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Heliobas Disciple

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HD
It looks like covid is getting ready to explode as Geert said it would. I’m not sleeping well tonight


I don't know if we're seeing the Geert variant yet (in China - we could be seeing it in the UK/Ireland or even Japan, but may not in those places yet either). We don't know true death or hospitalization numbers for China so we can't determine if this is the deadly variant or as Dr. Campbell believes (see the post from yesterday with his video) they are just battling a non-deadly Omicron variant and won't have that many deaths (like NK, if they were telling the truth - it's so hard when you can't rely on any official information from NK or China). My worry is that even if we're not yet seeing the Geert variant, the set up for it to mansifest is there; it has possibly the most fertile ground yet to date to take over and make itself known.

So far the USA has had 1,117,194 official Covid deaths, and our population as of 2021 was approx 332 million. China's population as of 2021 was approx 1.4 billion and the total reported deaths (for the entire time!) is 5,246. They would need to have to date 5.5 million deaths to date (rough math, not my forte) to even be where we are, so basically 5.5 million just from this outbreak to have the same percentage fatality as we have, without the Geert variant even being in the picture for us here in the USA. Just some figures to watch to see if their outbreak is deadlier than the previous ones. Of course, we can't trust the numbers coming out of China, which throws a wrinkle into this but you can't really hide 5 million deaths. So something to keep an eye on.

One other thing that worries me. The Chinese used an old fashioned conventional vaccine. They are traveling to areas that used AstraZeneca (a DNA vector vax), and Moderna Pfizer ( an MRNA vector vax). So a variant that doesn't hurt them as much (due to the type of vaccine and the body's reaction to it and the antibodies they produced, etc) may have a different reaction for someone vaxxed with the DNA version or the MRNA version. I don't think Geert (or anyone) has addressed this angle and that could be because it's not a problem, but as a layperson non-scientist using common sense, I'd like to see it addressed.

HD
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Tested positive yesterday for a third time. Temp 99.9, sinuses dripping like an Amazon rain forest. Overall, like a bad cold... pureblood.
Are you taking the protocols???
Even if mild get started!

Nvm, I see you do take most of them. I’m glad you’re only having cold symptoms!
 
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psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
He made that statement in November this year. So what we’re saying in China the UK and Ireland I believe is fulfilling that forecast.
Ok, I was confused for a minute.
It’s too early and need more coffee! Haha!

He originally projected the new variant to hit in the fall so he’s almost right on the nose (if this is what we’re seeing) ….
 

Zoner

Veteran Member
I don't know if we're seeing the Geert variant yet (in China - we could be seeing it in the UK/Ireland or even Japan, but may not in those places yet either). We don't know true death or hospitalization numbers for China so we can't determine if this is the deadly variant or as Dr. Campbell believes (see the post from yesterday with his video) they are just battling a non-deadly Omicron variant and won't have that many deaths (like NK, if they were telling the truth - it's so hard when you can't rely on any official information from NK or China). My worry is that even if we're not yet seeing the Geert variant, the set up for it to mansifest is there; it has possibly the most fertile ground yet to date to take over and make itself known.

So far the USA has had 1,117,194 official Covid deaths, and our population as of 2021 was approx 332 million. China's population as of 2021 was approx 1.4 billion and the total reported deaths (for the entire time!) is 5,246. They would need to have to date 5.5 million deaths to date (rough math, not my forte) to even be where we are, so basically 5.5 million just from this outbreak to have the same percentage fatality as we have, without the Geert variant even being in the picture for us here in the USA. Just some figures to watch to see if their outbreak is deadlier than the previous ones. Of course, we can't trust the numbers coming out of China, which throws a wrinkle into this but you can't really hide 5 million deaths. So something to keep an eye on.

One other thing that worries me. The Chinese used an old fashioned conventional vaccine. They are traveling to areas that used AstraZeneca (a DNA vector vax), and Moderna Pfizer ( an MRNA vector vax). So a variant that doesn't hurt them as much (due to the type of vaccine and the body's reaction to it and the antibodies they produced, etc) may have a different reaction for someone vaxxed with the DNA version or the MRNA version. I don't think Geert (or anyone) has addressed this angle and that could be because it's not a problem, but as a layperson non-scientist using common sense, I'd like to see it addressed.

HD
Thanks HD.
Turnbull did some early math on the deaths in Ireland and it came out close to 10% of those infected.
I agree that we don’t have all the information we need to say this is Geert’s variant but I’m sensing this is it.
 

psychgirl

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Thanks HD.
Turnbull did some early math on the deaths in Ireland and it came out close to 10% of those infected.
I agree that we don’t have all the information we need to say this is Geert’s variant but I’m sensing this is it.
Me too.

I sure wish he’d say something about it but he’s probably busy studying and vetting the scenario.

He also gave the impression that he was almost “going dark” the last time he gave a big write up, didn’t he?
 

winodog

The Bible is a flat earth book
Is it "easier" to order ivermectin from the alldaychemist place or try to get it prescribed by my GP.
I belong to humana healthcare and I think he has to follow their orders. I doubt he will prescribe it.
 

Zoner

Veteran Member
Is it "easier" to order ivermectin from the alldaychemist place or try to get it prescribed by my GP.
I belong to humana healthcare and I think he has to follow their orders. I doubt he will prescribe it.
It would be quicker through the GP but I doubt you’ll get it from him. There’s also ivermectin in paste and liquid form at local farm stores.
 
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Zoner

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After reading thru all this, I am very concerned for my daughter. She has a vacation booked to Japan, leaving on 1/29/23. She is so excited to go. I pray that if they impose travel restrictions, they do so before she leaves. Id rather she be disappointed and “safe”.
I will pray with you for your daughter....and do it right now.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
After reading thru all this, I am very concerned for my daughter. She has a vacation booked to Japan, leaving on 1/29/23. She is so excited to go. I pray that if they impose travel restrictions, they do so before she leaves. Id rather she be disappointed and “safe”.
I have a feeling we will all know long before then how dire the situation is
Our prayers for her to stay safe/NOT go may be answered by a travel restriction.
 

Zoner

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I'm reviewing what Dr. Geert has said recently about how Covid will turn into a monster killer. He has turned all heads with the idea that the virus does seek mildness in order to transmit and survive, but that at some point it will turn into a more lethal and virulent variant. AND because so many are vaxxed, this strain will spread quickly and easily because the vaxxed have the same immunity produced by the Vax. That's why there will be an explosion of hospitalizations.

View: https://twitter.com/ZombyWoof2022/status/1603161622872485889?s=20&t=3keKRY8-vEjojvnW-8ibjA
 

Zoner

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I'm reviewing what Dr. Geert has said recently about how Covid will turn into a monster killer. He has turned all heads with the idea that the virus does seek mildness in order to transmit and survive, but that at some point it will turn into a more lethal and virulent variant. AND because so many are vaxxed, this strain will spread quickly and easily because the vaxxed have the same immunity produced by the Vax. That's why there will be an explosion of hospitalizations.

View: https://twitter.com/ZombyWoof2022/status/1603161622872485889?s=20&t=3keKRY8-vEjojvnW-8ibjA
Click on to read and see other short Geert recent videos. Long interviews can be detrimental to being watched.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
A thread I started in July of 2021...


I read an article on a thread here yesterday that used the term "leaky vaccines". It was new to me but what is said in it will send a tremor of fear down your spine.

If you missed the article yesterday, it's here:


‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses
“When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others,” said Andrew Read, an author of the study and an Evan Pugh professor of biology and entomology and Eberly professor in biotechnology at Penn State University

These less-than-perfect vaccines create a “leaky” barrier against the virus. Vaccinated individuals may get sick but have less severe symptoms, but the virus survives long enough to transmit to others, which allows it to survive and spread throughout a population.

“Our research demonstrates that the use of leaky vaccines can promote the evolution of nastier ‘hot’ viral strains that put unvaccinated individuals at greater risk

‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses



Well... From what they are telling us on MSM about how you can still catch COVID and pass it to others and that the vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching COVID it just lowers the severity of the disease. The COVID vaccines are obviously the very definition of "leaky".

I had never heard of the term before and wanted to dig a little deeper and see if any other "reputable" ( meaning mainstream ) information was out there.

This is what I found but the bottom line is that we are taking a virus that has a 99% survivability rate and through these rushed and experimental vaccines, we are turning this virus into something far far deadlier.



An imperfect vaccine reduces pathogen virulence
Leaky vaccines prevent the development of disease symptoms, but do not protect against infection and the onwards transmission of pathogens, which has been a concern because the consequences for unvaccinated contact individuals are unknown
An imperfect vaccine reduces pathogen virulence - Nature Reviews Microbiology

Pathogen transmission from vaccinated hosts can cause dose-dependent reduction in virulence
Many livestock and human vaccines are leaky because they block symptoms but do not prevent infection or onward transmission. This leakiness is concerning because it increases vaccination coverage required to prevent disease spread and can promote evolution of increased pathogen virulence. Despite leakiness, vaccination may reduce pathogen load, affecting disease transmission dynamics. However, the impacts on post-transmission disease development and infectiousness in contact individuals are unknown.

Leaky vaccines are commonly used to prevent or alleviate disease symptoms in livestock and are becoming more prevalent among human vaccines. Leakiness allows pathogen populations to persist even at high levels of vaccination coverage, and reduced mortality of vaccinated individuals can lengthen their infectious period and hence promote the evolution of increased pathogen virulence. A better understanding of the overall impacts on populations of vaccination with leaky vaccines is therefore urgently needed.

Pathogen transmission from vaccinated hosts can cause dose-dependent reduction in virulence

Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Viruses
The vaccine protects from developing disease, but doesn’t stop them from becoming infected or from spreading the virus. Inadvertently, this made it easier for the most virulent strains to survive. Such strains would normally kill their hosts so quickly that they’d die out
Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruses

Massachusetts General Hospital: Dr. Darwin and the Leaky Vaccine
Andrew F. Read of Penn State is one of the more outspoken voices in the field of evolutionary medicine, an emerging specialty that urges medical researchers to account for the forces of evolution in their work. Some of Read’s own research, for instance, looks at the growing problem of antibiotic resistance. Antibiotics kill some germs but allow others to survive, reproduce and emerge as new drug-resistant strains. That sequence of events is a classic exhibition of natural selection at work.

In a controversial 2001 paper in Nature, Read applied similar thinking to vaccines, which work by training the immune system to identify and destroy a specific pathogen. If a vaccine is only partially effective, he argued, it may protect the recipient from disease but allow the pathogen to replicate in the host’s body, which could then spread to unvaccinated populations. At the time, the idea that such evolution could be driven by “leaky” vaccines was only theoretical. But in a paper published last July in PLoS Biology, Read and several colleagues said they have confirmed the idea in a study involving Rhode Island Red chickens.

Read’s group looked at whether a vaccine for Marek’s disease, a condition specific to chickens, created an evolutionary condition that enabled virulent strains to thrive. They infected different groups of chicks—some that had been vaccinated and some that hadn’t—with the most lethal strains of Marek’s disease. Unvaccinated birds died within 10 days. Most vaccinated chicks, meanwhile, survived the infection for 30 days or more. But because the vaccines didn’t make them virus-free, the vaccinated chicks transmitted a great deal of lethal germs through shed feathers, which quickly infected and killed unvaccinated chickens nearby. The experiment suggests that a leaky vaccine can cause recipients to become incubators and carriers of dangerous strains.

Read stresses that vaccines for common diseases such as measles, mumps and polio don’t leak, since they mimic natural immunity, which lasts a lifetime. (Why others leak is harder to say, he adds.) And Read is quick to note that he is strongly in favor of immunization and the advantages it confers to those vaccinated. Those who falsely link childhood vaccinations to autism and other diseases have dampened legitimate conversations, he says. “The fear of risks in the public is leading to a fear of discussion about the risks [of vaccines] in the scientific community,” says Read, “and I think that’s bad all around.”

Dr. Darwin and the Leaky Vaccine

Virology: the problem with ‘leaky’ vaccines
Fresh evidence supports the theory that some vaccines lead to the evolution of more virulent viral strains
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Heliobas Disciple

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The idiocy never fails to shock me. I should be used to it, but I am still shocked by it. This one will go down in the history books :(


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UK will not impose mandatory Covid test on visitors from China as ‘megawave’ SURGES through country
China has seen a huge increase in cases of Covid after the mass lifting of lockdown rules across the country

George McMillan Senior Digital Producer
Published thursday 29 December 2022 - 09:28

The UK will not impose mandatory Covid tests on visitors arriving from China as cases surge across the country.

Scientists have predicted that there will be over one million Covid-related deaths next year after China’s rapid lifting of lockdown restrictions caused a sharp spike in cases across the country.

China made the decision earlier in the month to abolish its “zero-Covid” approach which included mass lockdowns and testing.

The Chinese public grew increasingly frustrated at the measures, many of which the West have not had imposed on them in over a year.

Protesters began taking to the streets, using blank sheets of paper to express their anger in a rare, widespread outpouring of public dissent.

However, as a result of the restrictions being lifted, the virus has started to run rampant through the country, whose population sits at 1.4billion.

Now, the US has joined Italy, India, Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia and Japan in announcing new measures after the abrupt end of Beijing’s zero-Covid policy sparked a surge in cases.

However, a UK Government spokesperson said: “There are no plans to reintroduce Covid-19 testing or additional requirements for arrivals into the UK.”

The spokesperson added the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) will continue to closely monitor the prevalence and spread of harmful variants and keep available international data under review.

In the US, starting on January 5, all travellers from China will be required to take a Covid-19 test no more than two days before travel and provide a negative test before getting on their flight.

The testing applies to anyone two years and older.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Speaking of which, the USA is going to test (it's now official).

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US will require travelers from China show proof of negative COVID test
By David Meyer
December 28, 2022 5:51pm Updated

Travelers flying from China to the United States will be required to show proof of a negative COVID-19 test before they board starting on Jan. 5, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Wednesday.

Passengers two years and older will be required to show a negative PCR or antigen test taken within two days before departure at the gate, the CDC said in a press release.

The rule will also apply to travelers coming from China to the USA via a third country, and only exempts those who tested positive for the bug at least 10 days before the flight and “can provide documentation of recovery … in lieu of a negative test result.”

The move comes after the easing of China’s strict “zero-COVID” policies earlier this month, which has led to the country’s largest coronavirus outbreak since the start of the pandemic.

US officials opted to reinstate the testing requirement for travelers from China due to a “lack of adequate and transparent epidemiological and viral genomic sequence data being reported from” the country, the CDC release said.

“These data are critical to monitor the case surge effectively and decrease the chance for entry of a novel variant of concern,” the release added.

This is the first time the Biden administration has re-instated mandatory COVID mandates on a foreign country since lifting the last similar measures in June, although the government has continued to recommend pre-flight testing.

Other countries have taken similar steps to filter travelers from China in recent weeks in an effort to keep infections from spreading beyond China’s borders.


Japan will require a negative COVID-19 test upon arrival for travelers from China, and Malaysia announced new tracking and surveillance measures. India, South Korea and Taiwan are also requiring virus tests for visitors from China.

The UK is expected to assess implementing similar restrictions of its own on Thursday, the Telegraph reported.

On Monday, two flights from China to Milan turned up nearly 100 positive COVID results — nearly half of the total flyers on board.

Similar restrictions in the UK are likely “inevitable” Paul Charles, chief executive of the travel consultancy The PC Agency, said it was “inevitable” the UK Government would take action after facing criticism for its slow response to the spread of Covid from China on flights at the start of the pandemic.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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More on those flights that landed in Milan. Good thing Italy is testing....


NOTE: the ones who test positive are asymptomatic. I think it's safe to assume they didn't let anyone with symptoms get on the flight (and why would they want to be on an airplane if they are really sick?). Are the ones who are asymptomatic carrying a different variant, one that is mild and one that shows up on the test? From just anecdotal reports of friends and family around me who are sick - the ones who have a 'mild cold' are testing positive for covid and the ones who are laid in bed for weeks really really sick are not. Even though they have more classic covid symptoms. (mildly sick are across the country from seriously sick, they aren't in the same circle catching from each other).



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Milan Reports 50% of Passengers on China Flights Have Covid
By Tommaso Ebhardt and Chiara Albanese
December 28, 2022, 10:15 AM EST | Updated onDecember 28, 2022, 11:50 AM EST

  • Italy plans to start virus tests on all China arrivals
  • Countries monitoring situation amid Chinese outbreaks

Italian health authorities will begin testing all arrivals from China for Covid after almost half of the passengers on two flights to Milan were found to have the virus.

They are also sequencing the Milan tests to see if there are new variants, the Health Ministry said in a statement. If a new strain is found, officials may impose stricter curbs on travel from the country.

China has seen outbreaks of the virus since the government there abandoned its strict zero-Covid policies. Uncertainty over the scale of the spread has prompted countries, including the US, to consider new restrictions on entry.

Italy’s government is set to discuss the Milan passenger numbers at a cabinet meeting later Wednesday, when Health Minister Orazio Schillaci may present information on the tests.

Most of those who tested positive weren’t showing symptoms. But local media reported that there’s increasing concern among health officials about new Covid variants emerging from China.

Italy was the first European country to be hit hard by Covid in early 2020.

While the high rate of passengers with the virus has put authorities on alert, one factor in Italy’s favor is its high vaccination rate.

More than 80% of people are fully inoculated, according to the World Health Organization, and many have also received booster shots. It’s a similar story across much of Western Europe.

Elsewhere, the UK said it will ensure it has the necessary Covid surveillance in place, but doesn’t have plans to introduce mandatory testing on arrivals from China.

In Germany, health authorities are “closely watching” the situation, according to Health Ministry spokesman Sebastian Guelde.

“We have no indication that a more dangerous mutation has developed in China that would give rise to a declaration of a virus variant area, which would result in corresponding travel restrictions,” he added.

The French health ministry is also monitoring developments, and said it’s “ready to look at all useful measures that could be put in place as a consequence, in collaboration with France’s European partners.”
 

Heliobas Disciple

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ARTICLE IS GRAPHIC HEAVY; ONLY BROUGHT OVER THE MORE IMPORTANT GRAPHICS. go to link if you want to see the rest of them.


Could China's Covid outbreak really push the fight against the virus back to square one? Experts warn new worrying variants could spring up but immunity should keep severe illness at bay
By Emily Craig Senior Health Reporter For Mailonline
Published: 10:50 EST, 29 December 2022 | Updated: 11:57 EST, 29 December 2022

  • A surge in infections is sweeping China after it ditched its zero-Covid policy
  • Experts say it presents the perfect breeding ground for 'troublesome' variants
  • Others say new variant is 'no more likely to emerge in China than anywhere else'

China's mammoth Covid outbreak provides an 'ideal environment' for a mutant variant to develop that is more infectious and render vaccines less effective — but it is unlikely to put the world back to square one, experts have said.

A surge in infections is sweeping the country after Beijing ditched its zero-Covid policy earlier this month, which had seen draconian lockdowns, extensive testing and isolation for cases and contacts imposed for nearly three years.

The country, which has stopped reporting daily Covid cases and deaths, is thought to be seeing one million cases and 5,000 deaths per day, according to some estimates. Hospitals have been overwhelmed and morgues have filled up.

Experts told MailOnline that the situation presents the perfect breeding ground for 'troublesome' new variants to emerge that could spread more easily and evade immunity.

However, others noted that a new variant is 'no more likely to emerge in China than anywhere else' and the majority of Brits have already been infected with Omicron, which is the dominant strain in the country.


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The Our World in Data graph shows the daily confirmed Covid cases in China. The Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention last week stopped reporting daily cases, without providing a reason. It reported around 5,000 cases per day last week and a small number of deaths. However, some estimates suggest China is actually experiencing one million cases per day and 5,000 deaths


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Our World in Data figures show that 89 per cent of people in China are double-jabbed, while 75 per cent in the UK and 69 per cent in the US have received two doses

Low immunity — down to poor vaccination rates and a lack of previous infections —is thought to be driving the wave.

Experts have warned that the fresh outbreak, which shows no signs of slowing, could have global ramifications.

Professor Lawrence Young, a virologist at Warwick University, told MailOnline: 'The rapid spread of Covid in China is a significant concern.

'A combination of vaccine hesitancy, the use of less effective vaccines — certainly compared to mRNA spike vaccines — and relatively low waves of previous infection means that the Chinese population does not have a high level of protective immunity.

'This is resulting in widespread infection with consequent high levels of severe disease and death and is also providing an ideal environment for the development of new variants.'

China has so far has relied on its own vaccines — Sinovac and Sinopharm.

Latest data suggests mRNA jabs used in most other countries slash the risk of being hospitalised by up to 84 per cent against Omicron.

Meanwhile, data on China's homegrown vaccines are limited.

But experts have long warned the jabs, which use older technology, are not as effective.

Scientists have warned that this has left the country in a 'difficult situation' due to its poor-quality jabs and low natural immunity among its population as years of restrictions has seen a small rate of its population catch the virus.

Professor Young noted that any new variant 'would have to compete with the current mix of highly transmissible Omicron variants'.

Surveillance data suggests that Omicron sub-variant BA.5 is still behind the majority of China's Covid infections.

Since the strain emerged last winter, its sub-variants have remained the most common strains worldwide, with no other variants of concern taking hold.

However, Professor Young added: 'We can't rule out the possibility of a more infectious variant emerging from the vast number of people now infected in China.

'This could spread if we don't monitor people travelling into the UK from China.'

China announced yesterday that it would ditch its quarantine policy for travellers from January 8 after nearly three years of closed borders.

The move makes travel for those living in China much easier, while those looking to work, study or visit family will now be able to enter.


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BF.7 is estimated to have a growth advantage of 30 per cent, suggesting it spreads more easily, leaves people infectious for longer or evades the immune system better than the currently dominant BA.5 strain


The scale of the outbreak and doubts over official data from China prompted the US, India, Italy, Taiwan and Japan to impose new travel rules on Chinese visitors.

But other nations, including the UK and France, have suggested they won't follow suit.

Dr Simon Clarke, a microbiologist based at the University of Reading, told MailOnline: 'Every time someone gets infected with Covid, the chances increase of a troublesome new variant arising; more infections mean more variants.'

Dr Clarke said: 'Increased travel of their citizens will likely see more virus spread.'

Professor Paul Hunter, an epidemiologist at the University of East Anglia, told MailOnline: 'With the large number of infections in China at present there is an increased risk of a new variant arising.'

However, he noted that immunity to severe disease — in response to vaccination and previous infection — has been 'generally well maintained'.

'So, [it is] unlikely but not impossible that a new variant would arise that causes significant extra problems,' he said.

Sequencing data suggests that Omicron sub-variant BF.7 is on the rise in China, causing 35.3 per cent of positive cases that have been studied in laboratories.

This strain was first spotted in January 2022 in Europe, before peaking globally in the autumn. It is now in decline worldwide, with exception of China.

Italy, which is screening visitors from China, has not detected any new coronavirus variants, with all cases being Omicron variants already present in Europe.

Other scientists are less concerned that China's outbreak could cause global disruption.

Professor Robert Dingwall, a sociologist at Nottingham Trent University who advised the Government on the pandemic when it began, said: 'There is no particular reason to suppose a new variant is more likely to emerge in China than anywhere else.'

And Professor Francois Balloux, an infectious disease expert based at University College London, noted that the Covid strains circulating in China have previously spread through the rest of the world.

He told MailOnline: 'This is a different situation from earlier waves such as the Alpha, Delta or Omicron surges, which were largely driven by at the time novel, more transmissible variants.'

Current variants spreading in poorly immunised populations, such as China, are not expected to 'significantly increase the risk of new variants emerging in the short term', Professor Balloux added.

Experts say the outbreak has been caused by President Xi Jinping's government sticking with its zero Covid policy for so long after rolling out vaccines.

The hermit strategy left China's population with little to no natural immunity.

In contrast, countries in the West, including Britain, resorted to living with the virus, which now poses a milder threat thanks to immunity afforded by the vaccine and natural infections.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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A new video from Dr. John Campbell that he did not post on his youtube page (at least as of this posting). I'm guessing because he has now become anti-vaxx and knows he can't post anti-vaxx messages to youtube. I was posting his videos daily before I took my (forced) hurricane break, marsh posted them daily before that and his videos have shown up on this thread for a long time. Slight aside: I thought he was an MD, he's an RN with a doctorate I guess in nursing. He doesn't specify.

In the video he is seen reading this statement to the camera. (imho he looks like he's reading a hostage message!) He probably weighed his words very carefully before making the video and doesn't want to adlib or go off script since it's an important (first time) message from him to stop the vaccines.

This is a link to the video on Rumble and the transcript he posted under the video of the message he's reading. You can just read the transcript if you don't want to watch, he reads it word for word.


Time to pause covid mass vaccination
Dr. John Campbell
Dec 28 2022
4 min 7 sec



My name is John Campbell, I am a semi-retired clinical nurse, nurse lecturer, academic, researcher and author of numerous articles and two text books.

My specialisms are human physiology and pathophysiology, as applied to clinical practice. I have also produced many educational videos which are used extensively around the world.

In my view the UK health authorities should pause the current covid-19 vaccination programme, due to the risks associated with vaccination.

As time has passed since the early days of 2020, the number of patients hospitalised with COVID-19 infection has continued to decline since it’s peaks in previous waves. This is clearly seen in data published by the UK government and the Office for National Statistics.

In addition, the proportion of patients in hospital with COVID-19 is now greater than the patients admitted to hospital for COVID-19. This is true for general hospital admissions as well as ICU admissions. In other words, most Covid positive patients admitted to hospital are now incidental, and were not admitted purely for COVID-19 complications.

As a result of mass infection during the various waves of the pandemic, especially the huge numbers of people infected with the omicron variant, most people have developed levels of natural immunity to the virus.

This natural infection also generates mucosal compartment immunity in the respiratory tract, which the injected vaccines do not produce.

While prior infection does not always prevent symptomatic disease, it does provide levels of protection against severe disease and hospitalisation.

This means the overall risk from COVID-19 infection with SARS coronavirus 2 is significantly less than it was when the vaccination programmes were first instigated.

However, risks associated with ongoing vaccination are probably the same as they were in the early stages of the pandemic and mass vaccination programmes.

If I am correct in this evaluation, this means that the risk of COVID-19 infection has gone down, while the risk of vaccination remains the same.

This fundamentally alters the risk benefit analysis of this vaccination programme.

I therefore consider that the UK government authorities should pause the current covid mass vaccination programme, until a full, population scale risk / benefit analysis is carried out, and published for free and open peer review.

I further call on the UK health authorities to review the intramuscular injection technique used in the delivery of mRNA vaccines. Currently, after insertion of the needle the syringe is not aspirated to ensure the tip of the needle in not in a blood vessel.

This leaves open the possibility of inadvertent intravascular administration, resulting in systemic spread of the mRNA particles in seconds. This would mean that mRNA vaccine particles would circulate, in a relatively undiluted form through the vessels of the major organs of the body.

This video is specific to the current mRNA vaccines, I continue to promote the massive benefits of other forms of vaccination in the UK and around the world.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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The idiocy never fails to shock me. I should be used to it, but I am still shocked by it. This one will go down in the history books :(


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UK will not impose mandatory Covid test on visitors from China as ‘megawave’ SURGES through country
China has seen a huge increase in cases of Covid after the mass lifting of lockdown rules across the country

George McMillan Senior Digital Producer
Published thursday 29 December 2022 - 09:28

The UK will not impose mandatory Covid tests on visitors arriving from China as cases surge across the country.

Scientists have predicted that there will be over one million Covid-related deaths next year after China’s rapid lifting of lockdown restrictions caused a sharp spike in cases across the country.

China made the decision earlier in the month to abolish its “zero-Covid” approach which included mass lockdowns and testing.

The Chinese public grew increasingly frustrated at the measures, many of which the West have not had imposed on them in over a year.

Protesters began taking to the streets, using blank sheets of paper to express their anger in a rare, widespread outpouring of public dissent.

However, as a result of the restrictions being lifted, the virus has started to run rampant through the country, whose population sits at 1.4billion.

Now, the US has joined Italy, India, Taiwan, South Korea, Malaysia and Japan in announcing new measures after the abrupt end of Beijing’s zero-Covid policy sparked a surge in cases.

However, a UK Government spokesperson said: “There are no plans to reintroduce Covid-19 testing or additional requirements for arrivals into the UK.”

The spokesperson added the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) will continue to closely monitor the prevalence and spread of harmful variants and keep available international data under review.

In the US, starting on January 5, all travellers from China will be required to take a Covid-19 test no more than two days before travel and provide a negative test before getting on their flight.

The testing applies to anyone two years and older.

I had a very cynical thought. From what we're reading on twitter, 'the horse may already be out of the barn' in the UK anyway. It could be the gov't would rather have a good scapegoat to blame their new surge on - blame it on the Chinese rather than admit it was already brewing there before the Chinese started flying in. :shr:

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psychgirl

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I had a very cynical thought. From what we're reading on twitter, 'the horse may already be out of the barn' in the UK anyway. It could be the gov't would rather have a good scapegoat to blame their new surge on - blame it on the Chinese rather than admit it was already brewing there before the Chinese started flying in. :shr:

HD
Could be, could be!
 

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I had a very cynical thought. From what we're reading on twitter, 'the horse may already be out of the barn' in the UK anyway. It could be the gov't would rather have a good scapegoat to blame their new surge on - blame it on the Chinese rather than admit it was already brewing there before the Chinese started flying in. :shr:

HD
there are plans afoot. Never let a good crisis go to waste
 

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'Pfizer and Moderna better get this clarified': Study finds worse antibodies after mRNA boosters
Increased proportion of post-booster IgG4 antibodies, known for helping humans adapt to allergies, "might result in longer viral persistence in case of infection," German researchers conclude. Italian study found IgG4 concentration correlated with COVID-related mortality.

By Greg Piper
Updated: December 28, 2022 - 11:12pm

A new peer-reviewed study is raising concerns that a third dose of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may actually worsen immune response against COVID-19, creating waves in both mainstream and heterodox COVID circles.

Published in Science Immunology last week, the study by German researchers found that mRNA boosting induced a high level of so-called IgG4 antibodies, a subclass known for prompting a mild immune response, in two cohorts of several dozen healthcare workers.

The "shift" to this IgG subclass was "not seen with adenovirus vector vaccines" in the study, Scripps Research Translational Institute Director Eric Topol, who was not involved in the research, tweeted while cautioning that "clinical significance is not known."

"Pfizer and Moderna better get this clarified," California gastroenterologist Farid Jalali, who once pressured the FDA to fast-track COVID vaccines for infants, wrote in response to Topol before marking his account private.

The research is just the latest to prompt scrutiny of federal vaccine recommendations and ongoing professional and educational mandates, particularly for college students, a demographic with low COVID risks but elevated risks of post-jab heart inflammation.

The CDC still recommends everyone 6 months and older receive a full series and booster of the original Wuhan strain vaccine, topped off with the new bivalent Wuhan-Omicron booster, regardless of COVID risk level or likelihood of adverse reactions.

The agency's own research has found superior protection against reinfection from natural immunity when compared to mRNA vaccines as well as low bivalent effectiveness against symptomatic infection, to the point where two doses protect better than three.

IgG4 antibodies, known for their noninflammatory properties, constituted just 0.04% of all IgG subclasses shortly after the second mRNA dose, the German study says. The fourth subclass started ramping up several months after the full series and reached a high of 19.27% "late after the third vaccination."

"Importantly, this class switch was associated with a reduced capacity of the spike-specific antibodies to mediate antibody-dependent cellular phagocytosis [ingesting and eliminating pathogens] and complement deposition," the study's introduction says.

Serum samples taken after the booster and "normalized to the amount of anti-spike antibodies yielded significant[ly] lower phagocytic scores than sera from the same donors after two immunizations," the study found.

The increased IgG4 "might result in longer viral persistence in case of infection," according to the researchers, most of whom are associated with the University of Erlangen-Nuremberg. The findings "may have consequences for the choice and timing" of mRNA vaccine regimens, including subsequent boosters.

Co-author Kilian Schober wrote in a tweet thread that the 1-in-5 proportion of IgG4 after boosting jumped to 40-80% of antibodies after subsequent breakthrough infections, which is "very unusual."

While the researchers "saw improved antibody avidity [accumulated binding] and cross-neutralization after 3rd vs. 2nd vaccination," he said, the "fragment crystallizable" antibody functions on cell receptors "are indeed deteriorated (!)."

But Schober also cautioned against the view "among some anti-vax circles," prompted by the paper's preprint release this summer, that mRNA vaccines are inducing "tolerance" to infection rather than fighting it.

The study didn't answer whether "the class switch [is] irrelevant in terms of consequences on subsequent infections," he said. It is "conceivable" that the noninflammatory IgG4 response prevents "immunological over-activation while virus is still being neutralized [blocked from entering] via high-avidity antibody variable regions."

The IgG4 subclass is associated with increased COVID-related mortality, according to a letter by Italian researchers published in Elvesier's European Journal of Internal Medicine a year ago.

"Because anti-spike IgG4 have shown poor in vitro neutralizing capacity compared to IgG1, IgG2, and IgG3 antibodies, a first possibility is that hosts with prominent IgG4 immune responses might be more permissive to SARS-CoV-2 infection," according to those San Raffaele Scientific Institute researchers.

The German paper cites their Italian colleagues as well as an early-pandemic Brazilian study that found "early onset and high levels" of IgG4 antibodies correlated with a "more severe" COVID progression from infection, "which might indicate a less effective antibody response." But it is "also possible that a more severe infection leads to an IgG4 response and not vice versa."

Just the News asked the FDA and CDC for their evaluation of the study and how it might affect their promotion of "up to date" vaccination and future booster authorizations. The FDA said it might not be able to give an answer until January, while the CDC didn't respond. Pfizer and Moderna didn't respond to queries either.

Philippines doctor Michael David Sy, who wrote a book critical of the country's COVID response, said the German research had prompted him to "recommend against mRNA boosters unless more studies debunk this one or more comprehensive studies surface."

The IgG4 switch is "great if it's a benign or inert substance, like pollen, but NOT with virulent entities like COVID-19," he wrote. "Successive mRNA boosts no longer seem to be a salient answer in our fight against COVID-19."

Former New York Times drug industry reporter Alex Berenson also invoked allergies as a common prompt for IgG4 response.

Unlike IgG1-3, the fourth subclass "does little to help other immune system cells attack viral or bacterial invaders directly," Berenson wrote in a review of prior IgG4 research. Beekeepers, for example, have high IgG4 concentrations from repeat exposure to bee venom.

While the fourth subclass can still neutralize the virus and IgG antibodies aren't the only defense, he said, the German research "offers more evidence that mRNA booster campaigns need to be immediately restricted." Scientists also must study the post-vaccination sickness level of those with high IgG4 levels compared to those with low levels, Berenson said.


There seems to be a lot of substack articles about this study. I am not going to post all of them, but if you are interested in further following up on this I will post all the links so you can do your own reading off the thread.








 

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Here is Dr. John Campbell's video for today on youtube. It's about China again. He is on the opposite side of the spectrum on this than any one worrying about a Geert Variant. He is of the mind that this is a very mild Omicron variant and that it just needs to run through the Chinese population to give them natural immunity and there is no worry about them spreading it to the rest of the world, as they are mostly immune to Omicron by now. It's certainly a good sedative for any "geer related anxiety" anyone has. He is pretty traditional, until yesterday's video on Rumble that I posted earlier today, he was very pro-vaccine. Interesting that he changed his mind on vaccines at the same time he's feeling no worries about what's happening in China. (not implying anything, just noting it's interesting!). Also in case you weren't aware, he has 2.6 million subscribers and his videos typically get around 500,000-700,000 views.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCMj_ZGNhaU
China, tens of millions infected
Dr. John Campbell
2.6M subscribers
Dec 29, 2022
19 min 36 sec

China enters second wave Poor data, cases, infections, hospitalisations, deaths, genomes https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/c... Population 1,412,600,000 Will be infected in next 6 weeks Daily new infection rate over an 8 week period Per week = 176,575,000 Per day = 25,225,011 World meter https://www.worldometers.info/coronav... Actual deaths https://covid19.healthdata.org/china?... Over the next 3 months Therefore about 100,000 deaths per month About 3,300 per day Population 1,412,600,000 Infection fatality rate = 0.000207 Main variants https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/20221... https://asiatimes.com/2022/12/new-ste... Omicron, BF.7, (BA.5.2.1.7) Sub-lineage of omicron variant BA.5 Italy https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-new... Flight into Milan’s Malpensa airport Mandatory Covid tests for flights from China December 26 First flight, 38% tested positive Second flight, 52% tested positive Positives to be used for genomic testing Spallanzani Institute, Italy, Infectious diseases hospital It would be better if the coordination of surveillance should take place at a European level Screening passengers from China Italy, US, India, Japan, Malaysia, Taiwan UK not testing arrivals from China 26 direct flights due in January Half a million visitors per year Immune-evasive / more transmissible variant Lots of people infected today Some with immune compromise Ongoing contact with potential animal reservoirs Potential for reverse zoonosis Professor Aris Katzourakis, Evolution and Genomics, University of Oxford I am not going to predict a direction, but there will be a whole lot of opportunity for rapid change Xu Wenbo, China, Center for Disease Control and Prevention More than 130 omicron sublineages, detected in China over the last three months The fact that 1.4 billion people are suddenly exposed to SARS-CoV-2 obviously creates conditions prone to emerging variants Antoine Flahault, Institute of Global Health, University of Geneva Any variants, when more transmissible than the previous dominant ones, definitely represent threats, since they can cause new waves When is a covid death a covid death? https://www.theguardian.com/world/202... http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/s3574/20221... Prof Wang Guiqiang, National Health Commission Revised its guidelines, to scientifically and objectively reflect deaths caused by the coronavirus pandemic Only fatalities caused by pneumonia and respiratory failure Not deaths caused by cardiovascular, cerebrovascular diseases, blood clots, sepsis the main cause of death from infection with Omicron is the underlying diseases
 

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Hong Kong Is Dropping Its Vaccine Pass System From 29 December 2022. Unvaccinated and Partially Vaccinated Can Now Access Restaurants and Public Venues.
Quarantine and visitor entry requirements are also being relaxed. Only mask mandates remain. Vaccine uptake & boosting is high. Cases and deaths are climbing. Excess Deaths Not Released since August.
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Dec 28


Following China's lead Hong Kong is relaxing pandemic measures from tomorrow 29th December 2022; specifically the vaccine pass, testing of visitors prior to entry, and quarantine requirements.

Under prior requirements even children as young as 5 were required to be triple jabbed to access venues.



Only mask mandates will remain, ironically one of the most tightly clung to, but inutile measures. I suspect too much face would be lost if everything was relaxed at once!



We cannot forget these heartbreaking images of Hong Kong children playing flutes, double masked.



Meanwhile primary series uptake is just over 90% and boosters are at nearly 86%. 3rd boosters were being pushed.



It is going not very well in terms of cases and deaths, which both continue to climb.





The authorities (Chief Executive John Lee Ka-chiu) claim they are relaxing Covid-19 measures as cases are controlled due to vaccine uptake.



No excess death data has been released since August 2022. This would be important data to have updated.



If this soaring cases and deaths scenario is controlled, I would hate to see how they would define uncontrolled!

Nevertheless the relaxation is a big step in the right direction. I have friends and colleagues celebrating in Hong Kong right now. Hong Kong has been one of the hardest places on the planet to withstand pressure to take these products.
Those who refused were excluded from society, attending job sites, and meetings, and restaurant dining. My vaccinated colleagues had to submit daily antigen tests to company management before going to work / attending project sites.

Hong Kong had a huge culture of eating out. Many tiny flats had barely any cooking facilities; eating out and street food was a way of life. Will some semblance of normality return? Time will tell!

I doubt we will see return to normality because the reverberations of these pandemic measures are still emerging and will take years for the debris to settle.
 

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End of the Pandemic: Israel to Downgrade Coronavirus to Flu Status
Deborah Brand
29 Dec 20220

Israel will declare the coronavirus pandemic officially over next month, with the viral disease being downgraded to the status of the flu.

As of Jan. 18, the country’s civilian health system will be handed responsibility for all Covid-related treatment and testing, taking over from the Home Front Command.

On the last day of January, the coronavirus will be categorized alongside influenza. The pandemic control center will be shuttered, and Covid patients will no longer require isolation.

According to Professor Cyrille Cohen, a member of the Health Ministry’s advisory council for clinical Covid vaccine trials, the goal was to get the virus to an “endemic” stage, with the disease spreading at an expected rate.

“We’re hoping that our health care system can cope with these winter infections, including Covid,” Cohen told i24NEWS.

Israel announced this week unvaccinated tourists will be allowed entry from March 1, as the country begins rolling back most coronavirus restrictions. Israel to Allow Unvaccinated Tourists into the Country
— Breitbart News (@BreitbartNews) February 21, 2022

“We are more in a scenario where we are behaving like any other viral disease in the winter,” he added, noting that most of the public had moved on from the pandemic with less mask-wearing and many people not getting tested.

Meanwhile, the former head of the Israel Institute for Biological Research, the government institution behind Israel’s failed coronavirus vaccine-attempt, this week drew outrage after tweeting he made a mistake by allowing himself to be vaccinated by the Pfizer-BioNtech vaccine.

“I erred three times: when I received the first dose, the second dose and the third dose,” Prof. Shmuel Shapira posted this week.

After a coronavirus-related delay, Israel’s navy is preparing for the long-awaited arrival of its next generation of missile boats. Israeli Navy Prepares for Arrival of New Upgraded Warships
— Breitbart News (@BreitbartNews) October 4, 2020

In an interview with Channel 12 News last week, Shapira said he sought to “warn against those who say it saved many lives in Israel. It has many severe side effects, and apparently people have lost their lives because of it. They’re trying to paper this over a bit.”

Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz called Shapira’s remarks “ridiculous and damaging,” adding that he’s “joining the conspiratorial wave of COVID-deniers damaging the public’s trust in the health system. His behavior is shameful.”
 

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Hong Kong Asks Japan to Lift Airport Bans, France and Australia Say No Restrictions on Chinese Travelers Needed
John Hayward
29 Dec 20220

The Beijing-controlled government of Hong Kong on Thursday asked Japan to retract its restriction on incoming flights from China, while France and Australia separately announced they saw no reason to impose special restrictions on Chinese travelers, even as China experiences the biggest coronavirus surge of the entire pandemic.

China loosened its own travel restrictions this week, even as the coronavirus spread like wildfire across the entire country. Activity at Chinese travel sites skyrocketed with the biggest travel season in Asia fast approaching.

India, Italy, Japan, and Taiwan responded by announcing mandatory coronavirus tests and other restrictions on travelers from China and a few other parts of Asia. Italy quickly discovered that almost half of the passengers on the first two flights from China tested positive for Chinese coronavirus.

Japan, a top travel destination for China that only began reopening its tourist industry a few months ago, decided to funnel all China traffic to four airports – two in Tokyo, one in Osaka, and the fourth in Nagoya. This necessarily involved reducing the total number of flights to and from China.

Hong Kong, which relaxed almost all of its coronavirus policies on Thursday despite posting 20,000 new cases a day, objected to this reduction of air traffic to Japan and said it was “disappointed” that some 60,000 passengers would be inconvenienced.

“We think that Hong Kong people should be allowed to use not just these four airports,” Hong Kong chief executive John Lee said.

Japan relented slightly and said it would permit flights from Hong Kong to three additional airports, including one in Okinawa, as long as none of the passengers had visited mainland China for the preceding seven days. Japan also said departures to Hong Kong would be allowed from all airports to “minimize the impact to Hong Kong travelers.”

These looser restrictions were still denounced as “unreasonable” by Hong Kong, possibly because they were seen as embarrassing to the mainland government. The South China Morning Post (SCMP) said on Thursday that Hong Kong officials are “liaising” with the Japanese consulate to “express grave concern over the situation and strongly request that Tokyo rescind the flight curbs.”

The SCMP reported Hong Kong carriers, including flagship airline Cathay Pacific, have cut dozens of flights from January schedules and informed passengers that some Japanese airports will require verification they have not visited the mainland for seven days. Angry Hong Kong residents jammed travel agency lines to demand refunds for canceled Japanese vacations.

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese announced on Thursday that his country would make no changes in rules for Chinese travelers at this time, although he said his administration will “continue to monitor the situation” in China and around the world.

China and Australia only recently began to mend their relationship after severe strains during the pandemic, especially China’s rage at Australia’s insistence on investigating the true origins of the coronavirus. Australia is still trying to get China to lift some import bans imposed in retaliation for Australia’s curiosity about the coronavirus.

French health officials also said on Thursday they saw no reason to impose tighter controls on Chinese travelers, while also reserving the right to change their opinion in the future.

“From a scientific point of view, there is no reason to bring back controls at the border… but that could change any day,” Brigitte Autran, head of France’s committee for assessing health risks, said.

“The variants circulating in China are all Omicron variants, which have circulated in France and against which we have acquired immunity,” Autran said.
 
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