ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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Actual real-time updated numbers for DoD recruitment to date: Only 40% of goal reached with 75% of fiscal year gone.
Can anyone say draft?
Can anyone imagine the fragging which will occur when snowflakes are drafted, acquire weapons & grenades, and get exposed to actual field grade officers and ops order?
Is there a breakdown based on race and gender? Coast Guard used to struggle to meet its recruiting goals with minorities. We were called the "white service". The recruiters would meet the white male goals within the first couple of months and then have to turn the rest away while begging for minorities.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Can they imagine what will happen when they try to draft young people whose 18 years of soft drinks, GMO/Fake over-processed foods, and nearly total lack of exercise (especially the last 3 years) will result in thousands of training exercise injuries and some long term disabilities?
Sure you can do a "pre-boot camp" diet and exercise program to get people down to a certain weight and you can improve their physical fitness but you can't undo weakened bones and weakened bodies that simply will never be capable of marching 50 miles with 75-pound packs on their backs.
Even those that WANT to be there, young people who currently volunteer, are washing out for medical reasons beyond their control at this age. The changes needed to have been made 15 to 17 years ago, to have healthy 18 to 20-year-olds today.
Young people drafted who do not want to be there, are going to make things even worse; this is not a generation that is likely to just "buckle up" and "do their duty." Both because physically many of them simply are not capable of it, at least not as traditional soldiers, and others, because they have been taught the US, is a terrible place and certainly not something worth fighting for.
And those in military families that have been the backbone of the services for generations, have seen how their parents and older siblings were used and reused until they were broken and thrown away during the Sand Box years of insane numbers of deployments.
Their parents tell them not to serve, their older siblings and uncles or aunties tell them not to serve, and they really don't want to be used as chew toys by a military that seems to get a bit weirder with each passing day.
This will not end well, it may be possible to pick up the pieces if there is the will to do so but it will not be pretty.
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
I really hope not! I've got two kids that would be of that age. I don't want our kids serving under this administration.
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
Not all kids are like that though. Our kids and their friends are tough farm kids, but I do see where you're coming from.
If they need the bodies they will change the acceptance standards. Happens during every war.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Not all kids are, but how happy are the estimated 25 percent who are fit enough to be trained and serve to go to feel about 75 percent of their age-mates being let off the hook for military service. That said, I'm sure that any draft will have to include a mandatory service of some kind for those who can't go into the military for physical reasons (and that would have included me at 4'8" tall).
In a sane world, those who served in the military would get extra benefits and options that encouraged young people to try to take that option. But I'd be concerned the whole "everyone must share" and "everyone is just as special as everyone else," might make that difficult to do.
And again, I have a very hard time seeing this generation being pushed into "national service" on a huge scale or the taxpayers being willing to pay the extremely high costs it would take to provide, oversee and enforce such a program.
Most countries that used to have these systems dropped them due to cost and compliance problems years ago, some are trying to put them back (like Sweden) but it isn't easy. The larger the country the harder it is to enforce and provide enough resources to pull it off.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
They will lower standards, but from what I hear from friends in the military, there have to be some basic levels of fitness if the person can't do the job even as cannon fodder. Two generations ago, lots of young people had some experience with sports, or did labor at home; they also ate much better and greater varieties of food; especially meat and vegetables. Junk food existed but the average meal wasn't out of a microwave, young children drank milk and juice at school as well as at home.
This gave people the basic body strength that could be brought up to speed, with proper training to be a soldier. I'm hearing from friends that today, even kids who want very much to be in the military are being medevacked out because their bones break on hikes or their asthma is so bad they fall down, stop breathing, and have to be discharged.
I've seen estimates that even with more forgiving requirements it still going to as few as 30 to 35 percent of young people who are trainable or fixable. Some can be slotted into non-combat jobs with lower physical standards that's already being looked at because some jobs in IT and other vital areas are going empty. And, that might be one solution to part of the problem, basically use them in the roles the military used a lot of women for in WWII. Doing the vital paperwork and modern versions of it and support roles that every military needs but doesn't require a combat level of fitness in most places.
jward
passin' thru
Ours are a different breed as well, but we've had thread after thread on the damage the lifestyle is creating for these kids in terms of their ability to serve; the damage apparently cannot be undone, period.
Makes ya wonder if that ole firepower or manpower truism is why they're pressing so hard to get into what many of us fear would be a nuclear engagement; we certainly don't seem to have the manpower to win anything, but stand a chance with the former? :: shrug ::
Makes ya wonder if that ole firepower or manpower truism is why they're pressing so hard to get into what many of us fear would be a nuclear engagement; we certainly don't seem to have the manpower to win anything, but stand a chance with the former? :: shrug ::
I'm sure there is, but I don't have the access to that level of granularity. The way it was presented to me was that this was an overall number vs. goals - no breakdowns.
That's how the nukes, on both sides, come into play. The bunch inside the Beltway these days is so clueless and over specialized in the Potomac 2 Step that when, not if, this truly goes bright and loud we had better all hope that the 2 star that will likely be airborne in the command post is more than just an apparatchek.
jward
passin' thru
yup- but these will shred up quicker than kindlin at a bonfire.
..wonder how those south of the border boys measure up, maybe the plan is that they can fight for us, instead of against??
..wonder how those south of the border boys measure up, maybe the plan is that they can fight for us, instead of against??
That may well be the thinking, particularly since "our" oligarchs and "theirs" see their populations as expendable production units and they all assume that they themselves won't be "touched".
The problem is in order for that to have any impact on this current mess it would have needed to have been started three years ago. Once this really gets going it will be a come as you are event.
IIRC my Fourth Turning stuff, this generation - unlikely as it seems - does become the new Hero Generation. I'd have to go back and read it again to make sure.
Ordinary Girl
Veteran Member
My daughter and son in law would be drafted ( I assume with women’s lib women are drafted now). I can’t tolerate the thought.
Nowski
Let's Go Brandon!
If they think, that they have problems now, let these basterds attempt
another draft. NO DRAFT NEVER AGAIN.
I am former US Navy gunboat rider, 1974-1976, 10 of my family have
served in the US Navy, but none ever again, not ever.
There are (4)four in my family that they might try to get, but (3)three
are half Canadian, and the (4)fourth one is only kid in his family,
so they should be safe. If not, I will personally see to it, that they are
flown out of this royally screwed up nation, to a safe nation.
Let them take the ghetto POS Africans, the POS fags of all types
especially the trans, and the POS illegal aliens, if they want their
cannon fodder, let it be them.
I will march in the streets, if they attempt a draft, and there are millions
who think as I do, about this royally screwed up nation, that was once
worth fighting for, but no more.
Please be safe everyone.
Regards to all.
Nowski
Doomer Doug
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Well my military experience was a hybrid volunteer/draftee one. Basic and AIT were VOLAR the first 6 months, the next 8 months I was in a draftee unit all drafted September of 1972 and all discharged september of 74. We were at Grafenvohr doing tank live fire. The draftees fired their unit drills and started the deros process right then.
Anyway there will NEVER be a draft again because the command military can't deal with the kind of independent thinkers draftees are. If the Kabul troops had been draftees there would have been dozens of globalist command officers being fragged.
Anyway there will NEVER be a draft again because the command military can't deal with the kind of independent thinkers draftees are. If the Kabul troops had been draftees there would have been dozens of globalist command officers being fragged.
northern watch
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Yes,
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Grumphau
Veteran Member
I believe it was the Millennials who were the "hero" generation. They could and did serve in the GWOT.
In my AO, I know several very honorable young men who have newly volunteered for service in various branches, and my own son is planning on volunteering in a couple years.
Thank you, Grumphau; we're going to need everyone who's willing.
Every so often, I read of frustration from people who are having trouble trying to figure out whose reporting is reliable in this Slavic mess. While the correct answer is simple and short, it doesn't prevent people from donning their cheerleader uniforms, raising their blue and yellow pompoms and cheering for all they're worth. There's no sense for this frustration, which will of course lead to abject despair as the western propaganda machines have no reason to begin telling us truth.
So I'll take one more shot to let reality intrude into folks' minds.
There ARE very good sources out there. (I know of no reliable Ukrainian sources, by the way, from top to bottom, other than what oreally tells us of his personal daily experiences, and I thank you for that) I'll give you one short example: the recent shopping mall missile attack during which 1000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED!!!!!
was shown to be counterfeit almost as quickly as the Trump aide who came up with the story that President Trump grabbed her steering wheel or whatever it was. Brian Cates asked the question ... if there were 1000 people inside that mall, where were all the cars?
The real answer was found at moonofalabama.org.
Yesterday I mentioned the burning shopping center in Kremenchuk, Ukraine, of which the Ukrainian president Zelensky falsely claimed that thousand people had been inside.
I asked:
Today's report on the war by the Russian Defense Ministry says:
Turns out that mall was closed long ago.
Reliable sources - always use several. Some sources are Russian, some are British, some are actually American and some are of indeterminate origin (like TheDuran who reports from Greece but who I believe is American). I'm going to post several; it's up to you to investigate and feed at your leisure.
First up is an excellent website named AwfulAvalanche. I'm going to post a post of his which is several days old, for two reasons: There are two very well-done - though long - videos with excellent references and analysis. The first one is done by an American who's broadcasting from Thailand, apparently, by the name of Brian Berletic. It's worth watching the entire 40ish minutes, but remember the map analyses and updates are several days old, and outdated by now.
The second video is done by a British citizen (presumably broadcasting from the UK). It's 52 minutes but don't waste time with the first 12 minutes or so; it's just a repeat of several-days-old tactical data. The most crucial part is his presentation from an outfit in the UK called the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI). The Royal tells you that it's very old - in this case centuries - and it's been studying the military through those centuries. I don't think they used the words "think tank" back when. They are, however, heavy hitters and this analysis shows why they're regarded as such.
They have put out a study called The Industrial Capacity Required to Wage War (or something like that) and it's not good news for the west. Fact is, this BS one might often read about how the combination of the west's "superior technology" and Ukrainian determination is bleeding Russia dry, any day now. The real answer is "not hardly", and Alex explains why in detail. The short answer is that Russia has the industrial capacity developed since 2006 to keep this weapons, ammunition, materiel and troops indefinitely, in comparison with US stockpiles of artillery shells, for instance, which would last about 3 weeks going against Russian expenditures in Ukraine.
There are other high-quality sources out there. A website oddly named MoonOfAlamaba.org (where the barflies congregate - it sounds something like our own crossbowboy's Cross and Bow pub, does it not?) listed 3 of its primary trusted sources the other day. I will publish them when I find them; they are also unusually good and perceptive stories.
More later. I've seen all this crap about comparative GNP and population size, vs. economy, etc. That doesn't mean squat compared to what the RUSI has studied.
Lemme see now, the US is closing the last of 5 military ammo plants recently? I know Taiwan makes some awesome ammo but EVERYTHING has been shipped overseas. We don't make much stuff anymore - especially machine tools, which are absolutely critical in .... ummm machining stuff?
So I'll take one more shot to let reality intrude into folks' minds.
There ARE very good sources out there. (I know of no reliable Ukrainian sources, by the way, from top to bottom, other than what oreally tells us of his personal daily experiences, and I thank you for that) I'll give you one short example: the recent shopping mall missile attack during which 1000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED!!!!!
was shown to be counterfeit almost as quickly as the Trump aide who came up with the story that President Trump grabbed her steering wheel or whatever it was. Brian Cates asked the question ... if there were 1000 people inside that mall, where were all the cars?The real answer was found at moonofalabama.org.
Yesterday I mentioned the burning shopping center in Kremenchuk, Ukraine, of which the Ukrainian president Zelensky falsely claimed that thousand people had been inside.
I asked:
It has now been confirmed that the answer to my question is 'yes'.
Today's report on the war by the Russian Defense Ministry says:
Ahhh - "don't trust the Russians!" you say. Well, don't trust anyone I say, just scrutinize the facts.
Turns out that mall was closed long ago.
Reliable sources - always use several. Some sources are Russian, some are British, some are actually American and some are of indeterminate origin (like TheDuran who reports from Greece but who I believe is American). I'm going to post several; it's up to you to investigate and feed at your leisure.
First up is an excellent website named AwfulAvalanche. I'm going to post a post of his which is several days old, for two reasons: There are two very well-done - though long - videos with excellent references and analysis. The first one is done by an American who's broadcasting from Thailand, apparently, by the name of Brian Berletic. It's worth watching the entire 40ish minutes, but remember the map analyses and updates are several days old, and outdated by now.
The second video is done by a British citizen (presumably broadcasting from the UK). It's 52 minutes but don't waste time with the first 12 minutes or so; it's just a repeat of several-days-old tactical data. The most crucial part is his presentation from an outfit in the UK called the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI). The Royal tells you that it's very old - in this case centuries - and it's been studying the military through those centuries. I don't think they used the words "think tank" back when. They are, however, heavy hitters and this analysis shows why they're regarded as such.
They have put out a study called The Industrial Capacity Required to Wage War (or something like that) and it's not good news for the west. Fact is, this BS one might often read about how the combination of the west's "superior technology" and Ukrainian determination is bleeding Russia dry, any day now. The real answer is "not hardly", and Alex explains why in detail. The short answer is that Russia has the industrial capacity developed since 2006 to keep this weapons, ammunition, materiel and troops indefinitely, in comparison with US stockpiles of artillery shells, for instance, which would last about 3 weeks going against Russian expenditures in Ukraine.
There are other high-quality sources out there. A website oddly named MoonOfAlamaba.org (where the barflies congregate - it sounds something like our own crossbowboy's Cross and Bow pub, does it not?) listed 3 of its primary trusted sources the other day. I will publish them when I find them; they are also unusually good and perceptive stories.
More later. I've seen all this crap about comparative GNP and population size, vs. economy, etc. That doesn't mean squat compared to what the RUSI has studied.
Lemme see now, the US is closing the last of 5 military ammo plants recently? I know Taiwan makes some awesome ammo but EVERYTHING has been shipped overseas. We don't make much stuff anymore - especially machine tools, which are absolutely critical in .... ummm machining stuff?
jward
passin' thru
Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
4m
BREAKING: Britain announces an additional 1 billion pounds in military aid to Ukraine
@SamRamani2
4m
BREAKING: Britain announces an additional 1 billion pounds in military aid to Ukraine
jward
passin' thru
Insider Paper
@TheInsiderPaper
8h
BREAKING: The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) warned that it has again lost remote connection with its safeguards monitoring systems installed at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine
@TheInsiderPaper
8h
BREAKING: The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) warned that it has again lost remote connection with its safeguards monitoring systems installed at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine
I read this and my first thought is will the Germans fight if Art 5 is used or will they wait til the Russians are at their border?
The Germans will wait to decide until it's too late, because of their internal politics.
On a slightly different subject, I read something recently which was astounding to me.
The Russians lost more people during the battle of Stalingrad than the US lost in the entirety of World War II, including north Africa, Europe and in the Pacific campaigns.
jward
passin' thru
Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2
The EU is reportedly in talks about exempting Kaliningrad from sanctions on Russia Russia's bellicose rhetoric towards Poland and Lithuania could make some EU countries cave to its demands
@SamRamani2
The EU is reportedly in talks about exempting Kaliningrad from sanctions on Russia Russia's bellicose rhetoric towards Poland and Lithuania could make some EU countries cave to its demands
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
The following is from the Military Science Fiction book "Watch on the Rhine" by John Ringo. It may be of some use in analyzing what us really going on viz a viz Russia and the Ukraine. I have used it in my analysis and that is why I have predicted a decisive Russian military victory from Day One.
THE PRINCIPLES OF WAR.
ONE: MASS
TWO: OBJECTIVE
THREE: SECURITY
FOUR: SURPRISE
FIVE: MANEUVER
SIX: OFFENSIVE
SEVEN: UNITS OF COMMAND
EIGHT: SIMPLICITY OF COMMAND
NINE: ECONOMY OF FORCE
TEN: ATTRITION
ELEVEN: ANNIHILATION
TWELVE: SHAPE
THE PRINCIPLES OF WAR.
ONE: MASS
TWO: OBJECTIVE
THREE: SECURITY
FOUR: SURPRISE
FIVE: MANEUVER
SIX: OFFENSIVE
SEVEN: UNITS OF COMMAND
EIGHT: SIMPLICITY OF COMMAND
NINE: ECONOMY OF FORCE
TEN: ATTRITION
ELEVEN: ANNIHILATION
TWELVE: SHAPE
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Even today Russian Children go to Stalingrad for ceremonies each January/February to stand in the snow and remember. They bring in the ancient veterans and they address the class so the Great Patriotic War won't be forgotten.
We have no idea of the iron will of the Russian people. None at all. and certainly not these clowns we got leading the west.
We have no idea of the iron will of the Russian people. None at all. and certainly not these clowns we got leading the west.
von Koehler
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not really surprising. Russia suffered far more casualties then the German side.
The problem for the German side was they were outnumbered from the start . Stalin had an inexhaustible supply of troop replacements.
Good observation!
The MSM is already hinting at a draft.
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Every branch of the military is struggling to make its 2022 recruiting goals, officials say
With a record low number of Americans eligible to serve, and few of those willing to do it, this "is the year we question the sustainability of the all-volunteer force,” said an expert.
June 27, 2022, 3:30 AM CDT
By Courtney Kube and Molly Boigon
Every branch of the U.S. military is struggling to meet its fiscal year 2022 recruiting goals, say multiple U.S. military and defense officials, and numbers obtained by NBC News show both a record low percentage of young Americans eligible to serve and an even tinier fraction willing to consider it.
The officials said the Pentagon’s top leaders are now scrambling for ways to find new recruits to fill out the ranks of the all-volunteer force. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks consider the shortfall a serious issue, said the officials, and have been meeting on it frequently with other leaders.
“This is the start of a long drought for military recruiting,” said Ret. Lt. Gen. Thomas Spoehr of the Heritage Foundation, a think tank. He said the military has not had such a hard time signing recruits since 1973, the year the U.S. left Vietnam and the draft officially ended. Spoehr said he does not believe a revival of the draft is imminent, but “2022 is the year we question the sustainability of the all-volunteer force.”
The pool of those eligible to join the military continues to shrink, with more young men and women than ever disqualified for obesity, drug use or criminal records. Last month, Army Chief of Staff Gen. James McConville testified before Congress that only 23% of Americans ages 17-24 are qualified to serve without a waiver to join, down from 29% in recent years.
An internal Defense Department survey obtained by NBC News found that only 9% of those young Americans eligible to serve in the military had any inclination to do so, the lowest number since 2007.
The survey sheds light on how both Americans’ view of the military and the growing civilian-military divide may also be factors in slumping recruitment, and how public attitudes could cause recruiting struggles for years to come.
More than half of the young Americans who answered the survey — about 57% — think they would have emotional or psychological problems after serving in the military. Nearly half think they would have physical problems.
“They think they’re going to be physically or emotionally broken after serving,” said one senior U.S. military official familiar with the recruiting issues, who believes a lack of familiarity with military service contributes to that perception.
Among Americans surveyed by the Pentagon who were in the target age range for recruiting, only 13% had parents who had served in the military, down from approximately 40% in 1995. The military considers parents one of the biggest influencers for service.
An expert on military personnel policy says that middle class parents, including those who are newly middle class, often encourage their kids to go to college before selecting a career, which hurts recruiting for enlisted personnel. “Changing the mind of parents is the really tough part, particularly if these are parents who worked really hard for their children to go to college,” said Kate Kuzminski from the Center for a New American Security. She noted that recruiting ads increasingly target the parents of potential recruits. “That’s where they’re trying to win the hearts and minds.”
Overall confidence in U.S. government institutions is also decreasing, and that has hit the U.S. military as well. In 2021 the annual Reagan National Defense Survey, conducted by the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation and Institute, found that just 45% of Americans had a great deal of trust and confidence in the military, down 25 points since 2018.
The trend will most likely continue as the overall military shrinks and familiarity with service keeps dropping, say the officials. In 2021, an Army study found that 75% of Americans ages 16-28 knew little to nothing about the Army.
“This recruiting crisis is like a slow-moving wave coming at us,” said one senior defense official involved in recruiting and personnel issues. “As the military has gotten smaller and the public have gotten less and less familiar with those in uniform, it has grown. And Covid accelerated it.”
A Pentagon spokesperson declined to comment.
This year’s numbers so far
The Army has met about 40% of its enlisted recruiting mission for FY22, with just over three months left in the fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30. The final quarter — the summer — is typically when the services recruit the most candidates following high school graduation.
Space Force will also likely make its goal, according to U.S. military officials, but as the newest branch of the military it only looks to recruit about 500 Guardians this fiscal year.
The U.S. Air Force, on the other hand, has to recruit roughly 100 times as many airmen, about 50,000, but is currently more than 4,000 below where it should be at this point in the fiscal year. While the Air National Guard and Reserve are unlikely to meet their goals, the active duty are taking it week to week, according to a senior U.S. military official. “We are hopeful that the active duty will meet their goal. Hopeful, but not certain,” the official said.
The last time the Air Force missed its goal was fiscal 1999, and the last time before that was 1979.
Navy officials, who have been using the summer movie “Top Gun: Maverick” to try to attract recruits, say they hope to ultimately meet their active-duty and overall strength goals.
The active-duty Marine Corps is likely to make its recruiting goals this year. The Marine in charge of manpower, however, recently told Congress that 2022 is “arguably the most challenging recruiting year since the inception of the all-volunteer force.”
The Coast Guard is lagging behind its active-duty numbers for the year. It has met 80% and 93% of its goals for reserves and officers respectively, but has filled only about 55% of its target of 4,200 active-duty enlistments.
How to fix it
To tackle the growing crisis, the Pentagon is reviewing some of the more than 250 disqualifiers for service, including some medical conditions that have historically required recruits to obtain a waiver for service or kept individuals out of uniform completely, according to multiple defense and U.S. military officials.
For example, in the past ailments like asthma and ADHD could disqualify someone from serving if the recruit had symptoms after their 13th or 14th birthdays. But now the Pentagon is reviewing whether individuals who have been asymptomatic for a shorter period of time could join without a waiver.
The military is also discussing allowing service members to use platforms like TikTok to attract recruits. In 2020, President Donald Trump ordered a ban on the use of the social media platform because the Chinese company that owns it collects biometric information on users.
“We have to be where the recruits are, and TikTok is one of the biggest social media platforms in the world,” one defense official involved in personnel issues said.
The Pentagon is also looking to increase recruitment by targeting more influencers like parents, teachers and coaches, by creating recruiting stations with multiple services in them rather than service specific locations, and even moving recruiting offices to better neighborhoods, according to multiple U.S. military and defense officials.
The Pentagon may also put more effort into recruiting eligible DACA recipients, said officials.
Long-term challenges like declining eligibility and trust in the military are only part of the issue, according to defense and U.S. military officials. More recent challenges like a national labor shortage, inflation and the effects of Covid have also affected recruitment. Two years of Covid has led to canceled air shows, a drastic decrease in in-person recruitment efforts, and more people now wanting to work from home.
Kuzminski agrees that Covid hurt recruiting, but adds that another challenge has been political pressure in some school districts not to let recruiters on campuses. Face-to-face meetings can be a powerful incentive to enlist.
Army Secretary Christine Wormuth recently created a recruiting “tiger” team, which meets every two weeks to discuss ways to tackle recruitment.
“The Army, like other services, is facing the most challenging recruiting market in the last 20 years,” Wormuth told NBC News. “I expect these recruiting market headwinds to persist, so the Army must improve how we recruit in this new market environment. In March 2022, the Army began a comprehensive review and analysis of our accessions enterprise, recruiting policy, organizational structure and marketing practices. Recommendations for this review, coupled with other immediate steps we are taking, will help the Army address recruiting challenges and position the Army recruiting for success in the future.”
The Army is offering flexible 2-year to 6-year contracts, duty stations of choice, a program where enlistees can be stationed with their friends, and a $10,000 quick-ship bonus.
Some of the service branches are offering unprecedented bonuses for signing up or re-enlisting, up to $50,000 for certain specialties in the Army, Air Force and the Navy.
But one U.S. military official said bonuses can only help so much. “We can throw money at the problem all we want, but until we change how young people see us in uniform, we are going to struggle to get them to raise their right hands.”
Every branch of the U.S. military is struggling to meet its 2022 recruiting goals, officials say (nbcnews.com)
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CaryC
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Just to be sure.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
If one goes by the last draft, of which I was in, (draft No 35, I joined) there were lots, and I do mean lots, of recruits that were over weight. And the basic I took, got that off of them.
It's strange: We all ate the same food, those who needed to gain weight (like me) did, and those who needed to lose weight did. And some dropped a bunch. More PT Drill SGT!!!!!!
So if they use the type of training I had in Basic and AIT, out of shape isn't a problem. The thing is "if they use it".
I think the main thing will be attitude.
Yes there was a bunch of druggies/smokers in Basic and AIT. BUT they did take orders, run, run, run, drop in the mud, etc.... The tatted up purple hair basement dwellers, may not.
And if they don't all one can do is get rid of them, and then what?
CaryC
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LOL they fight very well. Panama, Nicaragua just to name two. Won't even mention Mexico. (never underestimate your opponent-Poncho, and Santa Anna etc...) I worked with a guy who was a guerilla soldier against the Sandinista Government, once that was nearly over he joined the US Army and got his citizenship through that. And there are lots of others who do it the same way.