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US Threatens Missiles, Jets, and now Crimea, US Sees (Seeks) War with China by 2025​


Runtime - 51:54

Jan 31, 2023
Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for February 1, 2023 + US and its potential war with China by 2025.

- Western media begins preparing public for the fall of Bakhmut;

- Recent Ukrainian losses is being used to call for more weapon shipments to Ukraine including calls for missiles and jets;

- Arms shipments are being accompanied by calls for arming Ukraine for taking Crimea;

- A 2013 US government-funded poll found that most people in Crimea identify as Russian or Crimean (not Ukrainian) and a majority leaned in favor of associating with Russia, not the EU;

- Announced arms shipments and threats toward Crimea represents the West's attempt to find leverage over Russia as Ukraine suffers growing setbacks on the battlefield;

- At the same time, the US appears to be preparing for war with China over Taiwan;

- The US is out of time in terms of encircling and containing both Russia and China, forcing it to commit to increasingly reckless policies to achieve its objectives;

References:
Newsweek - Zelensky Tells U.S. to 'Speed Up' as Russia Makes Gains in Bakhmut: https://www.newsweek.com/volodymyr-ze...
Reuters - Biden says no F-16s for Ukraine as Russia claims gains: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/...
CNN - Ukraine is relying on Soviet-era tanks to hold the line until Western reinforcements arrive: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/30/eu...
George Galloway (YouTube) - Interview with Mike Jones: https://youtu.be/M1wOPKhpydY
Mike Jones on iEarlGrey (YouTube): https://www.youtube.com/@iEarlGreyTV/...
US Department of Defense - Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh Holds a Press Briefing Jan. 26, 2023: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcri...
Foreign Affairs - How to Get a Breakthrough in Ukraine: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukrain...
Foreign Policy - Why Crimea Is Not a Bridge Too Far: https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/30/...
USAID and International Republican Institute - Public Opinion Survey Residents of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea May 16 – 30, 2013: https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/pnaec7...
TIME Magazine - The Next Debate Over Arming Ukraine Is Here—and It’s About Fighter Jets: https://time.com/6251180/ukraine-figh...
CSIS - Russian Air and Missile Defense: https://missilethreat.csis.org/system...
NYT - Opinion Time is not on Ukraine’s side: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...
Washington Post - Why is a U.S. general predicting war with China by 2025?: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...
US Department of State - U.S. Relations With Taiwan: https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-w...
Alexander Mercouris - WSJ Admits Bakhmut Almost Cut Off, Russia Pushes Forward Vuhledar; US Military Wants End Ukraine War: https://youtu.be/psLmxw45cus
 

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US general warns British Army no longer top-level fighting force, defence sources reveal​


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Jan 29, 2023

A senior US general has privately told Defence Secretary Ben Wallace and other officials the British Army is no longer regarded as a top-level fighting force, military sources have revealed. They said this decline in war-fighting capability - following decades of cuts to save money - needed to be reversed faster than planned in the wake of Russia's war in Ukraine. "Bottom line... it's an entire service unable to protect the UK and our allies for a decade," one of the defence sources said.
 

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Russia's Bakhmut Ring Tightens, UK MSM Admits Russia Close to Chasov Yar, Russia Advances Vuhledar​


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Jan 31, 2023

(helps to listen at speed 1.5)

(from comments)
TIME STAMPS
- Battlefront 00:00
- TAS on Chasov Yar 02:31
- Telegraph article: Ukraine operational issues 04:12
- Ukraine military still reinforcing positions 08:25
- Rogow report: Zaporozhye region 11:20
- Again Rogow: Marinowka 18:00
- Dog's take on Rogow comment 18:30
- British MoD about Russian advance 22:00
- Chris Hedges Article: War is going wrong 30:15
- Tanks, Take 163 aaand Action 41:00
- Moon of Alabama article: Iraq parallels 44:00
- Naked Capitalism article: 51:40
- IMF: Russian economy returns to 0.3% growth 53:40
- Coerced mobilization in Ukraine 59:40
 

wait-n-see

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The Russians are fighting the war the way they want too, not the western way or the way the west demands they fight.

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Thanks goodness for those sanctions! They are really socking it to those nasty Russians, eh?

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Another interesting interview from someone over there.

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Is it even possible the USA elite is really surprised at this?

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Oreally

Right from the start

US Threatens Missiles, Jets, and now Crimea, US Sees (Seeks) War with China by 2025​


Runtime - 51:54

Jan 31, 2023
Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for February 1, 2023 + US and its potential war with China by 2025.

- Western media begins preparing public for the fall of Bakhmut;

- Recent Ukrainian losses is being used to call for more weapon shipments to Ukraine including calls for missiles and jets;

- Arms shipments are being accompanied by calls for arming Ukraine for taking Crimea;

- A 2013 US government-funded poll found that most people in Crimea identify as Russian or Crimean (not Ukrainian) and a majority leaned in favor of associating with Russia, not the EU;

- Announced arms shipments and threats toward Crimea represents the West's attempt to find leverage over Russia as Ukraine suffers growing setbacks on the battlefield;

- At the same time, the US appears to be preparing for war with China over Taiwan;

- The US is out of time in terms of encircling and containing both Russia and China, forcing it to commit to increasingly reckless policies to achieve its objectives;

References:
Newsweek - Zelensky Tells U.S. to 'Speed Up' as Russia Makes Gains in Bakhmut: https://www.newsweek.com/volodymyr-ze...
Reuters - Biden says no F-16s for Ukraine as Russia claims gains: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/...
CNN - Ukraine is relying on Soviet-era tanks to hold the line until Western reinforcements arrive: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/30/eu...
George Galloway (YouTube) - Interview with Mike Jones: https://youtu.be/M1wOPKhpydY
Mike Jones on iEarlGrey (YouTube): https://www.youtube.com/@iEarlGreyTV/...
US Department of Defense - Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh Holds a Press Briefing Jan. 26, 2023: https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcri...
Foreign Affairs - How to Get a Breakthrough in Ukraine: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukrain...
Foreign Policy - Why Crimea Is Not a Bridge Too Far: https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/01/30/...
USAID and International Republican Institute - Public Opinion Survey Residents of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea May 16 – 30, 2013: https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/pnaec7...
TIME Magazine - The Next Debate Over Arming Ukraine Is Here—and It’s About Fighter Jets: https://time.com/6251180/ukraine-figh...
CSIS - Russian Air and Missile Defense: https://missilethreat.csis.org/system...
NYT - Opinion Time is not on Ukraine’s side: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...
Washington Post - Why is a U.S. general predicting war with China by 2025?: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...
US Department of State - U.S. Relations With Taiwan: https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-w...
Alexander Mercouris - WSJ Admits Bakhmut Almost Cut Off, Russia Pushes Forward Vuhledar; US Military Wants End Ukraine War: https://youtu.be/psLmxw45cus
can you put a space between the links going forward?

makes it easier to do the quick mental calc whether to hit it
 

wait-n-see

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What is starting, when?

The retired Russian Colonel-General said all this a year ago, Feb of 2022.

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Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov: 76% Of Retired Officers Supported My Statement
8.02.2022, 13:23 (this date is the day/month/year format)

The Russian general opposed the war with Ukraine and called on Putin to resign.


Retired Russian Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov declaimed against Russia's war with Ukraine. The officer, known for his pro-Soviet and patriotic views, made his statement as the Chairman of the All-Russian Officers' Meeting.

He assessed the risks and consequences of a military invasion, blamed the escalation on President Putin and demanded his resignation on the air of the Echo of Moscow.

- This is an anti-war statement. 76% of our respondents, our colleagues from Russia supported it unequivocally. Some of them asked to soften something, and some, on the contrary, to tighten it, not only to resign, but also to bring to justice, and so on. This version was signed and I signed as well.

Recall that the Chairman of the All-Russian Officers' Assembly, Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, addressed the Russian military and Putin:

- We, the officers of Russia, demand from the President of the Russian Federation to abandon the criminal policy of provoking a war in which the Russian Federation will be alone against the combined forces of the West, and we demand to create conditions for the implementation of Art. 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and to resign.

We appeal to all military retirees and citizens of Russia with a recommendation to be vigilant, organized, support the demands of the Council of the All-Russian Officers' Assembly, actively oppose propaganda that is unleashing a war, and prevent an internal civil conflict with the use of military force.

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for those who know Russian, this is the link for the actual letter written by the retired Russian officer last year. open letter by retired Col. Gen. Leonid Ivashov posted on the website of the All-Russian Officers’ Assembly
It is still posted there.

Got the link above from a Slate story about this from last year.
The Quiet Signs That Russia’s Elites Are Deeply Divided on Ukraine
By Fred Kaplan
Feb 11, 2022

Also a NY post story covering this:
Former top Russian general warns Putin against ‘criminal’ Ukraine invasion
By Mark Moore
February 7, 2022

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took me only a few minutes to google the general's statement to find he made these statements a year ago.
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
from that rabid leftist rag newsmax


Former Putin Speechwriter Predicts Coup Next Year​


Vladimir Putin might be facing a military coup within the next year, fueled by the state of the economy and the unpopularity of the war in Ukraine, a former speechwriter for the Russian president said.

Abbas Gallyamov, a political commentator who worked previously as Putin's speechwriter, told CNN the Russian president could soon be swept away by a rising tide of opposition to the war.

"The Russian economy is deteriorating," Gallyamov said. "The war is lost. There are more and more dead bodies returning to Russia, so Russians will be coming across more difficulties and they’ll be trying to find explanation why this is happening, looking around to the political process and they’ll be answering themselves: 'Well, this is because our country is governed by an old tyrant, an old dictator.'"

"A military coup will become possible" as Russians come to grips with this reality, Gallyamov claimed.

"So in one year when the political situation changes and there’s a really hated unpopular president at the head of the country and the war is really unpopular, and they need to shed blood for this, at this moment, a coup becomes a real possibility."

While Russia is slated to hold a presidential election in 2024, Gallyamov said he thinks Putin may cancel the elections if the war does not end favorably for him.

"Judging by his actions, when he is escalating on something without necessity, he might really cancel the elections," Gallyamov said. "Without victory over Ukraine, he'll face difficulty with the Russians. Russians don't need him if he's not strong. He might really declare the martial law and cancel the elections."

Geopolitical strategist Alp Sevimlisoy warned earlier this month that the faltering war in Ukraine has become a liability for Putin, as many within the Kremlin are eager to replace the Russian president.

According to Benzinga, Sevimlisoy said coups are developing within the government and are bent on removing Putin from power.

In a sign that the Ukraine campaign may be faltering, Russia has named a new commander for its military forces for the second time in just three months.

Western allies have recently galvanized their support for Ukraine, with the United States and Germany both pledging to send tanks to the embattled country.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
What is starting, when?

The retired Russian Colonel-General said all this a year ago, Feb of 2022.

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Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov: 76% Of Retired Officers Supported My Statement
8.02.2022, 13:23 (this date is the day/month/year format)

The Russian general opposed the war with Ukraine and called on Putin to resign.


Retired Russian Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov declaimed against Russia's war with Ukraine. The officer, known for his pro-Soviet and patriotic views, made his statement as the Chairman of the All-Russian Officers' Meeting.

He assessed the risks and consequences of a military invasion, blamed the escalation on President Putin and demanded his resignation on the air of the Echo of Moscow.

- This is an anti-war statement. 76% of our respondents, our colleagues from Russia supported it unequivocally. Some of them asked to soften something, and some, on the contrary, to tighten it, not only to resign, but also to bring to justice, and so on. This version was signed and I signed as well.

Recall that the Chairman of the All-Russian Officers' Assembly, Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, addressed the Russian military and Putin:

- We, the officers of Russia, demand from the President of the Russian Federation to abandon the criminal policy of provoking a war in which the Russian Federation will be alone against the combined forces of the West, and we demand to create conditions for the implementation of Art. 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and to resign.

We appeal to all military retirees and citizens of Russia with a recommendation to be vigilant, organized, support the demands of the Council of the All-Russian Officers' Assembly, actively oppose propaganda that is unleashing a war, and prevent an internal civil conflict with the use of military force.

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for those who know Russian, this is the link for the actual letter written by the retired Russian officer last year. open letter by retired Col. Gen. Leonid Ivashov posted on the website of the All-Russian Officers’ Assembly
It is still posted there.

Got the link above from a Slate story about this from last year.
The Quiet Signs That Russia’s Elites Are Deeply Divided on Ukraine
By Fred Kaplan
Feb 11, 2022

Also a NY post story covering this:
Former top Russian general warns Putin against ‘criminal’ Ukraine invasion
By Mark Moore
February 7, 2022

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took me only a few minutes to google the general's statement to find he made these statements a year ago.
Wait-n-See, thanks for posting the links for other sources.
Another view-point of the Russian military expressing their opinion of the dangers of the SMO operation.
''Russian Col. Gen. Leonid Ivashov (pre invasion) rejected Putin’s claim that NATO poses a threat to Russia’s vital interests''.
Hmmm..........
 
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vector7

Dot Collector
If Communist China was “partnered” with 46 bioweapon research labs right across our border in Mexico, what do you think the United States would do?

Send trillions of dollars to Guatemala to fund a proxy war?
View: https://twitter.com/MyWillowMemes/status/1620431476822282246?t=sqZaaiCRHWAfhcqH9Sc3Cg&s=19

There are (Chinese labs) in Mexico, only they're fentanyl labs, not bioweapons labs.

That’s the CIA partnership with China. Heroin is too much of a mess to produce for them anymore. Weird how we left Afghanistan shortly after we switched from Heroin to Fentanyl. What a coincidence (we have open borders the Cartels now run).

And why we're force switching from gas cars to EV cars and batteries/tech/parts all come from China.

More coincidence
View: https://twitter.com/IssaDegen/status/1620431837746311168?t=CK3sDX9wExxGpHVMol--Kw&s=19
 
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Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee

The West prepares army to invade Russia​

31.01.2023 16:33
World
The West, together with Ukraine, quickly forms a strike corps in order to enter Crimea or cut off the Donbass from Russia.

The Russian Army currently has the 1st Guards Tank Army, tank divisions, but only with part of the potential of the armoured formations of the Red Army. This is not enough for a breakthrough.

The special military operation has revealed that the Russian Army needs the following:

  • small and combat UAVs;
  • modern secure means of communication;
  • modified and combat-tested elements of ammunition and equipment;
  • electronic combat control systems in the theater of operations, taking into account intelligence communications, instantaneous interaction of tanks, artillery, airborne forces and infantry.
TopWar experts suggest considering the situation with the enemy:

  • Kyiv will have a mobile strike unit consisting of tanks (Leopards, Abrams and Challengers, possibly Leclercs).
  • The Armed Forces of Ukraine will also have armoured personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and self-propelled guns and a number of different anti-aircraft missile systems.
  • NATO military will arrive in Ukraine.
  • The Armed Forces of Ukraine catch survivors and those who previously dodged the mobilisation in order to use them to break through the first line of defence by summer.
  • Ukraine is preparing Soviet equipment (supplied from Europe) to take on possible counterattacks by the Russian troops.
According to TopWar, NATO groups will go for the breakthrough against the backdrop of distracting attacks in other directions.

After that, the surviving Ukrainians will get more tanks, artillery, airplanes to attack the Russians again.

To date, Russia has at warehouses from 10,000 to 11,000 tanks of various types and different times of manufacture. After modernisation, tanks return to service outfitted with modern thermal imagers, night sights, mounted armour, additional protection against missile systems and grenade launchers.

The plant in Nizhny Tagil currently assembles T-90 Proryv tanks. The plant temporarily suspended the work on the more advanced T-14 Armata tank. The basic T-72B3 and the modern mighty T-90M will thus fight on the fronts.

It appears that two tank battalions of the West will not be able to show too much resistance to the Russian military might, provided the fire support from Aerospace Forces, missiles, and artillery.

Hmmm.....what about this?

See more at The West builds a strike corps to invade Russia
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee

Pavel to BBC: Ukraine Deserves to Join NATO As Soon As War Ends​

Prague Morning BYPRAGUE MORNING
FEBRUARY 1, 2023
petr-pavel-bbc-800x500.jpg


“Ukraine deserves to join NATO as soon as Russia’s war on the country ends,” said the newly elected Czech President Petr Pavel to BBC.
The retired NATO general added that Ukraine should be “morally and practically ready” to join the alliance once the conflict is over.
“Ukraine deserves to be part of the community of democratic countries,” Pavel said in his first interview with the foreign press.
Regarding Western military support to Ukraine, Pavel said that there ought to be almost no limits on what countries could send to the Kyiv government.
“We have no alternative,” said the president-elect. “If they lose – we all lose,” added Pavel, who said the handover of fighter jets was not taboo. But he fears the delivery of the warplanes could be too slow.
“I am proud of my country being one of the first to provide Ukraine with significant military help,” he told the BBC.
The Czech Republic was the first Western country to send tanks and infantry fighting vehicles – Soviet-designed T72s and BMP1s – to Kyiv, part of a series of deliveries of heavy weapons that reportedly began as early as March 2022.
“Peace depends entirely on Russia and we would support even the slightest sign of a willingness to negotiate to stop the conflict.”
“Once there is even the slightest chance of peace talks, let’s support it. But there are no signs of it from the Russian side,” said Pavel, who was often portrayed as a warmonger during the campaign.
“What needs to be said is this: the end of war is entirely in Russian hands. It would take only one decision from President Putin to withdraw his forces from Ukraine and the war is over.”
Pavel will be inaugurated as Czech president on March 9.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee

Ukraine Needs More Money Than We Expected, Says Czech Minister​

Prague Morning BYPRAGUE MORNING
JANUARY 18, 2023

The EU sent Ukraine the first €3 billion from the €18 billion loan package, but some EU member states already see that this amount will not be sufficient, admitted Czech Finance Minister Zbyněk Stanjura (ODS, ECR) on Tuesday.

The €18 billion aid package for Ukraine was approved in December 2022 after tough negotiations. According to the regulation approved, the EU can provide Ukraine with a monthly financial loan.
“When you see today and every day the brutal attacks by the Russian army, the more and more damage they are doing to Ukraine’s infrastructure, but also to residential areas, I assume that the need for this money will be even higher than we thought in November or December,” Stanjura said after Tuesday’s meeting between EU finance ministers.
For the Czech government, support for Ukraine is a top priority.
The Czech Republic negotiated the aid package for Ukraine during its Council of the EU Presidency in the second half of 2022.
The only country actively blocking the support was Hungary.

For the EU to be able to afford assistance to Ukraine, it was necessary to borrow the money and provide guarantees.

According to Stanjura, the discussion among ministers on further aid for Ukraine was “brief”. “I am convinced that many countries have the same view as the Czech Republic. I think it is a majority of countries,” he added.

However, the agreed amount will probably not be enough, Stanjura said.
 
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Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Our navy is only the submarine fleet. Surface ships will be wiped by hypersonic missiles almost entirely in the first couple hours. China & Russia together can do this.

Russia has the subs. Both have hypersonic missiles. How well will our air force fly after nuke strikes do direct thermal & concussion damage, combined with EMP zapping electronics?

All they have to do in the first strike is take out 1/2 of targets. How many air defense systems have you seen in the US, UK, Germany? Even the best we have cannot touch the hypersonic missiles.

Second strike can be slower conventional.

Russia is not giving a full fight in Ukraine. You DO know that right? NATO already committed acts of war which are temporarily being ignored. They are biding their time for the moment both China & Russia hit the big dog. In the Pacific, we lose Hawaii (again), Guam, Japan, South Korea - all in a few hours. While that is going on, naval ports and fleets will be struck up to our west coast. East coast will be roasted, first by hypersonic nukes, then by tsunami poseidon torpedoes, followed by slower sub-launched missiles.

If you play chess, you lock the opponent out of certain things while developing your attack. In real war, the complications, deceptions and unknowns are not like an open chess board... it is 1000 times more complex.

In WWII, German Grand Admiral Karl Dönitz had a seascape painting on one of the walls of his office. During the war, Dönitz was initially commander of Gemany's submarine fleet, then commander of the entire Navy and finally - after Hitler's death - the last leader of National Socialist Germany.

All the strange painting illustrated was an endless expanse of blue-green sea, covered in waves and whitecaps. There were no land artifacts such as lighthouses and not a single ship to be seen. The painting elicited countless comments from visitors to Dönitz's office.

He explained that the painting illustrated Germany's future naval fleet: all submarines.

Best
Doc
 

raven

TB Fanatic

Pavel to BBC: Ukraine Deserves to Join NATO As Soon As War Ends​

Prague Morning BYPRAGUE MORNING
FEBRUARY 1, 2023
petr-pavel-bbc-800x500.jpg


“Ukraine deserves to join NATO as soon as Russia’s war on the country ends,” said the newly elected Czech President Petr Pavel to BBC.
The retired NATO general added that Ukraine should be “morally and practically ready” to join the alliance once the conflict is over.
“Ukraine deserves to be part of the community of democratic countries,” Pavel said in his first interview with the foreign press.
Regarding Western military support to Ukraine, Pavel said that there ought to be almost no limits on what countries could send to the Kyiv government.
“We have no alternative,” said the president-elect. “If they lose – we all lose,” added Pavel, who said the handover of fighter jets was not taboo. But he fears the delivery of the warplanes could be too slow.
“I am proud of my country being one of the first to provide Ukraine with significant military help,” he told the BBC.
The Czech Republic was the first Western country to send tanks and infantry fighting vehicles – Soviet-designed T72s and BMP1s – to Kyiv, part of a series of deliveries of heavy weapons that reportedly began as early as March 2022.
“Peace depends entirely on Russia and we would support even the slightest sign of a willingness to negotiate to stop the conflict.”
“Once there is even the slightest chance of peace talks, let’s support it. But there are no signs of it from the Russian side,” said Pavel, who was often portrayed as a warmonger during the campaign.
“What needs to be said is this: the end of war is entirely in Russian hands. It would take only one decision from President Putin to withdraw his forces from Ukraine and the war is over.”
Pavel will be inaugurated as Czech president on March 9.
Says the President of the country that is the western half of the former Czechoslovakia.
Maybe he is thinking that Ukraine will be split too. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
 

jward

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FLASH
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⚡️The Japanese government allocated 170 million US dollars for the reconstruction of Ukraine.
As reported on the government portal, the funds will be directed to the implementation of emergency recovery projects, in particular to the recovery of critical infrastructure.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic

War’s longest battle exacts high price in ‘heart of Ukraine’​


By HANNA ARHIROVAan hour ago


FILE - Ukrainian soldiers ride in a Humvee in Bakhmut, Donetsk region, Ukraine, Wednesday, Dec. 21, 2022. (AP Photo/Libkos, File)
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FILE - Ukrainian soldiers ride in a Humvee in Bakhmut, Donetsk region, Ukraine, Wednesday, Dec. 21, 2022. (AP Photo/Libkos, File)


KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — It used to be that visitors would browse through Bakhmut’s late 19th century buildings, enjoy walks in its rose-lined lakeside park and revel in the sparkling wines produced in historic underground caves. That was when this city in eastern Ukraine was a popular tourist destination.
No more. The longest battle of Russia’s war has turned this city of salt and gypsum mines into a ghost town. Despite bombing, shelling and attempts to encircle Bakhmut for six months, Russia’s forces have not conquered it.
But their scorched-earth tactics have made it impossible for civilians to have any semblance of a life there.
“It’s hell on earth right now; I can’t find enough words to describe it,” said Ukrainian soldier Petro Voloschenko, who is known on the battlefield as Stone, his voice rising with emotion and resentment.
Voloschenko, who is originally from Kyiv, arrived in the area in August when the Russian assault started and has since celebrated his birthday, Christmas and New Year’s there.
The 44-year-old saw the city, located around 100 kilometers (60 miles) from Russia’s border, gradually turned into a wasteland of ruins. Most of the houses are crushed, without roofs, ceilings, windows or doors, making them uninhabitable, he said.
Out of a prewar population of 80,000, a few thousand residents remain. They rarely see daylight because they spend most of their time in basements sheltering from the ferocious fighting around and above them. The city constantly shudders with the muffled sound of explosions, the whizzing of mortars and a constant soundtrack of artillery. Anywhere is a potential target.
Bakhmut lies in Donetsk province, one of four that Russia illegally annexed in the fall — but Moscow only controls about half of it. To take the remaining half, Russian forces have no choice but to go through Bakhmut, which offers the only approach to bigger Ukrainian-held cities since Ukrainian troops took back Izium in Kharkiv province in September, according to Mykola Bielieskov, a research fellow at Ukraine’s National Institute for Strategic Studies.
“Without seizure of these cities, the Russian army won’t be able to accomplish the political task it was given,” Bielieskov said.
The deterioration in Bakhmut started during the summer after Russia took the last major city in neighboring Luhansk province. It then poured troops and equipment into capturing Bakhmut, and Ukraine did the same to defend it. For Russia, the city was one stepping stone toward its goal of seizing the remaining Ukrainian-held territory in Donetsk.
From trenches outside the city, the two sides dug in for what turned into an exhausting standoff as Ukraine clawed back territory to the north and south and Russian airstrikes across the country targeted power plants and other infrastructure.
The months of battle exhausted both armies. In the fall, Russia changed tactics and sent in foot soldiers instead of probing the front line mainly with artillery, according to Voloschenko.
Bielieskov, the research fellow, said the least-trained Russians go first to force the Ukrainians to open fire and expose the strengths and weaknesses of their defense.
More trained units or mercenaries from the Wagner Group, a private Russian military company led by a rogue millionaire and known for its brutality, make up the rear guard, Bielieskov said.
Bielieskov said that Ukraine compensates for its lack of heavy equipment with people who are ready to stand to the last.
“Lightly armed, without sufficient artillery support, which they cannot always be provided, they stand and hold off attacks as long as possible,” he said.
The result is that the battle is believed to have produced horrific troop losses for both Ukraine and Russia. Quite how deadly isn’t known: Neither side is saying.
“Manpower is less of a Russian problem and, in some ways, more of a Ukrainian problem, not only because the casualties are painful, but they’re often ... Ukraine’s best troops,” said Lawrence Freedman, a professor emeritus of war studies at King’s College London.
The Institute for the Study of War recently reported that Wagner forces have seen more than 4,100 die and 10,000 wounded, including over 1,000 killed between late November and early December near Bakhmut. The numbers are impossible to verify.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in a recent address, described the situation in Bakhmut as “very tough.”
“These are constant Russian assaults. Constant attempts to break through our defenses” he said,
Like Mariupol — the port city in the same province that Russia eventually captured after an 82-day siege that eventually came down to a mammoth steel mill where determined Ukrainian fighters held out along with civilians — Bakhmut has taken on almost mythic importance to its defenders.
“Bakhmut has already become a symbol of Ukrainian invincibility,” Voloschenko said. “Bakhmut is the heart of Ukraine, and the future peace of those cities that are no longer under occupation depends on the rhythm with which it beats.”
For now, Bakhmut remains completely under the control of the Ukrainian army, albeit more as a fortress than a place where people would visit, work or love. In January, the Russians seized the town of Soledar, located less than 20 kilometers (some 12 miles) away, but their advance is very slow, according to military analysts.
“These are rates of advancement that do not allow us to talk about serious offensive actions. It’s a slow pushing out at a very high price,” Bielieskov said.
Along the front line on the Ukrainian side, emergency medical units provide urgent care to battlefield casualties. From 50 to 170 wounded Ukrainian soldiers pass daily through just one of the several stabilization points along the Donetsk front line, according to Tetiana Ivanchenko, who has volunteered in eastern Ukraine since a Russia-backed separatist conflict started there in 2014.
After its setbacks in Kharkiv in the northeast and Kherson province in the south, the Kremlin is hungry for any success, even if it is just seizing a town or two that have been pounded into rubble. Freedman, the King’s College London professor emeritus, said the loss of Bakhmut would be a blow for Ukraine and offer tactical advantages to Russian forces, but wouldn’t prove decisive to the outcome of the war. War's longest battle exacts high price in 'heart of Ukraine'
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
Wait-n-See, thanks for posting the links for other sources.
Another view-point of the Russian military expressing their opinion of the dangers of the SMO operation.
''Russian Col. Gen. Leonid Ivashov (pre invasion) rejected Putin’s claim that NATO poses a threat to Russia’s vital interests''.
Hmmm..........

Thanks. I was actually surprised, based on the belief of so many here that Putin is offing all opposition once it is shown they are against Putin, that not only is this retired office still alive and doing well, but the letter he wrote is still displayed in such a public place.

The desperate dream of a Putin coup is bring such false hope to so many, despite the almost certain possibility that the replacement would be far more hawkish than Putin. Putin has been holding back after so many escalation by the west in an attempt to get him to react.

Like the bully who keeps hitting a person who won't fight back, and then crying victim when they end up being hit back. Or the person who kills their parents and then ask the judge for mercy as they are an orphan.

In the same way those pictures of US Abrams those trains in snow conditions is having people hope those are already in Poland on the way to Ukraine. Despite the WH and Pentagon saying the tanks would be delivered late this year or maybe next, and that the model is the export version missing the DU, extra armor and other goodies only our troops get.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No one is going to mess with that ship. Not worth it.
May be hoping for a Lusitanian event?

Panicked Empire tries to make Russia an 'offer it can't refuse'
31th January 2023
Pepe Escobar

Aware that the war between NATO and Russia is likely to end unfavorably, the United States is testing an exit offer. But why should Moscow take indirect proposals seriously, especially on the eve of its new military advance and while it is in the seat of the victors?

Those behind the Throne are never more dangerous than when their backs are against the wall.

Their power is receding, rapidly: Militarily, via the progressive humiliation of NATO in Ukraine; financially, sooner or later, most countries in the Global South will no longer want to deal with the currency of a bankrupt rogue giant; politically, the global majority is taking decisive action to stop obeying a rapacious and discredited de facto minority.

And now those behind the Throne are plotting to at least try to delay the coming disaster on the military front.

As confirmed by a senior US establishment source, a new directive on NATO against Russia in Ukraine has been issued to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Blinken, in terms of real power, is nothing more than a messenger for the Neocons and the Straussian neoliberals who actually run US foreign policy.

The Secretary of State was instructed to deliver the new directive – a sort of message to the Kremlin – through the mainstream print media, which was promptly published by the The Washington Post.

In the division of labor of America's mainstream media elite, the New York Times is very close to the State Department and the The Washington Post of the CIA. In this case, however, the directive was too important and had to be relayed by the official newspaper of the imperial capital. It was published as a Op-Ed (paid).

The novelty is that, for the first time since the start of the Russian-led Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine in February 2022, the Americans are offering a variation of the classic "you can't refuse" offer, including certain concessions that could satisfy Russia's security imperatives.

The US offer completely bypasses kyiv, once again certifying that this is a war against Russia waged by the Empire and its NATO underlings, with the Ukrainians merely proxies expandable.

"Don't go on the offensive"

The Washington Post's Moscow correspondent, John Helmer, did an important service by offering the Full Text of Blinken's offer, of course extensively edited to include fanciful notions such as " US weapons help crush Putin's invasion force » and a ridiculous explanation : « In other words, Russia should not be ready to rest, regroup and attack ».

Washington's message may, at first glance, give the impression that the United States would admit Russian control over Crimea, Donbass, Zaporizhia and Kherson - "the land bridge that connects Crimea and Russia" - as a fact accomplished.

Ukraine would have a demilitarized status, and the deployment of HIMARS missiles and Leopard and Abrams tanks would be limited to western Ukraine, kept as " deterrence against further Russian attacks ».

What may have been offered, in rather vague terms, is in fact a partition of Ukraine, including the demilitarized zone, in exchange for the Russian General Staff canceling its still unknown 2023 offensive, which could be as devastating as cutting off Kyiv's access to the Black Sea and/or cutting off the NATO arms supply across the Polish border.

The American offer is defined as the path towards a " just and lasting peace that respects the territorial integrity of Ukraine ". Well, not really. It won't be a rump Ukraine, and kyiv might even keep those western lands that Poland is dying to claim.

The possibility of a direct Washington-Moscow agreement on " a possible post-war military balance is also mentioned, with in particular Ukraine's non-membership of NATO. As for Ukraine itself, the Americans seem to believe that it will be a " strong, uncorrupted economy with membership in the European Union ».

Whatever was left of value in Ukraine has already been swallowed up not only by its monumentally corrupt oligarchy, but especially by investors and speculators of the BlackRock variety. The corporate vultures simply cannot afford to lose Ukraine's grain export ports, as well as the terms of pre-war trade agreements with the EU. And they are terrified that the Russian offensive could seize Odessa, the main seaport and transport hub of the Black Sea, leaving Ukraine without access to the sea.

There is no evidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin and the entire Russian Security Council – including his secretary Nikolai Patrushev and his vice-president Dmitry Medvedev – have reason to believe what is coming from the American establishment, especially by the intermediary of mere underlings like Blinken and the The Washington Post. After all, the stavka – the nickname given to the high command of the Russian armed forces – regards the Americans as “unable to make a deal”, even when an offer is presented in writing.

It all looks like a desperate maneuver by the United States to buy time and present some carrots to Moscow in the hope of delaying or even canceling the offensive planned for the next few months.

Even old-school splinter operatives in Washington — who are not beholden to the neoconservative Straussian galaxy — are betting the maneuver will yield nothing: In classic “strategic ambiguity” mode, the Russians will continue their declared campaign of demilitarization. , denazification and de-electrification, and will "stop" when and where they want east of the Dnieper. Or beyond.

What the Deep State Really Wants

Washington's ambitions in this NATO war against Russia go far beyond Ukraine. And we're not even talking about preventing a Russia-China-Germany Eurasian union or a nightmare of peer competitors; let's stick to prosaic questions on the Ukrainian battlefield.

The main “recommendations” – military, economic, political, diplomatic – have been detailed in a strategic document of the Atlantic Council at the end of last year.

Et In another, under the heading "War Scenario 1: The War Continues at Its Present Rate," we find Strauss' neoconservative politics fully detailed.

It's all there: from the mobilization of sufficient support and transfers of military assistance to Kyiv to allow it to win " at " increasing the lethality of transferred military assistance to include fighter jets that would allow Ukraine to control its airspace and attack Russian forces there; and missile technology with sufficient range to reach Russian territory ».

From the formation of the Ukrainian army " the use of Western weaponry, electronic warfare, and offensive and defensive cyber capabilities, and the seamless integration of new recruits into the service ” to the strengthening of “ defenses on the front lines, near the Donbass region ", and especially " combat training focused on irregular warfare ».

In addition to " impose secondary sanctions on all entities that do business with the Kremlin we come of course to the mother of all looting: Confiscate the $300 billion the Russian state holds in overseas accounts in the US and EU and use the seized monies to fund reconstruction ».

The reorganization of the special military operation, with Putin, Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov and General Armageddon in their new, enhanced roles, derails all these elaborate plans.

The Straussians are now in full panic. Even Blinken's number two, Russophobic warmonger Victoria "F**k the EU" Nuland, admitted to the US Senate that there won't be any Abrams tanks on the battlefield until the spring (realistically speaking). , only in 2024). She also promised to ease the penalties “if Moscow” resume negotiations ". These negotiations were scuttled by the Americans themselves in Istanbul in the spring of 2022.

Nuland also called on the Russians to " withdraw their troops ". Well, it does at least offer some comic relief from the panic that oozes from Blinken's "offer you can't refuse." Stay tuned for Russia's no-answer response.
Thanks for that article.

Pepe always seems to have some good insight.

BTW it seems to me that for good negotiations it would be to the advantage of either side, to do it from a position of strength. In the foreseeable future (months) that strength lies with Russia. They are winning, regardless of cost, and will continue to fight, regardless of cost or time.

Blinken, just blinked, which should make Russia more determined to win more, so when it comes time to negotiate from strength, they can give up jiblets, to keep what they want.

Which can be a neutral western devastated Ukraine. Which the west will have to pour Billions more into to rebuild. And a free Russian expansion into eastern Ukraine with the Dniper river as the dividing line.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
Wait-n-See, thanks for posting the links for other sources.
Another view-point of the Russian military expressing their opinion of the dangers of the SMO operation.
''Russian Col. Gen. Leonid Ivashov (pre invasion) rejected Putin’s claim that NATO poses a threat to Russia’s vital interests''.
Hmmm..........
ok guys, bi do not have time to track down the twitter and telegram channels i am referring to up thread...trust me or not. idngas

maybe in a few days... a lot going on.

but if this guy is still alive , does anyone here thinks he has changed his mind?
 

Oreally

Right from the start
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Everyone willing to die because of this wacko job, and his deep state enablers? Can you imagine a madmen like this with actual control over nuclear or biological weapons?

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a swift, unexpected, decap strike is the only way to end this, before civilization is destroyed. imho

onLy ONE person in this ENTIRE FUCIKNG WORLD WANTS THIS WAR TO CONTINUE
 

Oreally

Right from the start
[QUOTE="Oreally, post: 9560309, member: 3644"

onLy ONE person in this ENTIRE FUCIKNG WORLD WANTS THIS WAR TO CONTINUE

And that would be Biden......
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you know, that is actually true.


the evil ****s behind this senile prick, and we all know who it is, DO what it to continue, but WE can't nuke 44.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What happened to "Ukraine is winning" ?
It hasn't started yet.

Former UK Defense Minister Says NATO May Need To Send Ground Forces To Ukraine​

The "domino theory" was once used to great effect in order to manipulate the American public into supporting the Vietnam War, but will the same narrative work to get the west to support World War III with Russia?
Former UK Defense Minister Sir Gerald Howarth seems to think so as he uses this exact claim to justify NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine.

It should be noted that a large percentage of the American populace and most of Europe have no interest whatsoever in engaging with Russia and possibly its allies in all out war, but the establishment appears intent on forcing the issue anyway. The delivery of NATO tanks and the possibility of longer range missiles will no doubt trigger a wider response from Russia, which will then be used by NATO as a reason to escalate further.

At the very least, Howarth does admit what many in the alternative media have been saying for some time - That Ukraine's efforts have ground to a halt without further support from NATO troops. The deliveries of money and weapons are nothing more than a stop-gap; wars are won by men.

The former minister suggests that Ukraine is essentially too big to fail and that NATO cannot allow Russia to prevail in the region, otherwise they will be emboldened to strike other nearby nations. There is zero evidence to support this argument, but it is clear that NATO talking heads are desperate to drum up some kind of public fervor.

Are western citizens willing to fight and die for Ukraine? It's highly unlikely.

 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
Well . . . the British might . . . false flag thing.

No need to sink the ship for a bunch of Bradley IFV. Or even if they had Abrams on board. Both can quite easily be taken care of by the existing anti-armor weapons being used in Ukraine now. Even more so as these are the export versions.
 
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