TERRORISM Riots in Minneapolis (now the main riot thread)

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Will they chant his name?
Will they burn the city in his honor?
Nope. He's just old and white. Only black lives matter now.

No...

Only black lives murdered by cops matter right now.

If black lives mattered, THIS is what would be pushing the headlines:


Homicide-victimization rates for black men were 3.9 times the national average and that 52 percent of all known homicide victims were black (2017 data). He might have added that the perpetrators of these crimes were overwhelmingly African Americans. In 2018, where the homicide victim was black, the suspected killer also was 88 percent of the time. And this is not an exceptional situation. From 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by other African Americans.

There are problems with this white-racism theory. First, one would expect higher levels of black crime when the racial oppression was at its maximum, and lower levels when it was less so. But that hasn’t been the case. Black homicide rates were about the same as white homicide rates during slavery. They frequently were higher in the North than in the more oppressive South throughout the 20th century. And they hit new peaks in the late 1960s, a time when whites supported the most sweeping civil-rights legislation in American history.

Second, if white abuse was responsible for black violence, why weren’t whites targeted more often? Why were other African Americans overwhelmingly the victims? Why was black-on-black violence elevated even after lynching and Jim Crow were no longer powerful disincentives to black-on-white crime?

Third, how do we explain levels of black violence out of all proportion to African-American disadvantage? Other groups suffer comparable adversities — Hispanics, for example — but have much lower rates of violence. Though the poverty rate for Hispanics is 92 percent of the rate for blacks, African Americans have three times the homicide rate. Indeed, many of the low-income black immigrants to the United States, such as the Haitians who flooded into southern Florida in the 1980s, had lower violent-crime rates than did the African-American residents. This despite the fact that they too were black and impoverished and had suffered a legacy of the most brutal slavery.


All of this bullshit going on this past week is nothing but the left/progressive/socialist splitting American unity further to destroy this grand republic.

And, damned, if they ain't winning the war...

I have yet to see a single instance of the conservative side taking the offense. All we do is play defense and plug the holes.

Hate to say it but our side is weak.
 
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vestige

Deceased
All of this bullshit going on this past week is nothing but the left/progressive/socialist splitting American unity further to destroy this grand republic.

And, damned, if they ain't winning the war...

I have yet to see a single instance of the conservative side taking the offense. All we do is play "41" defense and plug the holes.

Hate to say it but our side is weak.



Scared shitless that they will be accused of being racist.

I call them hand wringers.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
All of this bullshit going on this past week is nothing but the left/progressive/socialist splitting American unity further to destroy this grand republic.

And, damned, if they ain't winning the war...

I have yet to see a single instance of the conservative side taking the offense. All we do is play "41" defense and plug the holes.

Hate to say it but our side is weak.



Scared shitless that they will be accused of being racist.

I call them hand wringers.

So true...

Sticks and stones will break my bones but the fear of words will destroy this nation.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Story lines they'll be using...

11 min ago
Trump has walled himself off from America's conversation on racism
Analysis from CNN's Stephen Collinson
US President Donald Trump arrives at the White House on May 30 in Washington.
US President Donald Trump arrives at the White House on May 30 in Washington. Eric Baradat/AFP/Getty Images

Part of America is tiptoeing toward an uncomfortable self-examination about race. But President Donald Trump, bunkered down in his fortress behind high fences now ringing the White House, is spurning a building wave of national reflection.
Sensing a moment of national reckoning, some major corporations, company managers, major sports leagues and white politicians have felt compelled to speak out. Anecdotal signs of a shift can be seen in Amazon bestseller lists dominated by books about racial prejudice. A story about a heart-to-heart about race between an airline executive and a flight attendant from a rival carrier was a feel-good moment in a wrenching week.

There is a notable absentee from this broadening debate: Trump. While he has condemned Floyd's death and promised justice several times, the President, who has a history of flinging racist rhetoric, is not examining his own prejudices.
Instead, Trump has amplified accusations that former President Barack Obama inflamed racial angst, boasted that he's done more for African Americans than any President but Abraham Lincoln, had federal forces charge peaceful protesters so he could have a divisive photo-op and threatened to send troops into the states.
Trump defended heavy handed action by federal security forces in Washington, DC, on Thursday, doubling down on the tough guy persona that he hopes will reverse his current polling deficit to Democrat Joe Biden in the presidential election race.
And then, later on Thursday, Trump shared a letter on Twitter that referred to the peaceful protesters who were forcibly dispersed from a park near the White House as "terrorists."
Read the full analysis here.
Sigh. Trump has a lot of dry powder to use by November. Trump studies things before he jumps and the Marxist demoncrats never got that. I mean look how Trump played Pelosi on impeachment. All of this tidal wave of corruption is going to hit from September on.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Our local Chick-fil-A is owned by a couple, the wife forwarded the joke going around about filling up a sceptic truck and using it to disburse looters. It has become a total shit storm (they are RACIST!) and their business is really suffering. They will probably lose the business is my guess before all is said and done.. All for forwarding a joke.Screenshot_20200602-070537.png
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There is no conversation, agree with the ****ers or they'll call you a racist(gasp!) I wear that worthless overused word as a badge of honor.
Agreed. To add: a lot of ...people (either through the media, or our representatives etc.) are saying we need unity, work to unify the country, yada yada.

Dumb smucks.

There can be no unity when one side won't accept the other side's position.

So what "they" truly mean by "unity" is you've got to change to accept our belief. But we're not accepting yours.

It should be noted that once it gets to this point:

There was no unity, only appeasement, by Chamberlain, that started WWII, no unity when Japan bombed Pearl.

No unity and WWI started

No unity between North and South and the Civil War started.

That list can go on and on. I might add you can't use Ford parts on a Chevy (no Unity), John Deere on a Cub etc....

The only way to get unity in a political arena, once it is decided that there MUST be unity, is for one side to totally decimate the other, by arms.

Once Germany and Japan were in total ruin, they agreed with us, world domination was a bad idea.
Once the South was in total ruin, they agreed that secession was a bad idea.
When the Red Army defeated the White Army Russia agreed that Communism was a good idea. The same for China.

So do not be deceived their call for unity, while sounding great to the public at large is deceitful, in that it truly means for you to submit to their way of thinking and rule.

Everybody wonders at what the answer to this problem is. I can tell you what it has been in the past.
 

paul d

Veteran Member
Our local Chick-fil-A is owned by a couple, the wife forwarded the joke going around about filling up a sceptic truck and using it to disburse looters. It has become a total shit storm (they are RACIST!) and their business is really suffering. They will probably lose the business is my guess before all is said and done.. All for forwarding a joke.View attachment 202063

Spiders. Load up a helicopter with a bunch of spiders, or fire ants, or any crawly things and sprinkle them over their heads.

Now THAT would be a Netflix show I'd sign up for.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
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Minneapolis City Council to vote on first changes to police
Minneapolis and state officials work to negotiate "immediate" reforms.

June 4, 2020 — 8:28pm



Minneapolis City Council members plan to vote Friday on some of the first changes to be made to the Police Department in response to the death of George Floyd.

Representatives for the Minnesota Department of Human Rights and city elected officials were working Thursday to negotiate a stipulated temporary restraining order that will mandate some immediate changes and also set a timeline for the state's investigation into whether the Minneapolis Police Department engaged in racial discrimination over the past 10 years.

City Council President Lisa Bender said the city was still working Thursday evening on details of the document, which the council planned to vote on during a public meeting Friday afternoon.

If the council gives its blessing, as is expected, the order will also require approval from a judge at a hearing that is likely to be scheduled next week, according to a presentation given to the city's Commission on Civil Rights earlier this week.

"The timeline for the impact of the [temporary restraining order] is for this weekend," Bender said. "It's for immediate accountability measures for the Police Department. It's not meant to be anywhere near starting this bigger conversation."

State Human Rights Commissioner Rebecca Lucero said, without providing specifics of the negotiated agreement: "We are really committed to working very quickly to making sure we can implement some changes immediately. We continue to have that commitment and continue to move forward with that."

The state Department of Human Rights on Tuesday filed a civil rights charge against the police department, citing Floyd's death. It was the first time the human rights department has launched a systemic investigation into the largest police department in the state.

In the days since Floyd died, several elected officials have publicly floated various reform proposals, ranging from defunding the department immediately to taking a slower approach and sending social workers or mental health professionals to some calls that are now handled by police.

Mayor Jacob Frey has committed to "working with the community towards deep, structural reforms that address systemic racism in our laws and in policing." Spokesman Mychal Vlatkovich said the mayor "does not support abolishing the police department."

Council Member Jeremiah Ellison, one of the most vocal critics of the city's response to the protests and riots that followed Floyd's death, tweeted Thursday: "We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department."

Bender, a few hours later, issued her own tweet repeating that message and adding that they will "replace it with a transformative new model of public safety."

In an interview, she said she could imagine a scenario where the state's investigation results in Minneapolis police eventually entering a receivership that restructures the department.

Speaking only for herself and not for the council as whole, Bender said she would support shifting from a traditional police department to a wider public safety department oriented toward violence prevention and community-based services.

In that kind of scenario, it's possible that social workers or medics could respond to some calls now being handled by police.

Major reforms of that kind would not happen immediately, she said, but are more likely to be discussed later this year or next. And, she said, they would involve opportunities for community input.

"To do this kind of big work, we need a deeper, broader conversation than we've ever had before," Bender said. "We need white people like me and my neighbors to show up in a different way."



there are, and have been for a very long time, problems in the minneapolis police dept. big problems, that is for sure. but, that? that gives me chills. that doesnt make me think those problems will get fixed. that makes me think they will get compounded and many more will come about.

so glad i dont live in the cities
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB

STUNNING! More Than 10,000 Leftists, Looters, Thugs and Vandals Arrested at “Peaceful” George Floyd Protests

By Jim Hoft
Published June 5, 2020 at 9:01am

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After a week of violence, looting, arson, vandalism and mob violence over 10,000 leftist thugs have been arrested in violent protests and rioting across America.

The Intelligencer reported:


At least 10,000 protesters have been arrested nationwide since the start of the unrest
The Associated Press went through the records of arrests at protests around the country and determined that more than 10,000 people have already been arrested on charges ranging from curfew violations and failures to disperse to looting. Most of the arrests occurred in Los Angeles (where there have been more than 3,000), New York, Dallas, and Philadelphia.

Of course, Democrats are attacking police and law enforcement.
 

jward

passin' thru
I was relieved to read that the homeless are exempt from this regulation :rolleyes:
Atlanta's curfew will go into effect at 8 p.m. tonight
From CNN's Tina Burnside

Police officers are seen during a demonstration in Atlanta on May 31.
Police officers are seen during a demonstration in Atlanta on May 31. Elijah Nouvelage/Getty Images
The city of Atlanta announced on Friday that the city's curfew has been moved up from 9 p.m. ET to 8 p.m. ET tonight, according to a tweet from the city.
The curfew, which starts at 8 p.m. ET and goes through 6 a.m. ET, is effective starting on Friday and will remain into effect through Sunday.
Exceptions apply to people seeking medical help, working, first responders and the homeless, the city tweeted.
Read the tweet:
Reminder: @CityofAtlanta curfew continues at 8:00 p.m. tonight and will remain in effect on Saturday (6/6) & Sunday (6/7). Please review the graphic for further information and exceptions. Contact @ATL311 for details. pic.twitter.com/9tTJd9J4xg
— Atlanta 311 (@ATL311) June 5, 2020



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jward

passin' thru
Change needs to start with that damn suit- I had one those in the 80s- which is where it shoulda been left :eek:

19 min ago
Richmond mayor on removal of Confederate statue: "Now it's the time for change"
From CNN's Adrienne Vogt

Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney on CNN's New Day on June 5.
Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney on CNN's "New Day" on June 5. CNN
Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam announced plans yesterday to remove a statue honoring Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, which Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney said is long overdue.
“Now it's the time for change,” Stoney said in an interview with CNN’s John Berman. “It’s a new day in Richmond. And these are symbols of racism. They’ve been symbols of racism for a very, very long time. They're symbols of racism that were put there to intimidate black and brown people and put them in their place. And this is just a symbol of institutional racism that I think needs to go. And we have been working towards this for a very, very long time. And now is the time,”
Protests over the death of George Floyd have recently congregated around the six-story statue, with his image projected onto the monument.
“To see now that image of George Floyd projected on there shows we have come a long way, but we have more to do,” Stoney said.
Some lawmakers oppose the removal of the statue. State Sen. Amanda Chase, who is running for governor, said in a video that “there is an overt effort here to erase all white history.”
Stoney said that view is ignorant and dismissive of black people.
“That history of the Confederacy was to ensure that people like me never hold the office of mayor, young black kids never get educated, we will just be…property for the remainders of our lives,” Stoney said.
Watch more:
Richmond, Virginia, Mayor @LevarStoney on arguments that removing Robert E. Lee’s statue will erase history: That history ensured “that people like me never hold the office of mayor, young black kids never get educated, that we will just be... property” for the rest of our lives pic.twitter.com/Yj8Wflk777
— New Day (@NewDay) June 5, 2020



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Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
_______________
It's Friday.

Will we see some crap in smaller towns tonight?

Lotsa chatter about it over the last coupla days.
 

Echo 5

Funniest guy on TB2K
It's Friday.

Will we see some crap in smaller towns tonight?

Lotsa chatter about it over the last coupla days.
It was a fizzle in my town. If nothing else these threats serve to exhaust resources. But it's only a matter of time before we see South Africa style farm attacks.
 

jward

passin' thru

Marlo Safi
@marlo_safi

1h

A peaceful protester, a retired police officer, a restaurant owner, a man who tried looting a gun shop: these are among the 15 people who’ve died since many U.S. cities erupted in violence last week
View: https://twitter.com/marlo_safi/status/1268891784932884480?s=20


article posted in it's entirety below:
15 People Died In The Protests And Riots Following George Floyd’s Death. Here’s Who They Are

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The killing of George Floyd has reverberated across the world, with protests reaching across the Atlantic.

Floyd died after a Minneapolis police officer, Derek Chauvin, knelt on his neck for nine minutes. A video of the incident sparked national outrage. Chauvin has since been fired and charged with second-degree murder, an elevation from the original third-degree murder charge.

While many protests following his death remained peaceful, in cities like Minneapolis, Washington, D.C. and New York City, violence erupted and led to looting, vandalism and buildings set ablaze.

Violence consumed countless mom-and-pop businesses, many owned by minorities and immigrants, leaving behind a desert of small business, with little recourse but to plead for the public to donate to online fundraising campaigns. Insurance is not a panacea for destruction caused by looting in most of these cases.

Some have downplayed the looting and violence. Politicians, along with sympathetic members of the national media, lined up to apologize or justify the destruction. Seattle Councilmember Tammy Morales said “what I don’t want to hear is for our constituents to be told to be civil, not to be reactionary, to be told that looting doesn’t solve anything” at a council session Monday. (RELATED: Here’s A List Of Media And Politicians Who Downplayed Violence And Looting)

Sally Kohn, a liberal political commentator, tweeted: “Property is insured and can be replaced. Lives cannot. Check your priorities, America.”





Also, and I don’t feel like this should need to be pointed out, property is insured and can be replaced. Lives cannot. Check your priorities, America.

— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) May 30, 2020

But the violence didn’t end with buildings reduced to ashes or broken windows. Lives can’t be replaced. Fifteen people have died since the protests, riots and looting began, including a former police captain, an officer of the DHS and a peaceful protester who was just trying to get home. They are, for the most part, young people. Like Floyd, many of them are minorities themselves.

David Dorn, 77, died Tuesday while trying to protect Lee’s Pawn Jewelry from looters. He served 38 years at the St. Louis Police Department before retiring. He died in the middle of a street after being shot in the torso by suspected rioters, according to the police incident report. The slaying was caught on Facebook Live, according to the St.Louis Dispatch.

Barry Perkins, 29, died after getting stuck on the converter dolly between a FedEx truck’s trailers while the driver of the truck pulled away. The driver, who was rerouted because of the protests, said he didn’t know the man was there. People began “removing items” from the truck and two men standing on the passenger side showed the driver they had guns, so the driver feared for his life, honked the horn and started driving until he was stopped by police. By the time police stopped the truck, Perkins had gotten caught by the trailer tire and was run over, according to KSDK.


David McAtee, 53, the owner of a barbecue restaurant in Louisville, Kentucky, was killed after police and National Guard members opened fire at a protest. The National Guard was sent to disperse a crowd and said they were shot at, which prompted them to return fire. McAtee’s sister told WAVE 3 News that the crowd gathered at the scene of the shooting did not relate to the protests, and was there meeting at his restaurant.

Dorian Murrell, 18, was shot and killed by Tyler Newby, 29, in Indianapolis. Newby and his friend told police that they were walking around Downtown after the protests, found a gas canister on the ground and picked it up. They said after doing so, they were approached by a group of about 10 males who asked them what they found. Newby said he was pushed to the ground, pulled out his gun and shot the person standing over him. Murrell’s family member at the scene said there was no physical altercation, according to Indy Star.

Italia Kelly, 22, was shot and killed during a protest in Davenport, Iowa while she was leaving Monday night. Investigators have not identified the shooter. Kelly’s family says she was protesting peacefully and got tangled in the violence, according to KCRG.

Marquis M. Tousant, 23, was shot and killed Monday in Davenport, Iowa after police responded to reports of a suspicious vehicle, before their car was fired upon multiple times, according to WQAD. Police found a semi-automatic handgun underneath Tousant’s body and multiple shell casings surrounding his body. Tousant was also seen on video with a gun at a shooting outside a jewelry store that night. It’s unclear whose weapon fired the shot that killed him, according to QC Times.

Calvin L. Horton Jr., 43, was fatally shot near the police department’s Third Precinct in Minneapolis in what is believed to be the first killing since the protests began according to Minnesota’s CBS affiliate.

James Scurlock, 22, was fatally shot by a bar owner during a fight with several people Saturday night in Omaha, Nebraska, amid protests. Charges weren’t brought against the shooter, Jake Gardner, who was determined to have acted in self-defense. Gardner’s father had pushed several protesters when asking them to leave the bar.

Victor Cazares, 27, was shot and killed in Chicago during rioting, which was ruled a homicide by the Cook County medical examiner’s office. The town spokesperson said the shootings were caused by “outside agitators who were driving through Cicero seeking to cause trouble,” according to the Chicago Sun Times.

Patrick Underwood, 53, was an officer in the Department of Homeland Security’s Federal Protective Service who was gunned down Friday as he stood guard outside the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building and U.S. Courthouse in Oakland, Calif. amid protesting. A second federal officer was shot with him but was not killed. Oakland police chief said the shooting was most likely deliberately targeting uniformed officers, according to the Wall Street Journal.

Jorge Gomez, 25, was shot and killed by Las Vegas police during Monday night’s protests near the federal courthouse in downtown Las Vegas. Gomez was wearing body armor and armed with three weapons during the protests, and raised his weapon toward officers, LVMPD said according to News 3 Las Vegas.

Not yet named: 29-year-old Chicago man was shot and killed in what was ruled a homicide and attributed to “outside agitators” during the riots, according to the Chicago Sun Times.

Not yet named: Unidentified male in his 20s was shot and killed by the owner of a gun store in Philadelphia while trying to loot his store.

Not yet named: Philadelphia man tried to blow up an ATM to loot it and was killed, according to a CBS Philadelphia affiliate.

Not yet named: Detroit man was shot and killed during protests, and police are searching for a woman identified as a person of interest.

To collate this list, the Daily Caller searched public news reports of deaths that occurred following the eruption of violence during protests, which included shootings and looting that were linked to mass unrest.


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jward

passin' thru
I don't think they are done...by a long shot.

Given the jobs report they CANNOT be done...in fact I'll not be surprised to see new and better methods designed to create chaos and wreak havoc in our society...funny a knee to the neck was the impetus for this episode of their devilry. All they really want is their boot to our own, well, before they kill us
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
Story lines they'll be using...

11 min ago
Trump has walled himself off from America's conversation on racism
Analysis from CNN's Stephen Collinson
US President Donald Trump arrives at the White House on May 30 in Washington.
US President Donald Trump arrives at the White House on May 30 in Washington. Eric Baradat/AFP/Getty Images

Part of America is tiptoeing toward an uncomfortable self-examination about race. But President Donald Trump, bunkered down in his fortress behind high fences now ringing the White House, is spurning a building wave of national reflection.
Sensing a moment of national reckoning, some major corporations, company managers, major sports leagues and white politicians have felt compelled to speak out. Anecdotal signs of a shift can be seen in Amazon bestseller lists dominated by books about racial prejudice. A story about a heart-to-heart about race between an airline executive and a flight attendant from a rival carrier was a feel-good moment in a wrenching week.

There is a notable absentee from this broadening debate: Trump. While he has condemned Floyd's death and promised justice several times, the President, who has a history of flinging racist rhetoric, is not examining his own prejudices.
Instead, Trump has amplified accusations that former President Barack Obama inflamed racial angst, boasted that he's done more for African Americans than any President but Abraham Lincoln, had federal forces charge peaceful protesters so he could have a divisive photo-op and threatened to send troops into the states.
Trump defended heavy handed action by federal security forces in Washington, DC, on Thursday, doubling down on the tough guy persona that he hopes will reverse his current polling deficit to Democrat Joe Biden in the presidential election race.
And then, later on Thursday, Trump shared a letter on Twitter that referred to the peaceful protesters who were forcibly dispersed from a park near the White House as "terrorists."
Read the full analysis here.
Donald Trump is not a racist, we all know that. He has handled the current civil war badly though.
 

KFhunter

Veteran Member
Of course, there is the line of thought that says old man was holding one of their helmets and was trying to return it...

Regardless...

The key words are, OLD MAN

I agree, I wasn't defending the actions of those two officers who simultaneously shoved him, merely understanding.

Understanding - It's what I do.

I never jump forward with emotion and make half cocked assumptions led by anger/hate or any other emotion. I look at things logically, from all angles.
 
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