ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

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Catturd2: When did Ukraine become our 51st state?

Silly cat - we would never send this much money to one of our states.



Unless it was being laundered for the Permanent DC Regime.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616514569350053890

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[wait-n-see]

US, Allies Send More Weapons to Ukraine in Absence of Real Solution​

Runtime - 33:01

Jan 20, 2023 Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for January 20, 2023.

- BBC citing Ukrainian sources admit that Soledar is under Russian control and Bakhmut is facing encirclement;

- The West is increasing the amount of weapons sent to Ukraine including weapon systems entirely inappropriate for Ukrainian forces;

- The latest US military aid package falls far short of even sustaining Ukrainian operations and covering its losses;

- The package includes Stryker armored personnel carriers, adding yet another type of vehicle that needs a separate logistical line and training program for the APC role;

- The West is not sending this hodgepodge of equipment because it thinks it's the best option but instead because it is the only option.

References:
BBC - Ukraine war: Ukraine admits pulling out of front line town of Soledar: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...
US Department of Defense - Biden Administration Announces Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine Jan. 19, 2023: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases...
FT - US finalising plans to send nearly 100 Stryker combat vehicles to Ukraine: https://www.ft.com/content/d57b3b63-a...
Forbes - The Ukrainian Army Could Form Three New Heavy Brigades With All These Tanks And Fighting Vehicles It’s Getting: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe...
AFP (via France 24) - US ammunition supplies dwindle as Ukraine war drains stockpiles: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news...
Politico - Tanks, no tanks: Scholz holds key to Leopards for Ukraine, but waits for Biden: https://www.politico.eu/article/olaf-...
1945 - Bradley Fighting Vehicle Platoon Leader: Ukraine Can’t Use Them Immediately To Fight Russia: https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/01/b...

 

[LightEcho]

LightEcho - thanks for the update to the 80's - I was at TransCom Europe and our primary planning was on the relocation of commands and units - most to Belgium - within a 3 day window of Soviet Armor going West. And as you note - even in 1970 the US (NATO) had ZERO expectation that our conventional forces had ANY chance of stopping their Tanks.
I do not think/recall that line units had the authorization to use nukes at their level - needed to come from DC - but this was not an area we were involved with. Interesting to note that in the 80's they did!
Which points to the very real possibility that without question in 2023 the policy is still in place.
In the 70's and 80's our official public policy was no first strike (yet on the ground / real world not the case)
Now with the US claiming the right to use Nukes first - without any reason needed things are going in a very dangerous direction.

Figures that command units had an escape plan and we had a DIP plan (die-in-place). I cannot confirm that line units had nuke authority. That was outside my purview. It was spoken of as a special engineers group would arrive with the "supplies" and in our assigned areas, we were warned of locations in case we survived and tried to evade, not to count on that route. Artillery was managed at a higher level. I am convinced that the nuke threat ensured the Soviets that we weren't worth the battle.

Soviet tactics at that time were perfect for nuke strikes. They would mass armored vehicles and artillery in giant wedges to strike deep. I am surprised we have not seen a hint of that yet in Ukraine. Russia sure had demilitarized. The idiots running the world now have awakened the bear to help with the depopulation plan.

 

[DuckandCover]

Same in the 70's - EVERYONE was aware that our front line units to the East were effectively expendable - as noted the BEST that could be expected is they SLOWED the Soviet Armor enough for most (not all) of the key commands and support to "BUG OUT" - even at our command - many 4:00 in the morning DRILLS - truck lined up and troops loading equipment and docs to "operate" from field locations - if necessary!
So today with the US and NATO a fraction of what they were in the 70's and 80's and Russia in a massive buildup of their armed forces and supporting industries over the last 10-20 years we sill have the "PRO WAR" group in DC thinking we can roll over Russia without even breaking a sweat.
When Russia moves - Europe better HOPE all they want is Eastern Ukraine - because - like the 70's and 80's there would be nothing to stop them this time as well!

So, Russia would have rolled over NATO in days during the 70's and now NATO is much weaker, while Russia is getting much stronger. However, after nearly a year, Russia still hasn't taken over Ukraine and has in fact lost some of its initial gains. Shall we now conclude that Ukraine is now MUCH stronger that NATO ever was? I dunno........ something seems off with the math.

 

[wait-n-see]

Freeland, beat Russia boost profits. Elensky, Putin green screen. Economist, Erdogan must go.​

Runtime - 33:11

 

[mzkitty]

Yeah, right............

 

[DuckandCover]

Yeah, right............

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Are they planning to do something that would cause NATO to attack Moscow?

 

[LightEcho]

So, Russia would have rolled over NATO in days during the 70's and now NATO is much weaker, while Russia is getting much stronger. However, after nearly a year, Russia still hasn't taken over Ukraine and has in fact lost some of its initial gains. Shall we now conclude that Ukraine is now MUCH stronger that NATO ever was? I dunno........ something seems off with the math.

Russia could have won the land battle in the 70's & 80's except we had tactical nukes that would have wiped out their massed assault forces. Also, our submarine forces were much better than theirs and they would have been nuked from the sea with no defense.

Much of that has been reversed. Now Russia has a large submarine fleet and their technology has gotten much better so that we cannot begin to track them all. They have hypersonic missiles (Zirkon) that can hit US targets in less than an hour, flying in excess of 7000 mph. They have a high speed torpedo that uses water vapor as the glide stream for speeds over 200mph, but it is unknown if they worked out guidance systems with them or they must slow down to acquire targets. They have a large torpedo (Poseidan) which can carry a nuke payload, now estimated at 2 megatons, but if we know better we are not saying. They can launch these from hundreds of miles away to damage and contaminate shipyards, ports, coastal areas.

Russia demilitarized over the last 20 years. NATO / US (the masters of) decided to wake Russia up, now that they have weakened the US to a feeble range. Ukraine is a basket case. They are just being used as the slaughterhouse. Russia still has not entirely mobilized and they will not back down this time. They cannot.

 

[155 arty]

Russia could have won the land battle in the 70's & 80's except we had tactical nukes that would have wiped out their massed assault forces. Also, our submarine forces were much better than theirs and they would have been nuked from the sea with no defense.

Much of that has been reversed. Now Russia has a large submarine fleet and their technology has gotten much better so that we cannot begin to track them all. They have hypersonic missiles (Zirkon) that can hit US targets in less than an hour, flying in excess of 7000 mph. They have a high speed torpedo that uses water vapor as the glide stream for speeds over 200mph, but it is unknown if they worked out guidance systems with them or they must slow down to acquire targets. They have a large torpedo (Poseidan) which can carry a nuke payload, now estimated at 2 megatons, but if we know better we are not saying. They can launch these from hundreds of miles away to damage and contaminate shipyards, ports, coastal areas.

Russia demilitarized over the last 20 years. NATO / US (the masters of) decided to wake Russia up, now that they have weakened the US to a feeble range. Ukraine is a basket case. They are just being used as the slaughterhouse. Russia still has not entirely mobilized and they will not back down this time. They cannot.

In the early 80's we would have rolled over Russia in Europe. It would have gone nuke tho as we started squashing them ,then all bets off .
The training we did in the 80s was intense. And lots of it ...I watch artillery Crews now and footage of us back then ..with a few exceptions we would run circles around most arty Crews now ,except for range .
The 777 arty system is slower than our old 1940 based system we had .ours was simple and fast

 

[LightEcho]

In the early 80's we would have rolled over Russia in Europe. It would have gone nuke tho as we started squashing them ,then all bets off .
The training we did in the 80s was intense. And lots of it ...I watch artillery Crews now and footage of us back then ..with a few exceptions we would run circles around most arty Crews now ,except for range .
The 777 arty system is slower than our old 1940 based system we had .ours was simple and fast

I would differ greatly on that. I think you are missing some punctuation. Let me try a fix....

In the early 80's we would have rolled over. Russia in Europe.

Any nukes we used would have been defensive and hopefully would have had massive targets hit. We would have been wiped out in a couple days using only conventional. Have you ever seen the matched layout of NATO vrs Soviet weapons? Their artillery was something like 50 times ours. Armor was about 10:1 in their favor. Their mistake back then- not having the economic power to support a war.

I don't care how fast our cannon cockers were or how accurate. When you are getting blanket shelled by 20 batteries and your entire line wise cut up, what will your team do?

Here is a rough comparison. The totals are not battlefield ready. Most of US equipment would be on slow boats across a deadly ocean.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dcb0e03adba668563e5097e7da88f303-c

Here is another pic breaking down the weapons- 1978. We had soem excellent charts back then... can't find any now.

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

Are they planning to do something that would cause NATO to attack Moscow?

we have special operations units littered throughout Russia right now. There are concerns of a false flag attack.

The situation right now is a hot cold war by definition...

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

I would differ greatly on that. I think you are missing some punctuation. Let me try a fix....

In the early 80's we would have rolled over. Russia in Europe.

Any nukes we used would have been defensive and hopefully would have had massive targets hit. We would have been wiped out in a couple days using only conventional. Have you ever seen the matched layout of NATO vrs Soviet weapons? Their artillery was something like 50 times ours. Armor was about 10:1 in their favor. Their mistake back then- not having the economic power to support a war.

I don't care how fast our cannon cockers were or how accurate. When you are getting blanket shelled by 20 batteries and your entire line wise cut up, what will your team do?

Here is a rough comparison. The totals are not battlefield ready. Most of US equipment would be on slow boats across a deadly ocean.
View attachment 392475

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dcb0e03adba668563e5097e7da88f303-c

Here is another pic breaking down the weapons- 1978. We had soem excellent charts back then... can't find any now.

View attachment 392476

Also note that China is trying to figure out how to build a shipping vessel that can move a bunch of military vehicles here for a quick deployment.

I saw that on the Taiwan thread where they are trying out how to figure out how to pull off a Blitzkreig type invasion of Taiwan and maybe even here...

 

[LightEcho]

we have special operations units littered throughout Russia right now. There are concerns of a false flag attack.

The situation right now is a hot cold war by definition...

I hope that is wrong. If "we" have teams in Russia, we have entered into a hot war. No longer can we claim "just helping a friend in need". Here is the problem- if they fail to cause problems and are compromised, we are screwed. If they succeed and it is clear who they are, that sparks the fire and our cities are toasted early... I mean roasted-toasted.

 

[OldArcher]

I hope that is wrong. If "we" have teams in Russia, we have entered into a hot war. No longer can we claim "just helping a friend in need". Here is the problem- if they fail to cause problems and are compromised, we are screwed. If they succeed and it is clear who they are, that sparks the fire and our cities are toasted early... I mean roasted-toasted.

Yet another possibility of catastrophe. It would seem that those who are the PTB have no sense…

OA

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

I hope that is wrong. If "we" have teams in Russia, we have entered into a hot war. No longer can we claim "just helping a friend in need". Here is the problem- if they fail to cause problems and are compromised, we are screwed. If they succeed and it is clear who they are, that sparks the fire and our cities are toasted early... I mean roasted-toasted.

We already have folks in Ukraine. And a lot of the associated folks were told they have to help or else no more nice government contracts. The question is how many. Even the AWACS are techincally helping with people.

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

Yet another possibility of catastrophe. It would seem that those who are the PTB have no sense…

OA

Much like 1930-1940s germany...

 

[LightEcho]

We already have folks in Ukraine. And a lot of the associated folks were told they have to help or else no more nice government contracts. The question is how many. Even the AWACS are techincally helping with people.

Yes, and it is outrageous. For now we can still play the proxy game with blows only in Ukraine. The red line was when we or our missiles stray into Russia. Technically, that has already happened in Donbas, but the technicality of a foggy battlefield is still in play.

 

[Housecarl]

In the early 80's we would have rolled over Russia in Europe. It would have gone nuke tho as we started squashing them ,then all bets off .
The training we did in the 80s was intense. And lots of it ...I watch artillery Crews now and footage of us back then ..with a few exceptions we would run circles around most arty Crews now ,except for range .
The 777 arty system is slower than our old 1940 based system we had .ours was simple and fast

Yeah, the US 1940s based systems being simple and fast shooting are geared towards the kind of "push logistics" the US was capable of at that time. The UK/US M777 is focused not so much on volume than on precision and a more mobile battlefield, particularly when the newer, and relatively "cheaper" GPS guidance fuses are added (as opposed to the more expensive "Excalibur" rounds) or COIN/OOTW where it's low volume but very tight ROE/Lawfare. If saturation is the order of the day and CBUs are off the table then you're looking at MLRS unitary munitions.

All of this stuff is a lot more expensive and longer lead time to manufacture than the old stuff; the old quantity vs quality argument. For real mobile warfare or very restrictive ROE in COIN/OOTW that precision is king but in a reversion to effectively WWI/WWII/Korea/Iran-Iraq War style fighting if you're stuck in it, you need a lot of even the very precise to get things unstuck from the trench muck to movement.

 

[WTSR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616529194351202306

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1616529194351202306

 

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Bakhmut Operationally Encircled, Russia Advance Zaporozhye; West Talks Tank Deliveries Ramstein​

Runtime - 1:04:43
Jan 20, 2023

TIME STAMPS
- Intro 00:00
- Beginning (Russian) Zaporozhye offensive 01:41
- Plan: Cutting off supply lines? 06:23
- Bakhmut-Siwersk fighting continues 07:27
- Pronounciation Housekeeping 11:44
- Various other battlefront news 14:00
- Western tanks to Ukraine - Russian response 19:05
- Western tank drama in 15 curtains 23:00
- More technical tank discussions 27:22
- German Ex-General Kujat Commentary on tanks 31:41
- Istanbul peace negotiations 34:57
- Germany in effect disarming itself 37:20
- Minsk agreement sabotage 39:25
- NATO Agenda to permanently destroy German-Russian relations 44:25
- Military deliveries incoherences 47:10
- Still unwillingness to face reality 55:10
- W. Burns visit 58:08
- Meanwhile Russians go about their business 01:00:46

 

[Housecarl]

Are they planning to do something that would cause NATO to attack Moscow?

I'm guessing that the Russian ADA/IADS guys are figuring that it wouldn't take all that much for "someone" to conjure up a couple of truckloads of the same kind of low tech cruise missiles they the Russians have been getting from the Iranians (everyone keeps calling them drones or kamikaze drones but they're really land attack cruise missiles) and give them to the Ukrainians to let fly.

 

[155 arty]

I would differ greatly on that. I think you are missing some punctuation. Let me try a fix....

In the early 80's we would have rolled over. Russia in Europe.

Any nukes we used would have been defensive and hopefully would have had massive targets hit. We would have been wiped out in a couple days using only conventional. Have you ever seen the matched layout of NATO vrs Soviet weapons? Their artillery was something like 50 times ours. Armor was about 10:1 in their favor. Their mistake back then- not having the economic power to support a war.

I don't care how fast our cannon cockers were or how accurate. When you are getting blanket shelled by 20 batteries and your entire line wise cut up, what will your team do?

Here is a rough comparison. The totals are not battlefield ready. Most of US equipment would be on slow boats across a deadly ocean.
View attachment 392475

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dcb0e03adba668563e5097e7da88f303-c

Here is another pic breaking down the weapons- 1978. We had soem excellent charts back then... can't find any now.

View attachment 392476

Well ya can't argue the figures...

 

[155 arty]

I would differ greatly on that. I think you are missing some punctuation. Let me try a fix....

In the early 80's we would have rolled over. Russia in Europe.

Any nukes we used would have been defensive and hopefully would have had massive targets hit. We would have been wiped out in a couple days using only conventional. Have you ever seen the matched layout of NATO vrs Soviet weapons? Their artillery was something like 50 times ours. Armor was about 10:1 in their favor. Their mistake back then- not having the economic power to support a war.

I don't care how fast our cannon cockers were or how accurate. When you are getting blanket shelled by 20 batteries and your entire line wise cut up, what will your team do?

Here is a rough comparison. The totals are not battlefield ready. Most of US equipment would be on slow boats across a deadly ocean.
View attachment 392475

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dcb0e03adba668563e5097e7da88f303-c

Here is another pic breaking down the weapons- 1978. We had soem excellent charts back then... can't find any now.

View attachment 392476

Well ya can't argue the figures

I would differ greatly on that. I think you are missing some punctuation. Let me try a fix....

In the early 80's we would have rolled over. Russia in Europe.

Any nukes we used would have been defensive and hopefully would have had massive targets hit. We would have been wiped out in a couple days using only conventional. Have you ever seen the matched layout of NATO vrs Soviet weapons? Their artillery was something like 50 times ours. Armor was about 10:1 in their favor. Their mistake back then- not having the economic power to support a war.

I don't care how fast our cannon cockers were or how accurate. When you are getting blanket shelled by 20 batteries and your entire line wise cut up, what will your team do?

Here is a rough comparison. The totals are not battlefield ready. Most of US equipment would be on slow boats across a deadly ocean.
View attachment 392475

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-dcb0e03adba668563e5097e7da88f303-c

Here is another pic breaking down the weapons- 1978. We had soem excellent charts back then... can't find any now.

View attachment 392476

I still think Russian equipment was overrated...of course panzers and tiger tanks were superior in firepower but were overwhelmed by shear numbers

 

[LightEcho]

Well ya can't argue the figures

I still think Russian equipment was overrated...of course panzers and tiger tanks were superior in firepower but were overwhelmed by shear numbers

Oh yes- the Russian equipment back then was garbage. But there was so much of it we would run out of bullets and time trying to stop the horde.

This is why I am a bit surprised that it has taken them so long to figure out the plan. They really have been sleeping.

 

[Jaybird]

I hope that is wrong. If "we" have teams in Russia, we have entered into a hot war. No longer can we claim "just helping a friend in need". Here is the problem- if they fail to cause problems and are compromised, we are screwed. If they succeed and it is clear who they are, that sparks the fire and our cities are toasted early... I mean roasted-toasted.

If you think we haven't had teams in Russia for the last 30 years you are truly delusional. I think I see where all your post about Ukraine are coming from now.

 

[LightEcho]

If you think we haven't had teams in Russia for the last 30 years you are truly delusional. I think I see where all your post about Ukraine are coming from now.

Haha- very funny. Teams. Yup uhhh yup. So, where am I coming from?

 

[Jaybird]

Haha- very funny. Teams. Yup uhhh yup. So, where am I coming from?

Russia

 

[LightEcho]

Russia

You be soooo funny.

 

[Jaybird]

You be soooo funny.

Sure. OK.

 

[LightEcho]

Tell me jay, about those teams. No top secret stuff tho. Doan wanna git chyah in trubl nun.

 

[Jaybird]

I am going to step away from this. Hope Dennis picks it up.

 

[LightEcho]

I am going to step away from this. Hope Dennis picks it up.

Ok partner, me too. Hey doan tell nobuddy our secret.

 

[Abert]

So, Russia would have rolled over NATO in days during the 70's and now NATO is much weaker, while Russia is getting much stronger. However, after nearly a year, Russia still hasn't taken over Ukraine and has in fact lost some of its initial gains. Shall we now conclude that Ukraine is now MUCH stronger that NATO ever was? I dunno........ something seems off with the math.

All I can report on - having worked on the plans - NATO in 1970 had NO WAY to stop the Soviet Armor if they went West - other posts from others in the Service in the 80's again confirm NATO had little to no expectation they could stop Soviet Armor without using nukes. This was when NATO was at its strongest - before the downsizing "peace dividend"
So a direct US / NATO vs Russia today? We can HOPE we never find out.

 

[Zagdid]

MSN

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Navy SEAL deserter killed in Ukraine​

Story by Jennifer Griffin, Brie Stimson • Yesterday

A former Navy SEAL was killed in Ukraine on Wednesday, the Navy confirmed to Fox News Friday.

Daniel, W. Swift had been on active deserter status since March 2019

"We cannot speculate as to why the former Sailor was in Ukraine," the Navy said in a statement to Fox News.

Swift is the sixth known American to die in Ukraine during the war.
Swift, originally from Oregon, enlisted in 2005, according to the Navy, and was a Special Warfare Operator 1st Class.

He had several awards and decorations, including the Legion of Merit, Joint Service Commendation Medal and the Navy/Marine Corps Commendation Medal.

No Americans are fighting in Ukraine in an official capacity and the U.S. government has discouraged Americans from volunteering over concerns they could be captured by Russia.

RT:1:53

 

[Oreally]

details on the amount of supplies agreed to in Ramstein meeting.

tactical map of situation in Bakhmut

View: https://youtu.be/ZUvE80VhhHc


9 min

 

[Housecarl]

MSN

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Navy SEAL deserter killed in Ukraine​

Story by Jennifer Griffin, Brie Stimson • Yesterday

A former Navy SEAL was killed in Ukraine on Wednesday, the Navy confirmed to Fox News Friday.

Daniel, W. Swift had been on active deserter status since March 2019

"We cannot speculate as to why the former Sailor was in Ukraine," the Navy said in a statement to Fox News.

Swift is the sixth known American to die in Ukraine during the war.
Swift, originally from Oregon, enlisted in 2005, according to the Navy, and was a Special Warfare Operator 1st Class.

He had several awards and decorations, including the Legion of Merit, Joint Service Commendation Medal and the Navy/Marine Corps Commendation Medal.

No Americans are fighting in Ukraine in an official capacity and the U.S. government has discouraged Americans from volunteering over concerns they could be captured by Russia.

RT:1:53

Why does "the secretary will disavow you, your IMF members or any of your actions...good luck Jim" come to mind with this?

 

[CaryC]

Pentagon Already Sees Ukraine War Going Well Past 2023​

We've not so much as reached one full month into 2023, and the United States' top ranking general is already predicting the war in Ukraine will surely not end this year.

US Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Mark Milley issued a broad view assessment on the state of the battlefield while attending a US-hosted meeting in Germany at Ramstein airbase among allied defense ministers, which had as its focus sending more arms to Ukraine. Gen. Milley said: "From a military standpoint I still maintain that for this year it would be very, very difficult to militarily eject the Russian forces from all, every inch of... Russian-occupied Ukraine."

Milley in his comments said that currently there's a mostly "static" front line, which the exception of the (Russian) offensive in the area of Soledar and Bakhmut.

Despite officials at the meeting pledging more weapons to Ukraine, no significant decisions were made on the controversial question of sending Western-made heavy tanks.

Instead, the Biden administration says it's sticking by the decision to not send M1 Abrams tanks to Ukrainian forces. At the same time this may translate into Ukrainian forces holding back on any major attempt to push Russian forces back from current frontlines, particularly the now raging Bakhmut fighting.

"Senior US officials are urging Ukraine to hold off on launching a major offensive against Russian forces until the latest supply of weaponry is in place and training has been provided, a top Biden administration official says," according to one international report.

This was followed by: "Speaking to the Reuters news agency on the condition of anonymity, the official said the US was sticking to its decision not to provide Abrams tanks to Ukraine."

Again, 2023 has barely started, and here we are... the Pentagon expects this war to be stalemated and keep grinding on well into 2024.

Sadly, the casualties on either side will continue to mount. The Western allies will inevitably for the time being continue to embark on a massive expansion of their respective defense budgets...

Pentagon Already Sees Ukraine War Going Well Past 2023 | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

If that sounds interesting, read the next one I put up.

 

[CaryC]

Lindsey Graham Calls for Tanks for Ukraine: ‘World Order Is at Stake’​

Sen. Lindsey Grahm (R-SC) in Ukraine on Friday called for more military aid to Ukraine, charging that the “world order is at stake.”

Graham said, “We will continue to ask the American people and the congress to send aid to Ukraine, economic aid and military aid to accomplish the objective of driving the Russian invader out of Ukraine.”

Sens. Graham, Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) met with U.S. officials and Ukrainian officials, including President Volodymyr Zelensky.


“To achieve that goal, the Ukrainian military needs tanks. I am tired of the s*** show surrounding who is going to send tanks and when are they going to send them. Putin is trying to rewrite the map of Europe by force of arms. World order is at stake,” the South Carolina senator said.

“To the Germans: Send tanks to Ukraine because they need them. It is in your own national interest that Putin loses in Ukraine. To the Biden Administration: Send American tanks so that others will follow our lead,” he said.
“If Putin gets away with this, there goes Taiwan. If Putin’s successful in Ukraine and isn’t prosecuted under international law, everything we’ve said since WWII becomes a joke. He will continue beyond Ukraine,” Graham continued:

The bipartisan group of senators called for:

• Designating the Russian paramilitary organization the Wagner Group as a foreign terrorist organization under U.S. law
• Designating Russia a state sponsor of terrorism
• Assisting the International Criminal Court (ICC) to bring war crimes charges against Russians who have allegedly committed war crimes
• Continued military and economic aid to Ukraine

Blumenthal said today the conflict is in Ukraine but “tomorrow it will be us if we do not stop [Vladimir] Putin now.”
“We should not send American troops to Ukraine, but we should provide Ukraine with whatever we would give our troops if they were fighting on the ground,” the Connecticut senator said.

Breitbart News’s Kristina Wong reported that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said the U.S. will support Ukraine “for as long as it takes” after the Biden administration just announced another multibillion-dollar aid package to the country. This brings military assistance to Ukraine since the beginning of 2021 to $27.5 billion.

The U.S. has provided more than $100 billion since the conflict began.

Meanwhile, defense contractors have been raking in millions of dollars as the Biden administration continues its endless support for Ukraine.

Lindsey Graham Calls for Tanks for Ukraine: 'World Order Is at Stake'

Sen. Lindsey Grahm (R-SC) in Ukraine on Friday called for more military aid to Ukraine, charging that the "world order is at stake."

www.breitbart.com

You did notice where they were when they said this, right? Ukraine.

 

[WTSR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616746781995417600

View: https://mobile.twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1616746781995417600

 

[raven]

MSN

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Navy SEAL deserter killed in Ukraine​

Story by Jennifer Griffin, Brie Stimson • Yesterday

A former Navy SEAL was killed in Ukraine on Wednesday, the Navy confirmed to Fox News Friday.

Daniel, W. Swift had been on active deserter status since March 2019

"We cannot speculate as to why the former Sailor was in Ukraine," the Navy said in a statement to Fox News.

Swift is the sixth known American to die in Ukraine during the war.
Swift, originally from Oregon, enlisted in 2005, according to the Navy, and was a Special Warfare Operator 1st Class.

He had several awards and decorations, including the Legion of Merit, Joint Service Commendation Medal and the Navy/Marine Corps Commendation Medal.

No Americans are fighting in Ukraine in an official capacity and the U.S. government has discouraged Americans from volunteering over concerns they could be captured by Russia.

RT:1:53

yea, the guy they described . . . Special Warfare Operator 1st Class (E6) with 14 years of service and a Legion of Merit could be thought of in terms of the Casey Ryback that Steven Seagal portrayed.

The Legion of Merit - . . . It may also be awarded to very senior enlisted personnel who are typically in the rank of CSM and SMA in the Army, FLTCM and MCPON in the Navy, CMSAF in the Air Force and SgtMajMC in the Marine Corps. However, these instances are less frequent . . .

Perhaps today they pass out these kinds of awards like candy to make up for deficiencies in pay but when I served, the Legion of Merit was significant. An E6 with 14 years service and a Legion of Merit going AWOL and not being found by NCIS? . . . is the backstory of an exciting work of fiction.