CRISIS NO TINY HOUSES for NC Flood Residents-- "Doesn't meet code"

Luddite

Has No Life - Lives on TB
IF THEY ARE OK IN PA, WHY NOT IN NC

Hey--do the AMISH HOMES in Pennsylvania "meet code"???
This may verge on thread drift. Not my intention to go off on a tangent.

I have always had a nagging suspicion the Amish were considered a great buffer around certain secret continuity of government sites in the PA area.

Peaceful. Not apt to be knuckledragging ne'er-do-wells.
Maybe NC just doesn't have a large enough COG necessity.

Anyone relinquishing their private property voluntarily will be a win from the government's point of view.

They would love to put people in cubicle apartments. Provide 3 hots and a cot.
You know "you'll own nothing and be happy"...
 
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kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Going to be honest, the gov can say what it will. Those who are not willing to put up with the bs will get the materials that the Amish brought, "purchased so they don't have to haul them home". Then they will find a well hidden nook on their property and take care of business.

And if no hidden nook, then they'll build a shed to store their generator and other equipment in. That shed will be really well insulated and have really sturdy shelves along the walls. To become beds when interfering pitas are not around to interfere because they are all cozy and tucked away in their warm homes.

And neighbors will help each other so that those who physically can't do the actual building of these sheds can be provided for.

Sometimes you just have to let that middle finger attitude fly, with a big smirking grin.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Another thought occurred to me this morning--

ASHEVILLE was out of power for weeks, in the hardest-hit areas.
They only got their WATER turned on THIS PAST WEEK--so about 8 WEEKS without running water.

By the logic of these NC officials, every home in Asheville should have been condemned and its residents put out on the streets.
True, but Ashville is filled with liberals...they get a pass.

Summerthyme
 

BillM

Dr Science
I wouldn’t be asking permission.
Spoke like a real adult. Plenty of places to dump a useless eater in that 'war zone'.. Its sad, these folks really have more inportant and pressing things to worry about , that they have to deal with these gvt useless eaters serving no purpose and causing more hardship instead of providing solutions which is what they were esssentially hired to do. Seems quite a few 'public servants' have forgotten just who they are paid by and whom they work for. I agree with someone above, time to put them in tents and see how they like it......
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Sometimes you just have to let that middle finger attitude fly, with a big smirking grin.
They govern with the "assent of the governed."

But what if there is not assent?

True they could make your life hell - but prison is considerably warmer than a tent.

There is not much beyond that they can do - and they know it. And if the prisons are full...

Dobbin
 

kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They govern with the "assent of the governed."

But what if there is not assent?

True they could make your life hell - but prison is considerably warmer than a tent.

There is not much beyond that they can do - and they know it. And if the prisons are full...

Dobbin
Prisons don't even need to be full. They don't want anymore public shaming to hit them. All it would take is one good video of them forcing a family into tents instead of a well built shed, during freezing temps, and they know they would lose their jobs. They would become the shunned outcasts by most of their community on top of everything else.

The problem is catching them on video. So if I had to do it, I'd likely add a few battery powered cameras to the setup. Good thing I'm already looking at some solar and battery powered cameras.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I hope so.

I plan on calling Samaritan's Purse and Hope for Crisis (the outfit that's been providing donated RV's) to check into the truth of this; can't do that until Monday.

I hope your news is true, rob0126. Last time I saw this video is was about how the people are not being allowed to occupy the houses, and since then I've heard reports (see post 60) the local officials for roads have had police out blocking roads so that RV's can't be driven on them, saying they may not be "safe" because they haven't "certified" that they are safe.
 

Blacknarwhal

Three-Time Trump Voter
I hope so.

I plan on calling Samaritan's Purse and Hope for Crisis (the outfit that's been providing donated RV's) to check into the truth of this; can't do that until Monday.

I hope your news is true, rob0126. Last time I saw this video is was about how the people are not being allowed to occupy the houses, and since then I've heard reports (see post 60) the local officials for roads have had police out blocking roads so that RV's can't be driven on them, saying they may not be "safe" because they haven't "certified" that they are safe.

How'd Obama put it? A phone and a pen?

Gonna be a lot of unhappy people when Trump starts ruling Obama-style.
 

mortgageboss

Contributing Member
Haywood County doesn't surprise me. I just moved away from there.

I was in the middle of a tiny home project when the huricane hit. Mine is undamaged and ready to move.
Its built to code and ready to hook up: it takes RV type connectors. 8x16 on a trailer.

Its in Waynesville. It would need to moved immediatly.

I'll make a good deal to any fellow TBK'ers.
 
Hey--do the AMISH HOMES in Pennsylvania "meet code"???

Do THEY have "electricity, indoor running water, and (I would assume county officials are thinking of this in terms of HVAC systems) heating"?

IF THEY ARE OK IN PA, WHY NOT IN NC??????????????????????????
Exactly!
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
People made it through 200 YEARS without electricity and running water in small cabins and homes in America...especially in the backwoods of Appalachia....all the way up into the 1950's and some places later. AND very rarely received ANY help from the government.
This was before Building codes and FEMA. Can someone please explain to me why: if we have the Army Corp. of Engineers and the National Guard we still need FEMA?
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It might give the county boys pause if they got a letter detailing their address and a picture of their home. Unless they're stone stupid, they'll get the message.

Oh, a nice physical follow up in a few days would be a good boost.
I lay odds it already happened and they just doubled down as a result...
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
People made it through 200 YEARS without electricity and running water in small cabins and homes in America...especially in the backwoods of Appalachia....all the way up into the 1950's and some places later. AND very rarely received ANY help from the government.
As far as I know these sorts of what now are considered "primitive cabins" are still available for rent from the Appalachian Trail Club. If you decide to rent one be warned. You may find you have a black bear for a neighbor or a snake or two in the chimney.

The PATC cabins I've used have been solidly built and wouldn't be surprised if they last a hundred years or more unless fire or neglect takes them.
 
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desertvet2

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If you are appalled by what your gvt is doing/not doing here at home....


You really might not want to know what they do outside our borders to other nations..

Soft hand, strong hand tactics are shifting.
 

Samuel Adams

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Zoning regulations are a “servitude interest” in land.

For all of the faults and weaknesses in America’s now very insecure land titles, (they don’t offer much in the way of Rights….due largely to neglect and ignorance on the part of the people) the original Patent rights still apply to those lands in America originally passed to the first grantee by patent.

Not all “private” property in America was passed by patent.
The states occasionally secured title and passed the land to the original grantee by other means than federal patent, and such lands remained encumbered by a “state trust interest”, and therefore are subject to state regulations.

“Klais v Danowski”, Michigan Supreme Court, 1964, goes into some detail as to the early US Congress intending their Land Patent to cut off the state trust interests and give the first grantee, his assigns and heirs, forever…..“absolute title”.

In 1984, California case, “Summa Corp v State of Cal.” went to the USSC, and the court emphatically declared that “any servitude interest on patented lands must be reserved by the states at or previous to the time of patenting. Once the ink dries on the Land Patent, the states are FOREVER BARRED from imposing any new servitude interests over patented lands.

The states VERY seldom made such timely reservations.

Both above referenced cases state that the only necessity is that the current landowner can trace back and find that his land was originally passed by patent.
Nothing further is required to secure patent rights.

Now….who would like to make us a list of “servitude interests” the states have dreamt up to impose upon their ignorant serfs…..hoping that the serfs remain ignorant ?

Zoning regulations would rank right up there.m, along with;
Fish and game use.
Water rights.
Mineral rights.
Environmental management.
Wetlands……..


Incidentally, accepting federal disaster or other land related monies…..or a bank mortgage…..or insurance policy…..places the land back into a trust interest that has to be dealt with before Rights are relevant and enforceable.

Can anyone pass that on to the Carolina legal team?
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Soft hand, strong hand tactics are shifting.

Such an action on the part of any portion of the US government or its subsidiaries is a breach/alteration of the Original Compact and, by Constitutional, international and contract law, gives the People opportunity to alter how they engage, as well.

How will the People respond ?
 

rob0126

Veteran Member
'Response' is what the 4 devil commissioners want, so they can justify locking down the county, for 'your safety'.

Seems the sheriff is in there pocket too.

I would hold the 4 commissioners and the sheriff personally liable for any injuries or deaths from here on out, because of the lack of help they are giving.

America has the best scumbags money can buy.

This evil babylonian system must come down or the people will perish.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Response' is what the 4 devil commissioners want, so they can justify locking down the county, for 'your safety'.

Not that there remains any such fortitude, anywhere, in sufficient quantity, but what you describe above sounds suspiciously like the British mentality at Lexington and Concord.

Meanwhile, in other news, “response” has never been universally synonymous with taking up arms.

Your suggested remedy, however unlikely to be pursued, is also a “response”.
 

Publius

On TB every waking moment
Come to think of it, building codes are unconstitutional, what you build on your property should have no input from any government entity.

I know, but it has to be safe… show me anywhere in the constitution that the right to micro manage how a person chooses to live was ever given to government.

But what about property values? Screw that.. unless you own a huge tract of land, build fancy houses and control how people live through an agreed upon HOA before purchase, you have no right to limit your neighbor on his property, to protect the perceived value of yours.

You may not like your neighbors bright pink paint, but his constitutional rights extend all the way to his property lines as yours do on your property. We have given away all of our fundamental rights, one by one for this B.S. greater good of the community line.

Add in a little Ben Franklin for proof of context:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

There is a problem with people building houses any old way they feel like doing and it's not safe for anyone to live in and then go and sell it to someone else thats why we have building codes.
I agree state and local governments' have gone too far with many of their building code's and a lot of it can be rolled back a good bit and still provide safety and health requirements.
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
There is a problem with people building houses any old way they feel like doing and it's not safe for anyone to live in and then go and sell it to someone else thats why we have building codes.
I agree state and local governments' have gone too far with many of their building code's and a lot of it can be rolled back a good bit and still provide safety and health requirements.
My feeling is the safety and quality is between a property owner. Buyer/seller. There is no constitutional grounds for the government to be involved. Yeah, I know what you are saying, but it is a surrendering of a right, and if we are willing to surrender a right for some safety and security, what’s to stop the surrender of all rights for safety and security.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
I'm actually surprised those "Hillbillies" are even allowing those Guberment Clowns into their hollows. Even more surprised they are letting them out!

This ordeal is making me come to the conclusion that these "hillbillies" have been neutered by generations of welfare and drugs. Just like the poor whites I deal with in the Oil and gas patch.

I have watched quite a few videos of survivors... a significant portion were wards of the state long before this flood.

The hard men that can put fear into the local government tyrants typically possess traits that keep them from being of the trailer park caste.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There is a problem with people building houses any old way they feel like doing and it's not safe for anyone to live in and then go and sell it to someone else

The classic apologetic of bureaucracy in its eternal effort to govern man to death.

“It’s for your own good.”

Furthermore, effort builds character and mistakes sharpen skills.

“The ultimate consequence of protecting (or preventing) men from the results of their own folly is to fill the world with fools.”
Herbert Spencer

Get your hands off the commoner’s neck, bureaucrat, and let him live at his own pace.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I still say this topic is being exaggerated for clicks. It probably has happened in a few instances, in a few locations to a few people - and an argument can be made about the morality of that. But it's not widespread or it WOULD be on the news.
 

momma_soapmaker

Disgusted
Another video about what's going on in NC. Starts out a little wonky - this was a live, but hang with it.

Runtime 18:40

Just an update - it makes me SO MAD that there are people taking advantage of this tragedy for their own gain. :mad:

Because I posted the above video, I wanted everyone to know.

Steff at the Aeroponic Tower Channel is legit. This Lacey character in the sunglasses is a scammer.

Runtime 6:20

View: https://youtu.be/xW2CC5jfAnY
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wow.

Scamming…..OPENLY…..at that level, under those circumstances, takes a level of nerve beyond my comprehension.
 
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