Pol: Why Americans Want a Military General in the White House - Time Magazine

Housecarl

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Is this coming from the same bunch that ran Petraeus up the flag pole to be shot full of holes or is it something else considering where this is being published?...

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http://time.com/4303985/james-mattis-military-president-campaign-candidates/

Politics Military

Why Americans Want a Military General in the White House

Mark Thompson @MarkThompson_DC
April 21, 2016

There’s a long tradition, although it hasn’t happened since 1952


Retired Marine general James “Mad Dog” Mattis, who hung up his uniform three years ago, batted away speculation about running for President on Friday—but didn’t rule it out. Mattis—call sign “Chaos”—was fielding questions from the audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington following a talk on Iran, but the first query had nothing to do with Tehran.

Instead, a reporter wanted to know if the former head of U.S. Central Command (2010-2013) has given any thoughts to running for the White House, as many of his supporters are arguing he should. “No, I haven’t given any thought to it,” he responded quickly. Well, what about the rumors that he might run? “I think people like you know that better than I do,” he said, before moving on quickly to the friendlier terrain of international relations. After the gathering, the 65-year-old Mattis, also known as the “Warrior Monk” for his ascetic intellect, declined to issue a flat denial that he would run.

His coyness is atypical. During his 44 years in uniform, part of his attraction was his willingness to offer his unvarnished, and sometimes, impolitic, opinions. “You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn’t wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain’t got no manhood left anyway,” Mattis said in 2005. “So it’s a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them.”

What is it about military leaders that has led so many voters to champion them for the Presidency? After all, it’s not like the nation has emerged victorious from its recent wars. But it actually may have more to do with the personal qualities Americans sense in their military leaders, rather than the battles they were ordered to fight.

“As the polls show, Americans overwhelming pick the military as the institution in U.S. society in which they have the most confidence, so it isn’t surprising that some may look to the leaders of that institution to lead the nation as a whole,” says Charles Dunlap, a retired Air Force major general who now heads the Center on Law, Ethics and National Security at Duke Law School. They also perceive military officers as largely altruistic and honest, “qualities that many Americans find conspicuously absent from the traditional politicians that they see these days.”

It’s a long tradition. George Washington was the first general who went on to serve as President of the United States, and some voters continue to think it’s good training for the job. There was former Army general William Tecumseh Sherman in 1884, whose emphatic “no thanks” (“I will not accept if nominated and will not serve if elected”) has been codified in the nation’s political lexicon as a “Shermanesque statement.” Some championed ex-Army general Douglas MacArthur in 1952, but he demurred (another retired Army four-star, Dwight Eisenhower, ultimately won that election, the last of 12 generals to do so).

Military victory is a powerful political tonic: just ask Colin Powell, who oversaw 1991’s Persian Gulf War from the safety of the Pentagon and was white-hot as a GOP contender in 1996. But Powell ultimately concluded he didn’t have the passion a presidential campaign required and bowed out (although he still won the New Hampshire primary afterward, as a write-in candidate). A second Army four-star, Wesley Clark, tried but failed to win the Democratic nomination in 2004.

“The transition from general to President is a difficult one, but it is not the hardest part of the assignment,” says Peter Feaver, a civil-military relations scholar who has served on the National Security Council staff in both Democratic and Republican White House. “The really hard part is the transition from general to candidate.”

Despite that lack of battlefield success since 9/11, the names of senior military officers who served or oversaw the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue to be mentioned as Presidential contenders. Beyond Mattis, they have included retired Army general Stanley McChrystal, retired Navy admiral Mike Mullen, and retired Army general David Petraeus.

The public—especially those who’d like to see a military veteran in the White House—tends to view retired officers as Republicans, even if they haven’t declared a party affiliation. “What we have here is further evidence of the desperation engulfing the right-wing Establishment as it contemplates the prospect of (GOP candidates Donald) Trump or (Ted) Cruz winning the Republican nomination, and therefore handing the presidency to the Democrats,” says Andrew Bacevich, a retired Army colonel and military historian.

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None of the major candidates still in the running to become commander-in-chief ever served in the military. But they’re aware of the patina that accompanies such service. In a book published last year, Trump said he “always felt that I was in the military” because he attended a military boarding school and “dealt with those people.” Democrat frontrunner Hillary Clinton raised eyebrows in New Hampshire last November with her claim that a Marine recruiter turned her away in 1975 when she tried to sign up.

Yet while military officers may have experience on the battlefield, most are unwilling to try to cross the political minefield that American politics has become.

“Today’s political process is so prolonged and so onerous that virtually no senior military leaders of the current generation would seriously consider running,” says former three-star Army general David Barno, who led all U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005, and now lectures on civil-military relations at American University. “The realities of a painfully long two-year presidential campaign, the ugly personal attacks on candidates and their families, and the highly-polarized nature of the party primaries are just a few of the reasons that make even considering the idea unpalatable to nearly anyone retired who once wore stars.”
 

Melodi

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“Today’s political process is so prolonged and so onerous that virtually no senior military leaders of the current generation would seriously consider running,” says former three-star Army general David Barno, who led all U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005, and now lectures on civil-military relations at American University. “The realities of a painfully long two-year presidential campaign, the ugly personal attacks on candidates and their families, and the highly-polarized nature of the party primaries are just a few of the reasons that make even considering the idea unpalatable to nearly anyone retired who once wore stars.”

This is pretty much why practically no-one who is really qualified actually runs for President anymore; the other one being the insane amounts of money required insure you either have to have someone independently wealthy (like Trump) or who is willing to "sell" themselves to people who do have it.

As for the underlying premise of the article, what scares me a bit is of course the public is starting to look at military leaders; they are viewed as individuals who are able to provide leadership, discipline and have the ability to knock heads together to get things done.

During periods of social and economic chaos that can be very attractive and if you have the right person, it can actually work out; but with the wrong person (and sadly much of the time historically it IS the wrong person) what you get is out of the frying pan and into the fire.
 

dogmanan

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“Today’s political process is so prolonged and so onerous that virtually no senior military leaders of the current generation would seriously consider running,” says former three-star Army general David Barno, who led all U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005, and now lectures on civil-military relations at American University. “The realities of a painfully long two-year presidential campaign, the ugly personal attacks on candidates and their families, and the highly-polarized nature of the party primaries are just a few of the reasons that make even considering the idea unpalatable to nearly anyone retired who once wore stars.”

This is pretty much why practically no-one who is really qualified actually runs for President anymore; the other one being the insane amounts of money required insure you either have to have someone independently wealthy (like Trump) or who is willing to "sell" themselves to people who do have it.

As for the underlying premise of the article, what scares me a bit is of course the public is starting to look at military leaders; they are viewed as individuals who are able to provide leadership, discipline and have the ability to knock heads together to get things done.

During periods of social and economic chaos that can be very attractive and if you have the right person, it can actually work out; but with the wrong person (and sadly much of the time historically it IS the wrong person) what you get is out of the frying pan and into the fire.


No matter how you look at it we are on the edge of the frying pan and falling in to the fire, so nothing matters except staying alive and taking back are country, because we are at the point where we have nothing else to loose.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
No matter how you look at it we are on the edge of the frying pan and falling in to the fire, so nothing matters except staying alive and taking back are country, because we are at the point where we have nothing else to loose.
Oh, there's a lot left to loose; I will refrain from comparing my experiences in 1970's Venezuela to the present day but I can assure you that my friends that have continued to live there thought things were bad then; but much-much-much worse now.

Or how to do think Chavez managed to stay in power? He was a military man and he promised to make everything "work" again...I mean he didn't but that is what he promised and he stayed in power because he paid his troops well and they called him General....(before and after he took office).
 

raven

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. . . it is kind of necessary to have a General that has actually won a war . . . which is how you know this is a liberal idea . . . which kind of brightens your day knowing they are worried about both Sanders and Clinton
 

Housecarl

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“Today’s political process is so prolonged and so onerous that virtually no senior military leaders of the current generation would seriously consider running,” says former three-star Army general David Barno, who led all U.S. and coalition forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005, and now lectures on civil-military relations at American University. “The realities of a painfully long two-year presidential campaign, the ugly personal attacks on candidates and their families, and the highly-polarized nature of the party primaries are just a few of the reasons that make even considering the idea unpalatable to nearly anyone retired who once wore stars.”

This is pretty much why practically no-one who is really qualified actually runs for President anymore; the other one being the insane amounts of money required insure you either have to have someone independently wealthy (like Trump) or who is willing to "sell" themselves to people who do have it.

As for the underlying premise of the article, what scares me a bit is of course the public is starting to look at military leaders; they are viewed as individuals who are able to provide leadership, discipline and have the ability to knock heads together to get things done.

During periods of social and economic chaos that can be very attractive and if you have the right person, it can actually work out; but with the wrong person (and sadly much of the time historically it IS the wrong person) what you get is out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Yeah, the United States has been historically so lucky regarding our "men on horseback", starting with Washington, compared to the rest of the world as to make one wonder if the Fates were rolling loaded dice.
 

Housecarl

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. . . it is kind of necessary to have a General that has actually won a war

Considering the political establishment has chosen to "manage" threats since 1945 instead of "eliminating" them, using that metric doesn't work as it used to.
 

Dozdoats

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Nice to know Dunlap is at Duke Law - that can only be a positive for the students he influences.

If you don't know his name, I first became acquainted with his work a couple of decades ago thanks to his essay The Origins Of The American Military Coup of 2012 - see http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/1992/1992 dunlap.pdf

Well, here we are with 2012 well past - and 1992 seems like AGES ago. But read the essay anyway, for good measure.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
There are some Generals's I'd accept running for and getting the big prize... Mattis, Petraeus and a few that would rate, Hell No's! Such as Clark, Powell, McChrystal, McRaven... There's more that are simply extensions of the elite class, with the same views and foibles as our "Professional Politicians". In COL Hackworth's words, they were "Perfumed Princes" and it's only gotten worse. Any Senior Flag Rank Officer that's been through the last eight years has kowtowed to the Kenyan and is onboard with the current thinking.

Jeff B.
 
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