ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Those people have no clue how to change course.
What saying was accredited to Einstein.....a definition of insanity is in trying the same thing over and over that doesn't work and expecting a different result?

These people have this nailed down to dogma for sure.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
With what? I could see using radar-directed high speed cannons like the ZSU 23-4, but I had no idea it could take out artillery rounds. Airplanes, helicopters, drones, slow missiles... sure. Certainly they aren't using missile systems for taking out HIMARS?
Lasers; the tests being publicized as being done at White Sands shooting down drones, artillery rockets and artillery shells.

The US has also successfully done this in the field with trailer mounted naval CIWS systems.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic

Belarus will host joint staff training with Russia in preparation for war participation​

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Ukrainska Pravda
Tue, January 31, 2023 at 2:20 AM EST·1 min read


The military of Belarus have announced the beginning of a two-week joint staff training with the Russians of the so-called Joint Command of the regional group of troops.
Source: Press service of Belarusian Defence Ministry
Quote: "During the week, representatives of the military departments of the two states will work out joint planning for the use of troops based on the experience of armed conflicts in recent years, following the topic 'Decision on the use of a regional grouping of troops (forces) in the interests of ensuring the military security of the Union State'."
Details: According to the Belarusian Defence Ministry, the joint exercises are aimed at "increasing the interoperability of the military command of the two states".
They are also another stage of preparation for the Union Shield 2023 joint operational exercise, which will take place on the territory of Russia in September 2023.
Background:
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
Panicked Empire tries to make Russia an 'offer it can't refuse'
31th January 2023
Pepe Escobar

Aware that the war between NATO and Russia is likely to end unfavorably, the United States is testing an exit offer. But why should Moscow take indirect proposals seriously, especially on the eve of its new military advance and while it is in the seat of the victors?

Those behind the Throne are never more dangerous than when their backs are against the wall.

Their power is receding, rapidly: Militarily, via the progressive humiliation of NATO in Ukraine; financially, sooner or later, most countries in the Global South will no longer want to deal with the currency of a bankrupt rogue giant; politically, the global majority is taking decisive action to stop obeying a rapacious and discredited de facto minority.

And now those behind the Throne are plotting to at least try to delay the coming disaster on the military front.

As confirmed by a senior US establishment source, a new directive on NATO against Russia in Ukraine has been issued to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Blinken, in terms of real power, is nothing more than a messenger for the Neocons and the Straussian neoliberals who actually run US foreign policy.

The Secretary of State was instructed to deliver the new directive – a sort of message to the Kremlin – through the mainstream print media, which was promptly published by the The Washington Post.

In the division of labor of America's mainstream media elite, the New York Times is very close to the State Department and the The Washington Post of the CIA. In this case, however, the directive was too important and had to be relayed by the official newspaper of the imperial capital. It was published as a Op-Ed (paid).

The novelty is that, for the first time since the start of the Russian-led Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine in February 2022, the Americans are offering a variation of the classic "you can't refuse" offer, including certain concessions that could satisfy Russia's security imperatives.

The US offer completely bypasses kyiv, once again certifying that this is a war against Russia waged by the Empire and its NATO underlings, with the Ukrainians merely proxies expandable.

"Don't go on the offensive"

The Washington Post's Moscow correspondent, John Helmer, did an important service by offering the Full Text of Blinken's offer, of course extensively edited to include fanciful notions such as " US weapons help crush Putin's invasion force » and a ridiculous explanation : « In other words, Russia should not be ready to rest, regroup and attack ».

Washington's message may, at first glance, give the impression that the United States would admit Russian control over Crimea, Donbass, Zaporizhia and Kherson - "the land bridge that connects Crimea and Russia" - as a fact accomplished.

Ukraine would have a demilitarized status, and the deployment of HIMARS missiles and Leopard and Abrams tanks would be limited to western Ukraine, kept as " deterrence against further Russian attacks ».

What may have been offered, in rather vague terms, is in fact a partition of Ukraine, including the demilitarized zone, in exchange for the Russian General Staff canceling its still unknown 2023 offensive, which could be as devastating as cutting off Kyiv's access to the Black Sea and/or cutting off the NATO arms supply across the Polish border.

The American offer is defined as the path towards a " just and lasting peace that respects the territorial integrity of Ukraine ". Well, not really. It won't be a rump Ukraine, and kyiv might even keep those western lands that Poland is dying to claim.

The possibility of a direct Washington-Moscow agreement on " a possible post-war military balance is also mentioned, with in particular Ukraine's non-membership of NATO. As for Ukraine itself, the Americans seem to believe that it will be a " strong, uncorrupted economy with membership in the European Union ».

Whatever was left of value in Ukraine has already been swallowed up not only by its monumentally corrupt oligarchy, but especially by investors and speculators of the BlackRock variety. The corporate vultures simply cannot afford to lose Ukraine's grain export ports, as well as the terms of pre-war trade agreements with the EU. And they are terrified that the Russian offensive could seize Odessa, the main seaport and transport hub of the Black Sea, leaving Ukraine without access to the sea.

There is no evidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin and the entire Russian Security Council – including his secretary Nikolai Patrushev and his vice-president Dmitry Medvedev – have reason to believe what is coming from the American establishment, especially by the intermediary of mere underlings like Blinken and the The Washington Post. After all, the stavka – the nickname given to the high command of the Russian armed forces – regards the Americans as “unable to make a deal”, even when an offer is presented in writing.

It all looks like a desperate maneuver by the United States to buy time and present some carrots to Moscow in the hope of delaying or even canceling the offensive planned for the next few months.

Even old-school splinter operatives in Washington — who are not beholden to the neoconservative Straussian galaxy — are betting the maneuver will yield nothing: In classic “strategic ambiguity” mode, the Russians will continue their declared campaign of demilitarization. , denazification and de-electrification, and will "stop" when and where they want east of the Dnieper. Or beyond.

What the Deep State Really Wants

Washington's ambitions in this NATO war against Russia go far beyond Ukraine. And we're not even talking about preventing a Russia-China-Germany Eurasian union or a nightmare of peer competitors; let's stick to prosaic questions on the Ukrainian battlefield.

The main “recommendations” – military, economic, political, diplomatic – have been detailed in a strategic document of the Atlantic Council at the end of last year.

Et In another, under the heading "War Scenario 1: The War Continues at Its Present Rate," we find Strauss' neoconservative politics fully detailed.

It's all there: from the mobilization of sufficient support and transfers of military assistance to Kyiv to allow it to win " at " increasing the lethality of transferred military assistance to include fighter jets that would allow Ukraine to control its airspace and attack Russian forces there; and missile technology with sufficient range to reach Russian territory ».

From the formation of the Ukrainian army " the use of Western weaponry, electronic warfare, and offensive and defensive cyber capabilities, and the seamless integration of new recruits into the service ” to the strengthening of “ defenses on the front lines, near the Donbass region ", and especially " combat training focused on irregular warfare ».

In addition to " impose secondary sanctions on all entities that do business with the Kremlin we come of course to the mother of all looting: Confiscate the $300 billion the Russian state holds in overseas accounts in the US and EU and use the seized monies to fund reconstruction ».

The reorganization of the special military operation, with Putin, Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov and General Armageddon in their new, enhanced roles, derails all these elaborate plans.

The Straussians are now in full panic. Even Blinken's number two, Russophobic warmonger Victoria "F**k the EU" Nuland, admitted to the US Senate that there won't be any Abrams tanks on the battlefield until the spring (realistically speaking). , only in 2024). She also promised to ease the penalties “if Moscow” resume negotiations ". These negotiations were scuttled by the Americans themselves in Istanbul in the spring of 2022.

Nuland also called on the Russians to " withdraw their troops ". Well, it does at least offer some comic relief from the panic that oozes from Blinken's "offer you can't refuse." Stay tuned for Russia's no-answer response.
 

raven

TB Fanatic

Poroshenko, 8 years to build an army. IMF, 2023 Russia economic growth. Ukraine wants 200 F16s.​


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200 F-16s and 400 pilots and an incredible number of maintenance people (200 in a single squadron).
(None of which will speak Ukrainian)
 

John Deere Girl

Veteran Member

Track US Vessel With 60 Bradley Tanks Bound For Ukraine​


BY TYLER DURDEN
TUESDAY, JAN 31, 2023 - 05:45 AM
Ukrainian Armed Forces are preparing battle plans along the frontline as a Russian spring offensive could be ahead. Western countries are sending main battle tanks and other vehicles to thwart the coming escalation in fighting.
Last week, President Biden announced 31 M1 Abrams main battle tanks (without secret armor) would be sent to Ukraine. Germany, Norway, Poland, and other NATO countries will send other tanks, including the Leopard 2. Even Morocco will send older T-72 series tanks, currently in use in the war-torn country.
All of these 'donated' tanks sound great, but if they don't make it to Europe and race across the battlefield by spring, then the Ukranians might have trouble repelling the Russians.
A press release via the US Transportation Command (USTRANSCOM), a segment of the US military responsible for transporting equipment worldwide, detailed last week that a large roll-on/roll-off vessel named "ARC Integrity" loaded 60 Bradley Fighting Vehicles destined for Ukraine.
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical


60 US-donated M2A2 ODS Bradleys are loaded onto ARC Integrity in North Charleston, South Carolina, bound for Ukrainian service. View attachment 394426As of Monday, and according to USTRANSCOM's press release noting the vessel's name, data via MarineTraffic shows ARC Integrity is full steam ahead in the Atlantic Ocean and will arrive at the Port in Southampton, England, on View attachment 394427
Why would they announce this? I would hate to be on that ship.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Lasers; the tests being publicized as being done at White Sands shooting down drones, artillery rockets and artillery shells.

The US has also successfully done this in the field with trailer mounted naval CIWS systems.
Once Again R&D - proof of concept - on going vs current REAL WORLD deployed and being used (at rates of up to 60,000 rounds a day!) So today a Laser at White Sands can "hit" one artillery round (under controlled test conditions) - what is the recharge time for the next Laser discharge? What is the cost vs traditional artillery - they will be taken out sooner or later.
So we have the PR / SPIN - US has LASER Weapons vs The Reality on the ground - the US currently forced into sending old VN era 105 artillery to Ukraine. This is NOT A STAR WARS conflict more a Quiet on the Western Front!

And despite the best efforts at White Sands or Area 51 the US does not have a Millennium Falcon ready to save the day!
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
Latest Yahoo ruble chart:

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Not much of a "worsening financial situation" going on, here.

You have another source?


intothegoodnight

I believe that chart may be showing the opposite of what you think it is. It shows that in July, it took 58 or so Rubles to equal a dollar... now it takes 70. So, during the period shown by that chart, the ruble has gone down in value. The other way to look at it is that in July, 1 dollar bought 58 rubles, now 1 dollar buys 70 rubles.

One can make whatever case they want by choosing the starting point for their chart.
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jward

passin' thru
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
2h

The United States may announce an additional Military Aid Package to Ukraine as soon as the end of this week.
 

jward

passin' thru
AFP News Agency
@AFP
6h

#BREAKING France to send 12 more Caesar truck-mounted howitzers to Ukraine, defence minister says, adding to 18 already delivered
View: https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1620437468775424002?s=20


BREAKING: Ukraine will receive 120-140 tanks in the 'first wave' of western deliveries, Ukraine's foreign minister says - Reuters

Biden says that he will discuss Ukraine's latest requests for "advanced weaponry" with Zelensky - AFP
Expecting big aid packages for Ukraine around the war anniversary on February 24th.
 

jward

passin' thru
NOËL
@NOELreports

Greece will not supply Ukraine with Leopard 2 tanks.

“We cannot provide Leopard-2 tanks for the simple reason that they are absolutely essential to our own defense strategy,” Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said during a working visit to Japan.
12:18 PM · Jan 31, 2023

Ukrainian defense: America's refusal to transfer F-16 fighters to us is a non-final decision. :rolleyes:

Lindsey Graham
@LindseyGrahamSC

The Biden Administration’s decision not to provide F-16 fighter aircraft to Ukraine to secure their country is yet another example of not seizing the moment.
View: https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1620491681459052555?s=20




Status-6
@Archer83Able
2h

Russian S-300/S-400 air defense systems were activated in the Belgorod Oblast of Russia this evening.
View: https://twitter.com/Archer83Able/status/1620500267656687616?s=20


Belarus will host joint staff training with Russia in preparation for war participation Belarus will host joint staff training with Russia in preparation for war participation via @YahooNews
View: https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1620502357284093953?s=20


Russia says it has captured the village of Blahodatne on the northern outskirts of Bakhmut as it intensifies efforts to surround the front-line city Russia claims village near embattled Ukrainian city of Bakhmut
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Against the background of strengthening relations between Iran and Russia, Israel and we have come to the conclusion that this is exactly why we must meet all the demands of Ukraine - Anthony Blinken
RT 1min
View: https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1620454972285685762?s=20&t=l7p7eXh0heyghxcMwex9Sw
This guy is now talking like his boss, Biden.
Incomprehensible. Makes no sense.
''this is exactly why we must meet all the demands of Ukraine - Anthony Blinken''
 
I believe that chart may be showing the opposite of what you think it is. It shows that in July, it took 58 or so Rubles to equal a dollar... now it takes 70. So, during the period shown by that chart, the ruble has gone down in value. The other way to look at it is that in July, 1 dollar bought 58 rubles, now 1 dollar buys 70 rubles.

One can make whatever case they want by choosing the starting point for their chart.
View attachment 394489
A-yup - thanks for the correction.

Correct chart:

Ruble Chart2.jpg

intothegoodnight
 

jward

passin' thru
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
2h

The United States may announce an additional Military Aid Package to Ukraine as soon as the end of this week.
Faytuks News Δ
@Faytuks
13m

#BREAKING: US readying $2.2 bln weapons package for Ukraine that includes longer-range rockets for the first time, according to two US officials - Reuters
 

jward

passin' thru
Alright, I'm taking a break from this thread. I'll check in again if they are any big developments in the war.
Thank you ! A couple people on here today just about got me as fired up as I've ever been on here...I'm taking a break ....I'm out
Please don't allow the bickering, and endless off topic / self aggrandizing / banal siloquies chase you off the news thread on what is, arguably, the build up to WW3, and more dangerous a time for us than the cuban missile crisis was for our parents. . .( n wcs the most and last dangerous time our species will ever see :eek: ) :hof:

Other solutions include "following" posters who's info meets your needs, which allows you to see just their posts, and/or putting posters on ignore. While it is easy enough to mentally ignore the white noise, using the soft ware helps cut down on the endless time waste of scrolling past all that. I too hated to have to take these steps, but eventually found it was the only way to balance my need for info and time constraints I was under. I found that it is easy to switch back and forth so I can read their postings in other threads, and that those who tend to just restate what has been said a half-dozen times already typically don't offer information posts, so thus far these efforts are working. Remember too, you always have the option of reporting a post that don't meet the guidelines. In fact, the ADMIN and STAFF suggest we do that instead of further clogging up the thread with complaints.
If you decide to "follow" posters as a way to tailor the info you see, you then can hit the "what's new" tab at the top left of your screen, and on the drop down menu select " your news feed " and thus have that info at your finger tips.
Hope this helps.
 

jward

passin' thru
hmm

Faytuks News Δ
@Faytuks
26m

JUST IN: A U.S. weapons maker is offering to sell the Ukraine government two Reaper MQ-9 drones for a dollar - WSJ
"Sale of long-range, high-speed Reaper unmanned aircraft would require Biden administration approval"
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member
I'm very impressed by the readiness of this audience to accept government announcements at face value.

Reminds me of when the B2, may have been the B1 as too many drinks and years have passed since then :strs: , was doing initial radar tests and the results were quite disappointing.

Then, the B2 passed all the radar tests on the very next trial, and all in the kingdom were happy and joyful and high fiving each other in celebration. Wonderous news, it was!

But, little did the fiefdom know that all the tests that the B2 failed in the previous round were DROPPED in the next round, and thus the magical wonder weapon passed all required tests enabling all that glorious funding to be approved.

Cha-ching!! :chg:
 

jward

passin' thru
bout to the point that all that is left is givin the sons n hubbies to bleed n the wives n daughters to bed n be bred. . .
: (



Samuel Ramani
@SamRamani2

BREAKING: France agrees to supply Ground Master 200 air defence systems to Ukraine
The GM200 adds depth to Ukraine's air defences as its strength is aerial surveillance and can effectively strike low and high altitude targets
View: https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1620547524061962240?s=20


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