WAR RUSSIA BLOCKS KERCH STRAIT AND ENGAGES UKRANIAN NAVY PART TWO 12-7-2018

[Truthsearch]

War is coming!

No doubt that Russia will invade Ukraine. The question is if the USA will come to the Ukraine's defense; and that means WWIII as US and Russian troops are then shooting at each other. That is my prediction.....what are your thoughts?

 

[Housecarl]

No doubt that Russia will invade Ukraine. The question is if the USA will come to the Ukraine's defense; and that means WWIII as US and Russian troops are then shooting at each other. That is my prediction.....what are your thoughts?

Mixed into that is the question of what steps the Russians are willing to take to deal with potential US and NATO reaction, upto and including the equivalent to "stop cuts"...

 

[naegling62]

No doubt that Russia will invade Ukraine. The question is if the USA will come to the Ukraine's defense; and that means WWIII as US and Russian troops are then shooting at each other. That is my prediction.....what are your thoughts?

You know, I'm not into this line of thinking, but Russia very well could be behind the Yellow Vests causing disruption in NATO countries. It would be the perfect move by the Russians if they were planning on war with NATO in UKR. Watch to see if the Yellow Vests spread rapidly.

 

[northern watch]

Shacknasty Shagrat,

I went to Flight Tracker and took a screen shot of the Ukraine area, as suspected very little air traffic over the Ukraine at present' then following from Red Baron I took a screen shot from ADS-B Exchange, same result very little air traffic in the Ukraine area.

 

[Red Baron]

northern watch,
Would you, or someone else as savant, post a current image of air traffic in the Ukraine area?
SS

ADS-B Exchange

https://global.adsbexchange.com/VirtualRadar/desktop.html

Nothing flying over Ukraine at this time.

Interesting that not one military plane of any nationality has their transponder on. Haven't seen that happen before.

All the planes on the screen are supposedly civilian.

 

[AlfaMan]

Quick explanation.

Russia won't be paying their bills owed internationally. And the disconnection may prevent inbound cyber attacks from hurting the Russian banking system.

This also means Russia will be using a third country in which to run it's banking and bankrolling affairs through. My bet is Belarus would be that third country.

UAWire‏ @uawire · 4h4 hours ago

Kremlin tells Russian banks to prepare for disconnection from international #Russia payment systems

 

[Shacknasty Shagrat]

Planes to the East of Ukraine, planes to the West of Ukraine, but oddly, no planes(civilian) over Ukraine.
I had a hunch it would look like that.
SS

 

[Housecarl]

Quick explanation.

Russia won't be paying their bills owed internationally. And the disconnection may prevent inbound cyber attacks from hurting the Russian banking system.

This also means Russia will be using a third country in which to run it's banking and bankrolling affairs through. My bet is Belarus would be that third country.

Kazakhstan or Armenia are possible as well....

 

[TxGal]

I guess they are talking about the SWIFT system. If we do that to them they are officially a pariah state to the West. They won't be able to trade with the world. That would be the first move we would make before war in my opinion.

Thank you!

 

[TxGal]

Quick explanation.

Russia won't be paying their bills owed internationally. And the disconnection may prevent inbound cyber attacks from hurting the Russian banking system.

This also means Russia will be using a third country in which to run it's banking and bankrolling affairs through. My bet is Belarus would be that third country.

Thank you!

 

[AlfaMan]

Current NOTAMs (NOtices To AirMen) for Ukranian airspace.If I'm reading this right Ukranian airspace is under direct control from the surface to 1500 metres-roughly 5000 feet.
Exactly the airspace where ground attack aircraft would operate in.

https://www.notams.faa.gov/dinsQuer...ctionType=notamRetrievalByICAOs&submit=NOTAMs


Locations:
UKFV
Data Current as of: Sun, 09 Dec 2018 02:27:00 GMT
UKFV SIMFEROPOL FIR [Back to Top]



A3604/18 (Issued for UKBV UKDV UKFV UKLV UKOV) - TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA BOUNDED BY COORDINATES:
463234N 0360358E 455348N 0344825E
455451N 0344339E 460023N 0343520E
455642N 0342906E 460327N 0342130E
460742N 0340501E 460653N 0340116E
461229N 0335009E 461115N 0334355E
461336N 0333837E 461319N 0333627E
460852N 0333735E 460720N 0333529E
460417N 0333519E 455906N 0332834E
455411N 0330738E 455242N 0323043E
462300N 0310700E 451200N 0294500E
THEN ALONG STATE BOUNDARY UNTIL POINT
482753N 0272951E 490515N 0272443E
494719N 0275130E 495314N 0285219E
493828N 0293302E 482544N 0301950E
480213N 0330333E 473526N 0330942E
473724N 0344253E 480848N 0344937E
480805N 0354958E 473846N 0353706E
471448N 0354724E 465400N 0354700E
463234N 0360358E ACTIVATED.
FLIGHTS OF CIVIL UNMANNED AIRCRAFTS ARE PROHIBITED.
RESTRICTION IS NOT APPLIED FOR:
-FLIGHTS OF STATE ACFT OF UKRAINE
-REGULAR AND CHARTER FLIGHTS
-FLIGHTS ACFT FOR SEARCH AND RESCUE AND MEDICAL ASSISTANCE
FLIGHTS OF CIVIL ACFT IN AREA IS AUTHORIZED UNDER CONDITIONS:
- RECEIVING PERMISSION OF AIR FORCE COMMAND OF THE
ARMED FORCES OF UKRAINE
-FPL SENDING IN UKRAEROCENTRE THE DAY BEFORE UNTIL 1200(UTC)
-NOT LATER THAN ONE HOUR BEFORE DEPARTURE
RECEIVING PERMISSION OF AIR FORCE OF UKRAINE
THROUGH UKRAEROCENTRE ON FLIGHT
-RECEIVING CONDITIONS FROM ATS
- INFORMING AIR DEFENS UNIT OF AIR FORCES OF
UKRAINE AND AIR TRAFFIC SERVICE ABOUT FLIGHT. SFC - 1500M AMSL, 07 DEC 00:00
2018 UNTIL 27 DEC 23:59 2018. CREATED: 07 DEC 00:06 2018

 

[Shacknasty Shagrat]

I hope the soldiers on 'our' side in critical or strategic locations ,( sentries, forward outposts, reactionary forces)
are getting a full battle load or whatever they want to fight the Spetsnaz with.
I wonder where all the SU 24,25 and 34s are tonight.
SS

 

[Profit of Doom]

Yeah, but Oops was the show-stopper.

Goes well with vasectomy
AKA “snip, snip, snip, “WHAT?!””

 

[SAPPHIRE]

atomic chess matches are nerve-wracking...…...a real oops

 

[Shacknasty Shagrat]

I can't get the image to post.
SS


CivMilAir
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‏ @CivMilAir

Conga line of 18 USAF Hercs over Texas
6:25 PM - 8 Dec 2018


http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt8O_DbXQAIYI1g.jpg:large

 

[northern watch]

I can't get the image to post.
SS

CivMilAir
✈
þ @CivMilAir

Conga line of 18 USAF Hercs over Texas
6:25 PM - 8 Dec 2018


http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt8O_DbXQAIYI1g.jpg:large

I saved picture as then

 

[NoMoreLibs]

I can't get the image to post.
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CivMilAir
✈
‏ @CivMilAir

Conga line of 18 USAF Hercs over Texas
6:25 PM - 8 Dec 2018


http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt8O_DbXQAIYI1g.jpg:large

The pics say 130's, the tail numbers say new planes. -17's?

 

[night driver]

Gee, there's only about an 80% BUMP in payload from 130 to 17....

 

[danielboon]

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Last round? Russia has been initiating violence against Ukraine on daily basis since Feb 2014. Earlier if you want to reference Yanukovych.

 

[Doomer Doug]

The pieces are all falling into place.

Hmm, it looks like Porky the chocolate warmonger is going to pull the trigger and storm the Kerch Strait. when he does that, it is game on. Next, the Baltic States "sanctioning Russia," falls into the "The Mouse that Roared," movie with Peter Sellers a few decades ago. Putin is no doubt quaking!

It is standard Russian tactical doctrine to cause chaos and disruption prior to any actual invasion. The Yellow Vests fall into that category, as in stoking a fire, rather than starting one. Finally, Russia has ABSOLUTE MILITARY SUPERIORITY OVER THE US, THE EU, NATO ETC. I'm not going to argue the point. We will realize it when they are on the eastern bank of the Dniepper River staring at downtown Kiev within 72 hours of breaching the border. The level of folly and arrogance in the EU, the USA, NATO etc related to operational combat abilities of "western forces," against what Putin can bring to the table is astounding. At any rate, the clincher is our DOD, Mattis, who is reputedly going to be gone WITHIN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS is going all Alfaman Black Suburban convoy mode.

I now list two "official" Alfaman criteria. The first is the Black Helicopter mode, and the second is now, apparently the Black Suburban Convoy mode.

Sadly, the ordering Pizza criteria has gone the way of the Sabre Tooth Tiger.

Yep, one thing is sure of happening. WE WILL NOT KNOW RUSSIA HAS INVADED THE UKRAINE BEFORE THEY ARE PISSING IN DOWNTOWN KIEV.

Being a veteran of an armored brigade I can say the top combat speed of a modern tank is in 30 to 45 mph, maybe even faster on a modern road, which means all those tanks lining the Ukraine border will be moving 300 to 600 MILES PER DAY.

The distance from Kiev to the Russian border is 236 miles. This is the distance from Portland to Seattle. RUSSIA WILL CRUSH UKRAINE'S SO CALLED MILITARY, AND THEY WILL DO IT IN 1 TO 3 DAYS.

After baiting the Russian bear, NATO et al then made it a point to NOT GIVE ENOUGH STUFF FOR THE UKRAINE MILITARY TO BE A CREDIBLE THREAT TO RUSSIA. The Ukraine was given "javelin anti tank missiles." However, they have maybe enough to engage ONE RUSSIAN ARMOR COMPANY.

Air Force? Everything Ukraine has will be shot down the first hour.

Navy: The Ukraine has no navy and will be EXTERMINATED BY THE RUSSIAN BLACK SEA FLEET.

Army, DON'T MAKE DOOMER DOUG LAUGH!!

Yep, the Ukrainian massacre may very well happen by the end of this year, as in 3 weeks from now.

The Russians went into Aghanistan over the Christmas weekend by in 1979.

 

[Truthsearch]

What are the odds of the USA being drawn in?

 

[Housecarl]

Doomer Doug, with all due respect though Putin's forces are likely to seize their objectives, IMHO it is going to not be without those forces seriously paying for it.

Yeah, Ukrainian, heck for that matter US forces in all of Europe, stocks of Javelin ATGMs are likely that low. That being said I'd hazard to guess Ukrainian stocks of RPG rounds and AT mines is very likely to make any Russian move into their territory expensive.

The next problem for the Russians would be upon the end of stage one of such an operation would be "now what?".

 

[pirate]

atomic chess matches are nerve-wracking...…...a real oops

dont buy into this fear
it is an illusion that might actually cost several thousand lives, dads,sons,daughters.
all stop is whats needed.
we can do that by being American.
respond if you disagree

 

[Doomer Doug]

Back at ya, Housecarl respect wise. Still, I can't take Ukraine seriously in the military sense. They are a bunch of poorly armed, poorly supplied, poorly led, neo nazi yahoos who are going to now go up against one of the premier military forces in the world. THE UKRAINE WILL GET ITS TROOPS SLAUGHTERED. MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE A FEW ALAMO MOMENTS, BUT THAT IS ALL.

It will be like the opening of World War Two, where the British and French troops were firing 37 mm anti tank rounds at Panzers with four inches of armor and watching them bounce off.

It won't be pretty. It won't take long. And Russia will occupy Kiev within the first 3 days. And exactly what military force will NATO then deploy to help the Ukraine. Will the Germans, and the British send all of their 8 combat effective Navy ships to the Black Sea? Or will they deploy all 100 modern tanks they have? How about sending in all 150 modern fighters they have?
Sheesh, it won't even be close.

 

[Housecarl]

Back at ya, Housecarl respect wise. Still, I can't take Ukraine seriously in the military sense. They are a bunch of poorly armed, poorly supplied, poorly led, neo nazi yahoos who are going to now go up against one of the premier military forces in the world. THE UKRAINE WILL GET ITS TROOPS SLAUGHTERED. MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE A FEW ALAMO MOMENTS, BUT THAT IS ALL.

It will be like the opening of World War Two, where the British and French troops were firing 37 mm anti tank rounds at Panzers with four inches of armor and watching them bounce off.

It won't be pretty. It won't take long. And Russia will occupy Kiev within the first 3 days. And exactly what military force will NATO then deploy to help the Ukraine. Will the Germans, and the British send all of their 8 combat effective Navy ships to the Black Sea? Or will they deploy all 100 modern tanks they have? How about sending in all 150 modern fighters they have?
Sheesh, it won't even be close.

I'm thinking in terms of the recent experience of combined arms in both Iraq and Syria moving through urban areas and restrictive terrain. Just the number of bridges the Russians will need to seize or bypass with their own bridging gear could make a 200 mile thrust one of a continuously slipping schedule and the longer such an operation runs, the worse it goes for the Russian plan.

That's what I see from my armchair.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Massive forced entry manuvers going on out west
.
I'm talking HUGE.

SOMEONE SHOULD GET ON IT....I'm on my phone....cant do it.

 

[naegling62]

What are the odds of the USA being drawn in?

Drawn in? We are in. We just aren't openly committing troops...yet.

 

[Shacknasty Shagrat]

I'm thinking in terms of the recent experience of combined arms in both Iraq and Syria moving through urban areas and restrictive terrain. Just the number of bridges the Russians will need to seize or bypass with their own bridging gear could make a 200 mile thrust one of a continuously slipping schedule and the longer such an operation runs, the worse it goes for the Russian plan
That's what I see from my armchair.

HC, you are sort of suggesting a strategy like the Russians and Saddam developed in GW!!
Kind of a rope a dope.
This worked against Western forces with pussy leadership.
The Russians killed 20,000,000 or so of their own people.
The will murder Ukrainians again.
Putin does not give a flip about elections and only the US press is more controlled.

I honestly do not think the weak and politicized .mil leadership has either the brains or the guts to do much to help the Ukraine.
President Trump has gotten a lot of $$$ in the pipeline, but that is not new stuff on the line or the troops to fight a real long term action.
And I fear that much of the $$ will be going into boondoggles, ships that don't work, training in sophisticated perversions, guns that were supposed to shoot around corners and don't.,super stealthy planes that must be in a hangar 90% of the time.
But I hope attacking the supply lines works.
SS

 

[Housecarl]

https://legacy.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/ukraine_rel93.jpg

https://trafo.hypotheses.org/files/2018/02/Borders-Ukraine_high.jpg

http://rogerannis.com/wp-content/up...istic-map-of-Ukraine-in-Wikimedia-Commons.png

http://www.worldinwar.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/map-ukraine-relief.jpg

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/ukr...at-all-forms-regions-big-cities-107673426.jpg

 

[AlfaMan]

Could be new build Super Herky birds.
In any event that is either an airborne drop scenario or a whole bunch of units are loading go packs and aircraft techs onboard for a trip overseas....

The pics say 130's, the tail numbers say new planes. -17's?

 

[Hogwrench]

Could be new build Super Herky birds.
In any event that is either an airborne drop scenario or a whole bunch of units are loading go packs and aircraft techs onboard for a trip overseas....

I looked up those tail numbers. They are all c-130 J models.

 

[NoMoreLibs]

I looked up those tail numbers. They are all c-130 J models.

Thanks.

 

[AlfaMan]

Doomer, I loves ya but I'd like a shot at tempering your total disdain for the Ukranian military.

They aren't poorly trained-their basic training and intake nearly mirrors what Russian recruits get as far as training. They aren't necessarily poorly supplied either. Remember, Ukraine was part of the USSR before 1991.
Another thing-the Ukranian commanders now in command were Soviet soldiers in the USSR days. Those soldiers went to the same schools the current Russian commanders did. Leadership is on par with the Russians.

All Antonov transport airplanes made for the Soviet military until 1991 were made in the Ukraine. So were all of the T-64, most of the T-72 and at least the prototype (that I know of) of the T-90 tank being introduced into Russian service now were built in the Ukraine. You HAVE heard of the famed Kirov tank plant haven't you? They're building Ukraine's T-84 main battle tank. It's in Ukraine, and there are approximately 2500+T64 and T72's on the plant grounds in various states of mothballing. Scrape off the cosmoline, purge the hydraulics fire it up and another tank for Mother Ukraine. Remember also the T-72 has an auto loader for it's main gun, meaning the tank can be effectively staffed and utilized by 3 conscripts. Which the Ukraine has called up.

And the planes in storage are in flyable storage-not deep storage. Scrape off the spraylat, bleed the hydraulics, change the oil in the engines and Ukraine's air force triples in size. The only thing preventing that is funding-which is no longer a real problem since Ukraine has access to US FMS credit. And if the war goes off, it wouldn't surprise me if preps are being made (or the MSC ships are already underway) from our supplies on MSC ships at Diego Garcia. Those ships carry enough equipment for run an army group for up to 60 days without resupply.

As far as the neo Nazi yahoo thoughts, remember how the Ukranians were treated during the Homolodor, the purges of the late 30's and don't forget the Soviet hunt and shoot down every Cossack you see games that were played from the second the Soviets took the Ukraine all the way up to WW2. NEVER underestimate a Cossack with a long memory. The Ukrainians fought for the Germans because of the lingering (to this day) absolute hatred of the Russians. The Ukranians were good enough soldiers to be formed under SS units-not just run of the mill Wermacht. The Ukranians will fight as well as the Poles did during WW2, when properly equipped.

The Chechens during the first Chechen war with the Russians absolutely kicked their butts on the ground. (and killed a friend of mine in the process-bastards.) The Russians did better the second time around but still-a smaller more agile force has a good chance against the Russians than one might believe. The Russians didn't issue maps to NCO's until 1991-the maps of the areas they were frighting in were considered state secrets. Imagine the officer carrying the map gets blown to bits-what does the platoon do with no leadership and no plans mapped out on where to go? The Russians are still "stiff" when it comes to military at line unit level. The Ukrainians are basically on board with AirLand2020 from a warfighting standpoint by comparison.

And don't forget an angry Ukranian population either. The Russians may push through but the leave behind resistance (which the Lithuanians have actively trained citizens for) will make Russian life in occupied Ukraine a living hell.

When Russia does invade Ukraine, the Polish and Lithuanians will band together to fight the Russian bear. I don't buy the 3 days to Kiev idea. The Russians will shock and awe into Ukraine but will be ground down by Ukranian fighters and leave behind resistance.

Don't underestimate the underdog. And if someone were invading my country I wouldn't care who helped push the invader back-be it the neo Nazis or clowns armed with claymores.

Back at ya, Housecarl respect wise. Still, I can't take Ukraine seriously in the military sense. They are a bunch of poorly armed, poorly supplied, poorly led, neo nazi yahoos who are going to now go up against one of the premier military forces in the world. THE UKRAINE WILL GET ITS TROOPS SLAUGHTERED. MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE A FEW ALAMO MOMENTS, BUT THAT IS ALL.

It will be like the opening of World War Two, where the British and French troops were firing 37 mm anti tank rounds at Panzers with four inches of armor and watching them bounce off.

It won't be pretty. It won't take long. And Russia will occupy Kiev within the first 3 days. And exactly what military force will NATO then deploy to help the Ukraine. Will the Germans, and the British send all of their 8 combat effective Navy ships to the Black Sea? Or will they deploy all 100 modern tanks they have? How about sending in all 150 modern fighters they have?
Sheesh, it won't even be close.

 

[AlfaMan]

Thought so.
So each plane is loaded with 36,000 pounds of party favors of some sort or another and can fly 2000 miles with that payload.
Looked like they were headed NW-perhaps to McChord AFB or to a C-5 base along the way?

I looked up those tail numbers. They are all c-130 J models.

 

[Shacknasty Shagrat]

Doomer, I loves ya but I'd like a shot at tempering your total disdain for the Ukranian military.

They aren't poorly trained-their basic training and intake nearly mirrors what Russian recruits get as far as training. They aren't necessarily poorly supplied either. Remember, Ukraine was part of the USSR before 1991.
Another thing-the Ukranian commanders now in command were Soviet soldiers in the USSR days. Those soldiers went to the same schools the current Russian commanders did. Leadership is on par with the Russians.

All Antonov transport airplanes made for the Soviet military until 1991 were made in the Ukraine. So were all of the T-64, most of the T-72 and at least the prototype (that I know of) of the T-90 tank being introduced into Russian service now were built in the Ukraine. You HAVE heard of the famed Kirov tank plant haven't you? They're building Ukraine's T-84 main battle tank. It's in Ukraine, and there are approximately 2500+T64 and T72's on the plant grounds in various states of mothballing. Scrape off the cosmoline, purge the hydraulics fire it up and another tank for Mother Ukraine. Remember also the T-72 has an auto loader for it's main gun, meaning the tank can be effectively staffed and utilized by 3 conscripts. Which the Ukraine has called up.

And the planes in storage are in flyable storage-not deep storage. Scrape off the spraylat, bleed the hydraulics, change the oil in the engines and Ukraine's air force triples in size. The only thing preventing that is funding-which is no longer a real problem since Ukraine has access to US FMS credit. And if the war goes off, it wouldn't surprise me if preps are being made (or the MSC ships are already underway) from our supplies on MSC ships at Diego Garcia. Those ships carry enough equipment for run an army group for up to 60 days without resupply.

As far as the neo Nazi yahoo thoughts, remember how the Ukranians were treated during the Homolodor, the purges of the late 30's and don't forget the Soviet hunt and shoot down every Cossack you see games that were played from the second the Soviets took the Ukraine all the way up to WW2. NEVER underestimate a Cossack with a long memory. The Ukrainians fought for the Germans because of the lingering (to this day) absolute hatred of the Russians. The Ukranians were good enough soldiers to be formed under SS units-not just run of the mill Wermacht. The Ukranians will fight as well as the Poles did during WW2, when properly equipped.

The Chechens during the first Chechen war with the Russians absolutely kicked their butts on the ground. (and killed a friend of mine in the process-bastards.) The Russians did better the second time around but still-a smaller more agile force has a good chance against the Russians than one might believe. The Russians didn't issue maps to NCO's until 1991-the maps of the areas they were frighting in were considered state secrets. Imagine the officer carrying the map gets blown to bits-what does the platoon do with no leadership and no plans mapped out on where to go? The Russians are still "stiff" when it comes to military at line unit level. The Ukrainians are basically on board with AirLand2020 from a warfighting standpoint by comparison.

And don't forget an angry Ukranian population either. The Russians may push through but the leave behind resistance (which the Lithuanians have actively trained citizens for) will make Russian life in occupied Ukraine a living hell.

When Russia does invade Ukraine, the Polish and Lithuanians will band together to fight the Russian bear. I don't buy the 3 days to Kiev idea. The Russians will shock and awe into Ukraine but will be ground down by Ukranian fighters and leave behind resistance.

Don't underestimate the underdog. And if someone were invading my country I wouldn't care who helped push the invader back-be it the neo Nazis or clowns armed with claymores.

Alfaman, I agree with your facts and analysis.
Russia dreams of invasions like the Germans did, but the recent Russian experience has been different and unsuccessful...
Afghanistan-defeat, Georgia-near catastrophic defeat, Chechin I
Russian strength is in propaganda...internet trolls, disinfo, etc.
My concern is with US .mil and .pol leadership. Can we use our strengths and exploit the Russian weaknesses?
Now is too late..we needed to prepare years ago..Did we?
Tough as it would be for them, the Russian should be content with their ill gotten gains. Grumble, bitch, moan and kill a few civilians, rinse and repeat.
We have acceptable access for resupply to the Ukraine, which we did not have for Georgia.
SS

 

[Housecarl]

HC, you are sort of suggesting a strategy like the Russians and Saddam developed in GW!!
Kind of a rope a dope.
This worked against Western forces with pussy leadership.
The Russians killed 20,000,000 or so of their own people.
The will murder Ukrainians again.
Putin does not give a flip about elections and only the US press is more controlled.

I honestly do not think the weak and politicized .mil leadership has either the brains or the guts to do much to help the Ukraine.
President Trump has gotten a lot of $$$ in the pipeline, but that is not new stuff on the line or the troops to fight a real long term action.
And I fear that much of the $$ will be going into boondoggles, ships that don't work, training in sophisticated perversions, guns that were supposed to shoot around corners and don't.,super stealthy planes that must be in a hangar 90% of the time.
But I hope attacking the supply lines works.
SS

Well that wasn't "limited" in how it played out in Syria between the "rebels" and the SAA nor from the descriptions from Yemen.

 

[pirate]

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[Michiana MaJo]

What about western Ukraine......if I got it right, those people, or a lot of them, would stand with Russia....they speak Russian and have families in Russia, also. I did hear one of them as a guest on a radio program, and he was adamant they would fight with Russia.

It is my strong belief that we have no business getting involved in this fracas....no one has bothered us, and Ukraine is not NATO (though I firmly believe we should get out of NATO, anyhow.)

Our Deep State wants us in a war so bad it can taste it, and is looking for every chance it can get to land us into one. Bolton is a warmonger, a disaster in the making.

What about the above Chinese threat? They are angry about that Chinese lady exce we somehow are involved in her imprisonment. A war with China would be beyond horrific! It would wind up on our soil!

 

[cowboy]

So what if Biden and company armed Ukraine with all that made in china hardware.

Would Trump send in troops with this stuff or would he wait and watch Ukraine and Nato and go oops!

 

[Red Baron]

Been playing this on PC for the last few years.

Modern mechanized conventional warfare is a whole new level of mayhem compared to the other Combat Mission WWII tactical games I have played from Battlefront.

Any war in the Ukraine among near peer forces will be extremely harrowing. I especially am concerned about the Russian strategic reaction to any intervention by NATO forces so close to the Russian homeland.

https://www.battlefront.com

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• Precision artillery shells are available to many fire support assets. This allows a system to fire one artillery shell per tube with pinpoint accuracy and precision
• Active Protection Systems (APS) detect and defeat incoming projectiles before they even have a chance to strike their target. APS systems currently modeled include Trophy, Zaslon, and Arena
• Airburst munitions mean that high-explosive shells fired from many ground weapons are now even deadlier, thanks to their ability to airburst directly above the target, or even just behind cover such as a wall or building window
• Anti-Aircraft (AA) assets attack air support or UAV units that are currently performing Strike or Observe missions on the battlefield. Stinger, Igla, Igla-S, 9K35 Strela-10M3, and 2K22 Tunguska are all included
• Night vision systems are automatically assigned to troops in low light conditions as appropriate for the particular soldier type. American soldiers are equipped with the state-of-the-art AN/PSQ-20 Enhanced Night Vision Goggle (ENVG), a device that fuses night vision and thermal imaging systems, while more of their weapons are equipped with lightweight thermal imagers. Russian and Ukrainian troops can be equipped with both monocular night vision goggles and weapon-mounted night vision sights