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Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Ummm...useless. Those pads all have a fluid impenetrable barrier that would be impossible to breath through. Try it and you'd be breathing around it instead of through it. Again...useless.

Are you sure about that?

I thought they were designed to breathe, to some degree.
 

Leigh19717

Senior Member
I don't pop onto Facebook often, nor do I have a wide circle of friends. But I do belong to a few different groups. Seems like every time I take a look at my newsfeed, I see a post that is alarming and that may indicate the virus is already spreading far more than we may realize. (Edited to add that this person lives in the Knoxville, TN area)

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About 20 minutes from me....ugggggg
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Ummm...useless. Those pads all have a fluid impenetrable barrier that would be impossible to breath through. Try it and you'd be breathing around it instead of through it. Again...useless.

Right and the fact the virus spread through the contact it had with exposed eyes…

Expert says coronavirus is spread through eyes as killer disease 'shuts down China'

Wang Guangfa, who contracted Coronavirus but since recovered, says protective eye wear as well as mouth masks are a must

ByKelly-Ann Mills

  • 15:35, 24 JAN 2020
  • Updated 22:42, 24 JAN 2020

A top medic who contracted Coronavirus says the deadly respiratory disease is so contagious it can be transmitted through the eyes.

Wang Guangfa, who was a leading figure in helping China fight Sars in 2003, himself caught the virus but has since recovered.

Mr Wang says he believes he became infected because he did not have protective eyewear.

The respiratory specialist at Beijing’s Peking University First Hospital had reportedly been ridiculed in some parts of the media after he contracted the disease despite saying it was “preventable and controllable” two weeks ago.

The expert has now claimed that he may have contracted the disease because of a lack of eye protection when visiting fever clinics and isolation wards in Wuhan, in Hubei province, where the outbreak emerged.

His warning comes as 14 patients tested for coronavirus in the UK were given the all-clear, although checks are now being carried out on more people.

news comes as it emerged doctors treating sick patients are collapsing at work as hospitals become 'overwhelmed' in one city, the Daily Star reports.

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Expert Wang Guangfa contracted coronavirus but has since recovered (Image: AsiaWire)

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3D illustration of Coronavirus which has already claimed lives (Image: Getty Images/iStockphoto)
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I am wondering why we have seen none of them home remedies:
How I Beat the Coronavirus.
1. zinc twice a day.
2. D3 twice a day.
3. big bulk sized vitamin C - chew up a tab ever hour or so
3. Campbells Chicken noodle soup twice a day with 10 shakes of Louisiana Hot Sauce and two Jalepenos.
4. Mucinex
5. robitussen.
6. 4 ounces of pickle juice 3 times a day
You know, something like that.

yes, i know . . . won't work . . . but you could make a million selling pickle juice
don't be mean . . . the government does the same thing with the Flu shot and ya'll gobble that shit up every year
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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#1 thing ladies hate is "leaks". They are designed to wick and absorb on the top layer, and barrier everything away from the undies with the bottom layer.

I thought it was very absorbent, not necessarily impermeable.

ETA: Not something I have in inventory. Maybe I'll go to wallyworld, open several types and see if I can breathe through them. :D
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
Thank you to all here that have worried and worked tirelessly to offer info and hope. I have run out of hope. The ability to stop or control this thing on a large scale or on a personal scale seems to be like trying to hold a cup of water in your hands without losing a drop, it can't be done.

TPTB must know something we don't or worse and most likely, these are the same brain dead idiots who allow shit on the streets, worship at the alter of all things depraved and are gleeful to kill all of us. I smell a take down of america by the globalist and it seems the cdc is baby stepping us in that direction letting us know early on we will be treated to the same compassion we see in china with a lock down.

Those who survive it will come out of the camps to see a whole new world order has sprung up.

IMHO, this was done on purpose. DJT winning has caused the demonic elite to stomp the peddle to the medal.
 

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
I remember when I was 12, me and my friend Bill were looking to make a few bucks. Bill's dad drove a cattle truck and he offered us $5 a piece to clean the trailer. Trailer was parked at the slaughter house and backed up to a fire hose. So we climbed up to the top level of the trailer, opened the hatch, and turned that fire hose onto about 2 foot deep of wet, soupy cow manure . . . OMG!! It was like armaghedon . . . that shit just exploded and wet everwhere. We were covered head to toe.

My beloved Dad worked the railroad. Whenever I would complain about my job, he would recall his starter gig at the bottom of the Southern Pacific totem pole: "Beats shoveling shit out of cattle cars."
 
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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Thank you to all here that have worried and worked tirelessly to offer info and hope. I have run out of hope. The ability to stop or control this thing on a large scale or on a personal scale seems to be like trying to hold a cup of water in your hands without losing a drop, it can't be done.

TPTB must know something we don't or worse and most likely, these are the same brain dead idiots who allow shit on the streets, worship at the alter of all things depraved and are gleeful to kill all of us. I smell a take down of america by the globalist and it seems the cdc is baby stepping us in that direction letting us know early on we will be treated to the same compassion we see in china with a lock down.

Those who survive it will come out of the camps to see a whole new world order has sprung up.

IMHO, this was done on purpose. DJT winning has caused the demonic elite to stomp the peddle to the medal.

Buck up m'dear. At least 98% of infected recover. Anyway, that's how it's looking so far. Should be better data incoming as this spreads out in the population.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Those of you who are simply trying to minimize problems with a disruption in trade in China, are optimist. India, Italy, Korea, and Japan will soon be added to the no travel list. Eventually, most trade between most countries will be shut down. Then trade between states will be shut down. Then trade between cities.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Believe it or not, Maxi-pads are made of the same material as N-100 masks. The ones with wings on them. At least that is what an engineer told me. You asked..

They're made in layers. You'd have to peel apart the layers to keep the filtering part and discard the gel-absorbent part. Question is whether there's stitching that would destroy the integrity as a filtering device. If the gel/absorbent is impregnating the filter material, it's useless.

My first preference was coffee filters, but vacuum bag filters have a lot of appeal. Large pieces that can be pieced out for mask patterns. If I were considering this, I'd be scarfing up all the vacuum bags I could find. Goodwill always has them, and size/model doesn't matter.
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I must say I feel a lil vindicated re: taking myself off BP meds awhile back. At the time I did not understand my sense of timing or the decision. Now, I'm doubly greatful that I listen to my inner voice and step out on faith, and that i've had the extra time to work out alternatives.

Last year I managed to get my BP from 160/105 to 110/70(where it was before I gained the weight back) I lost 30 lbs and it went back to normal. Now, I just don't let it get out of hand.
I also got away from taking antacids. Noticed when I did not take them for awhile, I didn't need them as much. I made a concerted effort to not take them for 2 weeks. That was 2 years ago. I haven't taken them more than 3 times since.

I do take asprin, chrondroitin/glucosamine, and curcumen/turmeric.

My chlosterol is high, but as long as my BP is in order, I don't have hardening of the arteries(according to my cardiologist)
I do try to stay on a Atkins-type diet, so my triglycerides stay low.


Southside
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Roughly 20% get this serious or critical and need to be hospitalized. If half the nation gets it, then 10% of our population will need to be hospitalized for up to 6-8 weeks.

This is a bio weapon that was designed not to kill everyone quickly like ebola, but to shut down civilization for extended periods.

Good help us!
Maths: If only 10% get the serious version,which has sometimes happened, at 300 million people in this country and if half of get infected, that's still 15 million people needing serious Care. A post earlier here said there are about 970,000 hospital beds in the US. So that means there is one hospital bed for every 15 people who will need it. That is starting to sound like China.

Do my maths sound correct? Maths is hard! This reminds me of a famous science fiction story called the cold equations. A woman had sneaked aboard a space craft that only had a certain amount of fuel and oxygen. And they literally could not get to their destination with her aboard. The equation showed that there was not enough fuel and oxygen. So someone had to go.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
I'm not sure that I agree with the premise of the article that the virus has any effect whatsoever on the actual bacteria.

I read the autopsy report of a COVID victim and here is a basic overview (if you are interested). Note: the picture is from a horse but the function is the same.

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The small sacs in your lungs where oxygen and CO2 is exchanged look a lot like this. If you can see, there are two types of cells called pneumocytes. The Type I pneumocytes is where gas exchange occurs--they are very, very thin and gas diffuses across the cell into the blood and vice versa. The Type 2 pneumocytes produce what is called surfactant and, in recovery, differentiate into new type 1 pneumocytes. Surfactant helps keep the alveoli open whenever you exhale. Its like surface tension of water. When babies are born too early these Type 2 pneumocytes are not working well and there is no surfactant. Essentially every alveoli collapses with each breath. Just like when you are blowing up a balloon that first bit is much, much harder to inflate than it is after you have gotten the balloon halfway inflated. Surfactant keeps the alveoli halfway inflated.

This virus attacks these pneumocytes. It damages the Type 1 cells causing them to thicken, swell, and eventually die. The Type 2 cells eventually begin to die as well. As you can imagine these diseased Type 1 cells make it harder to diffuse oxygen. Without type 2 cells your alveoli collapse and it becomes very hard to breath. Physiologically it turns your lungs into those of a premature baby. We treat you the same--steroids, ventilation with positive pressure (keep those alveoli open mechanically!) and high dose oxygen (steeper diffusion gradient).

That is not ALL that this virus does, but it is the mechanism that is most likely to cause death.

That said, get your pneumonia shot. That mess of dead cells, collapsed alveoli is PRIME breeding ground for bacteria that cause pneumonia.

Doc rondaben, what do you think of using a diffuser to deep breath in colloidal silver to kill virii in the lungs. Also, what are the best antibiotics for (if your fish get) pneumonia?
 
If I was doing it, I would use a tight weave cotton/poly in layers enough that droplets probably wouldn't penetrate, but that was still breathable. Make plenty so they could be changed often if caring for sick family members, drop into bleach water solution for 5 minutes or so, and air dry...preferably outside in the sun. Yes...the bleach solution will rot the fabric after a series of uses, so a need to discard eventually.

As you said...better than nothing. Quite possibly a LOT better than nothing although if this this as as communicable as it's looking...I expect that one household member will inevitably infect all household members. Frankly, I am not seeing that N-95's are cutting down very effectively on numbers of health care workers getting the bug...at least not foolproof to say the least.

what about gortex?
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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They're made in layers. You'd have to peel apart the layers to keep the filtering part and discard the gel-absorbent part. Question is whether there's stitching that would destroy the integrity as a filtering device. If the gel/absorbent is impregnating the filter material, it's useless.

My first preference was coffee filters, but vacuum bag filters have a lot of appeal. Large pieces that can be pieced out for mask patterns. If I were considering this, I'd be scarfing up all the vacuum bags I could find. Goodwill always has them, and size/model doesn't matter.

I wouldn't want to destroy the integrity of the layers.

Hell, an absorbent gel might sequester some of the moisture out of your breath?

I've made a quick look for the ASTM specs on that material, looking for airflow characteristics, in particular....no joy.

Walkntrot's blanket statement doesn't ring true to me, now I'm on a mission. :lol:
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I just found out that our son and dil have come down with the flu! They have been on vacation for a week in the Smokey Mtns. DIL is Japanese, and she got hit with it first! They got back from their vacation Monday. They have isolated themselves at home, but I'm really concerned! I think they plan to tough it out, and try to treat themselves as long as they can, BUT...…...Did I say that I was very concerned?
 
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coalcracker

Veteran Member
My beloved Dad worked the railroad. Whenever I would complain about my job, he would recall HIS starter gig at the bottom of the Southern Pacific totem pole: "Beats shoveling shit out of cattle cars."

Excellent!

My dad, who worked in the coal mines, liked to give me tough jobs and say, "I'm making you tough enough to throw chain" (apparently the hardest job in the mines). Truth is his goal was always for me to be educated and never need to work in the mines, and he made sure that happened.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
RE: post #16,952.

What would be the best material for home brewed masks?

Going on the assumption that something is better than nothing.
Haven’t tried it, but I saw one guy that was making them out of the high allergen ac filters by using the outer fabric layers. He might have the wuflu by now, but it’s an idea to research further at least.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Doc rondaben, what do you think of using a diffuser to deep breath in colloidal silver to kill virii in the lungs. Also, what are the best antibiotics for (if your fish get) pneumonia?

Honestly I'm not very familiar with colloidal silver. I don't think that it would be a good idea inhale it, however. The thought behind CS is that contact with organisms will kill the pathogen. Topically silver compounds can work very well for this purpose. Viruses, however, typically spend a good amount of their life living INSIDE cells, so there is no direct contact between the CS and the actual virions.

Oral CS can interfere with the absorption of some antibiotics and thyroid and heart medications. I would probably not do oral CS either during an active infection because you do want the antibiotics to work as effectively as possible to prevent an opportunistic bacterial infection on top of the virus.

Its hard to make a blanket statement about what antibiotics would be most effective for your fish. For me, I like to keep Doxycyline on hand. The really good stuff like Moxyfloxacin is only available for humans.
 

Border Collie Dad

Flat Earther
Excellent!

My dad, who worked in the coal mines, liked to give me tough jobs and say, "I'm making you tough enough to throw chain" (apparently the hardest job in the mines). Truth is his goal was always for me to be educated and never need to work in the mines, and he made sure that happened.

That was my parents, too.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
Supply chain issues beginning to hit me personally now, but luckily nothing terribly important (this time). I ordered patio furniture for the new house from Macy's a few weeks ago and just received an email informing me of a (long) delay.

"Unfortunately, we must inform you of an unexpected delay with the receipt of your merchandise from the manufacturing vendor to our warehouse. The anticipated receipt date has been changed to 05/05/2020."

So China expects to be able to supply the furniture by May. Somehow I won't be surprised if the delay lasts a bit longer than that too.....
 
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