Mark D
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ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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What happened yesterday - was not a BLUFF - it was a military response - and something never been done before in war.
The US approval of using SS missiles to hit Russia was not so much for the damage they could do - they don't have that many (50) - it was to call out Russia's Red Lines - was to call out to the World and more importantly in Russia that Putin / Russia is helpless - there is nothing they can do - they are Bluffing. As in chess - you think you have the board in your control - you never see it coming - a move you totally missed - Checkmate
The approval for using NATO missiles to hit Russia - like most US plans - has totally backfired.
Yes - total MSM coverage of Ukraine launching missiles into Russia - "Z' "our missiles talk for us".
Next day 100% reversal - Russia let their missile do their talking - no bluff - a major strike that took world headlines.
Now it is Russia that controls the game - it is likely the US will not want another Russian strike like this - raises questions in the West - why can't we intercept these ??? A question they do not want out there and one they do not want to answer.
Now we wait - next move is up to the US - will they let Ukraine launch more and get a repeat of this PR disaster?
Excellent write up on MoA on this new Russian Missile
Also an extensive overview of the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty and Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty - was more about China than Russia.
As usual good comments
Also an extensive overview of the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty and Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty - was more about China than Russia.
As usual good comments
Oreshnik: Russia's groundbreaking new ballistic missile
Good 10 min video on this new missile and development history
wait-n-see
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Yep, I'm sure who ever spotted this would never get Russian Asians mixed up with North Koreans!
okie-carbine
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Did anybody else see all the transport planes leaving out of southeastern poland this afternoon? Germany, Canada, I don't remember the others, but it was sure odd. I think Russia is about to hit that base, unless it was some big meeting. Rzeszow is the town.
I also saw a faux news report that Russia is going to hit a missile defense base in northern poland, something like 73 miles from Kaliningrad.
My prediction is that Putin hits a few targets tonight, Friday.
This is playing out just like a script.
ETA: Now Italy has a plane flying out of the same airport in Poland that I mentioned. Weird weird.
Here is the Canadian plane:
I also saw a faux news report that Russia is going to hit a missile defense base in northern poland, something like 73 miles from Kaliningrad.
My prediction is that Putin hits a few targets tonight, Friday.
This is playing out just like a script.
ETA: Now Italy has a plane flying out of the same airport in Poland that I mentioned. Weird weird.
Here is the Canadian plane:
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wait-n-see
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Harvest Time, Hiroshima 1945 - Dnipro 2024, Cold Silence Of The West, Military Summary For 2024.11.22
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22 Nov, 2024 ( 1 hour ago )
Grumphau
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I remember reading something about a special "Buryat" aka Russian Mongol unit being set up for the Norks. Yeah they would be pretty well indistinguishable until they start yelling in Korean or eating Kimchi or something.Yep, I'm sure who ever spotted this would never get Russian Asians mixed up with North Koreans!
Old Greek
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At this point I would trust Putin more the FJB!
Personally I can't see Putin hitting a NATO base at this time - no reason - the next "step" is up to the US.
IMHO - if Ukraine (US) does another launch of SS into Russia at a military target - likely Russia will Announce and hit another Ukrainian target. If on the other hand they launch and hit downtown Moscow - YEP - they will hit a NATO base.
I still think their best target would be the Sat uplink and down-link stations - these expensive Sat Dishes are critical and not something readily replaced. Easy to get operators out in time and it is not viewed by most as a "military base"
No way to know what is next - Now We Wait.
mzkitty
I give up.
mzkitty
I give up.
Imagine drones with "SpaceX Defense" painted on them, built at Tesla mega factories by the many, many thousands, powered by AI.
The drones would have a simple mission, "kill all humans within this grid", a grid that covers most of Russia.
Fly back to secure base when munitions are empty, quick rearm and maintenance, then back to it.
The Russians would die in their bunkers turned mass burial tombs. Musk would gladly do it, and Trump would require it through the war powers act. The drones would darken the sky's over Russia for many years, generations.
The country would turn into a vast wilderness, having been reclaimed as it has surrounding Chernobyl.
Russia would be unwise to nuke anyone.
The drones would have a simple mission, "kill all humans within this grid", a grid that covers most of Russia.
Fly back to secure base when munitions are empty, quick rearm and maintenance, then back to it.
The Russians would die in their bunkers turned mass burial tombs. Musk would gladly do it, and Trump would require it through the war powers act. The drones would darken the sky's over Russia for many years, generations.
The country would turn into a vast wilderness, having been reclaimed as it has surrounding Chernobyl.
Russia would be unwise to nuke anyone.
wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
If recent times have proven anything, it is that the “west” being led by the current U.S. is a bully used to beating up small countries and achieving nothing. The west is too stupid to back down.. The U.S. and U.K. Will be left standing alone one day. And that day may come soon
wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
We’d all be dead too, we’d never get to see what the drones did. M.A.D
We would be mostly dead here on CONUS (maybe) but the government will survive, it isn't all in one place nor easy to kill. The one thing the deep state and rest of government all agree upon is survival at any cost.
Laugh at the idea, but it's already in motion. Drone mother ships and AI drones already done.
Tristan
TB Fanatic
Essentially Cyberdyne Systems' Skynet?
Well, if that's the answer, it was a really stupid f****** question.
wait-n-see
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Putin warns ruling elites. Orban/Vucic; Russia not bluffing. BIDEN return nuclear weapons to Ukraine
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Nov 22, 2024
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
I suspect China has this in spades at this very moment
wait-n-see
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West Disarray After Oreshnik Strike, Europe Exposed To Russian Retaliation; ICC Netanyahu Warrant
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Nov 22, 2024
Knoxville's Joker
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LIVE | Putin's Emergency Address To Nation After Hypersonic Missile Attack On Ukraine | Watch
It is a live stream on infinite loop. It is about a 3 minute speach
Summary is FAFO USA. FAFO, we will respond accordingly.
Finer details he lays the ground work this is all the work of the USA and USA systems have to be used to launch those missiles, and missile development continues and they can't hit or take out supersonic missiles and we will start using those, but we would prefer not to if you do the same and that goes for the intermediate and long range missiles as well.
Kind of looks like China is already working on massive group drone swarms - Check out the video 30 sec.
DD Geopolitics
We really hope this is the kind of batch China allegedly (according to Western "intel") delivered to Russia. @DDGeopolitics
t.me
CaryC
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Over in the other thread about Biden giving permission to Ukraine to use missiles, this photo was debunked as a hoax. It is actually reentry of a space craft from Russia, over Russia.
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ICC, Graham warns Justin. Germany, NO arrest Bibi. Putin; more surprises, Oreshnik mass production
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Nov 23, 2024
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Dangerous Escalation: Russia Responds to NATO Strikes with New "Oreshnik" Ballistic Missile
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Nov 23, 2024
Update on the conflict in Ukraine for November 24, 2024…
- Russia has retaliated against the use of Western-manufactured missiles inside Russian territory by firing an intermediate-range ballistic missile with multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles at military industrial targets in eastern Ukraine;
- The missile had previously been prohibited under the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with such missiles constituting the primary means of nuclear exchange between the Soviet Union and NATO in Europe during the Cold War;
- The stark warning comes at a time when Ukrainian forces are rapidly deteriorating and the prospect of a widespread collapse increases;
- US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan has acknowledged that weapon deliveries aren’t Ukraine’s primary problem, but a lack of trained manpower, unrealistically urging Ukraine to mobilize more men;
- The US is attempting to continue exhausting Russia, raising the costs of the conflict as much as possible, including through the possibility of wider direct intervention before Ukrainian forces completely collapse;
- The prospect of Russia and NATO exchanging conventional long-range strikes continues to rise, thus also raising the risk of a nuclear exchange;
References:
BBC - Ukraine front could 'collapse' as Russia gains accelerate, experts warn (Nov. 20, 2024): https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn0...
Rachel Blevins - Putin Confirms Russia Fired New Hypersonic Ballistic Missile at Ukraine Targets (Nov. 22, 2024):
• Putin Confirms Russia Fired New Hyper... Learn From the Base (YouTube) - How the RS-28 Sarmat 'Satan II' Works: The World's Most Powerful ICBM Explained (Oct. 2024):
• How the RS-28 Sarmat 'Satan II' Works... Reuters - Ukraine says Russia has launched over 8,000 missiles, 4,630 drones during war (Feb. 2024): https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/...
Defense UA -Ukraine Won't be Running Short of ATACMS: Production Rates and Stock Estimates https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/uk...
Lockheed Martin - Fast Facts, Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) (2020): https://www.lockheedmartin.com/conten...
PBS News - ‘Kyiv Stands’: Sullivan says U.S. role in defending Ukraine defines Biden’s legacy (Nov. 18, 2024): https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/kyi...
NYT - Ukraine Asks U.S. to Provide More Intelligence on Targets in Russia (May 2024): https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/17/us...
NBC News - Putin says Russia attacked Ukraine with a new missile and threatens Western countries arming Ukraine (Nov. 21, 2024): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ru...
Defense One - What does Russia’s launch of an ‘experimental’ weapon at Ukraine mean for allies? (Nov. 21, 2024): https://www.defenseone.com/threats/20...
Defense News - How companies plan to ramp up production of Patriot missiles (Apr. 2024): https://www.defensenews.com/land/2024...
US Department of Defense - Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine (Nov. 20, 2024): https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases...
US DoD - $800 Million in Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine (Apr. 2022): https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases...
BBC - Anti-landmine groups criticise US for sending mines to Ukraine (Nov. 21, 2024): https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y...
Tristan
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It is such a damned shame that the only adult voice on stage seems to be a former KGB guy.
Europe is afraid their schemes for making Europe the center of the new globalist empire is falling apart.
Since they are mostly all progressive they are incapable of admitting they are wrong.
That leaves the only way forward is to pile more bad decisions on top of the previous bad decisions.
The only way this can be stopped is for Trump to give Europe an ultimatum, it stops or we withdraw from Nato and inform all parties the US is not involved in what happens in Europe.
Europe’s social welfare state with the added burden of the free loading ‘immigrants’ means Europe has no money to finance a defense that can match Russia.
Checkmate. Keep pushing Russia or work for peace.
Since they are mostly all progressive they are incapable of admitting they are wrong.
That leaves the only way forward is to pile more bad decisions on top of the previous bad decisions.
The only way this can be stopped is for Trump to give Europe an ultimatum, it stops or we withdraw from Nato and inform all parties the US is not involved in what happens in Europe.
Europe’s social welfare state with the added burden of the free loading ‘immigrants’ means Europe has no money to finance a defense that can match Russia.
Checkmate. Keep pushing Russia or work for peace.
Harvest Time - Hiroshima 1945 - Dnipro 2024 - Cold Silence Of The West
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
But, you can see the missile going up. Did they reverse the footage, or something?
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
wait-n-see
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Harvest Time, Crazy Attacks On Velyka Novosilka, Darino Has fallen, Military Summary For 2024.11.23
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23 Nov. 2024 ( 3 hours ago )
Knoxville's Joker
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But an amount of their stuff is accurate. The bias makes it hard to sort out what is good or bad information at times though. So be cautious on account of the above...
Jez
Veteran Member
The west, specifically the US, hasn't fought anyone in its weight class since Vietnam and the difficulties there were centered around a guerilla insurgency. When we saw the poor performance of our once sworn enemy we kinda started getting rather full of ourselves. As long as this Russia vs Ukraine thing stays conventional we don't have much to worry about. There is part of me that has deaf ears to Russian cries of "not fair" because they were doing this exact same thing not so long ago. Remember all that arming of the North Koreans and the Vietcong they used to do?
Where this mess gets interesting is when Russia says they have had enough of this bullshit and start popping open the canned sunshine. Everyone knows that once that happens the shit starts to get really real. Personally I don't see Putin stepping over that particular line. He may be evil, but it takes a special kind of evil to be OK with the bloodshed of a few hundred million men, women, and children all over your hands.