ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

blueinterceptor

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I still fail to see Ukraine’s loss as a devastating loss to NATO. Russia is not fighting nato. Russia is not fighting nato equipment, soldiers or tactics. Ukraine kept lobbing artillery shells into a disputed territory. The Ukraine was warned about joining nato and nato was warned about the Ukraine joining. To me it seems that those warnings were not heeded. If they were, then the Ukraine should have bought better equipment, their troops should have been better trained and their numbers should have been increased in size. Even if their army would have consisted of more reserves. Nato if they heeded the warning should have prepared better and had more equipment ready to go. In regards to nukes, Russia is not going to use them until, THEIR border is threatened.
This conflict is going to be resolved by a negotiated diplomatic solution, with the Ukraine becoming a non nato buffer. ZalenskI is not going to get what he wants and the tough talkers in Europe are not going to get what they want.
 

wait-n-see

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Ukraine's Ammunition Crisis Persists as Western Desperation Grows​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjQRF_QcQk4

Run time - 37:10
Apr 7, 2024

Update on the conflict in Ukraine for April 8, 2024…

- Ukrainian forces continue losing territory as arms, ammunition, and manpower shortages continue to grow;

- Ammunition "initiatives" across Europe claiming to have found "millions" of artillery rounds gloss over important factors such as caliber, interoperability, and the condition of rounds held in storage;

- At best, the initiatives will temporarily provide Ukraine with enough ammunition to match previous rates of fire, but other critical shortages will continue to grow meaning the vector sum of the fighting will still favor Russian forces;

- Attempts by the US and Europe to intervene in Ukraine as a means of checking Russian advances may end in even worse defeat for the collective West;

- Attempts by Ukraine to target Russian oil refineries have led Western analysts to falsely conflate fuel export bans with perceived damage and repair efforts;

- Claims that Russia is unable to repair energy production infrastructure are based on the same flawed reasoning that led many Western analysts to assume Russia's military industrial base would be crippled following Western sanctions;

References:

BBC - Barrage of Russian attacks aims to cut Ukraine's lights: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...

The Independent - ‘Building destroyers’: The Russian glide bombs changing the face of the war on Ukraine’s eastern front: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...

Forbes - Estonia Just Found Another Million Shells For Ukraine (April 6, 2024): https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe...

Reuters - NATO pushes for common standards to tackle shortfalls in artillery munitions (June 2023): https://www.reuters.com/business/aero...

WSJ - Ukraine’s ‘Mad Max’ Trawls Swamps and Minefields for Shells (April 6, 2024): https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukra...

Forbes - Ukraine Could Get Millions Of Artillery Shells—And Soon. It’s Getting Its Best Guns Ready To Fire Away (March 29, 2024): https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe...

Financial Times - Yellen warns China of ‘significant consequences’ if its companies support Russia’s war in Ukraine (April 6, 2024): https://www.ft.com/content/ba524406-e...

Washington Post - With no way out of a worsening war, Zelensky’s options look bad or worse (April 6, 2024): https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...

Alexander Mercouris - Rus Storms Chasov Yar, Zelensky No Good Options; China: US Trapped Ukr, US Edgy Iran Attack Israel (April 7, 2024): https://youtu.be/NBWnrggWWKo?si=mIH2A...

Reuters - Exclusive: US sanctions hamper Russian efforts to repair refineries (April 4, 2024): https://www.reuters.com/markets/commo...

NYT - Russia Overcomes Sanctions to Expand Missile Production, Officials Say (September 2023): https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/us...

Reuters - Russian refineries targeted by Ukraine's drones (April 2, 2024): https://www.reuters.com/business/ener...

AJ - Russia orders halt on petrol exports (February 2024): https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2...

CNBC - Russia’s indefinite ban on diesel exports threatens to aggravate a global shortage (September 2023): https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/22/russi...
 

Walrus

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Forbes - Ukraine Could Get Millions Of Artillery Shells—And Soon. It’s Getting Its Best Guns Ready To Fire Away (March 29, 2024): https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe...
Everybody talks about shells (ammunition) but there's a couple other unappreciated issues which need to be taken into account as well. Russia has destroyed so many of Ukraine's artillery units that there is where there's a real shortage - that and the fact that Ukraine hasn't been able to replace their shot-out barrels in a timely way.

I need to have our resident former cannon-cockers chime in on this to ensure my understanding is correct, though. For instance, the US-made M777 much-ballyhooed howitzer barrels get shot out quickly but have to be shipped to Poland to be replaced, as Ukraine doesn't have the required facilities. Even the lower-spec models from NATO (and including Ukraine's remaining ex-Soviet systems) can be field-replaced in Ukraine but there are no facilities in Ukraine to reclaim and recondition the old barrels.

I watched a video of one of Russia's factories showing a barrel reconditioning of their presently-deployed systems, using a machine built in Austria. After watching the process, I am convinced that the original use of that machine was the manufacturer of drill pipe as what I watched was a classic friction welding system which had been repurposed. So they're not building drill pipe for the time being but getting a quick turnaround on reconditioned howitzer barrels. Fair trade in these times.

Anyway, probably not much can be said about accuracy out of old shot-out barrels but that doesn't appear to be Ukraine's purpose in firing random salvos at DPR and Russian cities. Wherever they land, they land.
 

jward

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Housecarl

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Everybody talks about shells (ammunition) but there's a couple other unappreciated issues which need to be taken into account as well. Russia has destroyed so many of Ukraine's artillery units that there is where there's a real shortage - that and the fact that Ukraine hasn't been able to replace their shot-out barrels in a timely way.

I need to have our resident former cannon-cockers chime in on this to ensure my understanding is correct, though. For instance, the US-made M777 much-ballyhooed howitzer barrels get shot out quickly but have to be shipped to Poland to be replaced, as Ukraine doesn't have the required facilities. Even the lower-spec models from NATO (and including Ukraine's remaining ex-Soviet systems) can be field-replaced in Ukraine but there are no facilities in Ukraine to reclaim and recondition the old barrels.

I watched a video of one of Russia's factories showing a barrel reconditioning of their presently-deployed systems, using a machine built in Austria. After watching the process, I am convinced that the original use of that machine was the manufacturer of drill pipe as what I watched was a classic friction welding system which had been repurposed. So they're not building drill pipe for the time being but getting a quick turnaround on reconditioned howitzer barrels. Fair trade in these times.

Anyway, probably not much can be said about accuracy out of old shot-out barrels but that doesn't appear to be Ukraine's purpose in firing random salvos at DPR and Russian cities. Wherever they land, they land.

From a quick search, the M777's barrel is supposed to be good for 2000 to 2500 full charge/max propellent shots. Just to show you how much metallurgy has come, the old M1 155mm "Long Tom" of WW2 and forward had a barrel life of 1500 such rounds.
 

Haybails

When In Doubt, Throttle Out!

Edward Luttwak: Time to Send NATO Troops​


Simplicius The Thinker
Apr 07, 2024

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The weekend’s standout story comes by way of Edward Luttwak, one of the so-called ‘premier military theorists’ in the West, openly calling for NATO intervention in Ukraine, lest the West suffer a “catastrophic defeat”:
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The simple rule should be: "Anyone who proposes sending troops (be they journalist, politician or other) should be the first in line, in uniform with battle gear".

And this should be true world-wide.

HB
 
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wait-n-see

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Veterans of the CIA, army and FBI launch a solemn appeal to Biden: Macron can lead the United States and humanity into nuclear war

April 8th

ALERT MEMORANDUM FOR: President

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Mental Health

SUBJECT: On the brink of nuclear war

Mister President :

France is reportedly preparing to send a force of around 2000 troops – roughly a reinforced brigade built around an armored battalion and two mechanized battalions, with supporting logistics, engineering and artillery troops – to Ukraine in the not so distant future.

This force is purely symbolic, as it would have no survivability in a modern high-intensity conflict of the scale of what is happening in Ukraine today. It would not be deployed directly in a conflict zone, but would serve either as

(1) screening force/trip wire to stop Russian advance; Or

(2) replacement force deployed to a non-active area to free Ukrainian soldiers for combat. The French brigade would be supplemented by smaller units from the Baltic States.

This would amount to introducing the combat troops of a NATO country into a theater of war, making them “legitimate targets” under the laws of war.

Such units apparently do not have a NATO mandate. However, in Russia's view, this may be a distinction without a difference. France appears to be betting – naively – that its NATO membership would prevent Russia from attacking French troops. Rather, it is very likely that Russia would attack any French/Baltic contingent in Ukraine and quickly destroy/degrade its combat viability.

In this case, French President Macron could calculate that after the Russian attacks on the troops of NATO members – NATO mandate or not – he could invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter and make intervene the NATO alliance. Such intervention would likely take the form of aircraft operating from NATO countries – and perhaps include interdiction missions against targets in Russia.

On the precipice of nuclear war?

From a doctrinal and legal point of view, Russia's response would be to launch retaliatory strikes also against targets located in NATO countries. If NATO then attacks targets in Russia, Russian nuclear doctrine would then take over and NATO decision centers would be hit with nuclear weapons.

We do not believe that Russia will launch a nuclear attack against the United States, but rather we leave it up to the United States to decide whether it wants to risk destruction by preparing to launch a nuclear strike against Russia. That said, Russia's strategic forces have improved to the point that in some areas – hypersonic missiles, for example – their capabilities exceed those of the United States and NATO.

In other words, the Russian temptation to strike first is perhaps a little stronger than in past crises, and we are a little less convinced that Russia will want to “go second.”

Another worrying factor is that Russians are likely to believe that Macron's madness enjoys the tacit approval of some key US and Western officials, who appear desperate to find a way to change the trajectory of the war in Ukraine - especially as the elections approach.

What needs to be done

Europe must understand that France is leading it on the path to inevitable self-destruction.

The American people must understand that Europe is leading them to the brink of nuclear annihilation.

Since Russian leaders may suspect that Macron is working hand in hand with Washington, the United States must publicly and unambiguously express its position.

And if France and the Baltics insist on sending troops to Ukraine, it must also be made clear that such action has no NATO mandate; that Article 5 will not be triggered by Russian retaliation; and that the U.S. nuclear arsenal, including nuclear weapons that are part of NATO's deterrent, will not be used as a result of Russian military action against French or Baltic troops.

Without such clarity, France would lead the American people down the path to a nuclear conflict that would decidedly not be in the interests of the American people – or of humanity itself.

For the steering group, veteran health intelligence professionals

  • William Binney, former Technical Director, Global Geopolitical and Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)
  • Richard Black, former Virginia state senator; Colonel, United States (retired); Former Head of the Criminal Law Division, Judge Advocate General (Associate VIP)
  • Marshall Carter Tripp, Foreign Service Officer (retired) and former Bureau Director in the Department of State's Bureau of Intelligence and Research
  • Bogdan Dzaković, Former Federal Air Marshals and Red Team Chief, FAA Security, (Retired) (Associate VIP)
  • Graham E. Fuller, Vice Chairman, National Intelligence Council (retired)
  • Philippe Girardi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)
  • Matthew Hoh, Former Captain, USMC, Iraq and Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan (Associate VIP)
  • James George Jatras, former American diplomat and former foreign policy advisor to the Senate leadership (Associate VIPS)
  • Larry C. Johnson, former CIA and State Department counterterrorism officer
  • John Kiriakou, former CIA counterterrorism officer and former senior investigator for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
  • Karen Kwiatkowski, former U.S. Air Force lieutenant colonel (ret.), in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, observing the fabrication of lies about Iraq, 2001-2003
  • Douglas MacGregor, Colonel, United States (Ret.) (Associate VIP)
  • Ray mcgovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer and CIA analyst; CIA Presidential Briefer (retired)
  • Elizabeth Murray, former Deputy National Intelligence Officer for the Middle East, National Intelligence Council and CIA political analyst (retired)
  • Todd E. Pierce, MAJ, U.S. Army Judge Advocate (Ret.)
  • Pedro Israel Orta, former CIA and intelligence community officer (Inspector General)
  • Scott Knight, former MAJ, USMC; former UN weapons inspector, Iraq
  • Coleen Rowley, FBI Special Agent and former Minneapolis Division Legal Counsel (retired)
  • Laurent Wilkerson, Colonel USA, retired), Visiting Professor Emeritus, College of William and Mary (VIPS Associate)
  • Sarah G. Wilton, CDR, USNR, (ret.); Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.)
  • Kirk Wiebe, former principal analyst, SIGINT Automation Research Center, NSA
  • Robert Aile, former foreign service officer (VIPS associate)
  • Ann Wright, a retired U.S. Army reserve colonel and former U.S. diplomat who resigned in 2003 to oppose the Iraq War.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Don't usually post PR war videos - but this is an excellent example of what Ukraine is facing in Chasov Yar (and elsewhere on the front) without any AD systems.
Effectively their troops are just targets for the 250kg > 1500kg bombs hitting their positions - nothing they can do.
BTW - best with music off (2 min)

 
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jward

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Abert

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View: https://youtu.be/ljzoYSQqs4U?si=9MgZvl3mUU2IsBsB

3:26 minutes

Videos of Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian oil refineries. 15 percent loss of oil production; repairs hampered by sanctions.
Well on this issue we can reference - 100% pure Propaganda or independent industry and business reports.
If Ukraine could attack dozens PER DAY for weeks / months then yes they would have an impact.
However these - one offs - with BIG FIRE but minor overall damage are nothing more then PR STUNTS.
Yes some capacity is down for a few weeks - but quickly is back online - no impact to their war effort - no impact to their exports - no impact to domestic use.
Russia's energy sector is NOT going to colipase causing Russia to surrender - just pure fantasy. But these PROPAGANADA operations are paid well to push these video out - I am sure you can find a lot more.

As posed the other day.
On Exports:
From the top Industry publication on oil and oil markets - zero spin - just facts.

On servicing their refineries

On income

More detail

Despite the increased intensity of these strikes, experts who spoke to The Moscow Times agree that their impact on the Russian economy has so far been negligible.

According to experts, it is unlikely that the Russian military will experience a fuel shortage in the foreseeable future.
“The [fuel] supply for the front is the priority for the Russian government,” oil and gas analyst Mikhail Krutikin told The Moscow Times.

The attacks are also unlikely to lead to domestic shortages. According to official data from the Russian Energy Ministry, the country’s diesel production was twice as high as domestic demand in March. The gasoline surplus capacity was about 20-25% before the attacks, according to estimates by oil and gas expert Sergey Vakulenko.

“Even in a scenario where they take down all these refineries [within Ukraine’s attack range], Russia would still have enough fuel to supply the army, public transports and agriculture,” said Vakulenko.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Despite all the SPIN on NATO methods vs Russian methods of fighting - in the end there is not much difference.
Once you obtain Air Dominance the methods and results are the same. No need for infantry to attack defended positions - instead they can advance effectively unopposed. Defending troops attempting to hold and being hit by bombs only have two options - fall back or remain as targets. Zero ways for them to oppose the air attacks or fight back.
Unfortunately reports are coming in that troops in Chasov Yar are being ordered to NOT fall back - likely for no other reason than BAD OPTICS.

This video (and others) indicate that there is so little to none of even short range AD systems and that Russian jets are free to fly directly over the city. As has often been suggested the Ukrainian army should fall back to better positions that can provide some AD - but the politics prevent the most logical military action. As a result likely 10's of thousands will die for no other reason than to delay by a few weeks the Russian advance - and somehow try to SPIN that as some type of win.
 

von Koehler

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Interesting new "TANK" spotted in drone video. Also appears to have a new drone shield - appears to be a mine clearing unit.
View attachment 469374

Seethe Cage Mine Clearing Tank | Ukraine Withdraws From Pervomaiske & Bohdanivka​

Updates from the front and info on this tank at the 1:27 mark (10 min)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT7UWgc9t4w

2:56 minutes

View: https://youtu.be/9WTn-RJC9VQ?si=m_RlorDqCWKYfYj-

What this is really. Hardly a wonder weapon.

ETA: this tank has already been destroyed by Ukrainians.
 
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Abert

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mecoastie

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View: https://youtu.be/paku4TD5MjU?si=JFUNPacHnmos1LWb

3;19 minutes

Europa finds more shells for Ukraine as America loses more influence
Estonia didnt find them. They found potential sources for them that they want the EU to buy from them similar to the Czech deal. Most of these shells are to be produced and arent going to magically appear any time soon.

Right now any country with any capability of producing 155 and 152mm artillery shells is doing so at max or near max capacity.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Estonia didnt find them. They found potential sources for them that they want the EU to buy from them similar to the Czech deal. Most of these shells are to be produced and arent going to magically appear any time soon.

Right now any country with any capability of producing 155 and 152mm artillery shells is doing so at max or near max capacity.
Not only that but they want "Someone" to come up with around 2 Billion Euros to cover the cost - they are acting more as a middleman - and I am sure they will take a cut for their efforts. In addition Ukraine is also getting short on artillery to use them. Not sure where they will find sellers as the US has been shopping around the world also looking for some as well.
The announcement makes good headlines - what would be more impressive would be actual delivery,
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Well it does provide something for Ukraine's new "volunteers" heading to the frontline trenches.
More than 5,000 AK-47 rifles, machine guns, sniper rifles and rocket launchers, as well as more than 500,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition, were transferred to the Ukrainian armed forces on April 4, according to CENTCOM.

This is not the first time the U.S. has transferred confiscated Iranian military equipment to Ukraine. In October, it sent approximately 1.1 million 7.62mm rounds of ammunition, according to the Department of Justice.
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
Well it does provide something for Ukraine's new "volunteers" heading to the frontline trenches.
More than 5,000 AK-47 rifles, machine guns, sniper rifles and rocket launchers, as well as more than 500,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition, were transferred to the Ukrainian armed forces on April 4, according to CENTCOM.

This is not the first time the U.S. has transferred confiscated Iranian military equipment to Ukraine. In October, it sent approximately 1.1 million 7.62mm rounds of ammunition, according to the Department of Justice.

The "unknown" of this transfer is how much will quickly end up being for sale on the international black market once it gets to Ukraine.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Well it does provide something for Ukraine's new "volunteers" heading to the frontline trenches.
More than 5,000 AK-47 rifles, machine guns, sniper rifles and rocket launchers, as well as more than 500,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition, were transferred to the Ukrainian armed forces on April 4, according to CENTCOM.

This is not the first time the U.S. has transferred confiscated Iranian military equipment to Ukraine. In October, it sent approximately 1.1 million 7.62mm rounds of ammunition, according to the Department of Justice.
Hmmm.......5,000 rifles, = 5 days worth in the ''Meat Grinder''.
 

Abert

Veteran Member

How American Drones Failed to Turn the Tide in Ukraine​

Link: MSN

The Silicon Valley company Skydio sent hundreds of its best drones to Ukraine to help fight the Russians. Things didn’t go well.

Skydio’s drones flew off course and were lost, victims of Russia’s electronic warfare.
The company has since gone back to the drawing board to build a new fleet.

Most small drones from U.S. startups have failed to perform in combat, dashing companies’ hopes that a badge of being battle-tested would bring the startups sales and attention. It is also bad news for the Pentagon, which needs a reliable supply of thousands of small, unmanned aircraft.

The general reputation for every class of U.S. drone in Ukraine is that they don’t work as well as other systems,” Skydio Chief Executive Adam Bry said, calling his own drone “not a very successful platform on the front lines.”
 
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