CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I have been taking great comfort in the following quote from Lt. Colonel Dave Grossman I found online back on October 13th, 2017.

"WHEN GOD IS FINISHED WITH ME, I WILL GO. NOT ONE SECOND PRIOR AND NOT ONE SECOND AFTER."

If I am meant to die a miserable death from this China Plague, a BIO WEAPON created by evil men, Godless Marxist scum, without honor, or any sign of humanity, then so be it.
 

jward

passin' thru
I looked everywhere! Except there... :/

Thanks!
the bell on that top right horizontal bar also has a link to all sorts of areas, including bookmarks.
click it, look at lower right of screen that pops up, and select "preferences" and you'll end up in
a smokey back room with all sorts of nifty options...including, again, access to bookmarks...
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
That would be nuking the barn after the horse was in another country.

Treat it like a bio-hazard area. We’re not gonna trust the next set of fools that don mask and white jump suits anytime soon there.

They cannot continue the on-the-cheap production model of business as usual with Bio-4 material labs.

Attempting to save face in the face of FUBAR violates not only cultural but humanitarian realities.

You know who’s going to rip the $#!+ off the lid of reality and expunge the big fat chameleon sitting on this bag of beans?

...The actuaries and insurance companies.

Act of god...

or

Act of war?

One way or another, they will hash it out, and that may take us to the next level.
 
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Allotrope

Inactive
In the not distant future, those that have prepared may become quite hated instead of ridiculed. Misery loves company and with the me mentality that has become so ubiquitous in society, it will be seen as unjust that anyone else has something you need. The basic tenet of socialism is everyone has the lowest common denominator of anything leading eventually to everyone having nothing. The younger in society have not had the life experiences to see where their ideas lead to and some of the older ones never developed this skill either.

A few people know that I am prepared for ice storms and the like but I try not to advertise most aspects of what I do. I have mentioned this virus to some and commented that it may cause supply shortages but other than that, those that are willing to take note have ample resources to find out. It appears that there is still a while before large effects are felt here and I do not want to be on the receiving end of “blame the messenger”. That day when everyone is talking about it you will just be one of the crowd, but until then I am being more cautious.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We all have a front row seat to the control. How's that working out for you?

99% of the people who go to the hospital are going to get there AFTER the staff has already gotten the virus and the staff will be down by 80% to 95%. The Chinese-made medicines will have been exhausted, and we will be out of masks. This is third-world medical care. Wonder what the fatality rate will be then.

At that point, you're as well off if you stay at home and sacrifice a small quadruped.
This is the true worst case scenario for our country. It has occurred to me that because we can no longer manufacture pharmaceuticals in this country, or PPE equipment or respirators, that maybe we're not really, technically, fully first world any more.
 

homepark

Resist
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Just the other day, Zac and I were at the gym, well, I was in the last decade, no, most guys look like me, not Zac. Now I get joint aches just thinking about going. Don't think Zac is a health professional, but you gals can dream!
 

1911user

Veteran Member
That'd probably do it. Virus does not like heat.
Dr Hatfill told me PPE masks put in clothes dryer on high heat would do it, too.
So, I'm sure paper money similarly exposed would also neutralize the virus, too.

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
"PPE masks in the dryer on high heat"--Does that include N95 masks?

My concern as well. See this post: http://xf.timebomb2000.com/xf/index.php?threads/main-coronavirus-thread.566780/post-7575318
 

Craftypatches

Veteran Member
I bought 1 set of two n-95 masks. I should have bought more but didn’t at the time, rather costly. I was wondering if you could put it in microwave along with water or even vinegar and microwave them to reuse them. Would that kill the virus?
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Now Haven't posted much but having been following this ... it is slowly spreading and it is just a matter of time when it comes to a community near you do think. In this modern day world, everything is global. Now with it being in Vietnam do think is a big changer. It is not just a China Virus anymore. In how few days could is be all over Southeast Asia like in Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand also with the virus slowly spreading outward. Then of what of all the travelers heading here and there in the world with the long incubation rates of this virus. Then of all the economic repercussions involved also. And then on .... already making my plans, soon time to bug out to my secret wilds areas to live with using the good wild edible and medicinal plants and live by my lonesome. It could be awhile till this is over in my opinion.
Sure is good to see you post! You’ll probably be among the last surviving people. Make us all proud when you start re-populating the Earth (with help of course)!
 

jward

passin' thru

Some Info debunking the idea that masks can be recycled or reused----j

Source: 水煮、喷酒精、照紫外线…… 防病毒口罩不能用这些方法循环使用 - 冠状,都是,再利用,防病毒,很难 - 科技日报 - 汉丰网

Boiled, sprayed with alcohol, irradiated with ultraviolet light ... Anti-virus masks cannot be recycled in these ways
2020-02-03 02:40:28 Source: Science and Technology Daily

Xinhua News Agency reporter Wang Quanchao

With the continued development of the epidemic, anti-virus masks such as N95 (KN95) and medical surgery are still on the market, and the inventory of masks in many families is about to bottom out. So, the Internet began to spread the "remedy" for reusing used masks in the pot, steaming them, boiling them in water, baking them under the ultraviolet lamp, spraying them with alcohol and then drying them.

At first glance, these methods are completely consistent with the weakness of the new type of coronavirus that is afraid of high temperature, alcohol, and ultraviolet rays, and it can indeed kill the virus on the mask. But can anti-virus masks labeled with "disposable" really be on the "infinite cycle" of use, disinfection and reuse?

The reporter from Science and Technology Daily interviewed Prof. Jin Xiangyu, the deputy director of the Industrial Textile Engineering Center of the Ministry of Education and the Department of Nonwoven Materials and Engineering of Donghua University. He has presided over the completion of the "Development of Anti-SARS Virus Protective Textiles" project for the SARS epidemic.

According to the "New Coronavirus Infected Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment Scheme (Trial Version 4)", "56 ° C for 30 minutes" can effectively inactivate the virus. Can masks be reused by "steaming and boiling"?

Jin Xiangyu: No.
Whether it is N95 or medical surgical masks, their means of achieving "anti-virus" rely on the "filter layer" to adsorb and block micro particles (aerosols) such as viruses, and the filter layer is mainly composed of polypropylene melt-blown ultrafine fibers.

According to design requirements, masks must achieve comfortable barrier ventilation while achieving good barrier effects. Generally, the suction resistance to medical masks cannot exceed 343.2 Pascals (Pa), and the suction resistance of daily protective masks is less than 135 Pascals ( Pa).

Therefore, the mask filter material often needs to undergo "electret treatment" to make it carry a small amount of charge, so that it can still effectively adsorb various particles in the air under relatively fluffy conditions.

There is no doubt that whether it is "steaming" or "boiled", the entry of water will quickly eliminate the charge in the filter layer, resulting in a significant reduction in the filtering effect. At the same time, polypropylene meltblown materials have very thin fibers, which are ten times thinner than hair, with an average of only two microns. They are not resistant to high temperatures. When the temperature is higher than 80 ° C, they will shrink and deform, resulting in structural damage and reduced protective effects.

According to the "New Coronavirus Infected Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment Scheme (Trial Version 4)", 75% ethanol can effectively inactivate the virus. Can the used masks be disinfected with alcohol and then dried and reused?

Jin Xiangyu: No.
On the one hand, the outer surfaces of medical surgical masks and medical N95 masks have undergone a "water-repellent treatment". Alcohol, water, blood, saliva, etc. are difficult to penetrate. The purpose is to strengthen the protection of doctors and prevent liquid spray from coming into contact with patients. Cause cross infection.

Therefore, it is difficult for the surface to be smeared and sprayed with alcohol to disinfect the inside of the medical mask. On the other hand, alcohol can also damage the waterproof structure of the outer layer of the mask. The reason is that the surface tension of alcohol is very different from that of water. The mask material treated with alcohol will enhance the absorption of water (blood, saliva), which will speed up the mask. Filter layer failed.

According to the "New Coronary Virus Infected Pneumonia Diagnosis and Treatment Scheme (Trial Version 4)", the virus is sensitive to ultraviolet rays. Can UV masks and disinfection cabinets be used to disinfect masks for reuse?

Jin Xiangyu: No.
Polypropylene meltblown material is a thermoplastic polymer material, which has poor aging resistance and is very sensitive to ultraviolet rays. After being irradiated with ultraviolet rays, the structure will be destroyed or oxidatively degraded, which will greatly reduce the filtration performance.

The research team has conducted experiments. If N95-level masks are steamed, washed, and sterilized by UV lamps, its filtration efficiency will be rapidly reduced from 95% to less than 60%, which is similar to ordinary gauze masks and cotton masks.

So is there any way to achieve disinfection and reuse of masks?

Jin Xiangyu: For ordinary people, no.
The disinfection method adopted in the mask production process is ethylene oxide gas disinfection, which cannot be achieved by ordinary households. Moreover, the mask continuously absorbs the water vapor exhaled by the human body during use, which gradually causes the charge loss of the filter layer and the decrease of the adsorption capacity. It cannot be recovered even after disinfection and drying, and it will not provide a good protective effect. Under the current epidemic conditions, disinfection and reuse of disposable anti-virus masks should not be promoted.

Although medical surgical masks and medical N95 masks are both "disposable", from the designer's point of view, ordinary people do not need to use a protective mask before throwing them away unless they go to hospitals, large supermarkets or contact with suspected patients. It can be used two or three times to reduce the consumption of mask resources.

Further reading

Why medical masks are mostly blue

The outer layer of the medical surgical mask is blue, on the one hand, to relieve the visual fatigue of the doctor at work. The white coat + white mask will be more "dazzling" under the light, which is not conducive to the doctor's long-term work. On the other hand, the blue surface is water-repellent, and different colors are also reminding the user that this face is outward.

What is the difference between medical surgical masks and N95 (KN95)? From the perspective of appearance, ordinary medical surgical masks are flat masks, while N95 masks are often arched design, and fit better to the face. But the filter layers of both are made of polypropylene meltblown material, but the thickness is different. In general, the area density of the filtering layer of general medical surgical masks is about 20 to 30 grams per square meter, while the density of the filtering layer of N95 masks is about 55 to 60 grams per square meter.
 

1911user

Veteran Member
I bought 1 set of two n-95 masks. I should have bought more but didn’t at the time, rather costly. I was wondering if you could put it in microwave along with water or even vinegar and microwave them to reuse them. Would that kill the virus?
See the post above this.

Very likely it would destroy the filter value of the mask if not the mask itself.

N95 masks are not capable of autoclaving (heat and pressure) like surgical items. The heat would destroy them.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Yeah, and I tried talking about it with my best friend today. Wouldn’t take it seriously. Said something to the effect of, “I can see how this might affect some parts of the economy like car part suppliers, but we don’t plan on buying a car anytime soon. And we don’t know any Chinese people. So thank you for your concern, but I don’t watch the news and refuse to let any negativity into my life. There is no need to have anymore discussions with me about this. If you’re troubled and feeling panicked, I suggest you talk to a pastor or your doctor.”

This was after I brought up medicine shortages, all the other supply chains, the R0 factor, and the quarantines. Whatever. I can’t save everybody. Even using the “better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it” line didn’t sink in.

Prayers sent up for your best friend, and I mean that very sincerely. i don't know how people are having such trouble connecting the dots with matters in life, big and small. It is a very sad epidemic, affecting many, especially for those on the receiving end, such as yourself.

I have been praying for discernment and wisdom.
 

jward

passin' thru
Please also look at the flu trackers site/ link for info regarding masks...obviously it may some day be vitally important issue to get exactly right...
 

1911user

Veteran Member
No one posted a good reason why the method I described in message# 8665 of this thread would not work. I'll use it if required. I did decide on 2 weeks minimum between wearing a mask again based on the virus potentially lasting on surfaces up to 9 days. I read the 9 day idea here but don't have a link handy. The quote below is my idea from post 8665. Also not mentioned was I planned/assumed/own 3M N95 masks with the exhaust valve.

One idea I had for reusing N95-type masks is to simply rotate them. i.e. wear a mask then hang it in dry, warm (not hot) air for a minimum of 1, preferably 2 weeks before wearing it again. This assumes there are no tears, worn spots, or holes. My thought is that should be enough time for a virus to die if they are on the mask and time for it to dry completely. Proper handling of the mask (wearing gloves) after wearing the mask would be required. It seems easier and cheaper to buy a box or 2 of disposable gloves than to pay the ever-rising price for N95 or better masks.

If this is a bad idea, please say why. It won't hurt my feelings and might help people with a limited supply of masks make them last longer.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You may want to rethink that friendship...
People remember that you warned them and show up at your home. I have no use for people who have been warned, yet do nothing.

Yer right, Ma'am... Ah'm the squeeky wheel, here... Pack heavy, an' walk real light. Yuh see, folks cain't get their brains wrapped aroun' this. THEY is responsible fer their safety. Not the cops, not their family er neighbors. Nope, they are. Th Cavalry ain't comin' over th' hill, an' neither Super Man or Super Girl is gonna swoop down ta save yuh. Tha's why I only recommend double action revolvers. Ain't time ta turn yuh inta a rocket scientist. Revolvers, th' "original" point an' click interface... Like me- dirt simple.

Ah'm sure you're geared-up, trained-up, an' rarin' ta go. Shucks, yuh probly could outshoot me! But most folks don't know which end th' bullet comes outta... When "friends" er "family" (very distant in ways o' thinkin') come by fer yer largess, don't hesitate ta shoot 'em- if necessary... He, or she, who hesitates is dead... Ain't no sich thing as "winnin' er losin'." Yer either alive 'er dead.

Now some Christians, an' I'm related ta bunch, don't cotton ta ma way o' thinkin'. In ma mind, I've already said, "Adios" an' "Vaya Con Dios" They've made their decisions...

Now remember, if'n yuh have ta drop th' hammer, don't entertain "survivors remorse." If'n yer in Heaven, yer no earthly good..." God don't need yuh in The Choir right now...

Want an' hope ta see yuh an' yers on th' other side...

Good Luck, and God Speed, John Deere Girl

OA
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
We’ve been doing the same thing. Getting stuff cleaned out that we haven’t done in too long.

Just stopped at our pharmacy to ask the country of origin for hubby’s Lisinopril. They looked it up and said it’s made here in the US. The pharmacist (not a tech or clerk) looked surprised at the idea of many pharmaceuticals being made in China.
And the chemicals that made it came from where?
 

raven

TB Fanatic
correct. and it might be helpful to adopt a different attitude about self quarantine.
you are not locking yourself in to protect others from getting the virus because you do not have it.
you are actually quarantining the rest of the world . . . until they prove they don't have it.
you are not quarantining yourself . . . you are quarantining "THEY"
Self Quarantine probably ranks as an oxymoron.
I am sure you've seen those contagion movies. What is the first thing people try when they find they are quarantined?
They try to escape.
Self Quarantine only applies if you are a communist and have a strong political/religious belief in preservation of the body politic. However, the closer you get to your demise, the greater is your desire for self preservation.
It is human nature.
If you are self quarantined and you become ill, you WILL attempt to seek medical care, you will escape if your will is the only thing keeping you in.
Self Quarantine is propaganda
 
I don't care how many beatings and gunshots they dish out or how many laws- this thing is loose on the world. Being a totalitarian ass about it changes nothing except people's perception. Their grip on power was slipping before this kicked off. I'd imagine it is worse now.

People only submit for so long and then things fall apart. Canned sunshine hasn't started falling yet. Give it a few more weeks. They can't let the world know what it already knows - stupid huh? We figgered that out years ago. Not everybody thinks communism is a good idea. Even if they do live in China. Dangerous times, these.
Every empire, especially China’s, had fallen in a cold spell, like the upcoming GSM. They have lost food production in pork and chickens. What can the virus do to their food production, like rice? Can they import food sufficient to make up for the livestock losses? How bad will the industrial shutdown hurt them? Can we restore our manufacturing fast enough to knock the wind out of them?
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
The most telling dot we've had since the Lancet report. They are letting us know that they expect large numbers soon. CDC basically did the same thing today by saying they were going to start testing for Corona along with regular flu. Once we hit the growth number that they can't handle things will fall apart quickly. It is going to be a tense coming week.
 
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