bw
Fringe Ranger
A sonic boom isn't a single event in a single location. A plane is generating a sonic boom as long as it's flying supersonic. That can go for a hundred or thousand miles.
ALERT Loud "boom" DC area - UPDATE - Was unresponsive private plane that crashed in Virginia
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the author of that post was "Anonymous" so I have no idea how to get in touch with them to relaythat information.
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These pilot lads are making a good case for being shot down....
www.pilotsofamerica.com
Something going on around DC
Hi folks, I'm hearing news of sonic booms in DC and a Citation down in SW Virginia. Lots of rumors (perhaps just that) on twitter. What's up folks?
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These pilot lads are making a good case for being shot down....
Something going on around DC
Hi folks, I'm hearing news of sonic booms in DC and a Citation down in SW Virginia. Lots of rumors (perhaps just that) on twitter. What's up folks?
Discussion at Airliners.net is not leaning that way.
(post 45 for link)
Buick Electra
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Buick Electra
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I can't even imagine their loss!
Florida Businessman Says ‘Entire Family’ Was on Crashed Plane Behind D.C. Chaos
John Rumpel, a prominent Florida businessman, told The Washington Post his “entire family” was on the plane when it crashed—including his daughter, a grandchild and her nanny.
www.thedailybeast.com
I pinged Jaybird, he flies a Citation some.
1911user
Veteran Member
It would definitely be nice to have his take on this.
Short version, consistent with rapid depressurization.
He flies a V, is very familiar.
He flies a V, is very familiar.
Hummm.......
Knoxville's Joker
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The whole story sounds odd, but it sounds like the Cesna incursion caused a knee jerk reaction. Odds are it was the F-16s going super sonic. Odder still is the company owner of the jet making you think it was a targeted attack that failed...
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I’ll say, or suggest it, pilot has an unspecified medical event. Leans onto the stick, turns and dives. Did it seem like there were any flight-capable family members on board? Perhaps they couldn’t get him off the controls to take over? I’m sure the pilot was in tip top medical condition, at the insistence of the owner.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
wobble
Veteran Member
This is starting to remind me a little bit of the motorcade tragedy in 2020 that killed Harrison Deal.
Lin Wood Tweet 2020:
View: https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1336011113838882820?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1336011113838882820%7Ctwgr%5Ec325717d5bde8b9bea1ec7c46e9466712b011364%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Fnews%2Fpro-trump-lawyer-lin-wood-floats-deranged-conspiracy-that-death-of-brian-kemps-daughters-boyfriend-was-planned%2F
[I'm just making an observation, not an endorsement.]
www.dailymail.co.uk
The Rumpels are large-scale donors to conservative political candidates, including former President Donald Trump, having given a combined $250,000 to a PAC supporting Trump's 2020 campaign.
They've also donated to Senate candidate Herschel Walker and Congressional candidate Laura Loomer.
Barbara Rumpel was also a co-chair of 'Second Amendment Coalition for Trump-Pence' in 2016. She has been on the NRA's Women's Leadership Council since 2002 and spent more than six years on the organization's executive committee.
The Rumpels have even committed their entire real estate portfolio to the pro-second amendment group.
'We want to leave a legacy that will help preserve this country as we know it and as it is meant to be,' Barbara wrote in a statement on an NRA website.
Lin Wood Tweet 2020:
View: https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1336011113838882820?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1336011113838882820%7Ctwgr%5Ec325717d5bde8b9bea1ec7c46e9466712b011364%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Fnews%2Fpro-trump-lawyer-lin-wood-floats-deranged-conspiracy-that-death-of-brian-kemps-daughters-boyfriend-was-planned%2F
[I'm just making an observation, not an endorsement.]
NRA director pays heartbreaking tribute to family killed in crash
Barbara Rumpel, a businesswoman and member of the NRA Leadership Form, posted Sunday, confirming that her daughter and granddaughter died in the crash.
The Rumpels are large-scale donors to conservative political candidates, including former President Donald Trump, having given a combined $250,000 to a PAC supporting Trump's 2020 campaign.
They've also donated to Senate candidate Herschel Walker and Congressional candidate Laura Loomer.
Barbara Rumpel was also a co-chair of 'Second Amendment Coalition for Trump-Pence' in 2016. She has been on the NRA's Women's Leadership Council since 2002 and spent more than six years on the organization's executive committee.
The Rumpels have even committed their entire real estate portfolio to the pro-second amendment group.
'We want to leave a legacy that will help preserve this country as we know it and as it is meant to be,' Barbara wrote in a statement on an NRA website.
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desertvet2
Veteran Member
Never put all of your eggs in one basket.
mzkitty
I give up.
Kind of what I thought too. Terrifying.............. 
*snip*
According to an earlier report by ABC News, a U.S. official stated that the pilot of the Cessna appeared to have “passed out” while at the controls.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
*snip*
According to an earlier report by ABC News, a U.S. official stated that the pilot of the Cessna appeared to have “passed out” while at the controls.
WaPo: Owner of the Cessna Aircraft Confirms "Entire Family" was Aboard on the Plane that Crashed in Virginia - Pilot "Passed Out" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft
On Sunday, The Gateway Pundit reported that anexplosion-like soundshocked the residents in the vicinity of Washington DC, echoing across nearby areas in Maryland and Virginia.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
ChicagoMan74
ULTRA MAGA
I'm going with one of Hillary's "friends".
They must have all lost consciousness - not just the pilot - or there would have been an attempt to communicate with whoever was there and willing to attempt a lower altitude to try a landing. Sounded like there were two adult female passengers and one grand-daughter aboard besides the pilot
Must have been a cabin decompression and they all went lights-out at about the same time.
Must have been a cabin decompression and they all went lights-out at about the same time.
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Would the black show that?
The black what? I must’ve missed something?
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Kind of what I thought too. Terrifying..............
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According to an earlier report by ABC News, a U.S. official stated that the pilot of the Cessna appeared to have “passed out” while at the controls.
WaPo: Owner of the Cessna Aircraft Confirms "Entire Family" was Aboard on the Plane that Crashed in Virginia - Pilot "Passed Out" | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft
On Sunday, The Gateway Pundit reported that anexplosion-like soundshocked the residents in the vicinity of Washington DC, echoing across nearby areas in Maryland and Virginia.
Another reason why the push for single pilot flights in commercial aviation is a very bad idea.
eens
Nuns with Guns
Probably forgot 'box'. Black box.
Profit of Doom
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Sorry. Black box. Brain assumes thumb has been keeping up. Voice recorder should be informative. Would this plane have them?
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
why not? It wasn't that long ago (pre-Covid) that out west a small plane flew for quite a long time, as I recall, with the pilot (and I seem to remember others aboard, too) passed out. They determined afterward something happened that caused the pilot / passengers to pass out.Not passing the smell test for me...
Now I know that can be 'made' to happen--but in these "post-Covid" days there are also the elites who refuse to fly with a vaxxed pilot, so there's that.
If there were 4 people aboard (as I've heard)--
then you have:
1. the pilot
2. the nanny (who may or may not be a native speaker of English, if she was an au pair)
3. the mother (who was likely holding her baby)
4. the baby
Most likely neither of the women knew the first thing about flying a plane--perhaps even to the point of not knowing how to turn on / answer the radio. May have even panicked / gone hysterical when they couldn't wake the pilot up. OR...could have been passed out themselves.
If it was a revenge-killing (a la Hildebeast et al)--then wouldn't they have targeted the mama-and-papa-bears of the company, rather than a nameless pilot, nanny, and the daughter / grand-daughter?
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Yeah--here is the story I remember, from 1999. Plane flew four hours on autopilot with pilot / passengers passed out inside--no one could help them. Finally crashed in South Dakota:
Did 6 die hours before crash?<BR> Golfer's plane flew on autopilot as nation watched helplessly
WASHINGTON -- A Learjet that took off from Orlando, Fla., Monday, carrying golfer Payne Stewart and apparently five others, traveled a wayward path across the country for four hours with no one at the controls shadowed by Air Force jets that watched it finally crash in a South Dakota field...
www.deseret.com
Did 6 die hours before crash?
Golfer’s plane flew on autopilot as nation watched helplessly
By Deseret News
Oct 26, 1999, 2:00am EDT
Matthew L. Wald New York Times News Service
WASHINGTON -- A Learjet that took off from Orlando, Fla., Monday, carrying golfer Payne Stewart and apparently five others, traveled a wayward path across the country for four hours with no one at the controls shadowed by Air Force jets that watched it finally crash in a South Dakota field. Everyone on board, including the two pilots, was killed.
Federal investigators said the pilots appeared to have lost consciousness or died, possibly from a lack of oxygen, shortly before they were supposed to turn west toward Dallas, their intended destination.The plane crashed after running out of fuel, ending the life of one of golf's most recognizable figures, known as much for his traditional knickers and tam-o'-shanter as for his achievements on the course. Stewart won his first major tournament, the Professional Golfers' Association championship, in 1989, and followed it up with a victory in the U.S. Open two years later. But he went into a slump, and his success tapered off over the next seven years. In this year's Open, in June at Pinehurst in North Carolina, he outdueled Phil Mickelson by sinking a 15-foot putt on the last hole. It was the longest putt to ever decide the Open on the final hole.
Stewart had been headed for a tournament in Texas.
The twin-engine, high-performance, $2.5 million jet, which can carry eight passengers, left Orlando at 9:19 a.m. The pilots' last contact with air traffic controllers was routine, at about 9:45, when the plane was northwest of Gainsville, Fla. But the pilots stopped responding to air traffic controllers soon after.
Controllers at the Federal Aviation Administration's Jacksonville center called the Air Force, which dispatched planes from Tyndall Air Force Base in northern Florida; from Eglin Air Force Base, in the Florida panhandle; and from bases in Tulsa, Okla., and Fargo, N.D. An Air Force F16 pilot reported that there was no movement in the cockpit and the plane appeared to be on autopilot.
Capt. Chris Hamilton, another Air Force pilot, reported that the windows of the Learjet were fogged, possibly a sign that the cabin had become so chilled with stratospheric air that the moisture in the cabin atmosphere had spread itself like dew or frost on the windows. That may have been from loss of cabin pressure or from smoke on board, experts said.
Hamilton said, "It's a very helpless feeling to pull up alongside another aircraft and realize the people inside that aircraft potentially are unconscious or in some other way incapacitated.
"And there's nothing I can do physically from my aircraft even though I'm 50 to 100 feet away, to help them at all."
A sudden loss of pressurization in the "very hostile" environment of high-altitude flight is extremely rare for civilian aircraft -- and very unforgiving, aviation experts say.
It could have been brought on by a blown door or window seal. Experts interviewed after the crash considered that the most likely scenario because the two pilots aboard Stewart's Lear 35 did not broadcast a mayday.
"If you are in the cabin of a Learjet, you are in a very small pressure vessel, quite different than a DC-10, 757 or a large passenger jet," said John Nance, a veteran airline captain and aviation analyst.
"Almost certainly something blew out. It could have been a window, a door seal or a duct seal. Whatever it was, it doesn't take much to empty the cabin (of oxygen) of a Lear because it's a very small," he added.
The human body has limited ability to function above 10,000 feet. As the altitude increases, the air thins, and two things happen: There is less oxygen in the air; and there is less pressure to force that oxygen through the lungs and into the blood stream.
Airplane designers compensate by pressurizing the cabin area. Normally, the atmosphere inside a plane never feels any higher than 8,000 feet, despite the actual height of the aircraft.
If a plane loses pressure, a warning light goes on in the cockpit and oxygen masks drop from the ceiling. People use them -- if they are able.
In aviation circles, there is a term known as "time of useful consciousness." It is the measure of the time the body can cope without oxygen, and it diminishes quickly with altitude.
At 20,000 feet, the time is 10 minutes. At 26,000 feet, it is two minutes. At 30,000 feet, it is 30 seconds. At 40,000 feet, it is 15 seconds.
FAA officials said Stewart's plane ultimately climbed as high as 51,000 feet during its wayward flight across the nation's heartland, most probably on autopilot.
The FAA routed air traffic around the Learjet and kept planes from flying under it.
The plane cruised 1,400 miles straight, across half a dozen states. Authorities say the plane was "porpoising," fluctuating between 22,000 and 51,000 feet.
Stewart's Australian-born wife, Tracey, tried to reach her husband on his cellular phone while she followed the drama on television, her brother said.
It hit the fix for approach and wasn't disengaged to land, so it headed for the last waypoint...flew until empty.
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Thought something would record all sound in cockpit, not just radio comms. Not my expertise.
Masterphreak
Senior Member
Depends, smaller private aircraft are not required to have flight recorders. Sometimes it is an option that can be added if the owners want to pay the extra cost for them. It might only have a data recorder that records flight parameters. Most smaller private planes rarely have voice recorders.
They are required on all commercial aircraft.
Edited to add: Even if equipped with a voice recorder they usually only record a max of 2 hours, older models only 30 minutes. If the cause of the depressurization happened too far back in the flight before the crash, then the recorder would have recorded over it.
BornFree
Came This Far
Doe the data recorder record loss of cabin pressure?
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Did the article mention if it crashed into a cow on methane suppressant medication by chance?
Masterphreak
Senior Member
Maybe, without knowing if or what model recorder it had. It would just be a guess. The flight was tracked down to around 10,000 feet via ADSB data. Kinda sounds like it kept flying until it ran dry. The engines would have kept providing enough electrical power via windmilling to keep electronics running for a short time after flameout. When a twin-engine jet runs out of fuel one engine usually flames out first followed shortly by the other. This causes an asymmetrical thrust situation, without pilot correction via the rudder the plane will go into a steep spiraling descent. If the pilot was already incapacitated the plane is doomed.