USA Obese Woman Dragged From Home, Hauled Away After Death (As Family Watched)
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rummer
Veteran Member
I would love to have a tarp in my Ambulance, if I had a place to store it. Right now every nook and cranny in my Ambulance has something in it. Most private Ambulances do not have the space to carry them nor will most employers purchase them.
I understand the carpet was not the best to use to cover the woman but it was better than nothing at all. Most Fire departments carry tarps so if they had been on scene could have provided one, but they were not there. We are talking the Coroner here, and they do not have nor carry everything including the kitchen sink.
They improvised and had to use what was available.
dragonslayer2001
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Penumbra, and not to beat a dead horse to death a second time,
I think the point of this thread was about treating the dead with respect
even the dead have to earn respect. Satanta mentioned a thread from a while back where an obese woman got stuck to her toilet seat, so her 'boyfriend' took care of her until she FUSED to the seat. Yes, true story.
We don't have any idea from the story what shape the dead woman was in, whether the apt might have been an absolute sh_thole horror story, if the woman stunk or was covered with feces - I'm sure some of the first providers could supply some unpleasant personal stories.
Even the dead need to earn respect. So many expect so much for free....... just cause things happen to exist.
Penumbra, and not to beat a dead horse to death a second time,
I think the point of this thread was about treating the dead with respect
even the dead have to earn respect. Satanta mentioned a thread from a while back where an obese woman got stuck to her toilet seat, so her 'boyfriend' took care of her until she FUSED to the seat. Yes, true story.
We don't have any idea from the story what shape the dead woman was in, whether the apt might have been an absolute sh_thole horror story, if the woman stunk or was covered with feces - I'm sure some of the first providers could supply some unpleasant personal stories.
Even the dead need to earn respect. So many expect so much for free....... just cause things happen to exist.
dragonslayer... sorry, but it's rather difficult for the "dead to EARN respect"!!
I don't see the big problem with how they handled this, quite honestly. Given the issues involved... well, let's just say that modern society has SO sanitized death that most people never think about things like the logistics of moving a very large dead human. There is a term which people use, but like many other phrases which are part of the language, but were from another era, FEW people understand... "dead weight". Dead weight is HEAVY... a 100# DEAD calf is twice as hard to move as the same weight live calf, although it probably sounds strange to anyone who hasn't dealt with it. (off topic, but I was recently finishing up my "working container" of flour, and thought "hmmm... scraping the bottom of the barrel here".... and then I wondered how many people today would even understand what that really meant).
BUT... I do agree that basic humanity does require some respect... dead or alive. Some of the comments here are rather over that line- but this is a discussion board. I suspect her boyfriend was expecting something like a fancy stretcher, a big black hearse, etc... but a dead body is just that... a body. NOT a human any longer (although it's a human body, which we culturally DO expect requires more "respectful" treatment than, say, a dead dog or cat.)
Would they have been any happier if they'd left her there to bloat and begin decomposition (which starts VERY quickly in warm weather, or a warm apartment) while they tried to find a fancier way to move her? Also, they moved her ON A MATTRESS... it's not like they hauled her out, dragging her along the ground, with her head thumping down the stairs!
Given what's coming, this is either a non-issue, or a lesson... think NOW how YOU will handle corpses, if things like medical examiners, morgues and funeral homes are no longer available...
Summerthyme
I don't see the big problem with how they handled this, quite honestly. Given the issues involved... well, let's just say that modern society has SO sanitized death that most people never think about things like the logistics of moving a very large dead human. There is a term which people use, but like many other phrases which are part of the language, but were from another era, FEW people understand... "dead weight". Dead weight is HEAVY... a 100# DEAD calf is twice as hard to move as the same weight live calf, although it probably sounds strange to anyone who hasn't dealt with it. (off topic, but I was recently finishing up my "working container" of flour, and thought "hmmm... scraping the bottom of the barrel here".... and then I wondered how many people today would even understand what that really meant).
BUT... I do agree that basic humanity does require some respect... dead or alive. Some of the comments here are rather over that line- but this is a discussion board. I suspect her boyfriend was expecting something like a fancy stretcher, a big black hearse, etc... but a dead body is just that... a body. NOT a human any longer (although it's a human body, which we culturally DO expect requires more "respectful" treatment than, say, a dead dog or cat.)
Would they have been any happier if they'd left her there to bloat and begin decomposition (which starts VERY quickly in warm weather, or a warm apartment) while they tried to find a fancier way to move her? Also, they moved her ON A MATTRESS... it's not like they hauled her out, dragging her along the ground, with her head thumping down the stairs!
Given what's coming, this is either a non-issue, or a lesson... think NOW how YOU will handle corpses, if things like medical examiners, morgues and funeral homes are no longer available...
Summerthyme
I can tell you now that any thread dealing with obesity in any situation would be FUBAR from the get-go.
Ones side would claim it's gross and nasty and that the obese should take better vare of selves and the other side would claim medical issues and food allergies as the root of all cause.
This is not the first thread on TB dealing with the morbidly obese and one issue or the other but the names and coments are the same.
dragonslayer2001
Inactive
Summerthyme
I probably wasn't clear enough.
What I was trying to convey was that if I was a first responder, OR a citizen who was helping to remove a body, and I found a domicile shit stained, stinking, filthy, rathole, and a dead horribly beyond belief Jaba the Hut sized human who used to 'live' there, with mouldy old donuts stuck between the rolls of fat, also stinking and covered with .......... crud..........
I might decide that person wasn't deserving of what would normally be considered 'common decency'.
And I probably wouldn't take kindly to taking four hours removing and helping to haul away the carcass.
From Ravekid's comments, it could be that kind of neighborhood. It could be that kind of human. I don't know. The story doesn't give many 'facts' other than morbid obesity and dirty rugs and flatbeds.
I DO know there are a great many people, including in N. American that live like pigs and die like pigs. Deserving of my 'respect'? Even in death?
Nope. Hell no. Lot's of humans are slime. That is the reality. Hope you never have a very close personal encounter with any of them. I have.
May sound cruel and unusual to some of you, but I have been out and about, and have seen some things some of you most certainly have not in your sheltered lives. And I've probably been up close and personal with some human creatures that would terrify some of you being within a hundred feet of them. Some of you DO live in a sheltered dream world compared to the way MOST of the rest of the world actually is.
I don't know if any factors like that were involved in the 'lack' of respect shown here. But they could be.
That is what I mean by even the dead need to 'earn' respect.
I probably wasn't clear enough.
What I was trying to convey was that if I was a first responder, OR a citizen who was helping to remove a body, and I found a domicile shit stained, stinking, filthy, rathole, and a dead horribly beyond belief Jaba the Hut sized human who used to 'live' there, with mouldy old donuts stuck between the rolls of fat, also stinking and covered with .......... crud..........
I might decide that person wasn't deserving of what would normally be considered 'common decency'.
And I probably wouldn't take kindly to taking four hours removing and helping to haul away the carcass.
From Ravekid's comments, it could be that kind of neighborhood. It could be that kind of human. I don't know. The story doesn't give many 'facts' other than morbid obesity and dirty rugs and flatbeds.
I DO know there are a great many people, including in N. American that live like pigs and die like pigs. Deserving of my 'respect'? Even in death?
Nope. Hell no. Lot's of humans are slime. That is the reality. Hope you never have a very close personal encounter with any of them. I have.
May sound cruel and unusual to some of you, but I have been out and about, and have seen some things some of you most certainly have not in your sheltered lives. And I've probably been up close and personal with some human creatures that would terrify some of you being within a hundred feet of them. Some of you DO live in a sheltered dream world compared to the way MOST of the rest of the world actually is.
I don't know if any factors like that were involved in the 'lack' of respect shown here. But they could be.
That is what I mean by even the dead need to 'earn' respect.
CelticRose
Membership Revoked
Not trying to presume exactly what DS was saying, however, I took his statement to mean that the 'dead' should conduct themselves in a manner while ALIVE, to minimize actions which. after they're dead, would be considered disrespectful.
The woman who was the main object of this thread had choices in her life and it appears she made bad ones. She paid for it with her obesity, her living conditions and in the end, her life and final exit.
Now .. You're right, Summerthyme; 'dead weight' feels heavier than 'live' weight because in the case of people or animals, one can usually get some sort of assistance from them........ Usually; I too have had to deal with larger critters and when they don't want to move or be moved, they can make the process extremely difficult. And that includes four legged and two legged critters
From an stubborn pony to a disabled or simply stubborn human. Also for those who find the words and attitudes less than flattering, when dealing with the morbidly obese individuals; the manner of the weight matters.
Pressing a couple hundred pounds is easy for some, for others, it's nearly impossible. Picking up a 50 pound bag of feed is not as awkward as say trying to pick up a 50 pound sack of mushy lard. One is fairly compact and contained the other more fluid and difficult to find a static center for balance.
Regardless.
Death is rarely dignified. And the realities of the dealing with the deceased is not pretty. I do have great respect for those who choose that for a profession as I would imagine it to be very difficult at times and also very unpleasant too.
An little side note. My husband has CHF and a host of other health issues, so we're at doctors offices a great deal. When he was first diagnosed he was very slim, partly due to the fact he had always been active and not prone to being overweight, but also, he had diabetes, as yet undiagnosed, and between that and his heart problems, he was losing weight; both in body fat but also muscle mass.
Now due to several years where he can't be as active, but having his diabetes controlled with meds and diet, he's larger, though not obese. His cardiologist would like him to be under 170, but at 6 foot and not being as physically active plus the number of meds he is on, several of them having the shared effect of possible weight gain, we think that being able to keep his weight around 190 is not unhealthy.
However, his doctors have been very.. descriptive when explaining how difficult excess weight makes it for everyone. From the patient to the surgeon who might have to cut through 5 to 16 inches of fat before being able to access the chest cavity or abdomen, for surgery. One even had a 'blob' of what human fat looks like. It was about 5 pounds in weight, rather like jello, but a tiny bit firmer and took up a fair amount of space. Now imagine that times 10 or 100 or ever 300, in the case of the morbidly obese.
I look at the other patients and realize that going into his health problems that my husband had the 'good luck' to be in 'good shape', as with the exception of a few patients with extreme CHF, many are obese and are carrying perhaps 100 to 150 pounds of extra fat. Not good for them and not good for their caregivers or health care teram.
NumberOneSon
Inactive
Hmmm.... Just, yeah...
"This woman, however, knew her health was in very bad shape, or she should have known."
I have to agree with this statement.
I know that if I ever were to be that obese, I would at least
have some kind of thought that, hey! perhaps my health sucks
and I may end up dying in pretty short order.
The only way you could NOT think that, at that level of obesity, is if:
(a) You have a brain the size of a pea or
(b) YOU'RE DEAD.
I agree, it COULD have been dealt with in a more professional manner.
However, having a plan in place with a weight problem THAT extreme
is USUALLY a good idea.
JMO.
"This woman, however, knew her health was in very bad shape, or she should have known."
I have to agree with this statement.
I know that if I ever were to be that obese, I would at least
have some kind of thought that, hey! perhaps my health sucks
and I may end up dying in pretty short order.
The only way you could NOT think that, at that level of obesity, is if:
(a) You have a brain the size of a pea or
(b) YOU'RE DEAD.
I agree, it COULD have been dealt with in a more professional manner.
However, having a plan in place with a weight problem THAT extreme
is USUALLY a good idea.
JMO.
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Navydad
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It never ceases to amaze me which threads get this board going. My Christmas Marley and Me movie thread is a good example of one that hung around for days.
I say that so I don't come across too critical of subject matter. But, this Obese Dead Woman and her removal from the house is getting more play than I would have ever thought. May she Rest in Peace. Is she buried yet?
I say that so I don't come across too critical of subject matter. But, this Obese Dead Woman and her removal from the house is getting more play than I would have ever thought. May she Rest in Peace. Is she buried yet?
medic38572
TB Fanatic
Lord have mercy....This thing has gone way off topic..
obviously, Mcdonalds and Burger King are responsible for this outrage. This woman's poor family just brought her the cheeseburgers and the whoppers, as a humanitarian effort on their part to facilitate her pursuit of happiness. Where are the lawyers who care, when we need them?You have to work at getting that fat!
Ravekid
Veteran Member
BURIED? You mean to tell me they are going to put this body in THE DIRT!! OMG!! What about all the dust and bugs and nasty stuff in DIRT/THE GROUND? How disrespectful. First they throw a nasty carpet over her, now they are putting the body in the ground.
Ravekid
Veteran Member
It is getting more play because there seems to be two camps when it comes to obesity:
Those who think the vast majority of huge people just eat, eat, and eat some more (usually junk food snacks between meals). Then there are those who want to say this is a blood type issue, a gland problem, or a thyroid issue.
I think that mild obesity or people who are in the upper overweight category may suffer from health related issues, which could cause the body to store more fat, water, whatever. The super obese however are usually there because they just eat, eat, and eat some more. I know five people that I work with that are huge, well into the obesity scale. They all ate/eat junk food, but they don't see it. One guy always made comments about he couldn't lose the weight even though he was eating well. Then he would have me or someone else go down and get him a package of donut sticks or Little Debby snack cakes. His story was that he was actually thin build until he stopped smoking. He admits he replaced cigarettes with food and it caused his weight gain. I think there is a lot of stress in his life, justified or not, it caused him to eat more. Then, when he saw the problem, he just didn't see that he was still eating junk food in between meals. Another guy flat out admitted that he used to shovel in the free donuts when he was a police officer on night shift. He was always big, but was in shape, then when he stopped working out, all that muscle build became fat...and he never was able to just cut out the snacks. He lost a little weight, but not much. Another lady was large and I don't know why, though she always had candy in her office. All three of these individuals had gastric bypass surgery. They are all dropping weight well. The only one I worry about is the one who would send me out to pick up some donut sticks. I saw he was eating a package about a month ago. The other two are younger, the one guy who ate donuts had knee problems, so they are more focused on their diet and weight now. They all look better health wise, and their attitudes are much better.
Now there are two other people I work with who are obese as well. They both eat, and eat well. One guy was eating Taco Bell around 2:30PM, and I found out later he had dinner as well. I know he likely ate lunch, so he is basically eating four to five meals a day. When we were at a place with free food, he ate three sandwiches for breakfast. The other guy, I walked into his work area and he had stopped by before work and gotten a box of pastries. I swear he ate at least five different types of pastries.
Then I look at my own family. Those who eat ice cream, candy everyday are large, very large.
I don't care what folks say, _I_ know why 95% (if not more) of people are obese: Eating. These people just consume enormous amounts of calories, yet they don't have a lifestyle that burns enormous amounts of calories. These people are basically addicted to food. From my observations, the food is like a drug, it is satisfying. These people want the satisfaction more than they want to lose the weight, so they eat the daily serving of donuts, candy, ice cream, soda pop, beer, etc.. They just can't stop, it is a constant feeding for these people.
When folks try to tell me that they, or someone else who is obese, isn't eating, I know they are in denial. Either they, or the other person, is lying, or the person I am speaking with doesn't want to deal with the real issue: Too much consumption of calories. It is exactly like those addicted to alcohol or cigarettes, etc.. Packaged food, extra sweetened food, etc. only compound the problem.
Something I believe is related to this is the lack of "life" humans in the US live. Most folks I know would never be a police officer. They are shocked that anyone could do the job. The reasons are numerous, but mostly it is because how humans are raised (my opinion). We are now raised with food on demand, heating and AC on demand, cooking methods on demand, etc.. We no longer have to _work_ for these things (ie: Chop down trees, saw them in pieces, ax them to smaller pieces, build fires to cook, build fires to heat, fish for some food, hunt for food, etc.). The thing is, a lot of these people sometimes say they _wish_ they had a job like mine, something that can change constantly. They say they are bored with their jobs, sitting in front of computers, waking up, clocking into work, going home. Vacations and such are now costly, so there is only so much extra folks can do anymore. To me, they want life to be more exciting. There is no longer a fear of death at any moment for most of these people, and I think that if you look at human history, most of it was _filled_ with death lurking just around the bend. So most people are not living life in their safe jobs, indoors in safety. I just think humans have lost _something_ in their lives, the fight for constant survival. As such, humans have turned to drugs, food, other things. Some choose a good path: Stay active by hiking, riding bikes, doing yard work. Some choose a bad path: Use drugs, smoke, over eat.
Lastly, I believe one main problem with obesity is the "eating for two." This believe that pregnancy is just sooooo crazy, that women just have these out of control mood swings. I am sure it isn't the greatest state of being, but billions of humans have went through it. Today, with our easy life style, it is easy for a woman to use pregnancy to start the consumption of massive amounts of food, usually junk food. The problem is that this doesn't stop after the baby is born. The woman used her pregnancy mood swings as a justification for her husband to get her a strawberry shake everyday. Baby comes, and a year later, she is still eating strawberry shakes almost every day. The "eating for two" has spiraled out of control, it hasn't ended, and thus the fat rolls start forming.
Oh, boy... Navydad, I hear you. I'm not sure why "obesity" is such a hot button for many, but it certainly is. I suspect it's at least partly due to some very deep seated "racial memories" (for lack of a better term), where "stout" men and "lushly figured" women were admired and emulated... because it was, literally, both an indicator of wealth, and "insurance" in a time when a severe illness could melt 50# or more off- no feeding tubes or total parenteral nutrition via IV in those days!
So, we've got THOSE deep seated "memories", but we're bombarded with very different messages, in everything from "public service announcements" to photoshopped models, etc..."thin is IN".
So... we have major mixed messages, and most- no matter what their weight- often feel conflicted...
But Ravekid... you obviously aren't female, and have NO concept of the powerful demands hormones have! Pregnancy is a wonderful, NORMAL condition, but it DOES create a hormone storm in every woman's body which is quite stunning in it's power and effects. And one of those can be intense cravings... sometimes for "odd" foods or combinations, but often just for FOOD. I do suspect that for many, they are craving nutrients they arent getting, and for sure, the average fast food diet doesn't supply them, so the body keeps saying "more"- but they're shoving in calories rather than protein, vitamins and minerals so desperately needed for a healthy fetus and baby...
As far as the "it doesn't stop after the baby is born".... well, that's also a function of physiology. A nursing mother can need an EXTRA 2000 calories per day... and, again, the hormones don't go back to their normal, pre-pregnancy state all at once. So, if a woman doesn't nurse her baby, she's short circuiting the entire system... and not only doesn't "nurse off" the pregnancy weight, but often ends up packing some more on.
Truthfully, I wonder if there isn't another mechanism in there as well, where when a woman decides to not breastfeed, the body doesn't "understand" it as a "choice", and instead "thinks" (hard to find words which work here... obviously) "not nursing- the baby must have died. Must conserve energy so the next one lives".
Believe me, biology plays a LOT bigger part in many of these heavy people than you might want to admit.
Summerthyme
So, we've got THOSE deep seated "memories", but we're bombarded with very different messages, in everything from "public service announcements" to photoshopped models, etc..."thin is IN".
So... we have major mixed messages, and most- no matter what their weight- often feel conflicted...
But Ravekid... you obviously aren't female, and have NO concept of the powerful demands hormones have! Pregnancy is a wonderful, NORMAL condition, but it DOES create a hormone storm in every woman's body which is quite stunning in it's power and effects. And one of those can be intense cravings... sometimes for "odd" foods or combinations, but often just for FOOD. I do suspect that for many, they are craving nutrients they arent getting, and for sure, the average fast food diet doesn't supply them, so the body keeps saying "more"- but they're shoving in calories rather than protein, vitamins and minerals so desperately needed for a healthy fetus and baby...
As far as the "it doesn't stop after the baby is born".... well, that's also a function of physiology. A nursing mother can need an EXTRA 2000 calories per day... and, again, the hormones don't go back to their normal, pre-pregnancy state all at once. So, if a woman doesn't nurse her baby, she's short circuiting the entire system... and not only doesn't "nurse off" the pregnancy weight, but often ends up packing some more on.
Truthfully, I wonder if there isn't another mechanism in there as well, where when a woman decides to not breastfeed, the body doesn't "understand" it as a "choice", and instead "thinks" (hard to find words which work here... obviously) "not nursing- the baby must have died. Must conserve energy so the next one lives".
Believe me, biology plays a LOT bigger part in many of these heavy people than you might want to admit.
Summerthyme
BigBadBossyDog
Membership Revoked
Oh, Ravekid, you are gonna get flamed so hard.................
P.S. I 100% agree with you.
This thread is as revealing as a group photo.
P.S. I 100% agree with you.
This thread is as revealing as a group photo.
The same scenario happened in Fresno Calif the day before this poor woman died. The outcome however, was very different. The man weighed 800 pounds but the responding personnel handled it in an amazing way. Hats off to them!!!! They set up "curtains" where ever the body would have been in puplic view, the media was NEVER allowed to take a photo of the man, the local TV stations stressed the fact that the man's dignity was preserved by the all, the man was covered at all times, and he was placed into the vehicle without being seen by the public.
Granted, this is a big city and they had plenty of manpower and a large vehicle. I still think the woman's removal could have been handled better, especially when she had relatives there.
Granted, this is a big city and they had plenty of manpower and a large vehicle. I still think the woman's removal could have been handled better, especially when she had relatives there.
Loon
Inactive
If nothing else this thread is a good incentive to stay on a good diet. 
Just the visual of a moldy biscuit falling out of a fold of skin is enough to keep one on track.
Pregnancy cravings are real. When I was pregnant I craved stewed tomatoes and ate them by the can. I also craved lobster. I wound up five pounds thinner after I delivered than I was when I got pregnant. I don't know why a person has cravings in this condition but it is real.
Just the visual of a moldy biscuit falling out of a fold of skin is enough to keep one on track. Pregnancy cravings are real. When I was pregnant I craved stewed tomatoes and ate them by the can. I also craved lobster. I wound up five pounds thinner after I delivered than I was when I got pregnant. I don't know why a person has cravings in this condition but it is real.
Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Speaking of burial do they make coffins that large? Are coffins "one size fits all" kinda thing? Or will they have to special order and how long will that take? I am honestly asking here. No insult to anyone...alive or dead.
And loon, I had cravings too...chocolate ice cream cones in the wafer kind of cones.
And loon, I had cravings too...chocolate ice cream cones in the wafer kind of cones.
annieosage
Inactive
This thread, and there was another one about the woman who was sent to the zoo for her MRI, the reason they disgust me is the lack of not just respect, but more or less the outright cruelty I hear in some of the posts. The outright meanness. The outright disgust.
Some people are obese because of what they eat. Some people are obese because of health issues. Have you ever seen a kid who was sick so pumped up on steroids that he looked obese? I have and he got teased by some other kids who just thought he was a fat kid.
It just saddens me that no matter what it is- obesity, color, religion, several of you have really opened my eyes to how judgmental and cruel and crass some of you people are. But see it is not PC to make fun of or degrade a black person or a Muslim or a homosexual, but it is OK to make fun of a fat person.
We have several members here who are literally dying. Several who are very sick. Several who are hurting emotionally and all you people can do is take a thread about the disrespect of a dead woman's body and turn it into a free for all over fat people.
This is what the world is coming to. Mike and I talk almost every day about how just generally mean and angry people have become. Now I see it a lot more even here than I used to.
Some people are obese because of what they eat. Some people are obese because of health issues. Have you ever seen a kid who was sick so pumped up on steroids that he looked obese? I have and he got teased by some other kids who just thought he was a fat kid.
It just saddens me that no matter what it is- obesity, color, religion, several of you have really opened my eyes to how judgmental and cruel and crass some of you people are. But see it is not PC to make fun of or degrade a black person or a Muslim or a homosexual, but it is OK to make fun of a fat person.
We have several members here who are literally dying. Several who are very sick. Several who are hurting emotionally and all you people can do is take a thread about the disrespect of a dead woman's body and turn it into a free for all over fat people.
This is what the world is coming to. Mike and I talk almost every day about how just generally mean and angry people have become. Now I see it a lot more even here than I used to.
I am in the same observation camp as RK. From observation and being around others to my own transplant and the observation of others and the warning that I would likely gain a lot of weight.
I haven't.
The people in the transplant clinic are people who had health issues that caused organ failure and once 'fixed' found they could eat like pigs and eat sweets and the ballooned. Hell I still drink diet coke and eat like I did before the plant insead of hordeing the carbsand sugars.
My buddy I roomed with was over 400;bs. He did not eat big meals but he was constantly eating-even to the extent of turning ketchup bottles over and using his finger to get out every last drop. He never got ice with his drinks claiming he did not like ice-but I guarantee on some level is was his craving for calories.
I do not hate obese people but I can make observations of how many of them function not realizing how much they are actually eating.
Health issue do come in to play that cause people to gain weight but come on....when I see a over 400 pound woman and her kids in the 7-8 yr range and they weight well over 200 in the bulk food section loading up on cookies and candy and I travel all over his country and see a vast majority of overweight people....it is not all 'health' related to some dysfunction of the thyroid or allergies.
That is not reality.
Again-I am not picking on the woman but-she was 750 dead weight in a trailer [IIRC]]. Trailer hallways and doorways are not big and spacious. Wherever this took place they obviously did not have the capability to move this much weight easily.
Yes, they should have done one thing or the other better-no dount but continuing harping on it when it is done and over will not resolve it as it is already done.
Hansa44
Justine Case
Too bad schools don't put as much time into teaching nutrition as they do into sex. AND....what can happen to the body if you don't take care of it.
But no...they are far more interested in teaching how a guy puts his wee wee into a girls vagygy and what happens. (has it helped?)
But no...they are far more interested in teaching how a guy puts his wee wee into a girls vagygy and what happens. (has it helped?)
KerryAnn
Inactive
Santana, for the record, I don't think that food allergies are the sole cause of obesity at that level, but one contributing factor of many, and a contribtuing factor that is almost always dismissed and overlooked. Most of my over-weight clients loose weight wihout effort when they do come off of their allergen(s), which says to me that there's definitely something to it, but I've never had a client who weighed more than about 350 pounds. I do believe that over-eating and behavior issues do contribute and that the people are partially to blame for their size.
At my largest, I was 235, which would not be considered severely obese for my height and build at 5'7" and large-boned. But when those 60 pounds melted off without me doing anything but avoiding my food allergen, especially after I had put so much effort into exercising and eating right for so long without loosing any weight, it was a real eye-opener into just how much of an issue allergies could be. I'm now below-ideal weight at 105 pounds. I literally lost more than I now weigh, and I didn't exercise at all while it was coming off.
At my largest, I was 235, which would not be considered severely obese for my height and build at 5'7" and large-boned. But when those 60 pounds melted off without me doing anything but avoiding my food allergen, especially after I had put so much effort into exercising and eating right for so long without loosing any weight, it was a real eye-opener into just how much of an issue allergies could be. I'm now below-ideal weight at 105 pounds. I literally lost more than I now weigh, and I didn't exercise at all while it was coming off.
Cascade Failure
Senior Member
I'm not going to comment of some of the food allegy/obesity/diet/responsibility/ect... stuff that has been mentioned in this thread.
But, moving a 750lb+ person... that I do have some experience with. The only "special" equipment needed is two bed sheets and some strong backs.
Dignity can always be preserved. (Except when her head is stuck between the wall and her bed. We did our best though.)
But, moving a 750lb+ person... that I do have some experience with. The only "special" equipment needed is two bed sheets and some strong backs.
Dignity can always be preserved. (Except when her head is stuck between the wall and her bed. We did our best though.)
Ravekid
Veteran Member
I can understand _some_ eating like mad during and shortly after the pregnancy. However, it is my opinion that pure desire for the "extras" usually is just stronger than "Just say no" after a while. Then you throw on any sort of stress, and I think most women just give in.
I know I will get flamed by some, but to me, this is a national crisis. The one guy I worked with, near 400 pounds, started having knee issues in his 40s. My mother, who was never as big as him, just now started having issues on one knee and she is early 60s. The thing is, my mom was thin until she was in her early 30s and started having kids throughout her 30s. She is part of the "can't say no/put it down" group. With her weight and age, I do worry. A former co-worker had a larger mom, and she collapsed over and died right in front of him. Heart attack. He tried CPR, but it was for nothing. She was only in her 50s if I recall. I know another guy who was in sales, is pretty heavy, and ended up having a heart attack IN HIS 20s. Obesity is a serious, serious thing, and too many people want to make excuses or look the other way because considering the shear numbers, we are all friends with big/large people, so it is hard to say/think bad about such good people.
How many of those people are changing their tune about government welfare for _them_? Are more and more of them demanding government "DO SOMETHING!" because they couldn't control their eating habits, that they are unable to work and now have medical bills? This isn't just a health issue for _them_, it ends up affecting _all_ of us in this country. So now we have people like you, who end up in a fuss, because some of us dare to question why and give criticism. I used to be addicted to soft drinks, then finally I noticed I was growing a spare tire. I made the decision, right then, that water would be my choice drink, followed by orange juice and vegetable/fruit juice. How hard it is to not buy a Coke or Pepsi? I have literally saved thousands by not buying sugar water. We had a similar discussion on a blog one time. I commented about my friends who are heavy yet won't cut out anything and even have "sugar waters" when we go out to eat. That one comment, 100% valid, got me flamed by the Fat is OK types. Like you said, these people are dying. They are ill. This could end up meaning no work, no medical insurance. It then ends up meaning the rest of us have to foot the bill. I don't know of anyone personally who is large because of a medical condition, it is _all_ consuming too much food, too much snacking between meals.
It wasn't a trailer, it was an apartment complex. You see, if you have a home and/or money, they would have cut the damn wall and you would pay to have it fixed. Well, the problem with almost all Section 8 complexes and residents is that had they cut this wall, the owners would have had to fix it. They likely demanded they use the sliding door area and they ended up cutting a fence. The coroner's office had the ability to move people this big before. This is Indiana, we have a huge obesity problem, I promise you that _someone_ had _something_ in the metro area that could have done the job. A former employee of the office (maybe one who sued and won) is claiming they had a vehicle that could have held this person...at least when he worked there. Given how the place has been ran, they likely cut it, sold it, or gave it to a political hack as a take home vehicle (and that person wasn't available). The coroner's office tried to share the blame with the cops, so I do wonder if some cop suggested this, knowing damn well it would blow up. I mean seriously, a freaking flat bed? In a city with thousands of box trucks?
I consider 235 and 5'7" obese. I am 5'9" and only 170 and even I have the small beginnings of a spare tire. If I threw on another 65 pounds, I would look and be fat. Maybe not obese, not sure, but it wouldn't be good at all. While folks can claim health issues all they want, the problem is food intake. They can fight and deny this all they want, but that is what is causing 95% of our obesity problem. The other are those people who are sick and on very specific drugs. If folks are taking meds or have gland or thyroid issues, my guess is that over-eating is still causing the weight. The real question that we should look at is _why_ people are shoveling down food on a constant basis? I think there are numerous reasons for this: Stress, body health, the inability to "Just say no", and a combination of these things. Too many people want to say "Yes, it is the body, mind, whatever" and let that be the excuse. It isn't good enough, it isn't working. We are going to be facing a massive crisis in the next 10 years and when this current crop of 10-25 year olds who are overweight start needing knee replacements, heart fixes, etc. things will be really bad then.
