ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

vector7

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Abert

Veteran Member
BREAKING - Putin is negotiating with Taliban on the purchase of US coalition military equipment that was left behind in Afghanistan as a result of the United States' hasty withdrawal in 2021 for use in the war against Ukraine.

$7.12B in aircraft, vehicles, weapons +

If this is true, and it’s really a smart move by the Russians, then I’m sure “Lord of War” Victor Bout is helping to facilitate the purchase.

I’m glad we traded him for that Trans basketball player.

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Extremely unlikely - again just more Anti-Russian BS & SPIN. Just as Ukraine is effectively not able to use NATO equipment - training, maintenance, replacement parts, and AMMO - Russia would have the same issues trying to field and SUPPORT US equipment - it would be a major PITA - and the time and effort necessary would far exceed any benefit. If Russia wanted to purchase Arms - then the best / most practical move would be ammo from NK - exactly the same as used by Russia - and given NK NEED for Oil - simple Oil for AMMO - win - win.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Ukraine appears to be committing ethnic cleansing again.
Hungary needs to intervene and alert the international community.
Hmmmmm................Why Doesn't NATO Intervene? That's their job.

Ukraine keeps doing this, the Poles, the Jews, their fellow Ukrainians, etc.
The Historical Record is getting longer.
By the way, The Poles & the Volyn Massacre, they have not forgotten that either.
Can you say ''Rump Ukraine''? It's coming.
Don't forget the Romanians, the Rusyns, and all the ''other peoples'' in Ukraine.
They are next.
Newsflash............The ''international community'' is doing again what they did before.
The Media does not cover or report this happening. ''Nothing Here''.
Fake Outrage
The ''international community'' pretends not to know. ''Nothing Here''.
Fake Outrage
The ''international community'' and The Media can tell Ukraine ''No More''
or the ''international community'' and The Media can tell Ukraine Good-By......
No More Money, No More Weapons, No Tanks, No Planes.
Annnnd...The Dust Bin of History recieves another ''corrupt Regime'' next month.
Annnnd.....the War is over, imagine that.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic

"Not An Offensive Threat": Biden Downplays US Tanks In Ukraine As Russia Warns Decision Is "Extremely Dangerous"​

BY TYLER DURDEN
ZERO HEDGE
WEDNESDAY, JAN 25, 2023 - 12:42 PM

Update(1242ET): Biden in the remarks while flanked by his top defense officials unveiled an international tank coalition of nations in support of Ukraine, including that the US will send 31 Abrams tanks.

"Today, I'm announcing that the United States will be sending 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, the equivalent of one Ukrainian battalion," Biden said from the White House.

"Today's announcement builds on the hard work and commitment from countries around the world, led by the United States of America, to help Ukraine defend its sovereignty and its territorial integrity," Bided continued. "That's what this is about, helping Ukraine protect and defend Ukrainian land. It is not an offensive threat to Russia. There is no offensive threat to Russia. If Russian troops return to Russia … where they belong, this war would be over today."

He emphasized Germany's central role in its own decision to send and authorize Leopard 2 battle tanks, and thanked German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. The name Germany was invoked consistently throughout the brief speech, leading to a reporter asking whether Germany "forced" the US take action on the Abrams. Biden responded "no" - Germany did not force him to change his mind. "We wanted to make sure we're all together," he said.

Biden sought to emphasize that the new Ukraine aid is not an offensive threat to Russia. However, we doubt that Moscow is going to see it that way. Per AFP:

President Joe Biden said Wednesday that the delivery of 31 US tanks and other large-scale military aid is to help Ukraine defend itself, but poses no "offensive" threat to Russia.
"That's what this is about: helping Ukraine defend and protect Ukrainian land. It is not an offensive threat to Russia," he said in televised remarks.
Ukraine in follow-up said that Western tanks "will determine our future victory". Biden went through a litany of allies which are standing by to ship both tanks and anti-air defenses to Ukraine.

* * *

Earlier
Watch Live: President Biden is expected to address the Ukraine conflict in remarks from the White House scheduled for 12 eastern time. It's likely he'll formally announce Abrams M1 tanks for Ukrainian forces in a major escalation.

* * *

As expected, Russia is furious over the decision of the United States and Germany to authorize Western-manufactured advanced tanks for Ukrainian forces, calling it "extremely dangerous" and pointing out the unprecedented decision blows past Kremlin "red lines".

The Russian Embassy in Berlin communicated to the German government that the dangerous move "takes the conflict to a new level of confrontation." The statement asserted that it "contradicts the statements of German politicians about the unwillingness of the FRG [Federal Republic of Germany] to be drawn into it [the war]. Unfortunately, this happens over and over again."


Via Reuters

According to the latest media statements by US officials, the Pentagon is preparing plans to send approximately 30 M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine as part of a $400 million deal. While the official White House announcement of the tank transfer is likely imminent, it's unlikely the tanks will be seen on the battlefield anytime soon.

It takes multiple months to over six months or more to train crews to effectively operate the Abrams. The same could also go for Germany's Leopard 2 tanks which will be provided. Both are considered sophisticated main battle tanks.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz confirmed his country's decision to send 14 tanks at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday. Crucially Germany will also allow other countries to send theirs, which is likely to provide the bulk of Leopard tanks. According to the latest from Politico:

Germany and its European partners plan to "quickly" send two Leopard 2 tank battalions to Ukraine — suggesting about 80 vehicles — the government in Berlin announced Wednesday, adding that Germany would provide one company of 14 Leopard 2 A6 tanks "as a first step."
Other countries likely to send Leopards to the war against Russia include Poland, Spain, Norway and Finland.
Alongside the Abrams, the initial transfers is also expected to include special recovery vehicles which assist in repair of tanks on the battlefield, or else which are capable of removing stalled tanks.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov reiterated that this development shows that Ukraine and the West "has unequivocally stated its desire to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia." A ministry statement echoed his words in the following:
"There is a hybrid war going on against our country, which Foreign Minister [Sergei] Lavrov spoke about in detail just recently. Arguments about the red lines are a thing of the past," the foreign ministry told state news agency Tass, in comments translated by Google.
"The United States has unequivocally stated its desire to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia. It is impossible not to notice the reality," the ministry added, Tass reported.
And separately Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov underscored the "absurdity" of plan by NATO allies to send tanks. He said in a Wednesday briefing, "now we can only state that there are currently no prospects for entering the diplomatic path."

"Unfortunately, we see a lot of manifestations of the conviction of a number of politicians, a number of experts, the military and so on, who believe that it is by continuing the war that the security of the continent can be ensured. This is an absurd belief," Peskov added.

Specifically addressing the US and German tank escalation, he said: "I am convinced that many experts understand the absurdity of this idea too. It’s just that, in terms of technological aspects, this plan is quite a failure, and most importantly, it is a clear overestimation of the potential that it will add to the Armed Forces of Ukraine."

 

Abert

Veteran Member
GREAT HEADLINES - but the detail is in the fine print - NEW PRODUCTION - Likely in a YEAR or SO!!!
The US has HUNDREDS om M1's in Europe - they could ship 31 across the border in a few days.
So effectively these will never be sent!

So what is this actually all about?????

First - US Arms manufactures get a nice new contract- around $400 Million in sales for new tanks (and related support)

But likely KEY - forcing Germany to send and allow their tanks to be used - AGAINST RUSSIA
While the actual number NATO will send has varied from 100 to 400 +/- Effectively these 1980 vintage tanks will make no difference - Russia has already taken out around 3000 Ukrainian tanks - when they had even fewer troops engaged.

A theory that has been floating around - and gaining more support - is this is all about preventing Germany from reconnecting with Russia - to so sour the relationships so much that it will be difficult / impossible to reestablish normal relations.

The EU is a major Industrial / Trading block that the US competes with - and Germany is the backbone of that EU production! But up till now that strong German Industrial production was based on extensive trade with Russia - primarily NG (energy) as well as other raw materials - like the Titanium needed for their tanks!

The US / UK taking out the NS 1&2 NG pipeline was 100% to prevent Germany from trying to save their industrial base by restarting gas flows from Russia - no NS gas - well the US can supply LNG (at 4 to 5x the price). Effectively a major increase in the cost of production - pricing German goods out of the market - forcing many to shutdown.

But the icing on cake - GERMAN tanks - attacking RUSSIAN troops - AGAIN - having suffered some 27 million military and civilians deaths in World War II - mainly from GERMAN forces - this triggers a reaction that no one in the West can understand - Everyone in Russia has a personal story and loses related to this - a national trauma - not forgotten.

So despite the PR and SPIN - objective analysis clearly points to Russia winning this conflict - but what is critical to the US (assuming we avoid a Nuclear War) is that post the Ukrainian conflict - Germany industry will have been kneecapped - blocked from reestablishing their prewar status - effectively taking out the EU as a major competitor to the US.

The best path for Germany would be to break from the EU - patch up political issues with Russia and together build out a new industrial base - Germany does not need the EU - or the US - they need Energy and raw materials - their future is facing East.

More details on the US Tanks:
US to send Ukraine 31 tanks in abrupt Biden White House reversal
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
About the "shame" cartoon (and similar stories and comments). Germany told the US to back off with the public sky screaming, or they would not get what they wanted. Most people in the US (some board members here excepted) probably have no idea the degree of "crazy" the US was stirring up regarding Germany and those tanks. They just seemed to think the more they demanded, yelled, screamed, threatened, and bullied in the public square; the faster Germany would be to comply. This showed a total lack of understanding on the part of the US State Department as to the effect this was having on the German public.

Think about how the US public would react if France or Canada were "demanding" the US provide weapons to some country in Africa or something. Imagine that they just kept screaming, pushing, and bullying 24/7; do you think the US public would be happy if the US just backed down and complied? How about if it were the "United Nations," demanding a 30 percent "carbon tax" or something?

Now, Germany said two things; they said they would "think" about sending tanks if the US backed off (which they finally did when Germany failed to meet the US "deadline," and that they would provide tanks if the US provided some of theirs.

There was a reason for this, and we see that reason in Russia's reaction. Germany knew that Russia would consider this an ACT OF WAR, and if Germany was going to push that button, they, by golly, The United States was going to do so as well - or no dice.

Now Russia considers BOTH Germany and the United States legitimate targets of war. Russia has said this. If only Germany had sent tanks, then only Germany would be a target. Now the US is also. Future historians will have a field day with this, as Russians are not known for making idle threats. This isn't Bagdad Bob or Ho Chi Min, this is the Russian Bear, and he's tired of being poked. This could get very ugly very fast, and soon no one may care about whose classified documents were found where.

This really is getting right up there with the Cuban Missle Crises. Only the public just isn't aware of that yet.
You're late to the ball game. We've been putting up with that for the last 2 years in this administration, and their domestic policies. (ie. gas stoves, EV's, no gas, ad nauseum, racism, white supremacy, 1619 Project, racism, and did I say racism) And Germany is upset over this little tantrum. Really? Poor babies.

And while Germany taking heat over this, I can agree with you, this from of domestic and foreign policy is SOP for this administration. Just imagine they are pushing all of us to a nuclear war, that no one wants. And a lot of us on the domestic side understands if you listen to a Biden, you're dumb as a post. Got any Rocky Road?
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member

US to Send M1 Abrams to Ukraine + US-backed Terror Targets Myanmar's Upcoming Elections​


Runtime - 40:52
Update for January 25, 2023: West pledges main battle tanks to Ukraine + Myanmar’s upcoming elections targeted by US-backed terrorism.

- Western media reports resignation of several high-level Ukrainian officials;

- The US and Germany have pledged the M1 Abrams and Leopard 2 main battle tanks;

- Western military experts explain that Western main battle tanks require large logistical support, years of training for a foreign army to adopt them, and have intense maintenance requirements;

- ATACMS exist in much small numbers;

- Ukraine admits Russia has adapted to HIMARS GMLRS rockets, making it likely that Russia will adapt to ATACMS;

- Conversely, Russia has effectively forced Ukraine’s rear areas into neighboring countries with its missile forces;

- The US has announced increase artillery shell production to 90k shells/month in 2 years a month, roughly half of what Ukraine uses in 15 days;

- As the US wages proxy war in Ukraine against Russia, it does so in Myanmar against China;

- US-backed opposition is using terrorism to impede elections in Myanmar;

References: Russian-Ukrainian Conflict
BBC - Top Ukrainian officials quit in anti-corruption drive: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...
The Duran - Isolating Zelensky. Collective West builds intervention force for west Ukraine: https://youtu.be/4XtrMST9iDQ
BBC - US and Germany ready to send tanks to Ukraine - reports: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...
Lt. General Mark Hertling (ret.) - thread regarding M1 Abrams being sent to Ukraine: https://twitter.com/MarkHertling/stat...
1945 - Ukraine Won’t Get Leopard 2 Or M1 Abrams Tanks: Does It Matter?: https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/01/u...
Alexander Mercouris - Russia Begins New Vuhledar Offensive, Advances in Bakhmut, Zaporozhye; Big Purge Strikes Kiev: https://youtu.be/hX3OvFE60kM
New York Times - Defenses Carved into the Earth, Russia is building a vast network of trenches, traps and obstacles to slow Ukraine’s momentum. Will it work?: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...
New York Times - Pentagon Will Increase Artillery Production Sixfold for Ukraine: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/us...
Lockheed Martin - GMLRS Munitions: The right Precision Fires solution for every mission: https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/...
Lockheed Martin - Lockheed Martin Delivers New Production ATACMS Missile: https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2017-... The Drive - Are There Enough Guided Rockets For HIMARS To Keep Up With Ukraine War Demand?: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...

US-backed Violence Target Myanmar’s Elections CNN
- Chinese factories set on fire and at least 38 killed in Myanmar’s deadliest day since coup: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/15/as...
Irrawaddy - China-Backed Pipeline Facility Damaged in Myanmar Resistance Attack: https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/...
OA - Uncertainty Shrouds Myanmar Elections: https://www.voanews.com/a/uncertainty...
National Endowment for Democracy - Burma [Myanmar] 2021: https://www.ned.org/region/asia/burma...
NUG - official website: https://www.nugmyanmar.org/en/ NUG - Minister of Foreign Affairs: https://mofa.nugmyanmar.org/union-min...
NED - Zin Mar Aung: https://www.ned.org/fellows/ms-zin-ma...

Previous Videos Covering US Subversion in Myanmar The New Atlas - Myanmar Playlist on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG1nK...
The New Atlas - US Proxy War in Myanmar Threatens China and the rest of Asia: https://youtu.be/VfxfIXGmY8o
The New Atlas - Washington's, Not Myanmar's "National Unity Government": https://youtu.be/AqoM5JwnQcI
The New Atlas - US-backed Myanmar Opposition Waging Deadly Terror Campaign Against Schools, Teachers, & Students: https://youtu.be/75DGbfLN_Dw
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
White House Approves Sending Abrams Tanks to Ukraine; Deployment of 31 tanks is expected to take months, as announcement settles rift with allies

Wednesday, January 25, 2023, 1:22 PM ET
By Gordon Lubold and Andrew Restuccia
Wall Street Journal

WASHINGTON—The White House formally announced on Wednesday that it is sending 31 M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, part of a coordinated move in which Germany and other European nations will also send their own tanks to the fight in time for a coming offensive.

The move quashes, for now, the rumblings of dissension within an alliance that formed last year to support Ukraine.

In remarks at the White House on Wednesday, President Biden said the tanks would “enhance the Ukrainians’ capacity to defend its territory and achieve its strategic objectives.” He said the delivery of the tanks shouldn’t be seen by Russia as an offensive threat, contending that they are intended to help Ukraine defend itself.

“The Abrams tanks are the most capable tanks in the world, they’re also extremely complex to operate and maintain,” he said, adding later, “Delivering these tanks to the field is going to take time—time that we’ll use to make sure the Ukrainians are fully prepared to integrate the Abrams tanks into their defenses.”

German domestic political concerns drove the reluctance of the government of Chancellor Olaf Scholz to provide German-made tanks without the U.S. pledging its own tanks first. The issue threatened to become the first significant wrinkle in an alliance which has more or less stayed together since the Russian invasion.

Asked by a reporter whether Germany forced him to change his mind on sending tanks, Mr. Biden said, “Germany didn’t force me to change my mind. I wanted to make sure we were all together.”

A senior administration official said Wednesday: “Unity has been our greatest strength, and we’re seeing another example of that with today’s announcement.”

But unlike most of the other weaponry the U.S. has sent to Ukraine, the Abrams tanks will take “months, not weeks” to arrive in Ukraine, because they are being procured through the defense industry as opposed to being taken out of American stocks, the official said.

Write to Gordon Lubold at gordon.lubold@wsj.com and Andrew Restuccia at andrew.restuccia@wsj.com

White House Approves Abrams Tanks for Ukraine, Germany to Send Leopard 2s - WSJ
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Now Russia considers BOTH Germany and the United States legitimate targets of war. Russia has said this. If only Germany had sent tanks, then only Germany would be a target. Now the US is also. Future historians will have a field day with this, as Russians are not known for making idle threats. This isn't Bagdad Bob or Ho Chi Min, this is the Russian Bear, and he's tired of being poked. This could get very ugly very fast, and soon no one may care about whose classified documents were found where.
Putin: "Strictly speaking, formally, legally, there are American occupation troops on the territory of the Federal Republic[Germany],but in fact there are, there are a lot of them there.
RT 1min
View: https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1618236917077929984?s=20&t=7CmNFJ4FZ86y1lnhbSquPQ
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member

Russia Closing Bakhmut Cauldron, Belarus Rejects Ukraine Offer; West Escalates, Sends Kiev Tanks​


Runtime 1:20:39 2 hours ago

(from the comments at the link)
TIME STAMPS
- Tanks to Ukraine 00:00
- Battlefield update 01:31
-- Zaporizhzhia area 02:00
-- Ukrainian attempts at Kherson? 10:07
-- Ukraine down to 1.3k shells/day, Russians 20k shells/day 13:00
-- Vuhledar 17:27
-- Southern attacks to keep pressure up 20:17
-- Belarus Border uncertainty 23:00
-- Lukaschenko publishing Zelensky's private non-agression plea 27:20
-- 30:41 Bakhmut
- Increasing concern in Western Media 44:00
- Daily Telegraph article 49:20
- Division rising in the West 53:10
- Jeffery Roberts Irish Times article 54:20
-- Putins restraint so far remarkable
-- West on road to all-out war
-- Western tanks will achieve nothing 57:40
-- Tanks: Western Politicians merely covering their a$$es 58:45
- BBC 20k Russian casualties 1:02:04
- Embarrassing tanks comedy next curtain 01:09:50
 

blindhog

Flats Captain
GREAT HEADLINES - but the detail is in the fine print - NEW PRODUCTION - Likely in a YEAR or SO!!!
The US has HUNDREDS om M1's in Europe - they could ship 31 across the border in a few days.
So effectively these will never be sent!

So what is this actually all about?????

First - US Arms manufactures get a nice new contract- around $400 Million in sales for new tanks (and related support)

But likely KEY - forcing Germany to send and allow their tanks to be used - AGAINST RUSSIA
While the actual number NATO will send has varied from 100 to 400 +/- Effectively these 1980 vintage tanks will make no difference - Russia has already taken out around 3000 Ukrainian tanks - when they had even fewer troops engaged.

A theory that has been floating around - and gaining more support - is this is all about preventing Germany from reconnecting with Russia - to so sour the relationships so much that it will be difficult / impossible to reestablish normal relations.

The EU is a major Industrial / Trading block that the US competes with - and Germany is the backbone of that EU production! But up till now that strong German Industrial production was based on extensive trade with Russia - primarily NG (energy) as well as other raw materials - like the Titanium needed for their tanks!

The US / UK taking out the NS 1&2 NG pipeline was 100% to prevent Germany from trying to save their industrial base by restarting gas flows from Russia - no NS gas - well the US can supply LNG (at 4 to 5x the price). Effectively a major increase in the cost of production - pricing German goods out of the market - forcing many to shutdown.

But the icing on cake - GERMAN tanks - attacking RUSSIAN troops - AGAIN - having suffered some 27 million military and civilians deaths in World War II - mainly from GERMAN forces - this triggers a reaction that no one in the West can understand - Everyone in Russia has a personal story and loses related to this - a national trauma - not forgotten.

So despite the PR and SPIN - objective analysis clearly points to Russia winning this conflict - but what is critical to the US (assuming we avoid a Nuclear War) is that post the Ukrainian conflict - Germany industry will have been kneecapped - blocked from reestablishing their prewar status - effectively taking out the EU as a major competitor to the US.

The best path for Germany would be to break from the EU - patch up political issues with Russia and together build out a new industrial base - Germany does not need the EU - or the US - they need Energy and raw materials - their future is facing East.

More details on the US Tanks:
US to send Ukraine 31 tanks in abrupt Biden White House reversal
So........doesn't Germany see this? How can they not realize this angle on things? Mmmmmm
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Extremely unlikely - again just more Anti-Russian BS & SPIN. Just as Ukraine is effectively not able to use NATO equipment - training, maintenance, replacement parts, and AMMO - Russia would have the same issues trying to field and SUPPORT US equipment - it would be a major PITA - and the time and effort necessary would far exceed any benefit. If Russia wanted to purchase Arms - then the best / most practical move would be ammo from NK - exactly the same as used by Russia - and given NK NEED for Oil - simple Oil for AMMO - win - win.
I agree with all of the above, absolutely true in every aspect.
However on the world stage, consider the publicity value of say this.
Bagram Afghanistan - Unbelievably Cheap Prices
A half-dozen M1 Abrams tanks, helicopters, etc. traded for grain for the Taliban.
To be picked up at Afghanistan's largest airfield......Bagram Airfield.
The pictures alone would be worth the cost to the Russians.
White House response?
Press Secretary response?:lkick::lkick::lkick:
Austin & Miley response?
 

vector7

Dot Collector

vector7

Dot Collector
Anna-Lena - German foreign ministry: “We are fighting a war against Russia.”
"Berlin will be destroyed if Germany continues supplying weapons to Ukrainian Nazis"
RT 30secs
View: https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1617901901986828289?s=20&t=t1HF13c3p4fYb9FsqFBH7g

“We’re moving from special military operation mode to a completely different mode. We’re going into holy war mode, for real. We are up against 50 countries that are united by Satanism.” — Vladimir Solovyev
RT 17secs
View: https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/status/1618143876942028804?s=20&t=LYFj48vPcm6nndVkkcdLIA
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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GREAT HEADLINES - but the detail is in the fine print - NEW PRODUCTION - Likely in a YEAR or SO!!!
The US has HUNDREDS om M1's in Europe - they could ship 31 across the border in a few days.
So effectively these will never be sent!

I'm hearing that only the "export" version of the M1A1 is allowed to be used by non-U.S. forces.

The "export" version has a "non-secret" armor package and has degraded communications, navigation, and networking equipment.

Apparently we have no export versions in stock so it may take months or years until U.S. export versions become available.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic

German Foreign Minister Just Said The Quiet Part Out Loud On Ukraine​

BY TYLER DURDEN
ZERO HEDGE
WEDNESDAY, JAN 25, 2023 - 01:09 PM

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock bluntly stated in fresh remarks that Western allies are fighting a war against Russia. The remarks came during a debate at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) on Tuesday amid discussions over sending Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.

While Baerbock's words were largely ignored in mainstream media, a number of pundits on social media noted with alarm that the German foreign minister just essentially declared war on Russia.

Ironically other German officials have long sought to emphasize their country is not a party to the conflict, fearing uncontrollable escalation.

Contradicting this official stance, Baerbock said the quiet part out loud, and introduced the comments with: "And therefore I’ve said already in the last days – yes, we have to do more to defend Ukraine. Yes, we have to do more also on tanks."
And that's when she asserted: "But the most important and the crucial part is that we do it together and that we do not do the blame game in Europe, because we are fighting a war against Russia and not against each other.”

Interestingly, both Chancellor Olaf Scholz and his former defense minister who recently resigned, Christine Lambrecht, have been seen as weak on arming Ukraine - repeatedly declaring an unwillingness to get pulled deeper into the proxy war aspect to the conflict. But now it seems the more hawkish Baerbock is willing to at this point be much more open with the reality of what's happening.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova seized on the comments, saying this is yet more proof that the Western allies were planning a war on Russia all along...

"If we add this to Merkel’s revelations that they were strengthening Ukraine and did not count on the Minsk agreements, then we are talking about a war against Russia that was planned in advance. Don’t say later that we didn’t warn you," Zakharova said.

One thing is for sure, things are moving fast...

 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
Turkey says country may leave NATO due to provocations in five to six months
11:09, 25.01.2023
Region:World News, Turkey


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Turkey's deputy chairman of Turkey's Motherland Party, Ethem Sancak, said Turkey could leave the North Atlantic Alliance in five to six months, the Aydinlik newspaper reported.
"NATO is forcing us to do so with its provocations. They are trying to pit us against our neighbor Greece. Turkey will leave NATO in five to six months. They are trying to drag us into the maelstrom in the Middle East. Finally, you see actions against the Koran in Sweden and the Netherlands," Sancak said.
He also noted that recent polls have shown that at least 80 percent of the Turkish population believes the U.S. is a country that has a hostile and destructive policy toward the republic.
"Recently, the Turkish people have become sympathetic to Russia and [Russian President Vladimir] Putin," the politician concluded. Turkey says country may leave NATO due to provocations in five to six months

Biden seems more willing to risk nuclear war over the Ukraine than Taiwan
don,t worry that will happen in due time
 

Abert

Veteran Member
I agree with all of the above, absolutely true in every aspect.
However on the world stage, consider the publicity value of say this.
Bagram Afghanistan - Unbelievably Cheap Prices
A half-dozen M1 Abrams tanks, helicopters, etc. traded for grain for the Taliban.
To be picked up at Afghanistan's largest airfield......Bagram Airfield.
The pictures alone would be worth the cost to the Russians.
White House response?
Press Secretary response?:lkick::lkick::lkick:
Austin & Miley response?
Wonder when this "surplus" ends up on E-bay - some nice nigh vision would be great
 

raven

TB Fanatic
BREAKING - Putin is negotiating with Taliban on the purchase of US coalition military equipment that was left behind in Afghanistan as a result of the United States' hasty withdrawal in 2021 for use in the war against Ukraine.

$7.12B in aircraft, vehicles, weapons +

If this is true, and it’s really a smart move by the Russians, then I’m sure “Lord of War” Victor Bout is helping to facilitate the purchase.

I’m glad we traded him for that Trans basketball player.

biden.gif

View: https://twitter.com/Bayrunner87/status/1618210806621163523?t=OFVd4ubsKkjV2uCrqizKpw&s=19
This is likely just a sarcastic response to someone in our military establishment saying we should acquire Russian tanks from Cuba and Venezuela and send them to Ukraine to illustrate how ridiculous our administration is.

Less likely it is just an opening bid in an auction to ensure that Biden doesn't buy the equipment for pennies on the dollar.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Turkey says country may leave NATO due to provocations in five to six months
11:09, 25.01.2023
Region:World News, Turkey


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Turkey's deputy chairman of Turkey's Motherland Party, Ethem Sancak, said Turkey could leave the North Atlantic Alliance in five to six months, the Aydinlik newspaper reported.
"NATO is forcing us to do so with its provocations. They are trying to pit us against our neighbor Greece. Turkey will leave NATO in five to six months. They are trying to drag us into the maelstrom in the Middle East. Finally, you see actions against the Koran in Sweden and the Netherlands," Sancak said.
He also noted that recent polls have shown that at least 80 percent of the Turkish population believes the U.S. is a country that has a hostile and destructive policy toward the republic.
"Recently, the Turkish people have become sympathetic to Russia and [Russian President Vladimir] Putin," the politician concluded. Turkey says country may leave NATO due to provocations in five to six months
Considering the domestic political/MSM circumstances in Turkey, I wouldn't have much faith in their internal polls that are quoted by their politicians. Garbage in garbage out.
 

Housecarl

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Putin: "Strictly speaking, formally, legally, there are American occupation troops on the territory of the Federal Republic[Germany],but in fact there are, there are a lot of them there.
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View: https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1618236917077929984?s=20&t=7CmNFJ4FZ86y1lnhbSquPQ
A point of view that can definitely be backed up by history and Putin looking into the mirror visa vi the former Warsaw Pact deployments of the Soviet/Russian military.
 
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