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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
By the way.... DD..... you never mentioned the type of shot you are using.... for us #4 works very well

OT since they are bigger than a virus, but SPECIFY, shotgun folks- specify. There is #4 shot, and then there is #4 BUCKshot. Might not be the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning, but there IS a difference - and you need to be clear.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The Wuhan lab was researching bat viruses with the goal of being able to bypass the immune system, so they could develop a gene therapy.

For good, or for bad: they were trying to craft something your body wouldn't fight.

Arrogance.

Madness.

And they couldn't have told us this on week one? What other handy factoids can they let slip, I wonder? It is maddening that other scentists and doctors are having to guess and reverse engineer this thing while China is silent. And in the interim, how many medical personnel are lost because they have no idea what they are dealing with? Oh, it's just another coronavirus, like the flu... No- it's not. These people playing with the facts need to be squeezed real hard.
 
I will tell you what I think true panic is. In 1960, when I was like 6 years old, my Dad took.me to see a Jimmy Stewart movie called "The Mountain Road." It had a scene where one of the USArmy soldiers tried to feed some starving Chinese peasants and the peasants rioted and killed him. I NEVER FORGOT THAT MOVIE SCENE
My 16 yo niece (liberal family) said she would feed a stranger if she had extra food. Haven’t asked what would happen when he and his friends got hungry again...
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Especially as this Sunday we will be at the 14 day mark since the Super Bowl. Was wondering if some of the high powered business people who typically attend would have traveled to China or have had colleagues who had done so. But we don't seem to see a spike coming from that just yet. I view this is potentially good news.

I really thought we would see a marked increase of cases right about now due to exposure at the Superbowl... I will wait another week due to the increase in incubation but as you said, a good sign!
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
And they couldn't have told us this on week one? What other handy factoids can they let slip, I wonder? It is maddening that other scentists and doctors are having to guess and reverse engineer this thing while China is silent.

China was hoping you'd buy the random-virus-that-popped-up-in-a-meat-market story. If they told you what was in it, that would have blown their cover. Face is everything.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
My 16 yo niece (liberal family) said she would feed a stranger if she had extra food. Haven’t asked what would happen when he and his friends got hungry again...

In a community prep event before Y2k, I brought up the possibility that people might try to take others' food. One of the liberal participants found that concept so upsetting that he quit the group.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I really thought we would see a marked increase of cases right about now due to exposure at the Superbowl... I will wait another week due to the increase in incubation but as you said, a good sign!

Maybe Superbowl was just a little too early in the trajectory. If there's anything there, I think Mardi Gras is going to bring it out.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Cryptic. Any clue which roads?

I'm still 6 pages back powering through today's updates but that is probably Shanghai as last night they said they were banning all vehicles from entering... 24.5 million people in the city and they, effectively, set up a blockade isolating the city...
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My 16 yo niece (liberal family) said she would feed a stranger if she had extra food. Haven’t asked what would happen when he and his friends got hungry again...

What happens when food is not the only thing they are hungry for? Reality bites. Don't feed strangers. For that matter, don't feed people who haven't proved themselves to you. They are not your problem. Your niece is going to have a rough time unless she faces reality.
 

Allotrope

Inactive
I am glad February is almost half over and warmer weather is approaching. Even if the virus does not abate with warmer weather, heating and outdoor jobs will be much easier should there be massive problems and preparing for the longer term will take less effort. On the down side, face-to-face social interaction and crowds go way up. Personal effort down, external threats up, but as I get older warm is preferred.
 

littlechasingbear

2nd gen. prepper
Warmer weather soon, yay

And with warmer weather, comes the tourists... traveling from all over the country and the world... going to all sorts of places.... yaaaaaay (tone dripping sarcasm) :rolleyes:
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
Off topic but back in the day I swear I caught SARS... I was working at a place that saw 10 million tourist come through every year ( I caught some really bad funk EVERY YEAR until I left... ). Thought I had bronchitis for about a week, then for 3 days I felt fine. On the fourth day it was like a Mac truck hit me. Body aches, chills so bad I'd be shivering ( which only made the body aches worse ) and I was coughing so violently I pulled a muscle in my back AND in my stomach... And, still couldn't stop coughing which was sheer agony with 2 pulled muscles...

Went to an urgent care and my lungs were about 1/3 opaque...

Doc gave me Cipro, Flexerall, and some little white pill that had an "M" inside of a square outline for cough... I don't know what it was but it sure acted like morphine. Cough stopped almost immediately after taking it, flexerall relaxed the muscles and the Cipro knocked out whatever it was I had in about 3 days and ... damn... I felt gooooooood.

Point is... If I catch this Kung Flu, I hope I can find that doctor, again.

:D


That's percocet. mix that with the flexaril - especially in higher doses - can make you forget all your pains and problems.
 
I'm in the process of hacking the crap out of an older Respironics REMstar Plus CPAP to work as an emergency ventilator if needed. The blower motor is rather controllable and I have two extra pressure sensors now in the case. An arduino is going to be the brains behind it, dropping the speed way down to allow an exhale, and then ramping it back up for a preset amount of time to push an inhale cycle.

It was either the REMstar, or I was going to start from scratch with an EDF 90mm Brushless Ducted Fan Unit from Amazon...

I'm also playing with two 10 watt UVC lights (12V) from Amazon along with a HEPA filter in backpack configuration with a 30mm Brushless DFU for a portable positive pressure breather for if it gets really bad and I still have to go out away from the house. A 12V12AH AGM gives me about 3 hours of runtime with some overhead.

Loup
I am barking more up the tree of something a handy person could build in a home workshop. Start with stationary bicycle, put in a belt and pulley to drive another wheel at around one breath per revolution. Make the edge of the wheel into a cog driver (?) that actuated an ambu-bag, bellows, or piston and cylinder. Timing and stroking would be from the cuts on the cog. Making any sense?
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
Just heard on KFAB 1110 out of Omaha that one of the 60 state department evacuees at the Ashland NE national guard camp has been moved to the University of Nebraska Medical Center for testing. No link yet just heard it on the radio, I'll do some digging and post a link if I find one.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
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Exclusive: Chinese doctors say Wuhan coronavirus reinfection even deadlier
Instead of creating immunity the virus can reportedly reinfect an individual and hasten fatal heart attack

By Jules Quartly, Taiwan News, Contributing Writer
2020/02/14 15:02

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — It’s possible to get infected by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) a second time, according to doctors on the frontline in China’s city of Wuhan, leading to death from heart failure in some cases.

The claim is made by doctors working in the Hubei Province capital that is at the center of the epidemic, which has to date infected 64,201 people and killed 1,487. One of the doctors reached out to a relative living in the United Kingdom, who then informed Taiwan News.

Both the relative and doctors asked to remain anonymous, out of consideration they might face retribution from the Chinese authorities. The doctor, Li Wenliang (???), who first raised warnings about the Wuhan virus, was rebuked by the authorities before succumbing to the devastating disease himself earlier this month.

According to the message forwarded to Taiwan News, “It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure.”

The source also said the virus has “outsmarted all of us,” as it can hide symptoms for up to 24 days.
This assertion has been made independently elsewhere, with Chinese pulmonologist Zhong Nanshan (???) saying the average incubation period is three days, but it can take as little as one day and up to 24 days to develop symptoms.

Also, the source said that false negative tests for the virus are fairly common. “It can fool the test kit – there were cases that they found, the CT scan shows both lungs are fully infected but the test came back negative four times. The fifth test came back positive.”

According to the BBC and other media outlets, some laboratory tests are incorrectly telling people they are virus-free. There is also anecdotal evidence of people having up to six negative results before being diagnosed correctly.

Dr. Li Wenliang first raised concerns about this. His own test results had come back negative multiple times before he was finally diagnosed.

False negative tests raise question marks over how many people have the Wuhan coronavirus, with many believing the Chinese authorities have massively underreported the number of cases and deaths. Meanwhile, the official methodology for diagnosing the virus in China was changed this week, leading to a sudden leap in the number of recorded cases and deaths.

Explain to me how the Chinese know this. Do they have secondary infections for the same person? Are they guessing? How do they know?
 
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Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
Person under quarantine at Camp Ashland transferred to National Quarantine Unit

The outside of Camp Ashland, where 57 people are being quarantined. (Photo courtesy KOLN)
By 10/11 NOW | Posted: Fri 12:56 PM, Feb 14, 2020 | Updated: Fri 1:48 PM, Feb 14, 2020

ASHLAND, Neb. (KOLN) - One of the 57 rescued Americans being monitored for coronavirus at Camp Ashland is being transported to the National Quarantine Unit on the Nebraska Medicine/UNMC campus for further evaluation and testing.

According to Nebraska Medicine, this person developed some extremely mild upper respiratory symptoms overnight, and "out of an abundance of caution", CDC officials made the decision to bring them to the recently opened, federally funded National Quarantine Unit.

The National Quarantine Unit is located in a building that is separate from any of the buildings on campus where patients receive care at the Nebraska Medical Center. This person will be tested for COVID-19 while being monitored here.


Found a link

ETA: It came out yesterday that the Ashland people were on the same flight from China as the one that tested positive in Texas
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
I am barking more up the tree of something a handy person could build in a home workshop. Start with stationary bicycle, put in a belt and pulley to drive another wheel at around one breath per revolution. Make the edge of the wheel into a cog driver (?) that actuated an ambu-bag, bellows, or piston and cylinder. Timing and stroking would be from the cuts on the cog. Making any sense?
Respectfully and honestly, None.
 
Yes it is. We are taking it back thanks to Trump... more of the US factories are opening back up.

Just because they have the lead for today doesn't mean that they will keep it..... I
would expect China's steel production right now is just about zero......
Did they have a crew keeping it hot over the holiday?
Probably a lot of fun starting up again.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
Just noticed yesterday they said there were 60 at Ashland, today they say 57. Probably just sloppy journalism, but makes me go hmmmmm
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
I had a little scare about that, today.

6 months ago I went for a routine check-up and to get lab results. I don't know what the test was called but healthy kidneys were supposed to have a score of 60 or over. Mine came back 58. Doc said he didn't want to jump to conclusions and ordered another round of test 3 months ago. The score came back a 53. He said I was in Stage 1 kidney disease... I've had blood pressure issues my whole life and he said that may be affecting my kidney. So, he set me up to go see a nephrologist ( sp? ) and ran one more set of tests.

My appointment with the specialist was on March 3rd... Went back in, today, to see the doc and he says all my numbers were "excellent" and the kidney test came back in well over 60, again. He thinks I may have just been severely dehydrated...

Whew... Talk about a load off the shoulders...

Thats your GFR. its a measure of hpw much blood your kidneys filer in ml/min. dehydration can definitely make it go down as does low blood pressure. Glad it bumped back up!
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
I really thought we would see a marked increase of cases right about now due to exposure at the Superbowl... I will wait another week due to the increase in incubation but as you said, a good sign!

The other thing is this, folks. It's Valentine's Day on a Friday night. Every restaurant is going to be packed. We had a quick meeting today at work, and everyone talked about their plans. We were the only ones staying in. Everyone else had dinner plans or movie plans (or both). One gal said, "We couldn't find a restaurant that wasn't already booked with reservations. So we're just going to go bar hopping."

Think about the implications from a germ standpoint. Door handles. Menus. Server staff. Cooks. Salt and pepper shakers. Movie theaters. This could be as big a day "spread-wise" as the Superbowl.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
I've not seen any discussion about re-aquiring the virus. Say you get it, you have medical assistance and you beat it. Have you now built resistance? Or are you fresh meat as soon as you walk out the door. How often can you catch it?

Be a son of a gun if this thing just hung around the hood, going back and forth, till it gotcha.

How's that work? Do we have a viable idea, or do we wait and see? Will China fill in this blank?
We know maybe 5% and China doesn’t seem in a hurry to up that number. The only reliable information us on western infected and we are on pass 1. Anything based on what is happening in China is partial info, guess mixed with woo.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
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And the pulmonologists and the RT's in the hospitals are going to be BUSY. Nephrologists as well, unfortunately. Criteria for who is worthy for kidney and lung transplants--who gets on the waiting list for an organ--may change. Also, a transplant surgeon can list for a given patient what organs are or are not acceptable.

For example, maybe we don't want a lung from a chain smoker, or that liver from a alcoholic. So I am expecting that although more organs may become available due to this, that you won't want a kidney or lung from someone with novel Corona virus... I'll be starting to train respiratory therapists for the next wave of hospital starting next week, expect to have some interesting discussions.
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Another consideration or worry is the current group of post transplant that are on immunosuppressants if they wait for TPTB to start discussing quarantine they could be hi risk population.
 
By the way.... DD..... you never mentioned the type of shot you are using.... for us #4 works very well

OT since they are bigger than a virus, but SPECIFY, shotgun folks- specify. There is #4 shot, and then there is #4 BUCKshot. Might not be the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning, but there IS a difference - and you need to be clear.
4 buck is about 1/4 inch and usually 27 pellets in a normal shell. 4 bird is just slightly larger than normal bird shot. Use it for varmints.
 
I am glad February is almost half over and warmer weather is approaching. Even if the virus does not abate with warmer weather, heating and outdoor jobs will be much easier should there be massive problems and preparing for the longer term will take less effort. On the down side, face-to-face social interaction and crowds go way up. Personal effort down, external threats up, but as I get older warm is preferred.
How’s this “global warming” working for you?
 

jward

passin' thru
Explain to me how the Chinese know this. Do they have secondary infections for the same person? Are they guessing? How do they know?

Not certain as to why I'm included or what I could add to illuminate this- but... viruses mutate. sun rises in east. these are what these things do. We know that flu strains can hit certain populations less hard if they've had previous exposures to those strains. Ergo I think but do not know that this woochew thing mutates in many insignificant, and significant ways, or will over time. I thought the best science suggests mutations, in general, tend to be less lethal. If I am a virus, I want a lot of dates- if i kill people too early, I get stuck at home- not a winning strategy in the wild, and it dies out sooner rather than later as a rule.

As to the heart / organ failure- it's above my pay grade to address, but I have seen some folks addressing that some cells that have the receptors that allow entry to this virus are also found in different organs...perhaps that is what is meant, or perhaps it's as simple as you take a physical system and stress it with illness and it's going to give, presumably at it's weakest links?

Much of that article reads alarmist and sensationalistic to me. The virus is no smarter than others, all those elements discussed are merely the normal attributes of a virus- for example, not testing positive for a period of time is NORMAL as it takes TIME to build enough of a viral load to be detectable. You can infect folks during that time, but are putting out LESS viral output as you have less, and are not having the coughing, sneezing and mucus production that spreads the viral load.

I doubt this helps : ) I too am wondering "is there full or partial immunity to a second round of the illness"? I would assume the answer is: it depends. The good news is the people who actually understand the science, it's import, and relationship to the whole are working around the clock to find the answers that matter. The bad news is the rest of us know a lil, make up the rest, and the output is worse than wrong, sometimes.

OH one other thing, in one study i read/posted there were in fact documented cases of co-infections. I want to say influenza A and this woochew thing...might be wrong on the specifics, but yes, some testing is occuring and some preliminary answers are being seen.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
one other thing, in one study i read/posted there were in fact documented cases of co-infections. I want to say influenza A and this woochew thing...might be wrong on the specifics, but yes, some testing is occuring and some preliminary answers are being seen.

I've seen several reports of bacterial pneumonia (pneumococcal pneumonia) as a secondary infection. At least one reference was in the Lancet studies IIRC

 
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Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
And they couldn't have told us this on week one? What other handy factoids can they let slip, I wonder? It is maddening that other scentists and doctors are having to guess and reverse engineer this thing while China is silent. And in the interim, how many medical personnel are lost because they have no idea what they are dealing with? Oh, it's just another coronavirus, like the flu... No- it's not. These people playing with the facts need to be squeezed real hard.
The article I posted about it was published by the Wuhan staff last year. So, it's not like they were trying to conceal the info.


China was hoping you'd buy the random-virus-that-popped-up-in-a-meat-market story. If they told you what was in it, that would have blown their cover. Face is everything.
I think the bat-virus-related research is why they tried to fog the world with the "Bat Soup" story from the beginning: "Oh no, we wouldn't have DREAMT about cooking-up some Frankenstein monster virus in our labs! This was from people eating bats!" And the West and it's army of SJW's ate it up, hook, line, and sinker. (Yes, I know they were indeed eating bats. Which is still probably an issue in and of itself.)
 
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