ECON Report food and grocery price increases/shortages here: 2021 Edition

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We're expecting mixed precipitation topped by 1/2" ice +/- in my part of SW Virginia on Thursday. Bad news for powerlines and roads, of course. I went to Wal-mart last night and it was, for Wal-Mart, nearly empty. Produce was in good supply. Canned goods were in disarray and three workers with cases and cases of canned goods were in the process of rebuilding the shelves. Most of the rest of the store was in good shape. Found things I hadn't seen in months. Ball canning jars. Lots of pints and half-gallons, a couple of cases of quarts. No lids. A dab of ammo. I brought home the last 100-round pack of 20 ga 7.5 shot and two CCI 100-round packs of .22 shorts just on general principle. ~$23 and $10 each, respectively.
 
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Roadgeek

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Higher prices and possible shortages. I just spent 60 hours with no electricity here in Austin. The temp outside yesterday morning was 7 degrees. This will be as bad for the RGV as the big freeze in 1989.

A comment from the source of the story....
"Our Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller put out a warning yesterday to expect big price spikes and supply shortages in agricultural items here in Texas. This will likely affect other states as well. Miller said Texas dairy farmers were dumping about 8,000,000 gallons of milk per day, as the processing plants were shut down by the Artic Blast. This article noted the damage to the citrus farmers and their crops. I suspect there will be another casualty in those folks in the green house arena that lost power. This time of year is when they have tons of seedlings getting ready for the spring planting by gardeners. I have a big stockpile of seeds I accumulate. Every year I buy all kinds of vegetable seeds to plant, and then buy another amount of those seeds equal to those that I plant, and store them in a controlled environment. I have seed stocks going back about five years. Every year I keep adding to the stockpile. I sure the sprouting of the oldest of the old will be less than stellar, but any sprouting at all is better than none. I think this thing is going to shake out a lot worse than what we are seeing now. This does not even count the damage to the wildlife. There have been articles here in Texas, about thousands upon thousands of sea turtles being picked up, that have been stunned by the frigid water. They have like 3,500 of them at one location hoping they can save some. The last time we had a freeze like this, there was a large fish die off in Galveston Bay. There are not as many folks laughing at this prepper today, as there was a while ago...."
 

Higher prices and possible shortages. I just spent 60 hours with no electricity here in Austin. The temp outside yesterday morning was 7 degrees. This will be as bad for the RGV as the big freeze in 1989.

A comment from the source of the story....
"Our Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller put out a warning yesterday to expect big price spikes and supply shortages in agricultural items here in Texas. This will likely affect other states as well. Miller said Texas dairy farmers were dumping about 8,000,000 gallons of milk per day, as the processing plants were shut down by the Artic Blast. This article noted the damage to the citrus farmers and their crops. I suspect there will be another casualty in those folks in the green house arena that lost power. This time of year is when they have tons of seedlings getting ready for the spring planting by gardeners. I have a big stockpile of seeds I accumulate. Every year I buy all kinds of vegetable seeds to plant, and then buy another amount of those seeds equal to those that I plant, and store them in a controlled environment. I have seed stocks going back about five years. Every year I keep adding to the stockpile. I sure the sprouting of the oldest of the old will be less than stellar, but any sprouting at all is better than none. I think this thing is going to shake out a lot worse than what we are seeing now. This does not even count the damage to the wildlife. There have been articles here in Texas, about thousands upon thousands of sea turtles being picked up, that have been stunned by the frigid water. They have like 3,500 of them at one location hoping they can save some. The last time we had a freeze like this, there was a large fish die off in Galveston Bay. There are not as many folks laughing at this prepper today, as there was a while ago...."
Turtle soup!
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Higher prices and possible shortages. I just spent 60 hours with no electricity here in Austin. The temp outside yesterday morning was 7 degrees. This will be as bad for the RGV as the big freeze in 1989.

A comment from the source of the story....
"Our Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller put out a warning yesterday to expect big price spikes and supply shortages in agricultural items here in Texas. This will likely affect other states as well. Miller said Texas dairy farmers were dumping about 8,000,000 gallons of milk per day, as the processing plants were shut down by the Artic Blast. This article noted the damage to the citrus farmers and their crops. I suspect there will be another casualty in those folks in the green house arena that lost power. This time of year is when they have tons of seedlings getting ready for the spring planting by gardeners. I have a big stockpile of seeds I accumulate. Every year I buy all kinds of vegetable seeds to plant, and then buy another amount of those seeds equal to those that I plant, and store them in a controlled environment. I have seed stocks going back about five years. Every year I keep adding to the stockpile. I sure the sprouting of the oldest of the old will be less than stellar, but any sprouting at all is better than none. I think this thing is going to shake out a lot worse than what we are seeing now. This does not even count the damage to the wildlife. There have been articles here in Texas, about thousands upon thousands of sea turtles being picked up, that have been stunned by the frigid water. They have like 3,500 of them at one location hoping they can save some. The last time we had a freeze like this, there was a large fish die off in Galveston Bay. There are not as many folks laughing at this prepper today, as there was a while ago...."
Oooh... I just realized... my main source for onion plants is Dixondale Onions in Texas. Damn! I'd better look for another source of onion plants immediately.

Summerthyme
 

Martinhouse

Deceased
I think the seed potatoes in our area come out of Texas, too, so I recommend that anyone wanting to plant potatoes make inquires where you usually get them. If it's doubtful there will be any, buy what you can at the grocery store asap. Look fore some that show the tiny bits of sprouts in the eyes because they may not have any or as much of the sprout inhibitor on them. I've bought several five pound bags of a nice red potato over the winter and the ones that made it without rotting are full of little sprouts now.

I've found that red potatoes are a better bet if you only have space to seriously grow one kind, The reds do taste good baked, whereas the white ones like russets aren't that good for things like potato salad or stew and I find them too gritty when mashed.
 
Was at VA today and the doc assistant was chatting us up. Let us know the WM down the road (we were planning on hitting today) had gone completely to self serve checkout. NO CASHIERS. We skipped it, went to the local grocery store, got raped on prices....c'est la vie I guess.

We have a discount store in the next major town, we've decided no more really unneeded trips to WM, we'll go once a month for the bare minimum's, hit the discount store and do the rest pick up and online. We typically rack up another $50 or so of impulse/not on the list stuff, no biggie we know we're going to do it. Now WM will not be getting those dollars.

This sucks but I know it's been coming for years, just like self serve gas. Still, it sucks and F them.
 

moldy

Veteran Member
Lots of bare spots today, but it was also Friday afternoon. The little local grocery is getting quite epshort on OTC meds/remedies. And prices just keep creeping up.e
 

philkar

Veteran Member
now that you mention it...what is with the shortage of mylanta? I can't find any in a 45 min radius. No name brand or generic. Anyone heard anything?
 

Roadgeek

Contributing Member
Grocery situation in Austin and Central Texas is pretty rocky. Trucks can't get to the stores. Nearly half the HEB stores in Austin were closed earlier this week, by a combination of no electricity, no water and nothing to sell. Some stores were limiting purchases to no more than 14 items. A disaster is serious when it can bring HEB to its knees. Stores still open have been stripped bare. No shortages except of anything to buy. Lines to get into Aldi in Pflugerville were 15 minutes long, while lines for Costco were an hour long. An hour wait, just to get into a store with no guarantee of any food. There were stories on local media earlier this week about lines at HEB stores being four hours long. People were shopping for water and anything to eat. Trucks simply could not get to supermarkets because the highways were impassable.

My wife and I were astonished. Really? Can't keep a case of water in the back bedroom? Couple of boxes of Pop Tarts? Cans of soup? Vienna sausages? There are things all through a supermarket that can be stored and eaten dry or cold. Just couldn't buy a bag of rice or beans? Many people were just helpless in the face of a breakdown in the food distribution system. Again, with feeling, many people were helpless in the face of a breakdown in the food distribution system. This fact is something to consider going forward. This fact has huge ramifications for those of us who had prepared for events of this nature.

We prepped for an extended lockdown back when we were getting for the pandemic, but our preps worked just as well for this natural disaster. We had no lights and the house was cold, but we still had gas and water. The meals were simple but hot and tasty. Bowl of pinto beans and cornbread. Eggs and bacon. Chicken leg quarter and Rice-A-Roni. We were prepared to melt snow if the water died, which it did for many people. The lines of helpless people at the supermarkets surprised and disheartened us. People seemed shocked and surprised that the supermarket didn't have any food and wasn't going to be getting any more until the roads cleared, which was today in Austin. Snow here still hasn't melted in many places.

We'll be adding a generator to our household. That would have been nice for a space heater in the living room and for some light. We were bored because it was dark, and we couldn't read. We had two phones and an iPad, so we could communicate and see what was happening in the world. But the house stayed too dark to read, which was annoying.

The freezers and refrigerators stayed cold, even with no electricity. The house was cold, probably between 35-40 Tuesday morning, while the temp outside was 7. The power was off for about 60 hours here in our neighborhood. Nothing in the two freezers even started to thaw. The refrigerator freezer still had ice cubes in the bin. The weather was cold, and the freezers would have been a problem in the summer months, but we were very pleased. A generator would solve that problem in all seasons.

Another issue. We were charging the phones and the pad in the car. We started the week with half a tank of gas, and ended the week just under a quarter. Mistake on my part not keeping the car topped off. Service stations everywhere were down with no power and no tankers bringing gasoline.

Batteries. We found that all we had in the way of batteries was in the flashlights and lantern. Need more candles. Overall, however, we did okay. Not completely comfortable, but we ate hot food and had hot showers, both of which helped keep morale up. What happened this week was a test of our preps, and I think we did pretty well. We learned some things, and we'll be adding items and making some changes. This is just a report that might help others.
 

Nopie

Contributing Member
Did my monthly shopping trip to Winco in Redding, CA. I live over an hour away from this “big town” (population under 100K) and this place is the best deal in town. Prices are definitely up a little bit month over month but supply is good. Didn’t see any significant shortages and they had canning jars! Just five cases of pints so I bought three of them, left two for someone else.

Other than prices continuing to rise, I think supply here is good. I also found canned roast beef hash - much better than corned beef hash - haven’t seen that in a while so I got four cans. May wish later I bought more...
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Was asked to post this . . . "Fresh" fish (and sea food) is in short supply in Central Iowa. Still a fair amount of frozen fish, which I'm not crazy about because it can be old and taste like the box when reheated.

A large portion of our Lenten fish comes from Texas, along with citrus, potatoes, and other veggies. I noticed that potatoes were in short supply, again, but there were plenty of lettuces, onions, and so on, at least for now.

If your fresh fish and produce comes from Texas, you might start seeing shortages soon.

I stocked up on some canned, frozen OJ, grapefruit, and mixed berry juice, plus bought a large bag of oranges.

One other note: eye drops and rubbing alcohol are in very short supply, again.
 

anna43

Veteran Member
When I was still working I left early due to a blizzard. As I drove by Fareway I was so tempted to be a sheeple and go in to "stock up", but I honestly could not think of one thing I needed. Plus it would have been stupid to waste that precious time when I could/should be on the road. Twenty-five miles in a blizzard is horrible bucking drifts and zero visibility and stupid drivers who don't slow down and pass you when they can't possibly see oncoming traffic. So I kept driving right past Fareway and got home safely. I cannot and never will understand people who do not have emergency food and supplies on-hand at all times. Its not rocket science and it won't break the budget if done over time. I still haven't shopped since Jan. 11 and I'm not out of anything. Concerned about what I'll find when I do go out to shop.
 

Nopie

Contributing Member
Most likely much higher prices than you've been paying and/or smaller sizes.

Its the smaller sizes that I don’t like. I went to grab a bag of chips at the store yesterday but when I picked up the bag, it felt like only about 1/3 of the bag had chips in it and the bag was smaller than I remember them being.

Small bag + high price = I’m not buying that :shk:
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Our local Walmart and Dollar General has been wiped clean. They might as well close the stores, until the trucks are able to run and get here. I'm sure higher prices are in store for everything. I'm getting the feeling that when the trucks do get here, they're not going to be fully loaded.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I went to grab a bag of chips at the store yesterday but when I picked up the bag, it felt like only about 1/3 of the bag had chips in it and the bag was smaller than I remember them being.
Okay, one more time. The bags are half empty and semi-pressurized in order to protect the contents during shipping. Perhaps you’d rather your bags of “chip crumbs” be vacuum packed. I don’t.

As to smaller sizes, that pisses me off all the time.
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
If you want heat, get a radiant heater that hooks to a 20# propane tank. I used one for years. It can warm an entire room, and the propane tank will last a week under constant use. Electric is worthless.
Would you be able to give specifics on this? I've looked into propane-powered radiant heaters and the expected service length on one tank is 35.7 hours. I suppose if you alternated off/on, that length run time could be extended but I doubt for one week. Seems like what you're suggesting is a great idea if that is available.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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They’re the round ones.

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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Grocery situation in Austin and Central Texas is pretty rocky. Trucks can't get to the stores. Nearly half the HEB stores in Austin were closed earlier this week, by a combination of no electricity, no water and nothing to sell. Some stores were limiting purchases to no more than 14 items. A disaster is serious when it can bring HEB to its knees. Stores still open have been stripped bare. No shortages except of anything to buy. Lines to get into Aldi in Pflugerville were 15 minutes long, while lines for Costco were an hour long. An hour wait, just to get into a store with no guarantee of any food. There were stories on local media earlier this week about lines at HEB stores being four hours long. People were shopping for water and anything to eat. Trucks simply could not get to supermarkets because the highways were impassable.

My wife and I were astonished. Really? Can't keep a case of water in the back bedroom? Couple of boxes of Pop Tarts? Cans of soup? Vienna sausages? There are things all through a supermarket that can be stored and eaten dry or cold. Just couldn't buy a bag of rice or beans? Many people were just helpless in the face of a breakdown in the food distribution system. Again, with feeling, many people were helpless in the face of a breakdown in the food distribution system. This fact is something to consider going forward. This fact has huge ramifications for those of us who had prepared for events of this nature.

We prepped for an extended lockdown back when we were getting for the pandemic, but our preps worked just as well for this natural disaster. We had no lights and the house was cold, but we still had gas and water. The meals were simple but hot and tasty. Bowl of pinto beans and cornbread. Eggs and bacon. Chicken leg quarter and Rice-A-Roni. We were prepared to melt snow if the water died, which it did for many people. The lines of helpless people at the supermarkets surprised and disheartened us. People seemed shocked and surprised that the supermarket didn't have any food and wasn't going to be getting any more until the roads cleared, which was today in Austin. Snow here still hasn't melted in many places.

We'll be adding a generator to our household. That would have been nice for a space heater in the living room and for some light. We were bored because it was dark, and we couldn't read. We had two phones and an iPad, so we could communicate and see what was happening in the world. But the house stayed too dark to read, which was annoying.

The freezers and refrigerators stayed cold, even with no electricity. The house was cold, probably between 35-40 Tuesday morning, while the temp outside was 7. The power was off for about 60 hours here in our neighborhood. Nothing in the two freezers even started to thaw. The refrigerator freezer still had ice cubes in the bin. The weather was cold, and the freezers would have been a problem in the summer months, but we were very pleased. A generator would solve that problem in all seasons.

Another issue. We were charging the phones and the pad in the car. We started the week with half a tank of gas, and ended the week just under a quarter. Mistake on my part not keeping the car topped off. Service stations everywhere were down with no power and no tankers bringing gasoline.

Batteries. We found that all we had in the way of batteries was in the flashlights and lantern. Need more candles. Overall, however, we did okay. Not completely comfortable, but we ate hot food and had hot showers, both of which helped keep morale up. What happened this week was a test of our preps, and I think we did pretty well. We learned some things, and we'll be adding items and making some changes. This is just a report that might help others.
Thanks for the report!

Headlamps are the ticket for reading, playing games, cooking, etc.
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
Its the smaller sizes that I don’t like. I went to grab a bag of chips at the store yesterday but when I picked up the bag, it felt like only about 1/3 of the bag had chips in it and the bag was smaller than I remember them being.

Small bag + high price = I’m not buying that :shk:
We get our Kettle chips at Costco. A giant bag. Somewhere around 5 bucks a bag. Yesterday's purchase 34 $ 6 bags of chips and 2 lbs of little tomatoes.
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
They’re the round ones.

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That's what I saw at Home Depot and others. But, here's the description: only 39hours. I liked your idea of a week!
  • 15,000 BTU variable radiant heaters
  • 3 heat settings – 10,000, 12,000 and 15,000 BTU
  • Runs up to 39 hours on a 20 lb. LP cylinder
  • Heats up to 375 sq. ft.
  • No electricity required
  • Match ignition
  • CSA certified
  • Regulator included
  • Tip over protection
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Well, you wouldn’t necessarily want to run it while folks were sleeping. Also, you can get 30# tanks. I have two of those.
 

patriotgal

Veteran Member
Overall we have also been happy with preps. Need better headlamps and more foods for people who forgot their dentures. The only reason I buy oats is to make cookies but oats are easy to eat for the older than me crowd so will fix that hole in the preps. Great grandchild left a couple boxes of drinks in pouches. Those came in handy also for older family members. Quickly became apparent which blankets were highly favored so grabbing couple more of those. Only real issue is too many stairs or steps for the frail crew. Moving to a better setup when weather allows. We did have a folding walker, cane and portable potty chair. Those came in handy. We had prepped for babies but not so well for elders.
 

SusieSunshine

Veteran Member
Overall we did ok. Lost power a few times, no big deal. We just started the genny and hooked up the tv and a light. Plenty of batteries, food and water. We haven't been out and about since the 9th. Amazingly, neighbors have gone out nearly every day. I did hear that every store was closed, roads were bad and traffic lights were out. It's getting back to near normal today. Snow is finally melted and the sun is shining! I'll do a grocery run on Tuesday, hopefully HEB will have been restocked.
Being prepared is a good thing.
I never considered needing a heat source in Texas! Silly me. Our power wasn't out long enough to need one. That will be fixed this year.
 

Roadgeek

Contributing Member
That's what I saw at Home Depot and others. But, here's the description: only 39hours. I liked your idea of a week!
  • 15,000 BTU variable radiant heaters
  • 3 heat settings – 10,000, 12,000 and 15,000 BTU
  • Runs up to 39 hours on a 20 lb. LP cylinder
  • Heats up to 375 sq. ft.
  • No electricity required
  • Match ignition
  • CSA certified
  • Regulator included
  • Tip over protection
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Are you at all concerned about CO when using this?
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
Are you at all concerned about CO when using this?
No, it is not a concern. People use propane for ovens, fireplaces with gas logs, etc., so carbon monoxide must not be a by-product. Is there something that you know that I need to know about this?
 

Roadgeek

Contributing Member
No, it is not a concern. People use propane for ovens, fireplaces with gas logs, etc., so carbon monoxide must not be a by-product. Is there something that you know that I need to know about this?
No. You've answered my question. I was just concerned about CO buildup in a confined space. But after I asked the question it occurred to me that I grew up with the old-fashioned space heaters; the ones with ceramic inserts that you could stand in front of and get really warm. They burned NG or propane (or butane back in the day) and there was no CO buildup.
 

Roadgeek

Contributing Member
No. You've answered my question. I was just concerned about CO buildup in a confined space. But after I asked the question it occurred to me that I grew up with the old-fashioned space heaters; the ones with ceramic inserts that you could stand in front of and get really warm. They burned NG or propane (or butane back in the day) and there was no CO buildup.
SAme principle applies here, I suppose.
 
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