ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Jun 6, 2023
RFE/RL crews captured the first signs of flooding in the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson after a major dam occupied by Russian forces was breached on June 6. As mass evacuations began, a senior Ukrainian official said water levels would reach "critical levels" within hours.


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Water Rising To 'Critical' Levels, Says Ukrainian Official After Dam Break

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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
NATO laying the CYA groundwork for any type of intervention\retaliation against Russia for breaking IHL Additional Protocol I of 1977 Articles 15, 51, and 56. They almost meet the requirements except for 1 important statement “and consequent severe losses among the civilian population”

Article 15 - Protection of works and installations containing dangerous forces
Works or installations containing dangerous forces, namely dams, dykes and nuclear electrical generating stations, shall not be made the object of attack, even where these objects are military objectives, if such attack may cause the release of dangerous forces and consequent severe losses among the civilian population.


Other articles 51 and 56 state the same.

If it happens or if they determine/interpret “severe losses among the civilian population” has occurred then all these Articles of IHL will be deemed broken paving a way for intervention.
Kosovo playbook with a much bigger dance partner.

Yeah. The legal short hand term is "responsibility to protect" and it can be stretched as far as domestic politics will allow.

Since the Russians occupied the dam (never mind that captured nuclear power plant), they were responsible for whatever happens and preventative actions to preserve non-combatant civilian lives and even property and environmental damage.

There are over 10,000 lawyers at the Pentagon, never mind the DNC, available to figure out justification for every possible move available to the Biden triumvirate in Ukraine and elsewhere.
 
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Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Here's some factual background.
The question is really simple, who benefits the most by destroying the dam?
The side invading or the side defending?
On June 6th, the ''Day of the Counter-Offensive''.

Now in the information war, each side will try to blame each other, but the dam was filmed by cameras 24/7 and the explosion would have been filmed instantly, which means it does not exist.
There is no actual video of the explosion of the hydroelectric power station, despite the visual control, which forces the Western media to change their approach to covering the topic.
Interesting point that there's NO video coverage of a bomb. Melodi's Daily Mail article says it was blown up "From the Inside"-- I suppose therefore trying to indicate that whoever did it was attempting to "hide" what they were doing from the cameras.
 

Red Baron

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Interesting point that there's NO video coverage of a bomb. Melodi's Daily Mail article says it was blown up "From the Inside"-- I suppose therefore trying to indicate that whoever did it was attempting to "hide" what they were doing from the cameras.
I seriously doubt any kind of artillery would do serious structural damage to a bridge or dam of that size.

One would need hundreds upon hundreds of pounds of explosives. That means either a precision air strike or explosives manually placed in and on the structure.

Since possession is 9/10ths of the law, it should be pretty obvious Russia blew it up.
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
The consequences of the undermining of the Kakhovskaya dam for Energodar and the Zaporozhye NPP:

1) At the moment, the Kiev regime continues to discharge a large volume water from the Dnepro HPP.

2) Nonetheless, the water levels in Novaya Kakhovka are reported to have stabilized and are no longer increasing (same cannot be said for elsewhere along the river).

3) There has been some speculation that the dropping water levels in the Kakhovskoye Reservoir (see first map) would open up the path to a Ukrainian offensive on Energodar and the Zaporozhye NPP from the Nikopol-Ilyinka line (see second map).

4) This is highly unlikely. The Reservoir will definitely not dry out completely, and the sinking water levels will result in kilometres of the Reservoir along the southern shore becoming a wading pool.

5) As a result, an amphibious landing would still be required, but would be rendered impossible by large swaths of water area becoming impassible to boats and landing craft.

6) While the higher elevation of the right (northern) bank of the Dnepr (see third map) likely makes the launch of the boats possible regardless of the drop in the water levels, the lower left (southern) bank will be bordered by a significant area of water that the Ukrainian troops would have to wade through on foot, making them easy targets for the Russian artillery and the airforce.

After puzzling for some time as to the Ukrainian goals in precipitating the dam’s undermining, I am left with two possibilities:

A) It was an accident.
B) It was intended a means of terminating the standoff along the Kherson portion of the Dnepr, so that neither side could threaten the other. This would release the Ukrainian troops stationed here to be redeployed to the Zaporozhye front, where they are needed. Same, however, can be said for the Russian Army.

I favour the second explanation. We’ll see who gets their troops faster to where they are needed.


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Boomer Sooner

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Titled “Inside the Ukrainian counteroffensive that shocked Putin and reshaped the war”, its journalists quoted former commander of November’s Kherson Counteroffensive Major General Andrey Kovalchuk who shockingly admitted to planning this war crime:

“Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages. The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off.”

"His remark about how “the step remained a last resort” is pertinent to recall at present considering that the first phase of Kiev’s NATO–backed counteroffensive completely failed on Monday according to the Russian Ministry of Defense. Just like Ukraine launched its proxy invasion of Russia in late May to distract from its loss in the Battle of Artyomovsk, so too might does it seem to have gone through with Kovalchuk’s planned war crime to distract from this most recent embarrassment as well."

"The abovementioned explanation isn’t as far-fetched as some might initially think either. After all, one of complexity theory’s precepts is that initial conditions at the onset of non-linear processes can disproportionately shape the outcome. In this context, the first failed phase of Kiev’s counteroffensive risked ruining the entire campaign, which could have prompted its planners to employ Kovalchuk’s “last resort” in order to introduce an unexpected variable into the equation that might improve their odds." (less 50%)
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
The ukies attacked with no air or artillery support. Wide open to ABSOLUTE RUSSIAN
superiority. The ukies are being massacred.
Go to Mercolis and hear what he lists 109 armored vehicles destroyed, 28 tanks destroyed The list goes over the last 48 to 72 hours.

I would sit in an M-60 tank from time to time as a medic treating some body I KNOW what it feels like. The smell and the near clausrophobia and being like in a steel coffin. Zippy has doomed them to a miserable death of scalding hydraulic fluid and red hot scrapnel.
G$%%dam zippy and the globalists to hell and the lake of fire for MURDERING the ukies to no point.
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
If so we will lobbing nukes by friday. The dam may have have also been a diversion. Finally, the globists may just let them get butchered. Send troops into Estonia like they asked for yesterday.

And today is D-Day 1944. Wow.

If that's going to happen it won't be limited to the Ukrainian theater of operations but all aspects of Russian strategic forces and likely while their at it those of the CCP/PLA, Iran and the DPRK because of their treaty obligations and because, well why not.....
 

raven

TB Fanatic
When one considers the size of that reservoir and the amount of water behind it and the economic impact,

blowing the ZNPP is not out of the question.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
If the Ukrainians can't get any forward momentum, then the only thing left is direct participation of NATO troops.
And the Poles have taken care of that, being there already (besides all the "advisors" and "trainers" from the rest of NATO.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
What an asshole.

He conveniently forgets last summer when the Ukies were threatening to destroy that dam (and sent some HIMARS to see if they would do the job, which they thankfully couldn't), the Russians were in control of Kherson City. When they saw things deteriorating, they evacuated everyone they could, whether the Khersonites wanted to go to Russia or west to Ukraine. (most people went to Russia but that's neither here nor there at this juncture) The asshole wants us to have as short a memory as he does about the circumstances while tugging at heart strings.

There were more than a few people who refused to leave, and like the guy says, most of them were old folks who didn't want to leave their homes.

They shoulda left when they had a ride out of town. Sucks to be them right now, for sure, especially with the Ukies releasing lots more water from the upstream dams now to get the water levels as high as possible and blame the Russians for it.

There's evil afoot and it's getting worse every day. And we keep piling money into the place to keep the laundromat going while we blame everyone else.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Interesting - coming out today - Ukraine took out the NS pipeline - been running on FOX "News" with a major article in the NY POST:
Also Washington Post (pay wall)

Two key items - they are back to the 6 Ukrainians story - and on Fox talking how this has caused Germany economic costs.

When US MSM - from Left to Right are all pushing the same story - there is a reason!

Could be setting the stage for the US Exit or part of the DC Establishment is trying to keep this from going NATO Hot?
Going to be a wild few weeks!
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I honestly think Putin has had enough and the dam is the final straw. Given the amount of global firepower swanning around preening like peacocks it wouldn't take much to trigger a firestorm, Housecarl

. I reread that list of Buluva nuke missles: 6 subs can fire 100 warheads with 550 kilo tons for each warhead.
Each 550 kiloton warhead equals 35 Hiroshima explosions. What would nyc look like after ONE missile strike.
 
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