CRIME Main Rittenhouse trial thread - NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS
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Neither is honesty, or even legal competence.
The prosecutor also thinks that one can only shoot someone with a handgun with two hands on the weapon and feet braced. Guess he's never seen a gangsta with the gun sideways.
Capt. Eddie
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packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
The stupid is strong with this one! Good grief.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Let us look at this closely
1. Kenosha is frightened crapless of the 'demonstrators'
2. It is received wisdom that the citizenry does not have the right to defend itself, particularly if they are White.
3. The kid defended himself against the 'demonstrators'
4. That is entirely unacceptable. That grows, peaceful looters might get shot down in the streets. Can't have that. We want the cops and citizenry cowering.
5. Something must be done to take the heat off the city.
Thus the trial, knowing full well no hope of conviction to an impartial jury. How about a directed verdict by the judge. Depends on easily his house can be defended because he can expect a reaction. Although Kenosha just may have grown a pair and 'peaceful' demonstrators may find their machinations......difficult.
The jury may be uneasy too. Might end up with a hung jury. That might be the easiest way out.
1. Kenosha is frightened crapless of the 'demonstrators'
2. It is received wisdom that the citizenry does not have the right to defend itself, particularly if they are White.
3. The kid defended himself against the 'demonstrators'
4. That is entirely unacceptable. That grows, peaceful looters might get shot down in the streets. Can't have that. We want the cops and citizenry cowering.
5. Something must be done to take the heat off the city.
Thus the trial, knowing full well no hope of conviction to an impartial jury. How about a directed verdict by the judge. Depends on easily his house can be defended because he can expect a reaction. Although Kenosha just may have grown a pair and 'peaceful' demonstrators may find their machinations......difficult.
The jury may be uneasy too. Might end up with a hung jury. That might be the easiest way out.
If Rittenhouse is found not guilty, he and his family will need to be out of their house and the city THAT DAY, never to return. That’s just the way it is in our WRoL country today. The criminals (both overt and covert) are in charge. Just ask the McCloskeys.
Fake Shemp
Banned for resurrecting the mayonnaise thread
Kyle has something that most men in this country do not, balls. When I saw the videos last year, I was cheering. The only thing I wish was that the barrel was about 8 inches to the right of the last communist that he blew his arm apart.
This man, and let’s not mistake him for a kid because even though he was a kid at the time he was more of a man than even LEO that did nothing!
Kyle is a perfect example of a man who any other man would want in their fox hole.
Watching him on the stand today made me realize that not only is he a brave man but he is a man with morals and genuine feelings.
After all, he killed two commies which is something that most if not all can say here, Including me.
This man, and let’s not mistake him for a kid because even though he was a kid at the time he was more of a man than even LEO that did nothing!
Kyle is a perfect example of a man who any other man would want in their fox hole.
Watching him on the stand today made me realize that not only is he a brave man but he is a man with morals and genuine feelings.
After all, he killed two commies which is something that most if not all can say here, Including me.
Shemp, everything you say is true. But what you didn’t say speaks volumes. His life has been ruined by the legal system. His court expenses easily exceeded a half million dollars IMO. Unless he changes his name, no college will admit him, and very few employers will hire him. He’ll have a target on his back for a minimum of 5-10 years. If he so much as spits on the sidewalk, the feds will come at him so hard he’ll never see daylight again. If he ever needs to defend himself again, he’ll remember what he’s been through and will hesitate. Chances are that will result in his death.
So please temper the testosterone dump with a realization of what this has cost him emotionally.
So please temper the testosterone dump with a realization of what this has cost him emotionally.
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Nice post
Buick Electra
TB2K Girls with Guns
Yup. Witness Protection. New identity, new face, etc.
Fake Shemp
Banned for resurrecting the mayonnaise thread
Hey Dennis, and everything you say is true, sadly.
What this has cost him emotionally has not been unrealized by me and many others.
What this has cost him emotionally has not been unrealized by me and many others.
And has plastic surgery ....
Dennis is right.
Absolutely...the kid's employment chances are dead. He better get down with some Diesel mechanic, HVAC, Plumber, Elec training ASAP, so he can have some kind of a career post-trial.
Word.
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
I would hope there are people in a position to help Kyle with training / education, and employment. I know I certainly would, if I were still in a position to do so, and I don't think I'm the only one who would.
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
Judge in Rittenhouse Trial Admonishes Malicious Prosecution For Ignoring Pretrial Rulings on Evidence - The Last Refuge
Kenosha County Judge Bruce Schroeder was very frustrated by the prosecution in the case against Kyle Rittenhouse today. The defendant took the stand in his own defense after the prosecution clearly failed to present their case. Even the prosecution’s own witnesses affirmed the accused was acting...
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Judge in Rittenhouse Trial Admonishes Malicious Prosecution For Ignoring Pre-Trial Rulings on Evidence
November 10, 2021 | Sundance | 58 Comments
Kenosha County Judge Bruce Schroeder was very frustrated by the prosecution in the case against Kyle Rittenhouse today. The defendant took the stand in his own defense after the prosecution clearly failed to present their case. Even the prosecution’s own witnesses affirmed the accused was acting in self-defense.
A desperate prosecution appears to prefer a mistrial in lieu of a most likely acquittal, by attempting today to introduce evidence against the accused. Judge Schroeder was furious at the prosecution for refusing to adhere to pre-trial rulings.
14:52 run time
There have been many people wondering why Kyle Rittenhouse would want to take the stand in his own defense given the weakness of the prosecution case. However, for those who remember the trial of George Zimmerman the motive of Rittenhouse is not that difficult to see.
The case against George Zimmerman was just as weak and politically motivated as the case against Rittenhouse. Zimmerman was acquitted by the jury quickly in part because a self-defense case was so clear and in part because the prosecution case was maliciously constructed and fraught with lies.
Like Zimmerman, the Rittenhouse case was similarly constructed for media and political use. It is a political trial with no basis in truth to the pre-trial narrative.
George Zimmerman never took the stand before he was found not guilty. As a result there was no counter-narrative to push back against the false media construct. After the not-guilty verdict the media continued to say George Zimmerman was guilty. The reality of manipulated public opinion haunted Zimmerman after the acquittal, and continued to destroy his life after trial.
It appears Kyle Rittenhouse is testifying to use the time where public attention is upon the case to avoid the post trial fate that George Zimmerman encountered. And, I will add, it is working. In a substantive way Rittenhouse sitting and taking all of the prosecution manipulation upon himself in a very visible open court is generating more public awareness that he was/is wrongfully prosecuted.
Nowski
Let's Go Brandon!
If Rittenhouse is found not guilty, how much of Kenosha Wisconsin is going to be
burnt to the ground. No doubt, plans are being made, on what areas to attack,
and what is to be burnt.
I have stated this previously. Because of where the ZUSA is today, and where it is going to be
in the future, Rittenhouse and his family will have to leave the ZUSA, if they expect to live
out the rest of their lives in peace.
The ZUSA is no longer a European nation, based on the Rule of Law and The Constitution.
There should be some well heeled Conservatives that can get Rittenhouse and his family
out of the ZUSA, to a Eastern European nation. Romania is coming along really fast with
major changes to their government. They are becoming what the ZUSA used to be.
They have great mountains, and they also have a coast on The Black Sea.
If Ukraine wasn't having the problems that it is having with Russia, it would be a great
nation for migration of Whites from the ZUSA.
April 9th,1865 guaranteed that this time in the ZUSA would arrive, and it has,
and there is no going back, ever. They won with their demographics, and that is how
they will control the vanquished ZUSA going forward. If you are White, forget about it,
and prepare for migration if you can.
Please be safe everyone.
Regards to all.
Nowski
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Sid Vicious
Veteran Member
Kenosha Kid
Hfcomms
EN66iq
There are no hero’s here and Kyle is not a saint. I bet that well before this point that he wished he never went there in the first place. To be frank, he is innocent and shot to protect his life. Being 18 years old now he should walk as a free man.
Yet, he never should of been there in the first place. What in the world is a 17 year old doing armed in a riot in a town that isn’t even his home? Where were his parents? I don’t take anything away from him at all. He was stupid as most 17 year olds are as I was at his age. He should of been at home or taking his girlfriend to a football game.
His decision that day fueled by his youth and inexperience are going to follow him now for the rest of his life. I have great compassion for him, but I don’t make him out to be anything more than he is. A kid who made poor decisions in the first place and now has to live with the results. The two that died and the one with the bicep blown apart deserved what they got but the kid never should of been there to begin with. It wasn’t his home or family that was being threatened in the first place. He went looking for trouble……and found it.
Yet, he never should of been there in the first place. What in the world is a 17 year old doing armed in a riot in a town that isn’t even his home? Where were his parents? I don’t take anything away from him at all. He was stupid as most 17 year olds are as I was at his age. He should of been at home or taking his girlfriend to a football game.
His decision that day fueled by his youth and inexperience are going to follow him now for the rest of his life. I have great compassion for him, but I don’t make him out to be anything more than he is. A kid who made poor decisions in the first place and now has to live with the results. The two that died and the one with the bicep blown apart deserved what they got but the kid never should of been there to begin with. It wasn’t his home or family that was being threatened in the first place. He went looking for trouble……and found it.
end game
Veteran Member
Has had 3 instances that could have been a mistrial with one being aggregious. The choice with prejudice eliminates another trial. I suspect Judge doesn't want his house toasted at a late hour by the unhappies therefore, as the Judge states, it's reserved (code word for nope).
end game
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Biggest mistake was testifying that he gave Dominic the money to purchase the ERfiftene. Dominic is under indictment from the fe ds for a straw purchase. The fe dgoves just got what they wanted.
Kyle did state today that his dad lives in Kenosha so he kinda justified the response. I agree, don't go looking for trouble. Makes you wonder why the fe b eyes were operating a fixed wing (pred ator drone) in the area. Could it be they scooped up surveillance by phone, internet, or other means specifically looking for a situation like this. There have been no other instances of the "footage" being brought forth to investigate those who did the looting and burning. Guess there is no other explanation except burner and looters are uncontrolled "assets".
I agree with your premise but...
Somebody had to do what he did.
If 1500 people did what he did things would not have gone to hell like they have.
Somebody has to get off their dead ass and do something. He was young enough to do so.
I back him as best I can
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
As Avery Brooks (Hawke) used to say to Robert Urich (Spencer) "I'm going to have to curb your impetuosity!"
Kyle exposed HIS Youthful impetuosity and is now dealing with the benefits thereof.
Kyle exposed HIS Youthful impetuosity and is now dealing with the benefits thereof.
end game
Veteran Member
If he somehow walks I would suspect there are a multitude of libel lawsuits that could be filed against the media weasels. Zimmerman made out well against the NBCommies quite well. I would hope he has this opportunity. Watching him break down on the stand was gun-wrenching and the weasels need to pay financially for what they have done to him and his family.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
QFT!!
end game
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Quantum Field Theory
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
HF we were all young once and did stupid things. Some of us had limited choices. My friend joined the Marines at 17 and came home in a box before his 18th birthday. Some commie in Da Nang put a bullet in his head. For me somethings never change. Kyle was 17 and killed one commie and shot two others. His life is forever changed as was anyone who went to war. Yes we are at war without a doubt. Kyle made a decision to help friends against a communist attack. It can be deemed right or wrong but what he did was without don't self defense and self preservation. The weight of that is now on him the rest of his days. If Kenosha will stand up to the commies then 17 years old don't have to. They need to take care of business.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Naah.
Quoted for Truth
Quoted for Truth
end game
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Knew that, just lightning up the doom a bit.
A very salient post by Bubble Head.
I'm pulling it out of quotes intentionally.
HF we were all young once and did stupid things. Some of us had limited choices. My friend joined the Marines at 17 and came home in a box before his 18th birthday. Some commie in Da Nang put a bullet in his head. For me somethings never change. Kyle was 17 and killed one commie and shot two others. His life is forever changed as was anyone who went to war. Yes we are at war without a doubt. Kyle made a decision to help friends against a communist attack. It can be deemed right or wrong but what he did was without don't self defense and self preservation. The weight of that is now on him the rest of his days. If Kenosha will stand up to the commies then 17 years old don't have to. They need to take care of business.
I'm pulling it out of quotes intentionally.
HF we were all young once and did stupid things. Some of us had limited choices. My friend joined the Marines at 17 and came home in a box before his 18th birthday. Some commie in Da Nang put a bullet in his head. For me somethings never change. Kyle was 17 and killed one commie and shot two others. His life is forever changed as was anyone who went to war. Yes we are at war without a doubt. Kyle made a decision to help friends against a communist attack. It can be deemed right or wrong but what he did was without don't self defense and self preservation. The weight of that is now on him the rest of his days. If Kenosha will stand up to the commies then 17 years old don't have to. They need to take care of business.
Teeja
On the Beach
Fact: Kenosha businesses and buildings were burned, looted and destroyed-- and police were either unable or unwilling to stop it.
Fact: Kyle considered Kenosha his home town. His father still lives there today.
What are citizens to do when police allow riotous, murdering thugs to run free destroying neighborhoods? A real man will step up and do what Kyle did - helped his community and stood strong to defend it..
Those that say "He went looking for trouble……and found it." have no clue about what makes a real man. Such people will turn on real patriots when SHTF.
Fact: Kyle considered Kenosha his home town. His father still lives there today.
What are citizens to do when police allow riotous, murdering thugs to run free destroying neighborhoods? A real man will step up and do what Kyle did - helped his community and stood strong to defend it..
Those that say "He went looking for trouble……and found it." have no clue about what makes a real man. Such people will turn on real patriots when SHTF.
just for fun i dropped by the Daiy Kos this morning. and they are going absolutely apeshit over the likely acquittal here.
all kinds of threats, insinuations (the judge is a WS), venting
and then there's a twitter. still up as of right now, of a cousin of blake's (the guy whose shooting started all this crap) actually saying that if kyle is acquitted, kenosa is going to burn.
all kinds of threats, insinuations (the judge is a WS), venting
and then there's a twitter. still up as of right now, of a cousin of blake's (the guy whose shooting started all this crap) actually saying that if kyle is acquitted, kenosa is going to burn.
Teeja, again, every word you say is true. The PROBLEM is that he did it alone. Had a hundred or a thousand people been at his side gunning down the Communists, he wouldn’t have been prosecuted. The “single combatant” is fair game to have the “whack-a-mole” hammer brought down on them.
There’s a saying: If you’re the only one on the battlefield, it’s not time yet.
There’s a saying: If you’re the only one on the battlefield, it’s not time yet.
Might have cases against go fund me and several other online collection crowd fundraisers as they took his down … I do believe I. The right of a public business to do as the see under the law .. but their might be a case there
Illini Warrior
Illini Warrior
small point if you missed it yesterday in the court session - the DA's Demon belittled the typical ANTIFA melee weapon into nothing more than a toy >>> the second guy to attack Rittenhouse and got himself shot after striking twice in the head area with the skateboard ....
if you have followed the ANTIFA "protesting" in the NWP over the last few years - Portland in particular >>> they can't show up with a baseball bat or a pick axe handle - but there's a skateboard in hand with every other guy wanting to battle ....
if you have followed the ANTIFA "protesting" in the NWP over the last few years - Portland in particular >>> they can't show up with a baseball bat or a pick axe handle - but there's a skateboard in hand with every other guy wanting to battle ....
Sicario
The Executor
The Kyle Rittenhouse Prosecutor’s Case Comes Down To Rioting Good, Self-Defense Bad
thefederalist.com
The bulk of Thomas Binger's questioning of Rittenhouse on Wednesday assumed that unless a person has physically touched you, there is no reason to protect yourself with force that may prove deadly.
If you follow the prosecution’s case against Kyle Rittenhouse, the only logical end is the assertion that self-defense is almost never an option and visiting the scene of a riot is only okay if you are there to burn property.
There are other facets to lead prosecutor Thomas Binger’s arguments — that Rittenhouse, 18, was in illegal possession of a gun, that he showed up in Kenosha, Wis., that night of violent rioting because he was pursuing danger, and that he could have easily done things differently. But the bulk of Binger’s questioning of Rittenhouse on Wednesday relied on the assumption that unless a person has physically touched you, and unless you were at the scene for reasons not in line with others present, there is no reason to protect yourself with force that may prove deadly.
Rittenhouse face chargers for the murders of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber, as well as the intentional homicide of Gaige Grosskreutz. It’s not disputed, and it’s on video, that Rittenhouse shot all three, and only Grosskreutz survived.
It’s also on video and backed up by eyewitness testimony that each of the three men was running after Rittenhouse and making attempts to take his gun. Grosskreutz, who was armed at the time, himself said he tried grabbing Rittenhouse’s AR-15.
Binger played the videos, which the jury has seen multiple times already, and acknowledged in questioning that Rittenhouse was being chased that night in August 2020. But his emphasis has been that: 1) Rosenbaum, the shooting of whom set off the whole episode, never physically touched Rittenhouse and 2) that Rittenhouse’s presence, by its very nature, was needlessly provocative.
The absurdity was captured in one specific exchange between Binger and Rittenhouse.
Binger: “So, you saw someone who was trying to put out a fire, who got assaulted?”
Rittenhouse: “Yes.”
Binger: “But, if you’re going to help people, why would you expect anyone would try and hurt you?”
Rittenhouse: “I don’t know. Somebody did try to hurt me and I was helping people.”
Binger has apparently never prepared for an unexpected disaster. He may not even buckle his seatbelt, I can’t be sure.
Rittenhouse testified that he was in Kenosha that night at the request of a car lot owner who had been looking for men to protect his business, which had previously suffered damage from nights of rioting. He said he brought his AR-15 and a medic kit for the purpose of patrolling the area and offering care to anyone injured.
He said that beforehand he had seen destruction done to the city, where his father lives and where Rittenhouse had been working as a lifeguard. That’s why he brought the gun — in the event that he needed it for his own protection. There had been, after all, reports of physical assaults against police and a business owner in addition to the property damage.
But Binger adopted a tone to suggest he was utterly confounded as to why anyone would show up in Kenosha to offer aid while armed with a gun.
Binger: “I asked you why you brought the gun. You said you needed it for protection. I said, ‘Protection against what?’ You said that you didn’t think you needed protection. I’m confused. Can you help me understand why you’re telling us you needed a gun for protection but you didn’t think you needed protection?
Rittenhouse, who is apparently lightyears ahead of Binger in IQ: “I brought the gun for my protection but what I was saying is I didn’t think I would have to use the gun and end up defending myself.”
Binger is presumably also confused by people who purchase home insurance. Why do they need that unless they plan on setting their own homes on fire?!
The prosecutor was equally stupid in making the case that Rittenhouse was at fault for being in a place he had the right to be, but shouldn’t have been.
At one point, Binger asked, “You know that you’re running into a crowd that is not friendly to you, right?” and also, “Were you surprised a crowd would react that way when they just saw you shoot someone?”
The implication is that Rittenhouse, having shot someone who was chasing him, should have known that all of this was coming because he made the choice to show up at a riot.
He did make that choice, but so did everyone else who showed up to loot, vandalize, and torch private and public property. Rittenhouse’s reason for showing up — to limit the damage — just happened to be unpopular. That doesn’t make him a criminal. It makes him a dissident.
When you reach the logical conclusion of the prosecution’s case, that’s Rittenhouse’s crime. He was in a dangerous place where the rioters — otherwise known by Binger as “the good guys” — didn’t want him, and therefore Rittenhouse was the instigator.
It’s preposterous. The jury probably knows that.
Kyle Rittenhouse Prosecutor's Case: Rioting Good, Self Defense Bad
The questions to Kyle Rittenhouse assumed that unless a person has touched you, there is no reason to protect yourself with force that may prove deadly.
thefederalist.com
The bulk of Thomas Binger's questioning of Rittenhouse on Wednesday assumed that unless a person has physically touched you, there is no reason to protect yourself with force that may prove deadly.
If you follow the prosecution’s case against Kyle Rittenhouse, the only logical end is the assertion that self-defense is almost never an option and visiting the scene of a riot is only okay if you are there to burn property.
There are other facets to lead prosecutor Thomas Binger’s arguments — that Rittenhouse, 18, was in illegal possession of a gun, that he showed up in Kenosha, Wis., that night of violent rioting because he was pursuing danger, and that he could have easily done things differently. But the bulk of Binger’s questioning of Rittenhouse on Wednesday relied on the assumption that unless a person has physically touched you, and unless you were at the scene for reasons not in line with others present, there is no reason to protect yourself with force that may prove deadly.
Rittenhouse face chargers for the murders of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber, as well as the intentional homicide of Gaige Grosskreutz. It’s not disputed, and it’s on video, that Rittenhouse shot all three, and only Grosskreutz survived.
It’s also on video and backed up by eyewitness testimony that each of the three men was running after Rittenhouse and making attempts to take his gun. Grosskreutz, who was armed at the time, himself said he tried grabbing Rittenhouse’s AR-15.
Binger played the videos, which the jury has seen multiple times already, and acknowledged in questioning that Rittenhouse was being chased that night in August 2020. But his emphasis has been that: 1) Rosenbaum, the shooting of whom set off the whole episode, never physically touched Rittenhouse and 2) that Rittenhouse’s presence, by its very nature, was needlessly provocative.
The absurdity was captured in one specific exchange between Binger and Rittenhouse.
Binger: “So, you saw someone who was trying to put out a fire, who got assaulted?”
Rittenhouse: “Yes.”
Binger: “But, if you’re going to help people, why would you expect anyone would try and hurt you?”
Rittenhouse: “I don’t know. Somebody did try to hurt me and I was helping people.”
Binger has apparently never prepared for an unexpected disaster. He may not even buckle his seatbelt, I can’t be sure.
Rittenhouse testified that he was in Kenosha that night at the request of a car lot owner who had been looking for men to protect his business, which had previously suffered damage from nights of rioting. He said he brought his AR-15 and a medic kit for the purpose of patrolling the area and offering care to anyone injured.
He said that beforehand he had seen destruction done to the city, where his father lives and where Rittenhouse had been working as a lifeguard. That’s why he brought the gun — in the event that he needed it for his own protection. There had been, after all, reports of physical assaults against police and a business owner in addition to the property damage.
But Binger adopted a tone to suggest he was utterly confounded as to why anyone would show up in Kenosha to offer aid while armed with a gun.
Binger: “I asked you why you brought the gun. You said you needed it for protection. I said, ‘Protection against what?’ You said that you didn’t think you needed protection. I’m confused. Can you help me understand why you’re telling us you needed a gun for protection but you didn’t think you needed protection?
Rittenhouse, who is apparently lightyears ahead of Binger in IQ: “I brought the gun for my protection but what I was saying is I didn’t think I would have to use the gun and end up defending myself.”
Binger is presumably also confused by people who purchase home insurance. Why do they need that unless they plan on setting their own homes on fire?!
The prosecutor was equally stupid in making the case that Rittenhouse was at fault for being in a place he had the right to be, but shouldn’t have been.
At one point, Binger asked, “You know that you’re running into a crowd that is not friendly to you, right?” and also, “Were you surprised a crowd would react that way when they just saw you shoot someone?”
The implication is that Rittenhouse, having shot someone who was chasing him, should have known that all of this was coming because he made the choice to show up at a riot.
He did make that choice, but so did everyone else who showed up to loot, vandalize, and torch private and public property. Rittenhouse’s reason for showing up — to limit the damage — just happened to be unpopular. That doesn’t make him a criminal. It makes him a dissident.
When you reach the logical conclusion of the prosecution’s case, that’s Rittenhouse’s crime. He was in a dangerous place where the rioters — otherwise known by Binger as “the good guys” — didn’t want him, and therefore Rittenhouse was the instigator.
It’s preposterous. The jury probably knows that.