ECON Report food and grocery price increases/shortages here - UPDATE, new runs on the stores

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rafter

Since 1999
I subscribe to The Blaze. On Glenn Beck this morning they had a rancher/beef guy that was saying that 1/3 of the beef processing plants are now closed due to CV. That by May 1 there will be serious meat shortages at the grocery level.

I checked my local grocery ads and the one where I buy most of my meat is advertising ground round at $2.99 but you have to buy the big 10 pound roll and it is while supply lasts...no rain checks on anything in the store. T bone steaks are $7.99.

I'm in a small town so it is only that store, Aldi's and Walmart. Not sure what is happening in the city where there is more stores and Sam's and Costco. Can someone report on meat prices?

My freezers are full, so can't really go out and buy much unless I start canning up some stuff.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
WHERE IS THIS STORE.............."A lot of the stores on the coasts have no fresh fruits or vegetables right now".....
HAVE YOU been to all of these stores

or is it a statement pulled out of thin air

When I made that comment friends from both coasts were posting photos of their local stores showing that they didn't have any fruits or vegetables and that was two weeks after the initial panic started. Oh and you don't need to scream at me either.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
There is a ton of fresh fruits and vegetables here on the east coast of Florida. We have been eating a nice variety every day. Sam's Club was briefly out of Romaine lettuce but they had lots of Iceberg.

Friends in the Boston, and NYC areas and Seattle, San Francisco, etc., were posting photos of no fruits and vegetables at the 'time' I made that post here on TBK.
 

Digger

Veteran Member
We had a second on line order in to Camellia for beans. After over a week we got an email that they were out of pintos and don't know when they will have more. We could still get great northern and added more to our order to go with the red kidney beans we ordered.
 

TxGal

Day by day
I went to both Kroger's and HEB down in Huntsville, TX....avoided the grocery stores in Bryan/College Station because they have far more cases of the virus there.

No TP or paper towels in Kroger, vegetables were a bit light in both stores. Notably fresh potatoes, carrots, and tomatoes were in short supply. Bread was there in both, just not as much as usual. Overall, HEB was better stocked than Kroger. Did notice that there were more canning lids available in the Kroger canning aisle, forgot to check HEB. I was specifically looking for red potatoes and carrots to buy for canning, usually they are plentiful....not this trip.

HEB is relaxing some of their buying restrictions as they gain stock again.
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
I subscribe to The Blaze. On Glenn Beck this morning they had a rancher/beef guy that was saying that 1/3 of the beef processing plants are now closed due to CV. That by May 1 there will be serious meat shortages at the grocery level.

I posted the below on another thread but it goes along with what you said so I'll put it here also

Went shopping this morning for the first time in a week and a half. One stop was the butchers hoping to pick up a couple of things. Since I was the only customer there and we usually chat when I go in we did so again this morning.

One thing he said was that the chicken processing plant a couple of towns over from us hasn't been able to run their full number of shifts for the last couple of weeks and have been shut down 2 or 3 day a week due to employees not coming into work. Not sick just not showing up. And you need a minimal number of folks to run the production lines.

He also mentioned that jbs which is one of his suppliers is also having an issue keeping up with orders and processing in their plants.

He does not expect meat to get as inexpensive as it had been last year for at least the next year or so if even then. He thinks he can keep everything in stock but some items might be such high priced compared to what we think as normal that you won't buy it even if it is available. Think $5 a pound boston butts

Takeaway I got for at least the next several months was if you have the ability to store meat and it is available at a decent price then you should buy it until there is a little more stability in the meat supply chain.

tbd
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Meant to post this here and not on the flour and paper products thread. Brain cramp !!

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FL -- Thanks for the beer bread recipe, Kathy. I'm going to make it.

Still can't find any yeast. Didn't look that hard though, just our regular store. Went to CVS for a scrip first. No TP but did have some Puffs. Did find pump bottle hand soaps, so picked up a couple. Found some coconut oil formula skin cream - a big tube (8.5 oz) that didn't have that diethyl whatever it is stuff in it. Only $10. Smells pretty. At the grocery store, no TP, plenty of meat, including pork, chicken, and beef. And hams were on sale. Reasonable prices, I'd say. They didn't have soup on sale except for Campbell's tomato and chicken noodle, and that was $1.00 a can. Nobody was buying the other ones because if they're not on sale they're pretty expensive. Large bags of rice were totally gone, small bags skimpy. I did get some Rice-a-Ronis, which we like anyway. Pasta was still pretty much trashed, but found some store brand bow ties and linguini, which are good, and a bag of wide noodles. Frozen was ok, except for the green peas (as usual). My son grabbed the last bag. We weren't in there long so I didn't check on the flour, but they usually seem to have 5 pound bags. Not many people in masks today, including clerks.
 

annieosage

Inactive
Not groceries, but you need to know.

Last night my son comes and tells me he is in shock because he was pricing new keyboards and mouses on the internet. He said the prices have already shot up A LOT. If you need these things or other electronic gear, better get it now because it's only going to get worse. He asked me why and I said probably China isn't shipping stuff at the moment. Hmmm..........

:(

I bought this set for $30.99 less than 2 weeks ago., Today it's $34.99. Not a huge jump but a jump none the less

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QXT5T3U/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 

closet squirrel

Veteran Member
Central Maryland. Went to BJs this afternoon. This was my first time in a warehouse type store since this mess started. It was not packed, but way more crowded than you would expect for a Wednesday afternoon. Everyone had very full carts, my guess is spending stimulus checks.

They had tp and paper towels, limit one each. There were even several brands to choose from. Certainly not a normal amount by regular standards but surprising for mid afternoon. No Clorox wipes or any bleach based cleaners.

Meat was more than half empty. Limit 2 beef, 2 pork and 2 poultry. A lot of empty cases in the freezer section where things like pizza, convenience meals, chicken nugget type things are , about 25% of what would normally be there. Dairy was about 50% full. NO flour, yeast or pasta. They had plenty of rice. Tuna was pretty picked through, canned fruit and veggies seemed ok, I don't buy them so didn't pay that close attention.

About 80% people were wearing masks (this was during the governors press conference where he made them mandatory for shopping) Generally everyone seemed conscious of social distancing. One woman reached past me getting chicken then said "oops sorry, its hard to get used to staying so far from everyone"
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
Stopped by the local Kroger today for a few things (Arvada CO). Was at CVS earlier to pick up RX - had a pallet of PT but no TP.

They had plenty of meat, eggs, milk and vegs. No TP, a few large packs of PT which were being snatched off the shelf as I watched. Prices were reasonable - nothing over the top expensive. Was glad to find the eggs because I was on my last 18 pack and they were on sale.

Didn't check the baking supplies as I'm good for a couple more months (and glad I ordered the yeast from Amazon when I did).

Saw several people with 2 or more buggies loaded down with food. One of them commented to the checker that they had gotten their stimulus check and were stocking up on food. Suspect a lot of that happening.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
I am in central AR. Haprs market is really low on meat. They had a lot of pork but only one or two of roasts, steaks etc. wal mart meat looked ok but I hate their meat.

Both stores were low on cooking oils. Harps was really low, like maybe 6 cintainers left on the shelf that was three shelves high and half an isle long. Wal marts was thin also but not quite that bad. Wal mart had around 20 or so. Still thin and holes up and down that isle.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
Made another Sams run today after picking up a small freezer from Lowes. My wife and I went, but per rules, I entered alone and headed back to the meat department. There was no hamburger, very few steaks, and a few whole sirloin roasts. I got a roast pack and some sirloin steaks.

The pork was in worse shape. They had a few pork tenderloin packs, one pork loin, two packs of the already cut pork loin chops, ribs, and country style rib packs. I picked up a tenderloin pack and the pork loin.

I finished up getting some frozen stuff too, but it sure wasn’t the haul I had hoped for. Guess I’ll try a meat market that’s not too far away.

Btw, there was no line when we arrived, but when we left there were about 40 people waiting to get in.
 

Snaglpuss

Contributing Member
Local store had whole pork butt for .99 lb. and chicken breast for .99
Also had paper products and just about everything but flour very low stock and variety.
Aldi had eggs for .99 doz. limit 2 but no flour or yeast.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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The Cudahy Wisconsin plant makes bacon and dry sausage.

Fair Use Cited
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28 positive cases: Patrick Cudahy plant closing for 2 weeks ‘to protect our team from COVID-19’

Posted 4:04 pm, April 15, 2020, by Bryan Polcyn and Katie DeLong,
Updated at 09:47PM, April 15, 2020

CUDAHY -- Smithfield Foods, Inc. announced Wednesday, April 15 that it will close its Cudahy, Wisconsin and Martin City, Missouri facilities beginning later this week -- the Patrick Cudahy plant in Cudahy shuttering for two weeks. The announcement came less than 24 hours after a FOX6 investigation exposed growing concerns about a COVID-19 outbreak in Cudahy.

In a press release Wednesday, Smithfield said a "small number" of employees tested positive. A company spokesman declined to say exactly how many. The Cudahy Health Department confirmed 28 positive cases at the plant -- up from nine last week. That's what prompted Smithfield to announce the closure.

"We had to thank you guys for that," said Willie Garron, former union rep. "We are happy they are doing the responsible thing for the workers and the community itself."

Garron said until Wednesday, it seemed like no one was listening.

"They really trying to hide the number," said Garron.

"I think it was a good decision on their part," said Cudahy Mayor Thomas Pavlic. "There was a lot of information coming from employees. They were getting it. I was getting contacted by employees. Just easier they took the action so we didn't have to come in behind and shut down your plant."

On Tuesday, of five employees who contacted FOX6 News, three agreed to be interviewed at the suggestion of Garron.

Walter Garron/Patrick Cudahy

"I don't know, but I can tell you it's more than 20 [cases]," said an employee. "More than 20, yes."

"She thinks about 50 or 60 people," said the daughter of an employee.

Smithfield officials noted in a news release Wednesday the Cudahy and Martin City facilities are located in close proximity to urban areas in which community spread of COVID-19 has been prevalent. Officials said employees will be paid for the next two weeks, during which time essential personnel will repeat the rigorous deep cleaning and sanitization that have been ongoing at the facilities.

“From farm to fork, our nation’s food workers, American family farmers and the many others in the supply chain are vital to the security of our country. This is particularly evident as we battle COVID-19 together. Please join me in thanking them,” said Kenneth M. Sullivan, president and chief executive officer, for Smithfield in the release.

Patrick Cudahy



Smithfield's Martin City plant, which employs over 400 people and produces spiral and smoked hams, receives raw material from the company’s Sioux Falls, South Dakota facility, which is closed indefinitely. Without these raw materials, the facility cannot continue to run.

Smithfield will resume operations in Sioux Falls once it receives further direction from local, state and federal officials. This will also allow the company to bring its Martin City facility back online, the release said.

“The closure of our Martin City plant is part of the domino effect underway in our industry. It highlights the interdependence and interconnectivity of our food supply chain. Our country is blessed with abundant livestock supplies, but our processing facilities are the bottleneck of our food chain. Without plants like Sioux Falls running, other further processing facilities like Martin City cannot function. This is why our government has named food and agriculture critical infrastructure sectors and called on us to maintain operations and normal work schedules. For the security of our nation, I cannot understate how critical it is for our industry to continue to operate unabated,” said Sullivan in the release. "We are doing everything in our power to help protect our team members from COVID-19 in the workplace. This starts with stringent and detailed processes and protocols that follow the strict guidance of the CDC and extends to things like the use of thermal scanning, personal protective equipment and physical barriers, to name a few. We are also being explicit with employees: ‘Do not report to work if you are sick or exhibiting COVID-19 symptoms. You will be paid."

According to the U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA), there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with the transmission of COVID-19.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
More reduced supply at the local grocery store every week. Very few paper products and both tp and paper towels down to single rolls with a two item limit per person. Eggs limited with a two carton limit. Meats and cheese scanty. Still plenty of frozen foods such as pizza and various dinners/entrees but frozen meats scarce. A fair amount of fresh produce as I think people are avoiding it. Canned meats and soups available but limited. Every week just a ‘little’ bit less than the week before. You can still get most of what you want but your brand and selections are limited.
 

coloradohermit

Veteran Member
I made a quick run this morning. First stop was to be at Smoker Friendly. At 9 am they were not open. So I went next door to Safeway with a very short list. Fruits and vegs were fully stocked. Meat was fully stocked. Cleaning products were wiped out. Frozen foods appeared fully stocked Dairy and eggs fully stocked. I didn't do the other aisles, so don't know the status of the most talked about items. The in-store Starbucks was open and going so I got my Venti White Mocha fix. :-)

When I left, with all the items on my list, I noticed that Smoker Friendly still wasn't open at 9:30. I'm fully stocked with smokes, but it never hurts to get another carton, so no disaster, but it did strike me as a problem if they're no longer considered an essential business. Hopefully they're just on shortened hours.
 

LittleYellowFlower

Flower Whisperer
From what I know, from central Mississippi to the gulf coast, people are in panic mode. There is no paper towels, toilet paper, lysol spray and wipes, Dawn soap or any types of antibacterial anything. Bread, milk, eggs, etc. were the first food items to go. Then last week there was a run on meats. The girl with Shipt told me that everything goes as soon as it's put out. Luckily, some stores have started holding some products back for when the senior citizens come through.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
From what I know, from central Mississippi to the gulf coast, people are in panic mode. There is no paper towels, toilet paper, lysol spray and wipes, Dawn soap or any types of antibacterial anything. Bread, milk, eggs, etc. were the first food items to go. Then last week there was a run on meats. The girl with Shipt told me that everything goes as soon as it's put out. Luckily, some stores have started holding some products back for when the senior citizens come through.
Rationing has started, but we fortunate that it is private sector rationing and not government. The stores are limiting product sold to help the community. Government does it to help themselves and their people.

This is most likely to get worse for a period of time, before it gets better.

Walmart had a run on it yesterday (SE GA) with the $1200 being spent by many.

Side note: Had a client yesterday saying this is his best year ever!! He sells video games and the accessories. He is promising 3 day shipping with a premium. Says he needs to double his premium from $20 to $40 as he can't keep up.
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
Had an Instacart order from Aldis yesterday and there was no delay and got all the hamburger and chicken I ordered.
Orange juice, eggs etc. No limits. I do find I cant get the bread I like anyplace or the wheat hotdogs buns.

I ordered bread mixes that has the yeast in them.
 

prudentwatcher

Veteran Member
I just got back from Winn Dixie in north central Florida. $4.99 for a dozen eggs!!!! That was just the store brand! I got a dozen name brand for $3.00 a dozen, which is still a rip off. No paper goods at all. Like 5 bottles of Dawn on the shelf and no other dish soap. No Lysol,or,wipes,or cleaners.

They did have bread, milk, peanut butter, most canned goods and a limited variety of meat. could buy strip steak for $5.99 a lb, which was only a dollar more than the cheap hamburger. I bought three packages of steak (all I could find-no limits), and one pkg of beef short ribs. They had expensive sugar. And only a few bags of the super expensive name brand flour. Overall looked better than I expected. First time there in a month. Except for the employees, only three other people and myself were wearing masks and the other customers with masks didn’t have gloves.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
We are now looking at the next level of prep due to this.

That level is the point where we produce meat and veggies for ourselves and not use the store.

Many people here are at that level or better, but for us it has been an experience just to get to the point where a few select items are now self sufficient. I will finish the garden improvements this year and then I am on to either hunting or chickens .... likely both!
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
I made a quick run this morning. First stop was to be at Smoker Friendly. At 9 am they were not open. So I went next door to Safeway with a very short list. Fruits and vegs were fully stocked. Meat was fully stocked. Cleaning products were wiped out. Frozen foods appeared fully stocked Dairy and eggs fully stocked. I didn't do the other aisles, so don't know the status of the most talked about items. The in-store Starbucks was open and going so I got my Venti White Mocha fix. :-)

When I left, with all the items on my list, I noticed that Smoker Friendly still wasn't open at 9:30. I'm fully stocked with smokes, but it never hurts to get another carton, so no disaster, but it did strike me as a problem if they're no longer considered an essential business. Hopefully they're just on shortened hours.

The Smoker Friendly I go to is only open 10am to 6pm now. They should have had a sign posted on their door with hours. They are still considered essential, but only 2 people in the store at a time (the one I go to is really small). I waited until the person who made it in before me came out before I went in. We're thinking about quitting while this is going on, but I'm waiting until I get my stuff from the Quit Line before I start otherwise I'll be a raving lunatic in about 3 hours. Can't take Chantix as it tears my stomach up (have tried it 3 times now and had the same effect).
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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We are now looking at the next level of prep due to this.

That level is the point where we produce meat and veggies for ourselves and not use the store.

Many people here are at that level or better, but for us it has been an experience just to get to the point where a few select items are now self sufficient. I will finish the garden improvements this year and then I am on to either hunting or chickens .... likely both!
Definitely add chickens if possible... rabbits are another good option... both will provide you with high quality fertilizer for your gardens, plus protein. Rabbits reproduce well (although where you are, you'll have to provide shade and probably have to skip breeding in the hottest 2-3 months). Chickens don't reproduce on their own as easily (you'd need an incubator or a bantam hen), but produce eggs pretty much year round.

Hunting... meh. Pretty low return on investment (of both money and time), although for most hunters, it doubles as a recreational activity, which makes it worth it to them. I once figured out that our Amish neighbors could buy prime beef at the store (and not just hamburger) for what their "free" venison costs them... hunting licenses and tags, ammo (although none of them do enough target practicing to suit me... I blew a gasket when I found out the 12 year old who was hunting with his father on "junior day" had NEVER shot the shotgun before... I guess the fact he blew both front lower legs off the deer was actually decent shooting, considering!), deer stands, etc, etc...

Not to mention the time away from their shops...

All for a deer that MIGHT give them 40# of boneless venison... I've seen many hanging up that barely produce half that.

And that's big game! When you talk about squirrels and rabbits... they are mostly flavoring for a vegetable stew.

Now, if you live somewhere where you can shoot an elk or moose... different story. But it's still a might expensive hobby for most, and results aren't guaranteed.

Summerthyme
 

straightstreet

Life is better in flip flops
We shopped today. Went to a local meat only store and it was pretty bare and prices...wow! Afterwards we went to our local grocery store. They had some meat but the case was pretty empty. I haven't seen this since back the first of March when everyone made a run for TP and gr beef (which is limit one in our grocery). Prices are high and there's not much beef, pork, and chicken.
 

rbt

Veteran Member
There are two sale yards in our town they stay fairly busy, last week the price of beef cows went down to .20 cents because of the milk cows being dumped on the market at that point they shut the sale down no buyers. If this trend keeps up there’ll be real problems with supply and demand.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
N. MN. I posted on the other thread about flour and paper, so will say that store traffic was way down, meat looked OK to me so far, most shelves looked "workable" for a relatively nimble cook. Baking stuff filling back up, canned goods not bad. Fresh produce has never been a problem. The paper plants need to be whacking down and pulling in more trees for TP...there were plenty of paper towels at least now. Can't help but think that TP will ramp up next. Of course, spring road restrictions are on now, so not a hella lot of hauling out of the woods.

Dog food and livestock feed still fine - maybe not as much variety, but I generally buy Cargill products for processed stuff and that's sorta local.. Meat store still looking good, but pretty sure they source locally.
 
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20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Definitely add chickens if possible... rabbits are another good option... both will provide you with high quality fertilizer for your gardens, plus protein. Rabbits reproduce well (although where you are, you'll have to provide shade and probably have to skip breeding in the hottest 2-3 months). Chickens don't reproduce on their own as easily (you'd need an incubator or a bantam hen), but produce eggs pretty much year round.

Hunting... meh. Pretty low return on investment (of both money and time), although for most hunters, it doubles as a recreational activity, which makes it worth it to them. I once figured out that our Amish neighbors could buy prime beef at the store (and not just hamburger) for what their "free" venison costs them... hunting licenses and tags, ammo (although none of them do enough target practicing to suit me... I blew a gasket when I found out the 12 year old who was hunting with his father on "junior day" had NEVER shot the shotgun before... I guess the fact he blew both front lower legs off the deer was actually decent shooting, considering!), deer stands, etc, etc...

Not to mention the time away from their shops...

All for a deer that MIGHT give them 40# of boneless venison... I've seen many hanging up that barely produce half that.

And that's big game! When you talk about squirrels and rabbits... they are mostly flavoring for a vegetable stew.

Now, if you live somewhere where you can shoot an elk or moose... different story. But it's still a might expensive hobby for most, and results aren't guaranteed.

Summerthyme
We would only need 40 lbs or so a year, but the cost as you indicated are not low.
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
I went to Fred Meyer yesterday morning in The Dalles, OR. They are a Kroger store.
Lots of fruit and veggies.
There was a lot less meat than usual; I got the last Tri-tip roast, and got some nice chicken breasts.
NO TP. At all....
One brand of paper towels (Viva) but only a few packages.
Hand sanitizer? Forget it.
Eggs normally priced and an OK stock, but way down from normal.
Milk and cream available.

Side note: the store wasn't terribly busy, but it took a full 30 minutes waiting in line to get checked out.
Only three checkers working, but there are 15 check out stands. I think the checkers are calling in sick.
About 70% of shoppers wearing masks.
There seemed to be a lot of uneasiness and tension among the shoppers.
My wife was SO happy I came home with everything on the list!

Another side note: I went to Home Depot. There was a big line to get in.
One person in, one person out.
I'm really glad it wasn't raining!
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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We would only need 40 lbs or so a year, but the cost as you indicated are not low.
A dozen Slow White cockerels would give you around 60# of chicken in 9-10 weeks. Slow Whites are a non-hybrid meat bird which breeds true, matures quickly (my Slow White pullets generally start laying as early as 22 weeks... 2-3 weeks before even Leghorns) and lay well in all weather. They're only available from Welp Hatchery. One rooster and 4 hens would keep you in eggs, and with the addition of an incubator, in meat for the year.

Or, a trio of rabbits (1 buck, 2 does) can produce 10-15# of dressed meat per litter, with a good doe able to give you 4 litters a year... they can actually be bred more often, but 4 litters gives her a chance to build up reserves, or lets you give them a break in the extremely hot (or in our climate, cold) temps.

Chickens will give you a LOT more fat... old hens can have 4 ounces or more of internal "free fat", which renders easily into schmaltz.. usable for frying, and useful for savory baking, such as bisquits or dumplings.

Both can utilize some of your garden waste, although chickens are less picky.

Summerthyme
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
I haven't seen flour avail at our store for the last few days. We did get one 5 lb bag last Fri. They have a little yeast. Mixed meat avail. No pasta. Fresh veg and fruits are in good quantity. This is only from looking at what is avail online as we are now using only curbside service. We have a good local farmstand that is doing curbside as well.

As for rabbits, they are hard to find. We have been looking for a couple weeks. I know some folks are struggling to find chicks and even feed but both are avail around us.

One thing to consider is if the beef critters are as cheap as people are saying pick one up and get a local butcher to process it now. Get with family or friends and divvy it up. I know most of our local cutters are still open. Get that freezer full now. Even a cheap milk cow cull will give you plenty of meat and extra jaw exercise as you are chewing. My mother grew up on a dairy farm and she didn't know what real steak was until she went to college as all they ate were the old milk culls. Grandpa sold the beef.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Definitely add chickens if possible... rabbits are another good option... both will provide you with high quality fertilizer for your gardens, plus protein. Rabbits reproduce well (although where you are, you'll have to provide shade and probably have to skip breeding in the hottest 2-3 months). Chickens don't reproduce on their own as easily (you'd need an incubator or a bantam hen), but produce eggs pretty much year round.

Hunting... meh. Pretty low return on investment (of both money and time), although for most hunters, it doubles as a recreational activity, which makes it worth it to them. I once figured out that our Amish neighbors could buy prime beef at the store (and not just hamburger) for what their "free" venison costs them... hunting licenses and tags, ammo (although none of them do enough target practicing to suit me... I blew a gasket when I found out the 12 year old who was hunting with his father on "junior day" had NEVER shot the shotgun before... I guess the fact he blew both front lower legs off the deer was actually decent shooting, considering!), deer stands, etc, etc...

Not to mention the time away from their shops...

All for a deer that MIGHT give them 40# of boneless venison... I've seen many hanging up that barely produce half that.

And that's big game! When you talk about squirrels and rabbits... they are mostly flavoring for a vegetable stew.

Now, if you live somewhere where you can shoot an elk or moose... different story. But it's still a might expensive hobby for most, and results aren't guaranteed.

Summerthyme
Venison is much healthier than store bought beef. I imagine that's why your Amish neighbors hunt. We never really look at the cost per pound at the deer and wild pigs we put up, I look at it as healthier We do not process our own, at 73 and 76 its a little long in the tooth to start that. Although we do process our own chickens.

Judy
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Aldi's this afternoon. No flour or yeast, they had plenty of sugar, vegetable oil, brown sugar, etc., in stock. The meat section has been hit and very hard. The meat section at Sam's Club was also hit really hard, everything else looked normal. They had Members Mark tp and pt in stock.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
This might be a good time to look back at some of the older recipes for "meatless, wheatless, and sweetless" days from WW II. Granted, some of them weren't worth making, but it's good to think about some alternatives, especially with fruits and veggies that are in season and meat might be scarce or very expansive.

I know that some people are on special diets, but it still might be worth exploring some alternatives now while there are spices and other inventory somewhat available. One example: large portabella mushrooms can be grilled and are quite meaty, like a burger.
 
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