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bev

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I looked up the comorbidities. I can't figure out cerebVD. Hope this helps others.

HTN - hypertension, DM - diabetes, COPD, renal - kidney, CHF - congested heart failure, cancer, cerebVD??? brain something, MI- Myocardial infarction - heart attack.
Maybe some already answered - I’m not caught Up yet. But “cerebVD” is a stupid abbreviation for cerebrovascular disease.
 

marsh

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War Room Pandemic Ep 309
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Bannon WarRoom - Citizens of the American Republic


Watch Steve Bannon, @RaheemKassam, @JackMaxey1, Dr. Harvery Rich, @WJMcGinley, @KrisKobach1787, @ZOA_National, @ElizabethYore now.
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War Room Pandemic Ep 310
•Streamed live 4 hours ago


Bannon WarRoom - Citizens of the American Republic


Watch Steve Bannon, @RaheemKassam, @JackMaxey1, Dr. Harvery Rich, @WJMcGinley, @KrisKobach1787, @ZOA_National, @ElizabethYore now.
 

Tristan

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Two interesting data bits:

Countries #'s tests per 1000 population:


Denmark's stats:
(you can replace the 'denmark' in the address above with whatever country you may want to see and get to it directly)

My calculator figures that Denmark is running about 4.5% fatalities, based on the number of tested positives.
 

marsh

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30:51 min
Coronavirus and Sepsis
•Jul 31, 2020


Dr. John Campbell
Sepsis Global Sepsis Alliance, Can COVID-19 cause sepsis https://www.global-sepsis-alliance.or... COVID-19 does indeed cause sepsis Sepsis is “a life-threatening organ dysfunction caused by a dysregulated host response to infection.”

Other organs as well as the lungs Direct viral invasion and sepsis Seattle area in the United States, ICU patients Septic shock severe enough to require drugs to support the heart and circulation in almost, 70% Liver injury, over 30% had evidence of liver injury Depressed immune response, 75% Acute kidney failure, 20% Chinese data Significant heart damage, 28% Potentially from direct invasion of cardiac muscle by the virus Resulting in heart failure and abnormal heart rhythms This cardiac damage was associated with a five-fold increase in the risk of death COVID-19 causing sepsis Critical Care Explorations (June, 2020) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Research technique Multisystemic clinical and autopsy findings Viral sepsis accurately describes the whole clinical picture Pathophysiology Intense cytokine release Prolonged inflammation Immunosuppression with T cell exhaustion Lymphopenia and immunosuppression Organ dysfunctions Management Optimal treatment uncertain Supportive treatment and immunomodulators Until effective antivirals are developed UK Sepsis Trust https://sepsistrust.org/covid-19-reco...

A life-threatening condition When the body’s response to infection injures its own tissues and organs A percentage of COVID-19 infections can result in such organ damage and subsequent failure Therefore features in addition to respiratory failure Acute Chronic Sepsis associated with infection, any of the following Slurred speech or confusion Extreme shivering or muscle pain Passing no urine (in a day) Severe breathlessness It feels like you’re going to die Skin mottled or discoloured

Clinical observations https://www.aafp.org/afp/2013/0701/p4... Temperature above 38.5 (101.3) below 35 (95) Heart rate above 90 / minute Breathing more than 20 / minute Blood sugar, above 6.6 mmo/L (118 mg/dL) White cells high or low CRT more than 3 seconds AMS Note Breathlessness, cough and fever are common in COVID-19 Sepsis SOB Severe breathlessness Very short of breath at rest Breathing very rapidly, 30 minute or more Cannot say more than 2-3 words at a time Cyanosis, central or peripheral

Global, regional, and national sepsis incidence and mortality, 1990–2017: analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study (Lancet, 16 January 2020) https://www.thelancet.com/journals/la... In 2017 48·9 million cases of sepsis were 11 million deaths (19.7% of global deaths) https://ourworldindata.org/what-does-... 56 million people died in 2017 1990 – 2017 37·0% reduction in incidence of sepsis 52·8% reduction in mortality Highest burden in sub-Saharan Africa, Oceania, south Asia, east Asia, and southeast Asia. Post-sepsis syndrome – an evolving entity that afflicts survivors of sepsis https://molmed.biomedcentral.com/arti... Sequelae of sepsis Were thought to be independent of sepsis itself Either comorbidities or complications of critical illness Recent studies, consistent patterns in sepsis survivors Lasting months to years after symptoms of active sepsis resolved Post-sepsis syndrome Significantly increased risk of death Poor health-related quality of life After 2 years 50% recovery 33% died 17% post sepsis syndrome Often the recovery is not complete Constellation of long-term effects Neurocognitive impairment Functional disability Anxiety, depression, PTSD Psychological deficits Metabolic effects Organ dysfunction Gut dysbiosis Stroke Myocardial infarction Fatal coronary artery disease Redevelopment of sepsis Exacerbation of previous chronic illness. Rehospitalization rate Post sepsis infection most common reason (12%) Mostly pneumonia 30 days, 20 - 32% 90-day, 40% One-year, 63%
 

marsh

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12:36 min
China Destroyed Coronavirus Evidence | China Hacked the Vatican
•Jul 31, 2020


China Uncensored

China destroyed coronavirus evidence as part of its cover up. Chinese hackers attack the Vatican. The situation in Hong Kong gets worse as the national security law leads to the arrest of the first political leader. And elections there may be delayed for a year according to Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam. Plus, in Australia, Chinese international students are caught up in a virtual kidnapping scam.
 

marsh

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8:37 min
Negotiations stalled on next coronavirus relief package as unemployment benefits expire Friday
•Jul 30, 2020


CBS News
President Trump and his top health officials on Thursday spoke about the importance of plasma donation from people who have antibodies, as the number of coronavirus deaths tops 150,000 in the U.S. Meantime, negotiations are stalled over the next relief package, with unemployment benefits set to expire Friday. CBS News' Skyler Henry joins CBSN's Elaine Quijano to discuss.
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3:31:55 min
Live: Fauci and other federal officials testify on Trump administration's coronavirus response
•Streamed live 6 hours ago


CBS News

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5:47 min
Fauci: "In some situations, states did not abide strictly by the guidelines"
•Jul 31, 2020


CBS News

The nation's top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, testified Friday before a House coronavirus panel. Congressman Jim Clyburn, the Democratic Majority Whip, asked Fauci about some of the president's statements on testing.
 

marsh

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5:20 min
WATCH: Rep. Jim Jordan asks Dr. Fauci if nationwide protests helped spread the coronavirus
•Jul 31, 2020


PBS NewsHour

In a tense exchange with Rep. Jordan, R-Ohio, Dr. Fauci said he would not offer his opinions on limiting protests, but that he had spelled out the danger of the virus and the public should draw their own conclusions about what is safe or unsafe. Fauci’s answer came during a House hearing investigating the federal government’s efforts to control the pandemic.

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7:11 min
Watch Rep. Raskin question Fauci, Redfield and Giroir in House hearing on coronavirus
•Jul 31, 2020


PBS NewsHour
Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., asked the three foremost leaders of the U.S. coronavirus response how soon the nation would reach 5 million cases, whether or not China was truly to blame for the U.S. outbreak and how their agencies are battling misinformation. The questions came during a House hearing investigating the federal government’s efforts to control the pandemic.
 

marsh

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1:06 min
Couple saves 68 lives and counting after surviving COVID-19 l GMA Digital
•Jul 31, 2020


Good Morning America


Brian and Dina Murphy of San Antonio, Texas, together have made 19 plasma donations to patients diagnosed with COVID-19. Their antibodies in the plasma help patients fight the coronavirus.
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3:39 min
Experts predict more than 230,000 U.S. coronavirus deaths by November
•Jul 31, 2020


ABC News
Florida reported a record number of deaths for the third consecutive day. ABC's Andrea Fujii reports.
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3:35 min
Jobless benefits expired
•Jul 31, 2020


ABC News
Unemployment benefits expire as Congress is deadlocked on new potential stimulus plan.
 

marsh

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2:48 min
Congress fails to agree on another Covid-19 stimulus deal—Here's what lawmakers are saying
•Jul 31, 2020

CNBC Television


Republicans and Democrats have made little progress toward a coronavirus relief deal as economic data shows an economy still reeling from the coronavirus pandemic. An enhanced federal unemployment benefit is expiring even as initial jobless claims increased for two consecutive weeks.
 

marsh

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12:06 min
What would a coronavirus second wave look like? | COVID-19 Special [Europe]
•Jul 31, 2020


DW News Germany

Covid-19 cases are climbing – in Germany and beyond. The attempt to return to normalcy has thwarted social distancing measures. Authorities fear holidaymakers will bring the virus with them. So there are now tests at airports to help curb that risk. No one wants a second wave of the coronavirus or another wave of pandemic lockdowns. But no one can rule them out if the number of cases continues to rise. So what is a second wave? And what would one look like?

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9:48 min
US and Europe report record GDP declines due to coronavirus | DW News
•Jul 31, 2020


DW News Germany

The United States and Europe have posted their biggest economic decline in decades. Business investment, exports and consumer spending all dropped as coronavirus lockdowns put the brakes on economic activity. In both the US and the European cases, the record dropsin GDP come despite major government spending programs during the COVID-19 pandemic. Some of America's biggest tech companies have announced their financial results for the last quarter. Facebook came out on top, reporting an almost doubling in profit despite an advertiser boycott during the quarter. Meanwhile Amazon posted its highest profit ever and Apple beat Wall Street's revenue expectations. But Google parent Alphabet announced its first ever decline in overall revenue due to flagging ad sales. Airbus posted a quarterly loss of 1.9 billion euros. The airplane maker says the coronavirus has presented the industry with its gravest crisis ever. The company sold half as many planes during the first six months of this year as it did during the same period in 2019. Chinese telecoms giant Huawei has overtaken Samsung as the largest smartphone maker in the world. That's according to market research company Canalys. Analysts say China’s early recovery from the coronavirus pandemic reinvigorated Huawei’s domestic market, where it sells more than 70 percent of its phones.
 
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marsh

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12:50 min
COVID-19: Pregnancy in the coronavirus pandemic
•Premiered 4 hours ago


Sky News UK

Being pregnant in 'normal' times can be stressful. But imagine being told you weren't allowed to see friends or family when the baby you were expecting doesn't survive. Or that you were at a higher risk of contracting a potentially deadly virus because of the colour of your skin. When even the simple things - like a hug - are restricted. These are the stories of pregnancy and birth in the pandemic.
 

marsh

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3:23 min
COVID-19 India Update: Over 55,000 Coronavirus Cases In Biggest 1-Day Jump In India
•Jul 30, 2020


NDTV

India reported a new record surge this morning in coronavirus cases as more than 55,000 new patients were registered in the last 24 hours, the Union Health Ministry said, adding that over 6.42 lakh samples were tested on Thursday which is the highest number of samples tested in a day since the beginning of the pandemic. The country's covid tally has crossed 16 lakh cases after the latest spike, just three days after crossing the 15 lakh-mark. This is the second consecutive day that more than 50,000 fresh infections have been reported in 24 hours. More than 10. 58 lakh patients have recovered so far. The recovery rate stood at 64.54 per cent. 779 COVID-19 patients have died since yesterday, taking the total number of COVID-19 linked deaths to 35,747.
 

bev

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Just a heads up, but I will be unable to continue to post videos on this thread as of late next week. My daughter and grandkids will be going back to school. Each kid will be in their own room distance learning with a computer and headphones. The littlest one is hyperactive and needs someone to sit and proctor him so he stays on task and schedule.

My daughter will be teaching seventh grade English and other subjects in a separate room she has set up as a classroom. Eventually, I will only proctor him during her two English classes and she will try and work around keeping an eye on him and teaching her lighter subjects the rest of the time.

It should be pretty safe as she and the kids won't have a lot of direct contact with people. Her hubby works in a relatively safe environment with few contacts. However, with so many people needing the internet, I will be unable to post. I should be able to get some knitting done, however.
Hi Marsh. I’d be happy to try to cover at least some of what you’ve been posting. For YouTube videos, do you have a list of people you regularly look for? And a list of media outlets/shows, like GMA? That would be really helpful for me.
 

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Dr Birx: There's no evidence hydroxychloroquine helps with coronavirus
•Jul 30, 2020


Fox News
White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Deborah Birx joins 'Fox & Friends.'
HUGE DEVELOPMENT: 51 Global Studies Find HCQ Effective in Treating COVID-19
How many tens of thousands of Americans must die because of Dr. Fauci’s mistakes?

It is becoming more and more apparent with each new day and as more information is accumulated that Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx, the CDC and the FDA failed in their response to the China Coronavirus.

Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx pushed a completely fraudulent Imperial College study to lockdown and destroy the greatest economy in US history.

Dr. Anthony Fauci has made at least 15 critical mistakes and contradictions since the start of the pandemic in March.

Perhaps Dr. Fauci’s most deadly mistake is his response to hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) treatments for the disease.

Dr. Fauci cheered the use of hydroxychloroquine in treating the MERS coronavirus in 2013 but for some reason resists its use today in treating the China coronavirus.

Now there is a website that tracks the international HCQ-Coronavirus studies.

C19Study
COVID-19 Treatment Analysis

tracks the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in treating coronavirus.

The countries that pushed HCQ use early have had the most success in treating the disease.

The website tracked all of the current international studies on HCQ use in treating the coronavirus.

Here are the results:

** Pre-exposure prophylaxis (or PrEP) — 100% success
** Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (or PEP) — 100% success
** Early Treatment — 100% success
** Late Treatment — 62%

There are over 70 global studies listed on the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine in treating the coronavirus.

51 of the global studies showed positive results.
16 of the global studies showed negative results — but 10 of those studies were late stage cases of coronavirus.

It is clear at this point that the top US medical professionals are KILLING Americans by downplaying the success of HCQ in treating the coronavirus.
HUGE DEVELOPMENT: 51 Global Studies Find HCQ Effective in Treating COVID-19 -- 16 Find HCQ NOT Effective -- But 10 of Those Are Late Treatment Studies!





2005 Medical Study - Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread ( CDC and FDA )

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marsh

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Cultural versus scientific explanation
•Jul 31, 2020


Dr. John Campbell

Office for national statistics https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati... People aged 70 years or over of Bangladeshi or Pakistani ethnicity are more likely to live with those from a range of ages compared with people of white ethnicity of the same age group

This compares with around a quarter of households that have at least one person aged 70 years or over whose ethnic group is Bangladeshi. Just over half of these households contain more than one generation living together with at least one person aged 0 to 19 years, one person aged 20 to 69 years and one person aged 70 years or over

Households containing someone aged 70 years or over are more likely to contain a mix of ages living together if that person’s ethnicity is Bangladeshi or Pakistani

ONS https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulati... • Males of Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Indian ethnic background also had a significantly higher risk of death involving COVID-19 (1.5 and 1.6 times, respectively) than White males once region, population density, socio-demographic and household characteristics were accounted for; whilst for females in Bangladeshi or Pakistani, Indian, Chinese and Mixed ethnic groups the risk of death involving COVID-19 was equivalent to White females.

• When looking at total number of deaths involving COVID-19 88.6% were of people from a White ethnic group, 6.2 % from an Asian ethnic group, 4.0% from a Black ethnic group and 0.5 % from an Other ethnic group

• Statistician's comments

• “ONS analysis continues to show that people from a Black ethnic background are at a greater risk of death involving COVID-19 than all other ethnic groups. The risk for black males has been more than three times higher than white males and nearly two and a half times higher for black females than white. Adjusting for socio-economic factors and geographical location partly explains the increased risk, but there remains twice the risk for Black males and around one and a half times for black females. Significant differences also remain for Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Indian men. The ONS will continue to research this unexplained increased risk of death, examining the impact of other health conditions.” • Nick Stripe, Head of Life Events, Office for National Statistics
 

marsh

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Hi Marsh. I’d be happy to try to cover at least some of what you’ve been posting. For YouTube videos, do you have a list of people you regularly look for? And a list of media outlets/shows, like GMA? That would be really helpful for me.
Thanks Bev. I subscribe and have the notification bell on the following - except the MSM: (when these sites post, a notice comes up in a list under the bell.)

Medical News
Dr. John Campbell: Dr. John Campbell
MedCram: MedCram - Medical Lectures Explained CLEARLY
Dr. Mike Hansen: Doctor Mike Hansen
Virology Today (Vincent Racaniello ): Vincent Racaniello
JAMA: JAMA Network
CDC: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
Peak Prosperity (Dr Chris Martenson): Peak Prosperity
John Hopkins School of Public Health: Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Political:
The White House: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYxRlFDqcWM4y7FfpiAN3KQ
War Room Pandemic:: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWVvSbEw0imVIT8hiDcNgcQ

Mainstream Media:
FOX: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXIJgqnII2ZOINSWNOGFThA
PBS News: https://www.youtube.com/user/PBSNewsHour
CBS: https://www.youtube.com/user/CBSNewsOnline
Good Morning America/ABC: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCH1oRy1dINbMVp3UFWrKP0w
ABC News: https://www.youtube.com/user/ABCNews
Today/NBC: https://www.youtube.com/user/TODAYNBC
NBC News: https://www.youtube.com/user/NBCNews

SUNDAY:
Meet The Press is NBC:
Face The Nation: https://www.youtube.com/user/Cbsfacethenation1

Foreign:
DW/Germany: https://www.youtube.com/user/deutschewelleenglish
NDTV/India: https://www.youtube.com/c/NDTV/featured
SKY News/UK: https://www.youtube.com/user/skynews
Channel 4/ UK: https://www.youtube.com/user/Channel4News
BBC/UK: https://www.youtube.com/user/bbcnews
China Uncensored/US: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgFP46yVT-GG4o1TgXn-04Q
China in Focus/US: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBOqkAGTtzZVmKvY4SwdZ2g

Pick what you like. Perhaps someone else will take some of the others.
 
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bev

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Marsh, I’ll help out with the medical coverage.

Maybe a post on main to recruit a few others to help?
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
How do you test large populations for COVID-19 without an adequate testing program? You look at their poop.
The presence of the virus in feces was established months ago. It is the reason I thought the left coast cities, where they allow people to poop on the street were going to explode with cases.

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Heliobas Disciple

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The Pentagon! The Pentagon is going to be involved in distributing vaccines?

That is a big red dot if I ever saw one...
Not just distribution but also manufacture and packaging. WTH???

Agree. And I thought Pres Trump was an anti-vaccine person. He's pushing this vaccine hard, I wonder if that's because it's election season and he thinks he has to be on board with the program. This video is long, but if you click on the link that is in super small font under the video, it takes you to the 36 minute mark - which is right to the spot he talks about the miltary and vaccines.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2145&v=hTLUT9EG1m0

39min 32 sec
"We have the military all lined up and the military will do it in a very powerful manner."
 

Heliobas Disciple

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Just a heads up, but I will be unable to continue to post videos on this thread as of late next week. My daughter and grandkids will be going back to school. Each kid will be in their own room distance learning with a computer and headphones. The littlest one is hyperactive and needs someone to sit and proctor him so he stays on task and schedule.

My daughter will be teaching seventh grade English and other subjects in a separate room she has set up as a classroom. Eventually, I will only proctor him during her two English classes and she will try and work around keeping an eye on him and teaching her lighter subjects the rest of the time.

It should be pretty safe as she and the kids won't have a lot of direct contact with people. Her hubby works in a relatively safe environment with few contacts. However, with so many people needing the internet, I will be unable to post. I should be able to get some knitting done, however.
Thank you Marsh for all the work you did and all the videos you brought to us. I know you had to have spent quite a bit of time on this project and it's very much appreciated. I'm glad your daughter found a solution that works for her and is going to be able to keep working. I hope your son in law's foot/ankle (?) is healing and that he is doing well at his new job as well.

HD
 

Heliobas Disciple

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This is actually remarkable. I'll post some of the pictures in the article from this year and one from a previous year to highlight the contrast. I am sure they are doing something for the first time in the history of the hajj even though they know it's no worse than the common flu, because they want to see Trump defeated in the election in Nov, and not because the virus is real or they are worried about transmission. /sarcasm

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Social distancing is observed as the hajj pilgrimage gets underway in Mecca amid coronavirus crisis
By Kate Dennett
Published: 19:36 EDT, 31 July 2020 | Updated: 20:16 EDT, 31 July 2020

  • Strict social distancing measures were in place during the third day of the hajj pilgrimage in Mecca on Friday
  • Limited Muslim pilgrims attending were required to wear face masks and keep to social distancing guidance
  • As few as 1,000 pilgrims in Saudi Arabia were allowed to preform the hajj, compared with 2.5million last year
  • Earlier, more than 150 workers took part in the ceremonial task to replace the Kiswa, which dates centuries

Strict social distancing measures were in place during the third day of the hajj pilgrimage in Mecca amid the coronavirus pandemic.

A limited number of Muslim pilgrims of Saudi Arabia residents gathered at the Great Mosque in Mecca to pray during one of the Islamic rituals of pilgrimage, the Tawaf Al-Ifadah.

The symbolic ritual of 'Stoning the Devil', throwing seven pebbles at the largest of the three pillars, known as Jamrat Al-Aqaba took place on the third day of the hajj.

Pilgrims were required to wear face masks and lines were marked out across the floor of the Great Mosque to ensure citizens adhered to social distancing guidelines throughout.

The hajj pilgrimage has been drastically affected by the virus, as last year, some 2.5million pilgrims took part.

But this year, for the first time in modern history, as few as 1,000 pilgrims already residing in Saudi Arabia were allowed to preform the hajj.


Strict preventative health measures have been taken by the Saudi authorities to ensure that pilgrims are free of coronavirus.

Numerous precautions were taken, including testing pilgrims for the virus, monitoring their movement with electronic wristbands and requiring them to quarantine before and after the hajj.

Pilgrims were selected after applying through an online portal, and all had to be between 20 and 50 years of age.

The hajj, both physically and spiritually demanding, intends to bring about greater humility and unity among Muslims. It is required of all Muslims to perform once in a lifetime.

Islam's most holiest site, the Kaaba at the centre of the Great Mosque in Mecca, was also given a new £4.5m silk cover as part of the annual hajj pilgrimage.

More than 150 artisans and technicians, with the help of two cranes, put the black cloth, known as the Kiswa, over the four sides of the Kaaba.

The cloth is split over five pieces up to almost 50ft in length and is made of high-quality silk and embroidered with gold and silver.

It costs £4.5million to make and is traditionally embroidered and stitched together in Saudi Arabia.

The cloth covers the Kaaba - the most sacred site in the Islam faith and the spot Muslims face when they say their prayers five times a day.

Every year the Kiswa is replaced as part of the five-day pilgrimage which this year has been restricted for just 10,000 people to participate in due to coronavirus.

Stringent protocols were in place today, including the wearing of face masks with the job carried out by staff of the General Presidency for the Affairs of the Two Holy Mosques.

Deputy head Ahmed Bin Mohammed Al-Mansouri said each of the four parts of the Kiswa was separately raised and tied at the top in preparation for stretching the cloth down.

Then, the old cloth was removed from the bottom and the new one remained.

Among the workers, photographers took pictures as the new cloth was unveiled this morning.

The Kaaba represents the metaphorical house of God and the oneness of God in Islam.

Saudi Arabia stakes its reputation on its guardianship of Islam's holiest sites in Mecca and Medina and its peaceful organisation of hajj.

Over the years, the kingdom has spent billions of dollars on making one of the world's biggest religious gatherings safe.

This year it has faced the challenge of making hajj, a once-in-a-lifetime duty for every able-bodied Muslim who can afford it and a major source of income for the government, safe from Covid-19.

It has dramatically reduced the number of pilgrims to ensure social distancing measures are adhered to.

The hajj minister said in June the number of pilgrims would be limited to around 1,000, but no official number has been given for those performing the rituals this week.

Some local media cited a figure of around 10,000.

Saudi healthcare and security professionals, on the frontlines of the battle against the disease, make up about 30 per cent of the total, with the remainder coming from 160 nationalities residing in the Kingdom.

Mask-wearing pilgrims circled the Kaaba in small groups of 50 people yesterday, each keeping a safe distance apart and accompanied by a health professional monitoring their movements.

In past years, a sea of pilgrims dressed in white terrycloth garments would start to gather at Mount Arafat, or hill of mercy as it's known, before dawn and remain there until nightfall, spending the day in deep contemplation and worship.

It is common to see pilgrims with tears streaming down their faces, their hands raised in worship on the slopes of the rocky hill where the Prophet Muhammad called for equality and unity among Muslims.

This year, the sliver of pilgrims performing the hajj arrived at Mount Arafat before noon by bus today.

They are travelling in small groups of 20, following strict guidelines around social distancing, and have undergone tests for the Covid-19 disease and were in quarantine before the hajj.

TYPICAL ATTENDANCE AT HAJJ

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Heliobas Disciple

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A Summer Camp Took Almost Every Precaution. The Majority of Kids Still Got COVID-19.
At least 76 percent of young campers who were tested came back positive—an ominous sign as schools push to reopen by the fall.

Pilar Melendez
Updated Jul. 31, 2020 5:08PM ET / Published Jul. 31, 2020 2:25PM ET

As state officials across the country scramble to solidify plans to reopen schools in the fall, a new report by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzing the transmission rate at a Georgia overnight camp suggests that the spread of the coronavirus among students is inevitable.

The study, released Friday, analyzed 597 children and staff who attended the overnight camp between June 21 and June 27. At the end of the week, 76 percent of campers who were tested came back positive—despite the organizers following most state guidelines set by the governor and the CDC.

The camp, however, didn’t require campers to wear masks, only the staff, or open windows and doors for increased ventilation, per CDC guidelines. And it allowed attendees to engage in outdoor and indoor activities—like singing and cheering—that also contributed to the high transmission rate, the report stated.

“These findings demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2 spread efficiently in a youth-centric overnight setting, resulting in high attack rates among persons in all age groups, despite efforts by camp officials to implement most recommended strategies to prevent transmission,” the report said, noting that the median age for the campers was 12 and the gender split was even.

The report said it only took two days for a teenage staff member at the camp to develop chills and leave the camp.

The next day, she tested positive for the coronavirus—prompting the camp to immediately begin sending attendees home before closing its doors on June 27.

The study noted that test results were only available for 344 of 597 attendees and thus likely underestimated the total spread at the camp.

“Given the increasing incidence of COVID-19 in Georgia in June and July some cases might have resulted from transmission occurring before or after camp attendance,” the study added. “Finally, it was not possible to assess individual adherence to COVID-19 prevention measures at [the] camp... including physical distancing between, and within, cabin cohorts and use of cloth masks, which were not required for campers.”

The report adds to the evidence suggesting children of all ages are susceptible to coronavirus, which has killed at least 150,000 Americans and infected over 4.5 million.

While the report focused on one overnight camp that didn’t adopt every measure it could to prevent an outbreak, the high transmission rate among a group of children will have implications for the ongoing push for schools to reopen in the fall.

In Indiana, at least one student has already tested positive for the coronavirus after the first day of school. According to the Indianapolis Star, the student only attended some classes at Greenfield-Central Junior High School before being sent home and immediately isolated. Across town, an Avon High School staff member also tested positive for COVID-19 but had not yet been at school. And in Arizona, one teacher died and two more were infected after sharing a classroom to hold online classes.

On Friday, however, the head of the CDC pushed for a reopening, saying it was in the “public health interest” to get students back in school.

“I don’t think I can emphasize it enough as the director for the Centers for Disease Control, the leading public health agency in the world—it is in the public health interest [in] these K through 12 students to get the schools back open for face-to-face learning,” Dr. Robert Redfield said in testimony before the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis.

“I want these kids back in school. I want it done smartly, but I think we have to be honest that the public health and interest of the students in the nation right now is to get a quality education and face-to-face learning. We need to get on with it.”

Redfield’s comments came after the CDC issued guidance last week on reopening schools, suggesting that schools practice “cohorting,” in which a group of students stays together throughout the school day to minimize exposure to the virus.


New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, who oversees one of the largest public school systems in the country, used that recommendation as the crux of his school reopening plan presented on Friday. He said he believed a weekly “blended approach” of in-class and online lessons will minimize the transmission rate.

“The whole idea of this plan is to limit the amount of movement in the school, limit the amount of people coming into contact with each other,” de Blasio said, adding that schools will not re-open unless COVID-19 infection rates remain below 3 percent.

Utah Gov. Gary Herbert has taken a more hard-line approach, establishing early guidelines that would force teachers, employees, and students exposed to the virus to go into “modified quarantine.” After 10 to 14 days of self-isolation, they would be able to return to school if they don’t have any symptoms—but students would still not be allowed to participate in extracurricular activities.

The Utah guidelines also say that if a student tests positive in a class, the entire class must self-isolate and switch to online learning. There are also benchmarks in place that would require entire schools to quarantine and revert to virtual learning.

“This will allow children to stay in the educational system, get the classroom setting they need, but also remain safe,” Utah’s state epidemiologist Angela Dunn said Thursday. “We as a state and communities have to address the availability of broadband. We have to think of it as an essential utility, and not all of our families have access to broadband.”

In Chicago, officials are preparing to allow half of the student population to be at school at any given time, and make all attendees wear masks and have their temperature taken before class. In Hawaii, the state Department of Education has offered schools three different models that include options for full-time school, a blended rotation, or remote learning.

But at least ten of the largest school districts in the most virus-stricken states are only preparing to offer online classes, including Los Angeles Unified, Miami-Dade, and Clark County, Nevada.

“In many respects, unfortunately, though this may sound a little scary and harsh—I don't mean it to be that way—is that you're going to actually be part of the experiment of the learning curve of what we need to know,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said to educators in a Tuesday virtual town hall.

“Remember, early on when we shut down the country as it were, the schools were shut down, so we don't know the full impact, we don't have the total database of knowing what there is to expect.”

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Indiana student tests positive for Covid-19 on first day of school
Rebekah Riess
Updated 8:17 PM ET, Fri July 31, 2020

As an Indiana school district welcomed students to the 2020-21 academic year, one of their students tested positive for Covid-19 on the first day of class, according to a letter sent to parents.

The Hancock County Health Department notified Greenfield-Central Junior High School Thursday afternoon that one of their students, who had attended part of the school day, tested positive for Covid-19, Superintendent Harold Olin said in a letter.

Olin said the school enacted its "Positive COVID-19 Test Protocol" once school officials became aware of the positive result.

School officials immediately isolated the student within the school's clinic, and they examined the student's schedule, including transportation and extracurricular activities, to determine who had come in close contact.

As part of the district's return to in-person learning, "all areas of all schools" are already being disinfected professionally each evening, according to Olin's letter. But the superintendent noted that special attention would be given to areas and classrooms that the infected student had visited.

"We understand that this information will cause concern for some of you. It was very evident today that nearly all of our families and students were prepared to properly follow the safety protocols we have established," Olin said. "Adhering to these protocols is essential for maintaining a safe environment for all students and staff."
 

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Fauci suggests protests spread COVID-19, but won’t ‘opine’ on limits in hearing clash with Jordan
Jordan pressed Fauci on whether protests increased the spread of the virus

Tyler Olson
Published 18 hours ago

Dr. Anthony Fauci told the House Select Committee on the Coronavirus Crisis that "crowds" further the spread of the coronavirus, but wouldn't "opine" on whether the government should limit widespread protests as it has businesses and churches in a testy exchange Friday with Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.

The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) director appeared alongside Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director (CDC) Dr. Robert Redfield and “testing czar” Admiral Brett Giroir, a Health and Human Services official and physician. The hearing was titled "The Urgent Need for a National Plan to Contain the Coronavirus."

Jordan pushed Fauci on whether protests increased the spread of the virus, to which Fauci said that he can "make a general statement" that "crowding together particularly when you're not wearing a mask contributed to the spread of the virus." He later said any crowd, including protest crowds, would constitute a "risk" -- and that indoor crowds are a bigger problem than outdoor ones.

But Jordan appeared to suggest Fauci was applying a double standard by holding back on stating that demonstrations should be curtailed for health reasons.

Jordan asked Fauci, "should we limit the protesting?" Fauci had Jordan clarify the question, to which Jordan responded "should government limit the protesting?"

Fauci said "I'm not in a position to determine what the government can do in a forceful way," before Jordan interrupted: "You make all kinds of recommendations, you make comments on dating, on baseball, on everything you can imagine. I'm just asking, you just said, protesting increases the spread. I'm just asking you should we try to limit the protest?"

"I think I would leave that to people who have more of a position to do that," Fauci responded. "I can tell you that..."

Jordan again interrupted Fauci: "Government's stopping people from going to church, Dr. Fauci. Last week... five liberals on the Supreme Court said it was OK for Nevada to limit church services... Is there a world where the Constitution says you can favor one First Amendment liberty, protesting, over another, practicing your faith?"

"I'm not favoring anybody over anybody," Fauci said. "I'm just making a statement that's a broad statement... avoid crowds of any type no matter where you are, because that leads to the acquisition and transmission. And I don't judge one crowd versus another crowd. When you're in a crowd, particularly if you're not wearing a mask, that induces the spread."

Jordan, still not satisfied, attempted to extract a yes or no answer from Fauci, saying that there's been "no violence" at churches.

"I don't know how many times I can answer that," Fauci said. "I am not going to opine on limiting anything. ... I'm telling you what there is, the danger. And you can make your own conclusion about that. You should stay away from crowds."

ordan told Fauci about a case where two people running a gym against a coronavirus order in New Jersey got arrested before speculating that if the men were outside protesting along with their customers they would not have been.

"I'm not going to opine on who gets arrested and who does not," Fauci said. "I mean, you get where I'm going. I'm telling you as a public health official I say crowds..." Jordan jumped in again and asked Fauci whether he saw any inconsistency, likely referring to the treatment of churchgoers and business owners versus protesters.

"There's not inconsistency, congressman," a frustrated Fauci replied, likely talking about his own statements.

Jordan then said he hasn't seen cases of hairstylists attacking police officers, but added that many protesters have recently.

"And we know that protests actually increase the spread of the virus, you said that," Jordan said.

"I said crowds," Fauci shot back. "I didn't say specifically. I didn't say protests do anything."

"So the protests don't increase the spread of the virus?" Jordan asked.

"I didn't say that, you're putting words in my mouth," Fauci replied. "I can tell you that crowds are known, particularly when you don't have a mask," to add to the spread of the virus. (Minutes later, Fauci eventually specified that he considers protests to be crowds in this context.)

Jordan at one point challenged Fauci for advocating to shut down businesses but not commenting on protest restrictions: “You can’t go to work, you can’t go to school, you can’t go to church … but protesting is just fine.”

As Jordan's questioning time expired, committee Chairman James Clyburn, D-S.C., then noted that President Trump recently held a political fundraiser in Texas where masks were scarce among the attendees.

The reaction to various protests during the coronavirus crisis has been highly polarized. When many Trump supporters protested against state lockdown orders early in the pandemic, many Republicans lauded the protests while Democrats condemned them as putting front-line health care workers at risk. When crowds began protesting -- in much larger gatherings than the anti-lockdown protests -- following the death of George Floyd in the custody of the Minneapolis Police Department, Democrats began to participate in the protests themselves while Republicans condemned them.

Earlier in the hearing, Fauci also told the committee that experts are optimistic the U.S. might see an effective vaccine for the coronavirus by later this year, and encouraged Americans to register if they are interested in participating in clinical trials

One vaccine, Fauci said, was in a "Phase 3 trial." He said experts are optimistic by late fall or early winter "we will have, in fact, a vaccine we can say will be safe and effective." Fauci added: "[w]e are cautiously optimistic that this will be successful" because the vaccine "clearly showed that individuals who were vaccinated mounted a neutralizing antibody response that was at least comparable, and in many respects better, than what we see... from individuals who have recovered from COVID-19."

He encouraged people to go to "coronaviruspreventionnetwork.org," where those willing to be in the clinical trials for the vaccine for "this terrible scourge" can volunteer. There were 250,000 people who indicated they were interested as of Thursday night, Fauci said.

Fauci appeared in a Washington Nationals "World Champions" mask.

The epidemiologist also discussed the NIAID's efforts to research the coronavirus, study how the virus affects children, improve testing, and develop treatments. Remdesivir, Fauci said, "showed a statistically significant improvement" in how long hospitalized patients survived, and one other drug, he said, lowered death rates.

On schools, Redfield called the decision to reopen "public health vs. public health," underscoring the difficult balance faced by officials deciding how -- or whether -- to reopen classrooms this fall.

The written testimony by the experts also addressed the effort to secure a vaccine: "The rigorous clinical testing required to establish vaccine safety and efficacy means that it might take some time for a licensed SARS-CoV-2 vaccine to be available to the general public, but there is growing optimism that one or more of these vaccine candidates will prove safe and effective by late 2020 or early 2021."

After a vaccine is proven effective, the challenge will be distributing it widely among the public.

Fauci was also asked during the hearing why the U.S. has been hit so much harder by the virus in recent months than other countries. He partially blamed what some states have done in reopening too quickly.

"We started off with a very difficult baseline of transmission that was going on at the time we tried to open up the country," he said. "The reasons for that are complex. There are some states that did it very well and there are some states that did not. And when I say did not I mean we put out... the guidelines of a gateway phase one, phase two, phase three, some were followed very carefully and some were not. And those situations in which it were not, that led to the surging that you're showing on your chart there."

The prepared testimony by the health experts expressed concern about the possible confluence of coronavirus and the flu at the same time, potentially presenting challenges to efforts to reopen schools.

"If there is COVID-19 and flu activity at the same time, this could place a tremendous burden on the health care system related to bed occupancy, laboratory testing needs, personal protective equipment and health care worker safety," their prepared testimony said.

There was also some political posturing by the top members of the committee, with Democrats slamming the Trump administration's coronavirus response and Republicans defending the president.

"On our current course, experts predict another 150,000 Americans could lose their lives" to the virus by the end of 2020, Clyburn said. "The administration has failed on testing, while they were given warnings including from this committee, that millions more tests were needed."

Clyburn added that "the White House pressured" the CDC to change its advice that opening schools in-person presented significant dangers. "The United States coronavirus response stands out among the worst of any country in the world," Clyburn said.

"Urgent need for a plan -- that's not a title of a hearing that's a political narrative, and a false political narrative," committee Ranking Member Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., said. He held up a large stack of papers produced by the Trump administration on responding to the coronavirus.

In defending the president, Scalise asked Fauci about a number of measures taken by the administration to contain the virus -- including shutting down travel from China early in the pandemic. In response, Fauci said that he agreed with the decisions and that he believed they saved lives.

Scalise also slammed some Democratic governors who have been criticized for allowing coronavirus positive patients to enter nursing homes. "If all governors would have followed those guidelines, thousands more seniors in nursing homes would have been alive today, if just five governors followed your plan that was developed by President Trump," he said.

Scalise further criticized China over its efforts to coverup the breakout of the disease in its early stages this year and warned about "damage" to children when schools don't reopen.

Redfield, in his opening statement, said public health experts are working to close disparities in how the coronavirus affects different communities -- it has hit African Americans a lot harder than other races, especially White people.

"This is the most complex public health response this nation has undertaken in more than a century. This virus is indiscriminate regarding whom and when it strikes. We can continue to learn its characteristics, its behavior and its effect on Americans across the social-economic spectrum," Redfield said.

"I want to strongly emphasize that we are not defenseless now. We have powerful tools," Redfield said.

Among them, Redfield said, are "wearing a simple mask, properly. It's critical to limiting the transmission. Be smart about social distancing and being in crowded spaces. Stay six feet apart from others if possible and be vigilant about hand hygiene."

He added: "Together, we can turn the tide of this pandemic."

Fauci's appearance before the committee comes after he was blocked by the White House from appearing in early May. The White House called such a testimony “counterproductive” in the heat of the pandemic, but allowed him to testify before Senate committees.

"The House is a setup," Trump told reporters in May. "The House is a bunch of Trump haters. They put every Trump hater on the committee. The same old stuff. They, frankly, want our situation to be unsuccessful, which means death."

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Not a fan of Meghan McCain, but in this instance I agree with her.


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Meghan McCain hits Fauci for answer on whether protests spread COVID: 'Part of the reason Republicans are so pissed'
'The View' host slams Fauci after he refused say whether government should limit protesting

Sam Dorman
Published 15 hours ago

"The View" co-host Meghan McCain tweeted on Friday that Dr. Anthony Fauci's recent comments before Congress showed why Republicans were angry amid shutdowns and restrictions related to the coronavirus pandemic.

She was responding to a video clip in which Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, asked Fauci whether the U.S. government should block protests in the wake of George Floyd's death. "Should government limit the protesting?" Jordan asked. Fauci, who said protesting without masks could spread the virus, said he wasn't sure how Jordan's question was "relevant."

"Come on man!!!" McCain tweeted in response. "This is part of the reason republicans are so pissed - Fauchi [sic] will comment on everything from what kind of tinder sex people can have to baseball but protesting... not his department."

She was apparently referring to Fauci saying the MLB season could be "in danger" and that people could hookup on Tinder if they're willing to take the risk.

Fauci has pushed universal mask-wearing, closing bars, and avoiding crowds in response to the pandemic.

He controversially praised New York's response to the virus during an interview earlier this month. “We've got to do the things that are very clear that we need to do to turn this around," Fauci told PBS NewsHour. "Remember, we can do it. We know that when you do it properly, you bring down those cases. We've done it. We've done it in New York."
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‘A recipe for disaster’: Charlie Baker rips ‘lapses in judgment’ contributing to coronavirus uptick in Massachusetts
"If we continue to see rises in positive test rates, we’re going to have to make some changes."

By Nik DeCosta-Klipa, Boston.com Staff
July 31, 2020 | 5:06 PM

Gov. Charlie Baker says a “troubling” pattern of COVID-19 clusters is to blame for the recent uptick in cases in Massachusetts.

And during a press conference Friday afternoon, Baker forcefully denounced a series of “disturbing reports of large gatherings” where people were not wearing masks or socially distancing, which he said was contributing to the increase.

“These lapses in judgment — these missed opportunities to keep the door that we all worked so hard to close shut — are contributing to a slight, but important, rise in positive cases here in Massachusetts,” the Republican governor said.

Baker reiterated that, for the most part, Massachusetts residents had “done the right thing,” driving down the rate of coronavirus infections and hospitalizations in the previously hard-hit state, even as other regions of the country deal with “uncontrolled outbreaks.”

“But COVID does not follow any rules,” he said. “We should not and cannot let our guard down.”

However, Baker went on to tick off a number of instances where people were doing just that.

The governor mentioned a lifeguard party in Falmouth that resulted in at least eight cases and a cluster linked to a house party in Chatham. He also announced that officials were investigating potential clusters linked to an unauthorized football camp in South Weymouth, a high school graduation in Chelmsford, a large house party in Wrentham, and a 90-person prom party in Cohasset.

Baker said the gatherings were planned by young people and adults and demonstrate “an at-times unwillingness to accept” the “invisible” and highly contagious nature of the virus. The governor said another recently reported cluster at a Springfield hospital occurred after employees got “lax” about wearing face coverings in the break rooms.

Officials are also investigating several COVID-19 cases linked to a party on a private boat in Boston Harbor, he said, though it’s unclear if Baker was referring to the same cruise that was photographed and widely reported on earlier in the week.

“The situations I just recapped are a recipe for disaster and need to stop if we want to continue to reopen and get back to a new normal,” Baker said.

Marylou Sudders, the state’s secretary of health and human services, said Friday that cluster investigations are launched when two individuals, who are not from the same household, test positive for the coronavirus after being at the same event. And she said they can balloon into much more widespread outbreaks, noting that the Weymouth football camp included kids from 17 different communities.

Baker had previously pushed back against the notion that Massachusetts might need to reverse course in its reopening plan, attributing the recent increase to people simply not following the state’s guidance. Over roughly the last two weeks, the state’s positive COVID-19 test rate — which hovered as high as 30 percent at its peak in Massachusetts — has increased from 1.7 percent to 2 percent over the last two weeks. Baker called it a “slow creep.” But if it continued, he said the administration would “have to consider a number of options,” including reducing the 25-person limit on indoor gatherings to a smaller number.

“If we continue to see rises in positive test rates, we’re going to have to make some changes,” Baker said.

While he acknowledged that canceling certain plans and other sacrifices — especially during New England’s limited warm-weather months — may be “difficult,” Baker reflected on the much greater hardships local health care workers faced at the outset of the surge in COVID-19 cases in Massachusetts, often working double shifts without proper protective gear to save lives.

“When I talk to any of those people now, they say, ‘I am so grateful that Massachusetts finally got to the point where we could actually catch our breath, figure out what our staffing models need to look like, actually maybe have a day off once and a while, and not spend every moment of every day worrying about how many people I was going to have to try to save or lose when I came to work,”’ Baker said.

“If this whole thing goes south, it’s going to land on them,” he added. “And they’re the ones who just finished helping us dig out under really trying circumstances.”

As of Thursday afternoon, there had been 8,375 confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 in Massachusetts, along with 109,400 total infections.

During the press conference Friday, the administration also announced the launch of a new “#MaskUpMA” campaign, featuring videos of Baker, Lt. Gov. Karyn Polito, and others urging residents to wear a face covering. The state’s entire House delegation also posed for a photo kicking off the public awareness effort Friday.
#MaskUpMassachusetts pic.twitter.com/FFYl4GUzue
— Congresswoman Lori Trahan (@RepLoriTrahan) July 31, 2020

Baker noted that the state’s contact tracing team would work with local officials to investigate potential clusters and follow up with people who may have been exposed to the virus. He said contact tracing is a critical part of the state’s COVID-19 mitigation efforts, since it could notify potentially infected individuals before they spread the disease to others.

“But the best way to deal with a cluster is to not have one in the first place,” Baker said.

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Agree. And I thought Pres Trump was an anti-vaccine person. He's pushing this vaccine hard, I wonder if that's because it's election season and he thinks he has to be on board with the program. This video is long, but if you click on the link that is in super small font under the video, it takes you to the 36 minute mark - which is right to the spot he talks about the miltary and vaccines.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2145&v=hTLUT9EG1m0

39min 32 sec
"We have the military all lined up and the military will do it in a very powerful manner."
We've never need the military for a vaccine before. What are they going to do to us? This is not voluntary. This is by force from the powerful military. So, they can blow my head off but I do know that they can't inject me.
 

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Indiana, Elkhart County

Mixed messages on COVID assessment
By RASMUS S. JORGENSEN rjorgensen@elkharttruth.com Jul 31, 2020 Updated 20 hrs ago

ELKHART — County officials charged with leading the local response to the COVID-19 pandemic have some residents confused.

How can we be plateauing, getting better, and have little idea where we are going all in the same week, some are asking after Elkhart County Health Officer Dr. Lydia Mertz on Friday announced her recommendation that local schools should resume at least some in-person instruction as planned.

On Monday, Elkhart County Emergency Management Director Jennifer Tobey said the Indiana State Department of Health numbers for new COVID-19 cases in the county were “misleading” because of the delay in getting tests processed.

“We’re still high. We’re not going down, but we’re also not going up. We kind of leveled off a little bit,” she said in an interview Monday.

On Wednesday, Melanie Sizemore, public information officer for the county Health Department, said “getting accurate data right now is nearly impossible,” because of the backlog for test results.

Then Friday, Mertz made the announcement that students should go back to school, as the “the advantages of in-person instruction outweigh that small risk at this time.”

Mertz acknowledged that Elkhart County has been a hot spot for the coronavirus.

“However, late last week, and continuing this week, we have seen the positivity rate start to decline. Experience from other hot spots shows that once the viral spread starts to decline, it continues downward rapidly. Elkhart County seems to be following that pattern,” her announcement said.

In mid-March, as the coronavirus was closing in on Elkhart County, which at that point had no confirmed cases, Mertz recommended keeping schools open. The same day, all seven school districts in Elkhart County announced they would temporarily close.

No one on the same page
Friday, Mertz’s letter received more than 100 comments within a few hours of being posted to the department’s Facebook page. Many comments were from confused residents.

“I find it very interesting that we have the same 7-day positivity rate (6%) as our neighboring St Joe county yet the recommendations from the two local health department offices seem to have different opinions. It is also hard to say you are making the right choice with so many test results still outstanding due to backlogs,” Tamara Smaka wrote.

“Ok now I’m really concerned no one’s on the same page,” Thomas V. Bona wrote.

According to Tobey, the change in the county’s perspective on the local outbreak is partly based on Mertz having recently taken a deeper dive into local data with a state epidemiologist. ( Interesting...)

“There is some evidence there that we are starting to flatten the curve and masks and working, and our numbers are going down,” Tobey said. “Overall, it does appear that we’re showing some improvement.”

She said the county is getting some contradicting information, including that the ISDH testing sites there have been here recently due to Elkhart County being a hot spot will now stay through August.

“And the reason I was given that they are now here through August is because Elkhart is still a hot spot and lots of testing is still occurring,” Tobey said.

The ISDH site at North Side Gym is the busiest testing site in Indiana, averaging 150 to 200 tests a day, Tobey had been told by the site director.

Infections not the whole story
As for Tobey’s comments that Elkhart County had reached a plateau, she said that she was talking about more than just infections.

“I don’t necessarily like to focus specifically on numbers because of the fact that the labs are so behind,” she said.

County officials are looking at infection numbers in the longer term and considering other relevant information such as hospitalizations and deaths. Unlike Indiana as a whole, Elkhart County has seen a surge in deaths in July, which has been the deadliest month locally so far.

But data available from ISDH do show a recent downward trend in new COVID-19 cases and in the positive test rate, which is what Mertz cited in her decision to recommend that schools move to in-person instruction.

However, Tobey said there is still reason to be cautious, since recent data still do not show the whole picture, given the 600-700 tests that have yet to be processed.

“If those 600-700 tests come back 75 percent negative, we are going down. That’s great! But if they come back 75 percent positive, then we’re not. We’re still trending upward,” she said.

However, the county as a whole has a test positivity rate of 13.4 percent for all tests since March, when testing began, and recent rates have been lower. But it is impossible to know if the outstanding tests came particularly infected populations, Tobey said. Test positivity rates on individual days have hit more than 25 percent before, though mostly in the early stages of the local outbreak. The only day in July to have a positivity rate above 20 percent was July 5, at 28.6 percent. The county’s all-time high for one day was 42.1 percent on April 11.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Team that was recently in Elkhart County was scheduled to deliver a report on July 23, uncovering why the area had become a COVID-19 hot spot. Because of the delay in getting all the relevant data in the county, the report will now be completed around Aug. 10, Sizemore said this week. Though main findings will be made public, it was unclear whether the entire report will be available for anyone to read.

Test results from 505 individuals in Elkhart County were reported Friday, with 55 new confirmed infections, taking the total to 4,521. One more person has died, bringing the county’s total to 76 COVID-19 deaths since March. Thirty-one of them occurred in July.

Indiana as a whole continued to see high numbers with 912 new cases and 19 additional deaths, bringing the total death count in the state to 2,765.

 
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