Obama's Birth Certificate

BL225128

Inactive
So, all of you are saying that you'd rather believe a lying nut than to see a Black Man in the Oval Office? Figures.

No, I'd rather believe the nut, and not trust the black man lyin' about his qualifications to be President.

Why doesn't your boy produce his official vault copy birth certificate??? Is to do that, "beneath his pay grade"?

Answer the question for once, Warandra.
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
The Washington Post Debunks Smears, Confirms Barack’s Citizenship

“The truth: Sen. Barack Obama, born in Hawaii, is a Christian family man with a track record of public service.”

Uh, huh.


:stfu:

See if you can drag some facts into the conversation instead of blather from one of the most liberal "news"papers on earth.
 

Hokey

Veteran Member
I'm getting tired of hearing this crap about Obama's citizenship! Either he is or he's not a citizen...he's gotta show the proper paperwork or be in official government or hospital records. I can't believe that Hawaii was that backward back then not to have a paper trail.

This is not rocket science folks. A good private investigator would be able to find out alot in a short amount of time. For one, if there's question about the authenticity of the existing paper document then you can check it against other birth certificates of the same age. You can't compare info on a certificate of a certain age against ones around today - different requirements for a different age.

That being said, do you honestly think it would be above the US secret service or alphabet agencies to insert a very good forgery into the records for the sake of American security? Obama's leading the polls quite handily now and will be the POTUS - there's too much momentum here and the PTB don't want to cause riots in the inner cities because their man Obama didn't qualify because of a 'technicality' in the constitution. And yes, I roll my eyes.

Hokey.
 

ShyGirl

Veteran Member
The issue with the birth certificate really goes much deeper than just following the law as stated in the Constitution. There was a good reason why our forefathers put that rule there. Where are obama's loyalties if he is "a citizen of the world". Why would you want to give one of the most important position in the US government to someone who doesn't even care about this country. To someone who's pastor said G damn America while he nodded in agreement! To someone who probably hates most of the people in this country because they are white. Obama hates America and everything it stands for. That is why he wants Change! He wants to change us to somethng more along the lines of Kenya where they kill off a bunch of people after elections because it didn't go as planned.
 

Ragenomore

Senior Member
Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: August 26, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Analysis
Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

* The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
* It isn't signed.
* No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
* In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
* The certificate number is blacked out.
* The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
* The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.


The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller


Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp


The raised seal


Blowup of text

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.


Blowup of certificate number

Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.

We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


Obama's birth announcement


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."

–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller
Sources
United States Department of State. "Application for a U.S. Passport." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

State of Hawaii Department of Health. "Request for Certified Copy of Birth Record." Accessed 20 Aug. 2008.

Hollyfield, Amy. "Obama's Birth Certificate: Final Chapter." Politifact.com. 27 Jun. 2008.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Go look at the proof you morons. 'nuff said.:sht:
 

Rex Jackson

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I can create that in an afternoon with photoshop and a piece of ebony wood for the stamp. All I need is an old birth certificate.

When you have 500,000,000 laying around, just imagine the possibilities.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
From one moron....

to a gullible "believer"......

We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

A Birth announcement was placed in the Honolulu newspaper to let neighbors, friends and relatives there, know that parents and grandparents now have a new baby in the family (somewhere). That baby could be born anywhere in the world, but the parents now live or once lived in Honulu where the paper was published. It did not say the baby was born there.

As a paid genealogist, I can say that this "proof" would not be accepted as a reliable indicator of a birth in Honolulu......just a notice saying that the parents lived there (or once lived there). I am sure you have seen obits in newspapers in several States where a deceased once lived, but he did not die in the place where the paper is published.....same deal here. Doesn't prove a thing.

All certified copies of a B/Cert have a raised seal - that makes them certified!!
But the info on the original is not always transferred to the copy - some certs do not require ALL the info on the modern ones. Is there something on the vault copy that is not on the certified one? How would we know?

If a parent makes a statement to the gov. about a birth (it is taken at face value if given by the parent who should know the details) and if the parent lied about the birthplace, then there is no way to prove it. Ann Dunham may have had a child in Kenya and gone to the USA asap and registered the child.

Is there a hospital mentioned on the vault cert? How would we know? If there was, then that should be proof, but if the parents said the child was born unattended at home, how would we know? Again, no vault certificate.

Then we come to the legal part of the citizenship laws which state that the timeframe (1961) falls in the years when a mother had to live in the USA for 5 years before the birth.....she did not do that, so Obama does not qualify.

My DH has 2 siblings who do not qualify for US citizenship because the rules were changed 3 years after DH was born, to disqualify his younger brother and sister......same parents, same birthplace, but different qualifying rules. The other 8 children do qualify for US citizenship......sounds silly, but thems the rules!

And as POTUS you would think Obama would want to follow the rules, not make up new ones for himself.
 
So, all of you are saying that you'd rather believe a lying nut than to see a Black Man in the Oval Office? Figures.

Race has nothing to do with my voting this election. I would have voted for Colin Powell in a heart beat because I know he would have put my country first when it comes to protecting her.
 

Tigerlily

Senior Member
Blah to me this whole birth certificate thing is mute. You have to realize that even IF and that's a big IF they find out he wasn't born in the US, they will just amend the constitution to allow non US born people to be presidents. Congress will approve it despite widespread whining just like the bailout bill. And the issue will be mute. If he has enough votes, he will be come president, end of story.

I even bet that the vast majority of people who want to vote for him today would still vote for him knowing he was not US born, and they'd pressure their representatives to change the amend the constitution and it would be done.

end of story.

Congress can't vote to change the constitution. It's not their job. If the constitution is to be changed, the amendment must be approved by 2/3rds of the states. And that takes years....
 

Witness

Deceased
I will wait for the judge to rule in the court case.

As of Today, Saturday October 25, 2008, he has not ruled.

NO ONE HAS ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF HIM TRAVELING ON AN INDONESIAN PASSPORT, OR ATTENDING AN INDONESIAN SCHOOL (WHICH ALLOWS ONLY INDONESIAN STUDENTS TO ATTEND). THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO THIS CASE.

I SUGGEST THOSE PEOPLE, WHO ARE SO EAGER TO JUMP ON THE "CASE CLOSED" BANDWAGON,DO THEIR HOMEWORK.
 

LONEWOLF

Deceased
Trying to close the case without providing a simple, very very standard official document isn't going to work. Dancing around the issue only amplifies Osama's problem. And it's a real one.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
Ragenomore......

it is sad that people can convince themselves of a "fact" when it hasn't been proven to be so.

As I pointed out above, a certified copy of a Cert. does not contain all the info on a Vault copy (the original). My husband was never registered at birth and was not even registered until he went to school at age 6. As he was born at home on the farm without a doctor or midwife and was a premie who was not expected to live, registering was the least of his parent's problems. So it was not done.

When he was registered, all it took was a statement from his Mother 6 years later - not even a witness was needed for a delayed certificate. Now he can get a certified copy of his birth, even though nobody but the mother witnessed it (legally). And it looks just like Obama's with just the basic info it contains.

How does Obama's certificate that he has provided, really prove he wasn't also born on a farm somewhere in the world and his mother later provided a statement that he was born in Honolulu? Doesn't prove a thing.......we need factual proof, and it is in the Vault in Honolulu if he was born there.

Why is the Vault copy not available?? If you were really after the truth, you would also ask that question......guess you aren't.
 

Ragenomore

Senior Member
Ah, wrong.
The certificate that I got from the state when I need to get my driver's permit is similar, along with the raised seal. None of the added info was there. That was on the birth certificate my parents received from the hospital.
Get a freaking grip.
 

sailor girl

Contributing Member
So, all of you are saying that you'd rather believe a lying nut than to see a Black Man in the Oval Office? Figures.


No, I want to see someone constitutionally qualified in the Oval Office. I don't care if he (or she) is purple, as long as they are qualified and voted in. I'll have to admit that Obama getting in would distress me because I disagree with pretty much every one of his policies, but if it were Colin Powell, I might even vote for him (I say might because I don't know his exact stand on a few very important things, and he's not running anyway).


ragenomore said:
The very simple fact is that it has been provided. It is sad how many people here are delusional.

Actually, Obama's birth certificate hasn't been provided to the federal court in which the case was filed, which is (almost sorta) what the OP was about (the OP was about the website that the supposed certificate was posted on, and about the lawyer who filed the suit in the first place).
 

sailor girl

Contributing Member
Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: August 26, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Analysis
Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.

Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

* The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
* It isn't signed.
* No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.
* In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
* The certificate number is blacked out.
* The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
* The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.


The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller



Go look at the proof you morons. 'nuff said.:sht:


See, you have to believe that the good folks at factcheck.org aren't partisan to believe this. Obama was once on the board of the organization that runs/funds factcheck.org.
 

Ragenomore

Senior Member
See, you have to believe that the good folks at factcheck.org aren't partisan to believe this. Obama was once on the board of the organization that runs/funds factcheck.org.

Ok
How about the fact that NEO CON RAG WND accepts the birth certificate as fact?

Hey, I do learn something every day.
 
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Fulltimer

Membership Revoked
They want Obama to be President of the United States of America and they will get their way.

Of course They are the majority of the voting citizens of the United States of America.:)


don;)
 

Wardogs

Deceased
They want Obama to be President of the United States of America and they will get their way.

Of course They are the majority of the voting citizens of the United States of America.:)


don;)

Well, THEY also think American Idol and Maddonna's divorce are matters if great import....

Hardly a stellar recommendation.

Of course, it ain't over yet either.

Biden still has more than a week to "help" :lkick::lkick::lkick:
wardogs
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
So, all of you are saying that you'd rather believe a lying nut than to see a Black Man in the Oval Office? Figures.

I'm saying I'm prejudiced against white people. Barry Soetoro is half-white. Therefore, I will not vote for him.


























Well...I thought I could come up with something as irretrievably stupid as Warandra's comment as quoted above.

But I now see, however, that I was not successful.

Too bad.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
Ragenomore......you just proved my point silly boy/girl.

Your certified copy is an abridged copy of the Vault copy - your Vault copy should have the hospital you were born in, or the land description, maybe your religion, your parents names or their occupations, the doctor's name.....etc

Does your certified copy have all that???? Don't think so......

I deal with this kind of info all the time - obviously you don't.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
OPH - you said......

Well...I thought I could come up with something as irretrievably stupid as Warandra's comment as quoted above.

You gave it your best shot though - it would take some effort to beat her idea :p

There are a couple of people here who don't want to be confused by facts.
 

Oilpatch Hand

3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
OPH - you said......

Well...I thought I could come up with something as irretrievably stupid as Warandra's comment as quoted above.

You gave it your best shot though - it would take some effort to beat her idea :p

There are a couple of people here who don't want to be confused by facts.

Hey...I tried. :shr:

When yer beat, yer beat. :lol:
 

Martin

Deceased
Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit

Friday, October 24, 2008 4:16 PM

By: Kenneth R. Timmerman


A Pennsylvania lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama is not a “natural-born citizen” of the United States took an unusual twist this week, after a federally mandated deadline requiring Obama’s lawyers to produce a “vault” copy of his birth certificate expired with no response from Obama or his lawyers.


The lawsuit, filed by former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Philip J. Berg — a self-avowed supporter of Hillary Clinton — alleges that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and is thus “ineligible” to run for president of the United States. It demands that Obama’s lawyers produce a copy of his original birth certificate to prove that he is a natural-born U.S. citizen.


Berg's suit and allegations have set off a wave of Internet buzz and rumors, though Obama could easily have put the matter to rest by providing the federal court with the basic documentation proving he is eligible to take the oath of a president. But Obama has apparently decided to deny the court and the public that documentation.


The Constitution provides that any U.S. citizen is eligible to become president if the person is 35 years of age or older and is a natural-born citizen; that is, born in the territorial United States.


By failing to respond to the Request for Admissions and Request for the Production of Documents within 30 days, Obama has “admitted” that he was born in Kenya, Berg stated this week in new court filings.


Berg released a long list of “admissions” he submitted to Obama’s lawyers on Sept. 15, and asked that they produce documents relating to Obama’s place of birth and citizenship.


Instead of responding, lawyers for Obama and the DNC asked the court to dismiss the case. But Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania has issued no ruling in the case that would have given Obama’s lawyers more time.


“There are lots of legal ways to stonewall,” a well-placed Republican attorney told Newsmax, who was not authorized to comment officially on the case. “But failing to respond is not one of them.”


“The first thing they teach you in law school,” he added, “is don’t put a complaint like this in a drawer. That’s how a nuisance case can become a problem.”


The 30-day deadline for defendants to comply with a discovery request is set forth in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedures.

“It all comes down to the fact that there's nothing from the other side,” Berg said after he filed a motion on Thursday for summary judgment.


“The admissions are there. By not filing the answers or objections, the defense has admitted everything. [Obama] admits he was born in Kenya. He admits he was adopted in Indonesia. He admits that the documentation posted online is a phony. And he admits that he is constitutionally ineligible to serve as president of the United States.”


In a contentious case, lawyers on both sides will haggle over the production of documents, and will frequently go beyond the deadlines, several lawyers told Newsmax.


“The rules are more often complied with in the breech rather than the observance,” a senior trial attorney who has close ties to the Democrat Party, but is not involved in the current case, told Newsmax.


“Lawyers frequently do not return telephone calls or meet discovery deadlines because of sheer inadvertence. Therefore, we do not consider a failure to respond as a ‘violation,’” he said.


Allegations surrounding Obama’s place of birth have been swirling for months. Earlier this year, the Obama campaign sought to put down the rumors by making available a computer-generated Certification of Live Birth, issued in 2007 by the State of Hawaii. [See the Certification of Live Birth — Click Here.]


Respected conservative blogger Ed Morrissey called the Berg lawsuit a “conspiracy theory” that had been put to rest by the Obama campaign over the summer but ”has arisen like a zombie yet again to suck the credibility out of the conservative blogosphere.”


However, the 2007 document produced by the Obama campaign omits key information that normally appears on birth certificates in the United States, including the name of the hospital where he was born, the size and weight of the baby, and sometimes the name of the doctor who delivered him.


In addition, the critics of the 2007 document note that Obama's father is described as “African,” a term used today. The formal language in official documents at the time — 1961 — would have identified his race as “Negro” or “Colored.”


The Web site snarkybytes.com has produced a vault copy of a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth from 1963, issued by the Hawaii Department of Health. [See the vault copy — Click Here.]


In addition to naming the hospital and more details about the baby, the 1963 vault copy also includes the “usual residence of the mother,” and the “usual occupation” of the father. None of this information appears on the 2007 Live Birth certificate produced by the Obama campaign.


Berg has been a perennial political candidate in Pennsylvania, having run in Democrat primaries for attorney general, lieutenant governor, governor, and other offices without success. He served as deputy attorney general of the State of Pennsylvania from 1972-1980.


His credibility was tarnished by work he did for the far-left “9/11 for the Truth” campaign, which alleged in a federal lawsuit that the collapse of the twin towers in New York was caused by “controlled demolition” ordered by the president of the United States.


Nevertheless, in recent weeks, lawsuits have been filed in seven additional states demanding that Barack Obama produce an original vault copy of his birth certificate, to dispel the rumors that he is not a natural-born United States citizen.


The latest suits have been filed in state and federal courts in Hawaii, Washington, California, Florida, Georgia, New York, and Connecticut to compel Obama to release his birth records.


Lawsuits in Washington and Georgia are seeking state superior courts to force the states’ secretary of state, as the chief state elections officer, to require Obama to produce original birth records from Hawaii, or else decertify him as a candidate for the presidency.




Ironically, Obama mentions his birth certificate in passing on Page 26 of his 1995 memoir, “Dreams of My Father.” “I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school,” he wrote.


Lawyers for Obama and the DNC did not return calls for comment on the current status of the case, or explain why the Obama campaign did not simply put to rest the whole controversy by releasing the birth certificate that Obama apparently cherished as a teenager.


In the past, questions about Sen. John McCain's legal status have arisen. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone at a U.S. Army hospital. McCain had legal experts vet his constitutional qualifications, and he also disclosed a copy of his birth certificate.




http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/ob...2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1
 

fruit loop

Inactive
Warandra, don't waste your time. These people only believe what is IMMEDIATELY FORWARDED TO THEM BY ALL THEIR FRIENDS.
 

Ragenomore

Senior Member
Ragenomore......you just proved my point silly boy/girl.

Your certified copy is an abridged copy of the Vault copy - your Vault copy should have the hospital you were born in, or the land description, maybe your religion, your parents names or their occupations, the doctor's name.....etc

Does your certified copy have all that???? Don't think so......

I deal with this kind of info all the time - obviously you don't.

Grow up.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
What kind of response is "grow up"???....typical non-response.

I am sure I am more mature than you - at least I can go from point A to point B and consider the data in between.

You seem to just have gut responses to Obama and no logical response to facts.
 

Ragenomore

Senior Member
OK.
I have thought it out. So what you are saying the burden of proof must be higher for him then just the simple state birth certificate. If my family did not save the other one I would have no idea about all the other info about my mother's maiden name, birth weight, hospital and all the other info that you want.
Too bad.:screw:
This is going no where and it never will.
There are your facts.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
No I am saying that the burden of proof must be higher than a document which does not contain full information. For the President of the United States, potentially the most powerful man on earth, questions about his citizenship MUST be resolved - and when there is a simple way to put the truth to the test, it MUST be done.

Or the 50% of the people who did not vote for him because of this question will never be satisfied that he is the best person for the job.

It doesn't matter whether your family saved the B/Cert you have - certs get lost all the time, because there is a copy in the Vault in the registration office (City Clerk, Town Clerk etc) which is the original and you could ask to see it at any time.

Why hasn't Obama produced that original - he could authorise the Clerk to show it to the media, but he hasn't for some reason.
 

Beach

Veteran Member
If you didn't save the full birth record all you would have to do is go to the vital records office in the state your were born and ask for a copy of it. It's quite simple, I had to get a copy of the full record to play junior high school basketball because the school board wouldn't accept the abstract copy I had.

I guess being the point guard is more important than the presidency.
 

Beach

Veteran Member
he could authorise the Clerk to show it to the media, but he hasn't for some reason.

I think he won't show it because he simply thinks he is above being questioned. He's setting the precedent for the future, that he doesn't have to do what we want and doesn't have to answer the questions he chooses not to. It's an arrogance thing.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
Beach....

I guess being the point guard is more important than the presidency.

I guess it depends on which Team you play for :lkick:

I would think that Obama supporters would be calling for him to show this proof......it is not difficult and if he did this as a big media event, it would show the world he is who he says he is. Can't see a downside for Obama in doing that.

Why doesn't he??
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
I think in doing genealogy for so many decades, I know the importance of putting the right child with the right parents to trace their lines, so it is necessary to rule out co-incidences of same name parents and other crazy things that crop up in families, so detail is important to me.

There are County Clerks who are "very helpful" in letting you see certs for other people, and others who are strict in not doing so, according to the law of the State.

And I cynically can see a situation where a candidate with enough bucks backing him, could influence someone in a Vital Stats office to make up what looks like a legal abridged copy.

Not saying that happened, but there are those who need money and can be used. That is why the Vault copy is so important, it cannot be changed.

So bring it on.....
 

Kronos

Veteran Member
Well, Obama couldn't qualify for a Driver's License under Real ID with that 'proof'
('course, likely He doesn't need one to get around).

I hereby suggest, that as it appears seeking the office of POTUS has more relaxed requirements,
that we lowly plebes merely seeking our "right to operate a motor vehicle" be given a pass as well.

At least then, some 'good' would have come from this. :P
 

Fulltimer

Membership Revoked
Well, Obama couldn't qualify for a Driver's License under Real ID with that 'proof'
('course, likely He doesn't need one to get around).

I hereby suggest, that as it appears seeking the office of POTUS has more relaxed requirements,
that we lowly plebes merely seeking our "right to operate a motor vehicle" be given a pass as well.

At least then, some 'good' would have come from this. :P
What?

My Mother in Law was born in Oklahoma in 1912 and the courthouse where her birth records were recorded burned down in 1920.

We took her family Bible down to the Drivers License Office and she was given a DL and a voter registration based on the information recorded on the family page.

Obama's Record of Live Birth is adequate proof he is a natural born American citizen.


When I went to Hawaii I made the mistake many make when visiting the Islands. I asked a local if they had to have most of their goods shipped from America.:shkr:

I will never again make the mistake and suggest Hawaii is not America.




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