USA Obese Woman Dragged From Home, Hauled Away After Death (As Family Watched)

[KerryAnn]

I'm only allergic to dumb people and assholes.

[[Not pointing at you or anyone here-allergies in-general are alien to me, i do not even react ot Poison Ivy]]

My point was that a limited income does not make a person turn to high-carb foods. Everything is a choice.

I wish I had the same problem! One exposure to a trace of wheat can threaten my life, land me in the hospital and take 6 weeks before I can stand up-right again. I'd gladly swap with you.

I definitely get the point about high-carb foods, and I agree. Most people who claim that they have no choice actually are just deciding not to make the better choice because they don't want to exert the effort involved, and usually at their own expense.

 

[Xarbg]

Poor planning by the coroner's office and the cops. For about 5 years we regularly (twice a week on average) moved a women that was a hundred pounds heavier than this women. We had a simple sling made of a heavy conveyor belt material made for us and had hole's cut in it. It took responding a engine, truck,and heavy rescue company to move her. 12 fire fighers. This size person will fit in a normal ambulance. We would remove the cot and were able to slide the sling in and out with out too much trouble. All people of this size have medical problem's, and I'm sure she had been out of the house for medical need's in the past. Having worked in this field for some time, I've noticed that coroner's are not always the best and brightest. Think about it, who goes out for a job like that, or like here actually run and are elected to the position. As for the cops, hey I know good one's and bad one's, bad must have won out that day.

Bob

Oh and I'm a thread killer, so this should be the last post........

 

[Satanta]

Poor planning by the coroner's office and the cops. For about 5 years we regularly (twice a week on average) moved a women that was a hundred pounds heavier than this women. We had a simple sling made of a heavy conveyor belt material made for us and had hole's cut in it. It took responding a engine, truck,and heavy rescue company to move her. 12 fire fighers. This size person will fit in a normal ambulance. We would remove the cot and were able to slide the sling in and out with out too much trouble. All people of this size have medical problem's, and I'm sure she had been out of the house for medical need's in the past. Having worked in this field for some time, I've noticed that coroner's are not always the best and brightest. Think about it, who goes out for a job like that, or like here actually run and are elected to the position. As for the cops, hey I know good one's and bad one's, bad must have won out that day.

Bob




Oh and I'm a thread killer, so this should be the last post........

Well, if they had to deal with thos wpman twice a week for five years I am sure they would have been more prepared. Obviously they didn't so were not. As to her having left the house? Not neccesarilly-there is a story on TB from last year where some woman had sat on the toilet and gotten so obese that her butt had grown into the seat.

ETA: Also note, posted earlier is someone else that worked as an EMT and in the place they worked corpse were not allowed into an ambulance.

So the fact that your people moved a living person in such a manner has little bearing.

And if you want to actually BE a thread killer around here pay more attention tothose with experience.

 

[Ravekid]

Here are some blog postings of the incident:

http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2009/05/marion-county-coroners-office-back-in.html

and

http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2009/05/coroner-concedes-office-could-have.html

Also, our local Fox station had video:

http://www.fox59.com/

Folks, this is what happens when urban areas, with high black population, finally turns Democrat. You see, here in Indy, there are two parts of the Democrat party, the elite whites and the blacks who are propped up by the poor inner city black population. We elect our coroners here in Indiana, and they don't have to have an education for the most part. Well, Indianapolis has pretty went socialists, I mean Democrat about 10 years ago. Yea, we have a Republican mayor and council now, only because the Democrats destroyed the city. Well, when they were in charge, the black part of the Dem party started to "grab" (for lack of a better word) certain elected positions. This basically means that this base of the party made it an understanding that _only_ black candidates would be elected and slated for these positions. Well, the guy who used to run the office was a chiropractor. He pretty much fired all the white people, rumors of bodies being left outside were numerous, people couldn't get death certificates in a timely manner, etc.. A lawsuit was filed, and a federal judge found in favor of some white people as it was clear they were discriminated against. So our state passed a law saying the coroners had to pass a test. The Marion Co./Indy coroner didn't pass. He finally quit, and of course the black base of the Dem party was rumored to have pushed hard for the successor, another black person. This is what you get when people are voting on skin color and not substance. It is what happens when a political party has to bow down to a large subset, because they bring a lot of votes. The new guy is likely 1000x better than the old guy, but at the slating, there was one guy (who might have been an MD if I recall) who was really the best candidate. His only problem, he was white and the blacks in the party have "claimed" this position as one of theirs.

Now we see what Democrats really think of humans. This is what awaits us with their national health care. They will load the corpses on flat beds and likely bypass the funeral home, heading directly to the city dump.

 

[Ravekid]

Good God, WHAT kind of people could possibly think that was okay???

Democrats. That is who has been running, and ruining, the Indy/Marion Co. coroner's office for the last four plus years.

 

[annieosage]

I have lost a lot of respect for some of my fellow TB2Kers on this thread. This woman was a wife (OK girlfriend) and a Mommy. Regardless of all the facts this could have been handled in a much better way.

I guess in today's world it is PC to still target and ridicule fat people. This makes me sick as I watch both of my girls struggle with this shit because they are not anorexic sticks. The oldest one is 22 and gorgeous and not fat at all but by today's standards apparently she is. The other is 8 and beautiful and about the size of a 4th grader- in height and weight. Because she is not some tiny young thing she gets called fat by some of her school mates.

I am disgusted. But not surprised as I seem to see the same people drag their crap into threads about people of different colors, lifestyles, etc.

I may not like who you are, how you live, what color you are, what religion you are, but I treat everyone with respect until they give me a reason not to. But then again I think we are all God's children. Some of you don't.

 

[BigBadBossyDog]

Apart from the fact that the woman, her son and family were all treated horribly, I'm simply appalled at the lack of respect and simple empathy for another human being that some have shown on this thread.

No one is asking you to so much as send a sympathy card to her son; but it wouldn't cost you a penny to show some kindness.

Do you have new information about this incident? I don't see anything that indicates the family, son, anybody was treated horribly.

 

[Ravekid]

It has nothing to do with respect.

Obviously, these people are living in serious denial. And I don't believe a single word they say about the carpet being dirty, yada yada. They want attention, imo. They appear to be chronic whiners.

As huge as she was, surely she knew her health wasn't all that good. She should have prearranged and paid for her funeral, from the pickup of the body to the interment.

You are wrong. This complex is a Section 8 cesspool. Watch the video at the Fox 50 website. With what this coroner's office has done in the past, I wouldn't put it past them. With the condition of these apartments, that rug likely was _very_ nasty, and knowing the area, there likely wasn't a clean run that big within a one mile radius. Watch the video, the lady talks about how they threw the rug and all this dust came flying out.

As far as paying to have this done, I doubt these services take the Electronic Benefit Transfer card (ie: Welfare/food stamp debit card). This is an extremely poor area and these people didn't have a dime to their name. If the city/county didn't remove the body, trust me, no one would have. It would have sat in that apartment, rotting away.

While some places do have the equipment to handle the grossly obese, not all do.

The Indy area has a metro population of over 1,000,000 people. The entire state has around 6.3 million. We have these available. Even if they are not in state, we are 1.5 hours from Cincinnati/Louisville, 3-4 hours from St. Louis/Chicago/Detroit/Columbus. Even if we couldn't find an ambulance, a flat bed was the _worst_ thing to use. How about trying to find a plain white box truck? Even a Ryder truck or U-Haul that could have been "enclosed" after the body was put in?

My personal opinion is that we should prepare for more. I don't believe the non-sense about thyroid issues, etc.. Unless you are around a person 24/7, then you have no idea what they are eating. Plenty of obese people with a "gland problem" have their stash of sugar, sometimes it is hidden.

 

[annieosage]

I don't believe the non-sense about thyroid issues, etc.. Unless you are around a person 24/7, then you have no idea what they are eating. Plenty of obese people with a "gland problem" have their stash of sugar, sometimes it is hidden.

I'm not totally blameless where my weight is concerned however- your thyroid can create all kinds of health issues if you do not keep it under control. A couple years ago I was under a tremendous amount of work and personal stress. I had run out of my thyroid meds and thought I would just start them up again when I had a chance to get a refill. I take .4 synthroid daily which is a huge dose. They don't even make a pill that high I have to take 2- .2 pills.

3 or 4 months later, I had gained 20 pounds, my hair was falling out, my nails were breaking off, I was going mental as my husband put it, I could not sleep, I was always cold, I had developed a heart murmur, always exhausted, my face had a swollen appearance, etc. the list could go on. My TSH level was 124!!! Normal is about 4-6 (or there abouts). I was literally one step into the grave.

So no not everyone who says they have a gland problem is really telling the truth, but your thyroid if not working properly can create a myriad of health problems including severe weight gain and obesity.

 

[BigBadBossyDog]

You are wrong. This complex is a Section 8 cesspool. Watch the video at the Fox 50 website. With what this coroner's office has done in the past, I wouldn't put it past them. With the condition of these apartments, that rug likely was _very_ nasty, and knowing the area, there likely wasn't a clean run that big within a one mile radius. Watch the video, the lady talks about how they threw the rug and all this dust came flying out.

As far as paying to have this done, I doubt these services take the Electronic Benefit Transfer card (ie: Welfare/food stamp debit card). This is an extremely poor area and these people didn't have a dime to their name. If the city/county didn't remove the body, trust me, no one would have. It would have sat in that apartment, rotting away.

What? I'm wrong about not believing the carpet was as described? Well, maybe those in that Section 8 Cesspool should clean their carpets more often. Problem solved.

What on earth are you talking about? EMS now has to carry around clean carpet for people who live in pig stys?

 

[Ender]

I have lost a lot of respect for some of my fellow TB2Kers on this thread. This woman was a wife (OK girlfriend) and a Mommy. Regardless of all the facts this could have been handled in a much better way.

I guess in today's world it is PC to still target and ridicule fat people. This makes me sick as I watch both of my girls struggle with this shit because they are not anorexic sticks. The oldest one is 22 and gorgeous and not fat at all but by today's standards apparently she is. The other is 8 and beautiful and about the size of a 4th grader- in height and weight. Because she is not some tiny young thing she gets called fat by some of her school mates.

I am disgusted. But not surprised as I seem to see the same people drag their crap into threads about people of different colors, lifestyles, etc.

I may not like who you are, how you live, what color you are, what religion you are, but I treat everyone with respect until they give me a reason not to. But then again I think we are all God's children. Some of you don't.

Don't worry annie, Marilyn Monroe would be considered fat by today's standards, but most men still thinks she's hot.

People believe pop health with the same fervent addiction that they believe pop history or politics.

My aunt is a health nut and could not figure out why she was gaining weight - she walks 3-4 miles a day, eats only natural foods, etc.- until she found she had a wheat intolerance. Stopped wheat and lost an immediate 30 lbs.

I'll bet all the bad-talking people on this thread would not measure up to perfection in real life either.

 

[Ravekid]

What? I'm wrong about not believing the carpet was as described? Well, maybe those in that Section 8 Cesspool should clean their carpets more often. Problem solved.

What on earth are you talking about? EMS now has to carry around clean carpet for people who live in pig stys?

Yes, you are wrong in thinking they are lying about the rug. I would be willing to bet a million dollars (if I had that kind of money) that rug was filthy....all because I know the area and I know that plenty of poor people live in absolute filth. As far as EMS carrying carpets, no, but they could at least carry tarps. Gezz, the "blankets" we carry in our police vehicles are huge, but folded up via machine so they are very compact. I think they costs around $5.00 each, if that. There are plenty of news stories where bodies being taken out of cars are covered with these very large blankets. They either come from the cops, firefighters, and/or EMS. I just don't understand why they just _had_ to use a rug. The lady's descriptive comment to the news media was hilarious, even if the underlying act wasn't.

 

[BigBadBossyDog]

I think you miss the point. Can you imagine the outrage had they used a tarp? It would be the same. People would have been screaming bloody murder about it.

These people were looking for their 15 minutes of fame by getting on camera and making a bunch of noise. I don't believe a word any of them say.

That said, I haven't watched any videos of this incident.

 

[medic38572]

Wow, from a Medics point of veiw

After reading many of these threads I find it hard to believe we are all on the same loving, caring tb2k team.

1. First I find several posts disrespectful. Truly some people cant help the fact that they are extremely heavy. I know this I have seen entire families in the 400+ range with no health problems that eat better then I do. Some things are just that.

2. There have been several cases of extremely large people who had to be removed from their homes by cutting doors and walls to get the pt out using tarps. And the assistence of up to 12 men medics and firefighters. If anyone thinks its easy come on put a couple shifts in. Cant gaurantee you will get to see one of these heavy weights. But I can take you out into the country and show you some cows.

3. Placing a dead person into the back of a pickup truck has happened before in the south. Most van ambulances will not accomadate a pt this large. Its not that its not wide enough but the stretcher secures to the left side brackets in a van ambulance. When a person of this size is placed on a stretcher thats rated for only 550 or 650 lbs which is way above the high normal weight for most people, The stretcher is only so wide what happens when you place a pt of this size on a stretcher the body rolls (flab)from the extreme weight of the pt rolls to both side. I have had people pin my legs with the extreme rolls.

4. I dont know what the coronor was thinking. I have yet to see a stretcher that could accomadate a 1000lb pt. They may be out there but I personally have never seen it.

5. One thing that wasn't stated was wether the pt was in an upstairs apartment. Many places up north have high rise type apartments some apartments I have carried people out of buildings that only had 3 stories no elevator. It can be a SOB with even a normal pt and extra help on scene.

6. I agree that someone should have taken care of the son and removed him from seeing this specticle. And treated the scene with more respect. But if your trying to move 750lbs of dead weight sometimes you just dont think of things like this your just trying to get it done before someone ends up disabled.

7. I just cant believe they put the pt on a flat bed and transported her. How many PD, Fire Depts and EMS's have been given the fema grants and have bought the enclosed trailers? Just a suggestion for next time.

8. In all, this was a bad situation for all the pt, the family, the nieghbors and the responders. Could some things have been changed yes. Next time I am sure they will be.

9. Some of the attitudes really hit me hard here. I find it saddening that some cannot face reality but yet some with their disrespect for LIFE and DEATH.

 

[Loon]

I don't think there is a for sure known reason why we are growing super sized humans in this century. I may be wrong but you wouldn't see someone grow to 750 pounds in the 1800's. Something about our diets has changed dramatically in the last 50 years or so. Even in the 1950's you wouldn't see someone this size I don't think. So what has changed? Why are people getting larger? Back when I was young a normal shoe size was about a 6 or 7 for a woman. Many times women wore a 5. Now many kids have size 8 and up at a young age. You never saw super obese toddlers and babies either. I don't think it's all about eating junk food either. We had our fair share of twinkies and ding dongs and chips back in the 50's but we didn't get super sized.

It has been theorized it has to do with putting corn syrup in everything. I just don't know. I hope they can find out what it is that is causing this and stop it. I recall last summer sitting in a restaurant with a young thin couple with two young kids. One was a toddler and the other an infant. The toddler was fat and the baby was fat. That baby would literally scream till it's momma shoved another bite into it's mouth. She was feeding it baby food. He acted like he was starving to death. He'd gulp a bite then scream. It was weird. Something seemed to be driving it's immense hunger. I've thought it might be something genetic. I just don't know.

The fact is with our ever growing girth the companies dealing with people in these situations are going to have to provide equipment to accomdate larger people. Hospitals are now carrying bariatric sized beds and wheelchairs. Funeral homes are ordering super sized caskets. Furniture makers and making larger chairs etc. It's a whole new industry. The nursing homes now have what I call "people movers". They put a strap around the patient and push a button and a machine lifts them up and moves them. Much easier on the caretaker's backs.

I wonder if the genetically altered seeds and foods are causing some of this? Perhaps some people's systems are more sensitive to it than others?

It is sad. I feel bad for the workers and for the family.

 

[Utopianwar]

How else are you going to handle some one that fat.The only other piece of equipment that could handle her would have been a front end loader.

Granted there wasn't a lot that could be done, but it is disrespectful to make such a comment.

 

[Utopianwar]

The woman was the size of a cow and obviously nobody planned for moving her to the coroner's office upon death.

Zero sympathy from me on this one, sorry. Poor planning on her part doesn't constitute an emergency on anyone else's. If you're sickeningly or shockingly obese you should have enough of a clue to be aware that it'll take more than just a hearse to haul your fat ass to the morgue. I mean, come on, seriously.

And before anyone jumps in my crap, think about this: she was dead. She didn't care one way or another how she gets to wherever she's laid to rest. Everything outside that is someone else's problem, not hers. Her problems are over.



I swear, people are far too willing to freak out far too hard over far too pointless and insignificant things...

There is a point there, about her being dead she is not gonna care. However, assuming it was bad habbits, or that she knew to make a plan and didn't doesnt make it ok to treat her like nothing more than trash. What did she do to deserve that? Yeah a plan would have been great, but still, peole having an attatude because she was fat just shows who they really are inside. I see people standing up for evil folk, then I see people trashing innocence. I just don't get it. I am dumbfounded at the double talk, and lack of respect.

 

[Utopianwar]

Ender,

If one does NOT put the calories into the stomach, one cannot gain the weight, as far as I know -- hormonal problems, or not -- how can one become obese and STAY obese without the corresponding amount of calories?


intothegoodnight

Ever heard of Fibromyalgia? Though it doesn't effect fat, it makes the muscles swell. Also some people have a bad metabolism, they can eat less then a skinny person and still gain weight. I know because I have family like this.

 

[Milk-maid]

.....This story made me think of "What's Eating Gilbert Grape".

I can't remember, but didn't they wait till nightime to move the mother's body in that movie?

 

[Loon]

I can't remember, but didn't they wait till nightime to move the mother's body in that movie?

No, the kids set the house on fire and let her body burn in the house.

 

[Ender]

Originally Posted by intothatgoodnight View Post
Ender,

If one does NOT put the calories into the stomach, one cannot gain the weight, as far as I know -- hormonal problems, or not -- how can one become obese and STAY obese without the corresponding amount of calories?


intothegoodnight

Utopianwar: Ever heard of Fibromyalgia? Though it doesn't effect fat, it makes the muscles swell. Also some people have a bad metabolism, they can eat less then a skinny person and still gain weight. I know because I have family like this.

Also, certain body types GAIN weight when going w/o food as the body protects itself and goes into starvation protection mode.

 

[dragonslayer2001]

Many

of you are living in a dream world. Remember the old adage "you have to earn respect"...?


I don't know this woman or anything about her life, so I will just have to suppose some things. YES, there ARE other factors at work making people "super sized" as Annie put it.

There are also big fat pigs who don't do a thing to improve thier lives or disposition, they refuse to exercise and continue to eat JUNK and man made stuff that does not qualify as FOOD, and ignore all entreaties to take care of themselves.

MOST of the unhealthy people I've known through-out my life treated their bodies like old junk cars that they NEVER tuned up, NEVER changed the oil, NEVER changed the filters - though many WASHED and WAXED the vehicle (their body) so it would look nice on the outside.

Then their health starts to deteriorate, and they go to the doc's and start on the never ending list of drugs and pharma's.

Then they complain about their poor health, and the poor health care system, and all the old ladies and old men tsk tsk - but how many of them will clean up and clean out, fast, cleanse, exercise dilgently?

Hey, the 'system' or the 'government' or the 'health system' had a pill for this and a plan for that, WHY bother taking serious care of a body that they planned on using for another 30-50 years?

And who the hell cares how much it costs? Well, EVERYONE is going to care now that the 'system' has fallen and ugly reality is stepping in.

Yes, SOME people can't help it and nothing they do can fix it. The MAJORITY have let their bodies go to hell.


Ravekid seems to know the neighborhood. Sounds like Ghetto trash from his description. Go ahead, have all the sympathy in the world for her if you want. If Ravekid is correct, the odds are that woman would laugh her head off if she saw you get stomped to death in her 'hood' for being too white or too 'rich' or too 'stupid' for coming into her turf........... cause that is how they think. If it is a 'hood' they sure as hell don't have respect for you or anything about you or your life or your family.


Americans have had it very very easy all things considered the last few decades. All that is coming to a brutal halt. If you get THIS upset over a few of US not swooning with the milk of human kindness and our hearts not defibulating with sympathetic (and in some cases, I am sure, synthetic) grief............. you are not going to have a good time of it in the next few years.


All these 'perks' like spending tax money to rush out and save moose stuck in the ice, carving out houses and removing cement patios and cutting trees to remove grossly obese people from houses, feeding, clothing and giving free health care to tens of millions of Mexicans................

this has only occured and only could occur because the insane and totally unrealistic people running this country have completely BANKRUPTED THIS COUNTRY -

all that is over now. All these 'perks' that many of you take for granted will be coming to an abrupt halt.

Nature is violent, nasty and cruel. It eat's humans. It really is survival of the fittest, not survival of the fattest. I have a lot of sympathy for a great many things, issues, people, especially the young and innocent, dogs, horses, chipmunks, etc.,

But nothing nor nobody has my 'respect' just because it exists.

 

[Ender]

So-

How healthy are YOU, ds?

Are YOU at the top of your game?

 

[dragonslayer2001]

No

Ender, I am not at the moment. But I have made a lot of sacrifices in my life and worked very hard to be as well off as I am. I can spend 12 hours on my feet steady without needing to sit down, and stay active during that time. And do that day after day.

I am almost always guessed at least 10 years younger than my chronological age but most often 14-20 years younger, and often by middle aged women who should know better, lol. Oh, and by health professionals too.

It isn't only 'genes' either. It takes work.


I've also had several.......... severe set backs........ in the last 6 years or so that has called for a great deal of effort to overcome. One thing I have refused to do is go on 'drugs'. I think most drugs destroy the body's ability to control and keep control of itself.


And I am back exercising - yet AGAIN. It just don't stop if you do want to try to get 'back on top of your game'.

 

[Hansa44]

Just remember....when we are pointing a finger at someone, there are 3 of our fingers pointing back at ourselves.

I personally cannot imagine how some people live. And no, they don't know about nutrition and what helps keep a body healthy.

What they do know is that they are mostly miserable and unhappy. Many live on welfare and food stamps. There one joy in life is satisfying the tastebuds with good tasting food. The more the better. Look in the shopping carts of those on food stamps. It's mostly sugar and starch.

I refuse to blaim anyone for something they do that I have not experienced by having to walk a mile in their shoes....and I than God literally for this.

 

[penumbra]

I think you miss the point. Can you imagine the outrage had they used a tarp? It would be the same. People would have been screaming bloody murder about it.

These people were looking for their 15 minutes of fame by getting on camera and making a bunch of noise. I don't believe a word any of them say.

That said, I haven't watched any videos of this incident.

I don't know why I am bothering to respond to this, but here goes...

So you haven't watched, but you are absolutely convinced that they are attention whores looking for their 15 minutes of fame?!?!?!? I am so glad that you live far, far away from me, may we never cross paths.

 

[Milk-maid]

My sister-in-law is an intelligent woman but can't cook to save her life. Not only is she a nervous cook, but has to read the recipe over and over again as she does it. Still it is a mediocre meal when she is through.

As a result she buys everything that can be microwaved (UGh!) and they eat out all the time. She grabs fast food for the kids and then when they are safely taken by the babysistter, hubby and her go out to dinner. At least they can afford to eat nice salads and good food, but imagine if they couldn't. I worry for the kids since they are being raised on fast food and microwaved meals. I cringe everytime I see her do this. As it is, the kids seem to have colds all the time.

MM

 

[BigBadBossyDog]

I don't know why I am bothering to respond to this, but here goes...

So you haven't watched, but you are absolutely convinced that they are attention whores looking for their 15 minutes of fame?!?!?!? I am so glad that you live far, far away from me, may we never cross paths.

And I'm glad too. I don't deal well with gross obesity.

Why should I watch a video? The words and quotes are right here. Or is the story false?

 

[penumbra]

I'll try to say it slowly so that you can understand.

You are making assumptions about someone based on absolutely nothing. You don't know these people, nor have you watched the video, and yet in a tragic moment of their lives, you have decided that they are attention-whores. Did I miss anything?

 

[CelticRose]

Also, certain body types GAIN weight when going w/o food as the body protects itself and goes into starvation protection mode.

OK..... Could you give me a site that provide actual proof that a person is DOES NOT EAT ANYTHING can actually GAIN WEIGHT?

Yes, extreme yo-yo dieting can lead some to change their metabolism to the point that it begins to slow down and 'horde' calories when a 'set point' is met. So while many can lose weight on perhaps 800 to 1,000 calories a day for a period, in conjunction with physical activity, some might not lose as fast as their body may read the lowered caloric intake as a sign of famine. And until their body resets, usually by increasing physical activity, no weight is lost.

But to say that a person not eating at all, that is fasting, gains weight? That's a new one on me.

Perhaps excess weight and obesity has nothing to due with caloric intake, carbs / sugars / fats / protein / wheat / corn syrup / allergies / metabolic issues/ hormonal changes / etc, etc .... The very overweight and grossly obese are actually NOT EATING. Which by your statement would explain their incredible weight gain.........

Sorry if my not trying to rule out every possible reason / excuse / likely cause for morbid obesity means that I'm a cruel person. As I've said before, there are some legitimate causes for extreme weight gain. Thyroid or Cushings or other actual medical conditions can and do cause a person to gain weight very easily and require that the individual treat the condition AND watch their diet AND exercise.

Bottom line, having to haul out a person, dead or alive, who weighs several hundreds pounds more that the average person, requires special equipment. Rather than expect everyone else and society to be overly sensitive and accommodating to their delicate feelings; perhaps the grossly obese person should try to understand that they are "different" and should decide if their 'different-ness' is something they can chnage. I.E. realize that their 'different-ness' is going to severely affect every aspect of their life; health, relationships, ability to work, what they can do for work. And if they then decide that they can accept themselves as they as, then maybe they need to learn to accept others as they are; even if it means that accepting that judging is a part of living and not always pretty, fair or accommodating to those with hyper-sensitive feelings.

 

[Ender]

OK..... Could you give me a site that provide actual proof that a person is DOES NOT EAT ANYTHING can actually GAIN WEIGHT?

The ancient O Blood Type comes from a hunter/gather background. This blood type stores fat for energy for the "chase". Nowadays there isn't a "chase" so sometimes an O must be extremely active and eat really healthy to maintain proper weight.

I have had family members who went on juice fasts for weeks and stored weight as the body was protecting itself.

 

[Milk-maid]

If you ever get a chance to view the shows on Cable TV, (on the health channels I think), they show many, many stories of grossely obese people who are bedridden. I watch to see how much they eat and without fail each one who can no longer walk to the kitchen to make food for themselves, is being fed by a friend or family member who I think of as their Enabler.

Without these people, they would be thinnner. I have no idea how someone bedridden can get people to do their bidding, but they do. The show usually outlines the person's diet habits and they are being provided with enough food during the course of one day to feed 3-4 adult people. Burgers, fries and whole boxes of chicken, a dozen eggs for breakfast and lots of it turns out to be fast food. I notice that almost all of these people drink several liters of diet soda, never water.

I can't imagine how people got themselves into this predicament till I finally saw a show about an obese child. (about age 5) The mother claimed he was gaining weight for no reason at all and social services intervened. As soon as someone else started feeding the child, like in a hospital setting, the child began to lose weight. One camera followed the mother around to prove that her young child ate no more than the average person, but what it did was show that she overfed him (probably from birth.) He ate what a 200 pound man would eat.

When I used to work at a health spa I put obese people on diets and exercise programs. Most claimed it was their metabolism, but when I asked them to keep a diary of what they ate..their diaries were blank after supper and that is when overweight people really gorge on food. So they lie to themselves.

MM

 

[dragonslayer2001]

Look

at any military prison camp at any period of history, when calories were severely restricted, and EVERY prisoner lost weight, regardless of blood types, genetic disposition, etc.,


Andersonville
Japanese war camps
Nazi Death Camps
Allied prisoner of war camps for interned Germans post WWII


I know exactly how hard it is to lose weight, EVEN when you are exercising HARD 8-15 hours a week and working full time..........

But sorry, if calories are restricted enough, and you are exercising, you are going to lose wieght except for very rare circumstances.......

And it takes EXTRODINARY effort to gain and keep 750 pounds. I don't personally know ANYONE who managed to acheive that.

 

[Milk-maid]

Women who've had a hysterectomy gain weight on the whole. Even dogs who are spayed gain weight eating the same amount of food.

I gained weight after my hysterectomy surgery and after getting Fibromyalgia, but stopped gaining as soon as I could get my metabolism and hormones under control. Now I can eat what any normal person eats and not gain weight, in fact I've lost some.

There are a lot of exceptions.

MM

 

[CelticRose]

The ancient O Blood Type comes from a hunter/gather background. This blood type stores fat for energy for the "chase". Nowadays there isn't a "chase" so sometimes an O must be extremely active and eat really healthy to maintain proper weight.

I have had family members who went on juice fasts for weeks and stored weight as the body was protecting itself.

You believe in the 'blood type diet', that's fine; however it fails to back up your claim that a person can gain weight without eating.

A juice fast is consuming calories. While the caloric intake can be lower on a 'juice fast'; calories are being consumed even if they are in the form of liquified fruits and or vegetables.

DS makes the best case that would seem to solidly disprove your assertion that a person can gain weight without eating. I've never seen any survivors of concentration camps. POW's or people who have managed to survive periods of extreme malnutrition from famines or political starvation, who did not experience extreme weight loss.

When a body does not get sufficient calories and equally important, the right mix of proteins carbs and fats, the body shows it. When a body does not have sufficient food to maintain itself, it will first seek its needs from stored fat, when that's depleted, the body begins to seek its needs from muscle tissue. During prolonged periods of malnutrition / starvation, all the major organs are affected, as are the bones and even mental function.

When children are deprived of sufficient, balanced nutrition from birth, their growth and development on all levels is affected; sometimes to the point of it being irreversible.

 

[penumbra]

I am an O.
I've never had a weight problem, but I get what you are saying Ender.
I can eat almost nothing and stay the same size, or I can eat more than a man twice my size and stay the same size. I eat when I'm hungry, some days I'm not hungry at all, other days I eat lots. I've often thought that I would be perfect for the show "Survivor", because I would probably only lose a few pounds over a six week period, and therefore kick those emaciated people's rear ends once into the later stages of the game.

Sorry for the thread drift...

 

[Ender]

DS makes the best case that would seem to solidly disprove your assertion that a person can gain weight without eating. I've never seen any survivors of concentration camps. POW's or people who have managed to survive periods of extreme malnutrition from famines or political starvation, who did not experience extreme weight loss.

You can believe what you want.

I am also not talking about years w/o food - I can only tell you my experience- and I don't believe the calorie intake stuff- It's what kind of calories that matter.

I can eat 4000 calories of red meat and lose weight or 500 calories of grains and gain weight.

My point in even stating this is that metabolisms/bodies are different and what may affect YOU a certain way could have the opposite effect on someone else.

I am an O.
I've never had a weight problem, but I get what you are saying Ender.
I can eat almost nothing and stay the same size, or I can eat more than a man twice my size and stay the same size. I eat when I'm hungry, some days I'm not hungry at all, other days I eat lots. I've often thought that I would be perfect for the show "Survivor", because I would probably only lose a few pounds over a six week period, and therefore kick those emaciated people's rear ends once into the later stages of the game.

I can relate- that is pretty much how my metabolism operates, penumbra.

 

[Micah68]

Poor planning by the coroner's office and the cops. For about 5 years we regularly (twice a week on average) moved a women that was a hundred pounds heavier than this women. We had a simple sling made of a heavy conveyor belt material made for us and had hole's cut in it. It took responding a engine, truck,and heavy rescue company to move her. 12 fire fighers. This size person will fit in a normal ambulance. We would remove the cot and were able to slide the sling in and out with out too much trouble. All people of this size have medical problem's, and I'm sure she had been out of the house for medical need's in the past. Having worked in this field for some time, I've noticed that coroner's are not always the best and brightest. Think about it, who goes out for a job like that, or like here actually run and are elected to the position. As for the cops, hey I know good one's and bad one's, bad must have won out that day.

Bob

Oh and I'm a thread killer, so this should be the last post........

Why were you moving this woman twice a week and who paid for it???

 

[KerryAnn]

The book, Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes explains a lot of this phenomenon.

Personally, I put on 5 pounds in a week of fasting because I was drinking two glasses of milk a day- turns out, I was allergic to milk. I was only consuming water in addition to that.

 

[dragonslayer2001]

I

agree about the TYPEs of food a person eats or drinks has a lot to do with their weight and health. Ditto if a person is doing a lot of drugs. Legal or otherwise.

However, I don't believe ANY human can balloon to that enormous size without an extrodinary amount of eating.

I just went to Weight Watchers and got an 'average' weight for a woman 5'6", which is close to the 'average' height of women in N. America.

The 'average' weight is 130 lbs. So, this super sized human was close to SIX TIMES the ideal weight of an average woman of that height.



And I'd like to know somemore facts. Such as, does this woman work? Highly unlikely. When was the last time this woman worked. Has she ever worked? Does her 'boyfriend' work? Has he ever worked? What about the son?


A lot of you posters have gotten down on some of us more cynical or skeptical members. Well, let me draw you a little analogy:


Let's suppose you live on a farm and there are 32 of you living there. You have NO outside support systems. You live or die by what you produce and what you can grow and make on your own. Few of you are weathly, most are 'average' and work day and night, your entire lifetimes to make ends meet and to support your children, your loved ones, and the others in the community.

Now, you have a member who never works. This member has never worked. Her health is bad now, but once upon a time she had good health and could have worked but refused to. So you fed her, clothed her, built her house and took care of her, day after day, year after year. Although there was rarely enough food for everyone to eat all they wanted any time they wanted, and many made sacrifices for others and at times went without, this woman never did, until finally she grew to an enormous wieght, many times bigger than any other person on the farm.

She grew so enormous that she couldn't even stand up, and others had to bring her bedpans, and wipe her body down.

This went on for years and years and years.

How long would you tolerate this kind of person?