dangerous.
 

Tex88

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Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said the aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan approved by the US House of Representatives "will exacerbate global crisis phenomena".

Zakharova called support for Ukraine "direct sponsorship of terrorist activities", support for Taiwan "interference in China's domestic affairs", and support for Israel "a direct path to an unprecedented escalation" in the Middle East.

Meanwhile, Dmitry Medvedev, Deputy Chairman of Russia’s Security Council, called the House of Representatives' approval of aid for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan "a vote by gleeful American freaks for continuing the civil war between the divided people of our previously united country" and a vote for increasing the numbers of casualties of the war that Russia is waging against Ukraine. Medvedev also said he hoped the United States would plunge into a new civil war as soon as possible, which would "lead to the collapse of the United States".

 

AlfaMan

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Forgive me mods for a touch of thread drift, I'll be short.

This reminds me of a bit of hell I got to experience from a liberal last week. My own sister.

Her husband died week and a half ago suddenly (on board a cruise ship in intl. waters. Another story for another time).

Anyway they got back into town last Friday, I'd driven down from DC overnight to GA to be with her and her 3 adult (and broken up) children. She hadn't slept in about 2 days so she was in fine form. She is a flaming on fire burn hair liberal.

Somehow as time went, in the consoling and trying to get her to try and rest politics came up. The standard liberal talking points came up, each at increasing volume and "passion". MTG was referred to as "trailer trash" and president Trump was called that "communist A-hole" and republicans were uneducated inbred and totally clueless. Oh, and COmrade Joe is the best thing since sliced bread. Bidenflation is a "lie", by the way :) I wasn't raised to be an insurrectionist or idiot, as I was told when she asked if I was there at the "insurrection at the capitol". She hit over 100 decibels when she asked who I voted for. I told her President Trump. At that point she lost it.

At that point a scalding hot mug of camomile tea was hurled in my direction in her best baseball fast ball pitch, hitting and burning me. This was a "passionate liberal" burning her own brother because of my conservative views. I know she was grieving, but liberalism being an honest disease was shown on full display. It's real folks.

She apologized the next day (after a replacement cup of camomile with 7 ambien in it and 5 hours of sleep ) but told me I needed to really understand what my uninformed vote does for the country.

Back to the present-these flaming liberals are celebrating over the passing of the aid bill. They're in congress, and they're alive-and they vote.
 

Abert

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Not just in the US - Johnson declares he is a WAR TIME SPEAKER - and in the EU - "Today in Brussels, the majority are the parties of war."

View: https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1781973300396036344


This is a military whirlwind that can drag Europe into the abyss. Brussels is playing with fire, it is tempting God himself. We remember it well, they have personal experience, we have learned it well. World wars were never called world wars in the beginning."
 

Walrus

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Every condolence possible to you. And credit to your civil responses to her deliberate provocations to your sound foundational thinking.

I know she's family and you're generous in your understanding of her circumstances. Without knowing anything of the family dynamic, though - especially the place in which her children find themselves - it could well be a benefit to your health to discreetly cut the ties - at least as much as you understand the futility of opening her eyes to truth.

You're absolutely correct in the implied assertion that liberalism - and its flaming manifestation leftism and all the related isms - is a real mental health disorder.
 

Abert

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There's enough slack in any laws nowadays to enable the President to do pretty much as they wish. While Trump's team seemed to be fixated on the press' reaction to one of his actions (foolish from the get-go because it's always going to be negative - just live with it and do what's right), Biden's team is totally focused on the election.

The differing results seem to have logically sprung from those particular points of view.

This is another laughable assertion from someone who must swallow some kool-aid every day to ensure its effects don't allow logic to clutter the process. Predictable yet dangerous.
ELECTIONS - YEP both the Dem and Rep base 90+% of what they do - for OPTICS.
The Republicans (among other reasons) were blackmailed - more and more the failure of project Ukraine was being placed at the feet of Republicans - Trump the Russian agent or Johnson the Russian agent or MAGA Russian agents. It appears from reports that Trump (or his team) were in favor of this Vote on aid - Naturally we will now hear how they are still Russian Agents because they did not do it sooner. As noted always negative press.

With funding both Rep and Dem HOPE this project Ukraine gets off the front page - at least through the elections.
Post Elections - Biden (well preserved) or Trump it will make little difference - Russia has already made it clear that they plan to obtain their goals. Sanctions have been maxed out (over 11,000 new ones on Russia in the last 2 years), they got their funding from US and EU, more arms and munitions being sent in - the only card yet to be played is direct NATO intervention - and we should be clear on where that ends up! "World wars were never called world wars in the beginning." - Viktor Orban
 

SageRock

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Russia appears to be one of those countries that become stronger and stronger as they are attacked. Sanctions, military attacks, international condemnation, attempted blockades -- all of these make Russia stronger.

This characteristic is called "anti-fragile" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb, the author of "The Black Swan."

The United States, on the other hand, appears quite fragile and precarious, particularly in the fiat dollar and what might be termed "domestic tranquility." Europe also appears very weak -- militarily, economically, domestically, and geopolitically.

The doddering, senile pResident Biden was inflicted on this country to humiliate and then destroy us as a nation. He is a perfect symbol of the fragile nature of this current administration.

I wish the outlook for the United States was better, but "it is what it is, and it ain't what it ain't."
 

Knoxville's Joker

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If Ronald Reagan was still alive and President, the Republicans would have armed the Ukrainians to the maximum.
Back then we had enough manufacturing capacity to back fill stocks more quickly. We have too many potatoesque lard posteriors that refuse to work to pull off any major uptick in manufacturing on top of the loss of all the trades related to industrial manufacturing and all the tool and die machinists needed for constant retooling.
 

toxic avenger

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Back then we had enough manufacturing capacity to back fill stocks more quickly. We have too many potatoesque lard posteriors that refuse to work to pull off any major uptick in manufacturing on top of the loss of all the trades related to industrial manufacturing and all the tool and die machinists needed for constant retooling.
Not to mention we lost as many young people to drugs in the last 20 years as we did to war casualties in WWII
 

Knoxville's Joker

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Not to mention we lost as many young people to drugs in the last 20 years as we did to war casualties in WWII
I have to wonder if the whole reincarnation thing is true and if it is the perpetual wars where the poor souls are coming back not having processed the traumas from the last go around causing the core drug problem to be sooo bad of late. Or it could just be crappy parenting and bad life choices...
 

Housecarl

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When we talk about Russian "strength", remember it has an economy about the size of New York State with multiples of the population (ETA: 19 million vs 144 million).

This war and prior Putin territorial "adjustments" only occurred because the Swamp "allowed" it.

The Ukraine mess can be laid at the feet of the Obama/Biden/Clinton cabal.
 

Abert

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Back then we had enough manufacturing capacity to back fill stocks more quickly. We have too many potatoesque lard posteriors that refuse to work to pull off any major uptick in manufacturing on top of the loss of all the trades related to industrial manufacturing and all the tool and die machinists needed for constant retooling.
Yes - the US today is NOT the US of the 1940's. We have a GDP now based on Services and Finance no longer hard manufacturing - making goods. And as noted it is very unlikely we have a trained population to restart industrial manufacturing. YET the US keeps talking of war with China which does have an industrial manufacturing base.
Just consider ship building which requires the full range of industrial manufacturing skills and workforce. The same skills needed for military production. Iron and Steel workers vs Internet Influencers

China produces more cargo ships than all the countries in the world combined, while the US industry produces less than 1% of the total number worldwide, reports Foreign Policy

Over the past year, Beijing showed a 12% increase in shipbuilding. The magazine believes that China's goal is to build supply chains that are resistant to possible Western sanctions, since 80% of global trade is carried out by sea.

Western economies will find it difficult to respond to China's dominance in shipbuilding because their shipyards compete with each other and cannot achieve the concentration of resources that China has, Foreign Policy believes.

Don't feel bad for the US, they outproduce everyone when it comes to the number of genders
 

jward

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Kremlin: US military aid to Israel is ‘road straight to escalation’; Medvedev slams package as ‘Russophobia’​


By Reuters Today, 2:00 am 16 Edit


The Russian Foreign Ministry says US House of Representatives’ approval of security aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan will “deepen crises throughout the world.”

“Military assistance to the Kyiv regime is direct sponsorship of terrorist activity,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova writes on Telegram.
“To Taiwan, it is interference in China’s internal affairs. To Israel, it is a road straight to escalation and an unprecedented rise in tension in the region.”
The House passed a $95 billion legislative package with broad bipartisan support providing security assistance to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry says that approval of security aid to Ukraine “will make the United States of America richer, further ruin Ukraine and result in the deaths of even more Ukrainians, the fault of the Kyiv regime.
Peskov is quoted as saying by Russian news agencies as saying that provisions in the legislation allowing the US administration to confiscate seized Russian assets and transfer them to Ukraine to fund reconstruction will tarnish the image of the United States.
Russia, he says, will enact retaliatory measures.

Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, writing on the Telegram messaging app, says the approval of US aid for Ukraine was expected and grounded in “Russophobia.”
“We will, of course, be victorious regardless of the bloodsoaked $61 billion, which will mostly be swallowed up by their insatiable military industrial complex,” writes Medvedev, one of Russia’s most vociferous hawks as deputy chairman of the Security Council.
 

Tristan

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Forgive me mods for a touch of thread drift, I'll be short.

This reminds me of a bit of hell I got to experience from a liberal last week. My own sister.

Her husband died week and a half ago suddenly (on board a cruise ship in intl. waters. Another story for another time).

Anyway they got back into town last Friday, I'd driven down from DC overnight to GA to be with her and her 3 adult (and broken up) children. She hadn't slept in about 2 days so she was in fine form. She is a flaming on fire burn hair liberal.

Somehow as time went, in the consoling and trying to get her to try and rest politics came up. The standard liberal talking points came up, each at increasing volume and "passion". MTG was referred to as "trailer trash" and president Trump was called that "communist A-hole" and republicans were uneducated inbred and totally clueless. Oh, and COmrade Joe is the best thing since sliced bread. Bidenflation is a "lie", by the way :) I wasn't raised to be an insurrectionist or idiot, as I was told when she asked if I was there at the "insurrection at the capitol". She hit over 100 decibels when she asked who I voted for. I told her President Trump. At that point she lost it.

At that point a scalding hot mug of camomile tea was hurled in my direction in her best baseball fast ball pitch, hitting and burning me. This was a "passionate liberal" burning her own brother because of my conservative views. I know she was grieving, but liberalism being an honest disease was shown on full display. It's real folks.

She apologized the next day (after a replacement cup of camomile with 7 ambien in it and 5 hours of sleep ) but told me I needed to really understand what my uninformed vote does for the country.

Back to the present-these flaming liberals are celebrating over the passing of the aid bill. They're in congress, and they're alive-and they vote.


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