GOV/MIL 'It hasn’t been a good deployment' | Mom describes her National Guard son's experience protecting DC

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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I told a boss that once.

Your job is to give us the work assignments.
My job is to bitch about it.

She looked at me strangely after that....lol

When I finally parted ways with the military, I promised me that I'd never be in a position where my employer owned me...ever again.

It finally reached the point that I'd tell them, "You hired me to help your facility run. I'm good enough at what I do that I can have other work before I punch out".

Had to prove it to one. Told them to stick it, I wasn't far out of the parking lot when they reconsidered. Told them "no thanks, I have to be at work somewhere else in the morning. " :lol:
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
When I finally parted ways with the military, I promised me that I'd never be in a position where my employer owned me...ever again.

It finally reached the point that I'd tell them, "You hired me to help your facility run. I'm good enough at what I do that I can have other work before I punch out".

Had to prove it to one. Told them to stick it, I wasn't far out of the parking lot when they reconsidered. Told them "no thanks, I have to be at work somewhere else in the morning. " :lol:
I really hated working for others. It was like a new form of slavery to me. I understood they paid me to do what they wanted on their clock, but it really sucked.

Life is so much greener when you work for yourself.
 

mourningdove

Pura Vida in my garden
If Biden manages to get into the White House they can expect much more of this kind of treatment. Hopefully this will make them VERY angry.
But Biden is not in charge now. Trump is. If this story is true, heads should roll because our military deserves to be treated like the hero’s they are.
 

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
You wonder why there are no volunteers. They deserve at least three hots and a cot. My father had that much in Europe during WW2 even if it was the company mule and a leaf bed.
 

bcingu

Senior Member
Where is there TA-50? I see some sleeping mats & some poncho liners but, where are there sleeping bags? why is there no uniformity? Some are wearing fleece jackets but I see no field jackets, watch caps, pile caps, or issue gloves. Where is their chain of command, SGTMAJs, & FIRST SGTs?
So the pictures are of soldiers on duty, sleeping? that is worse than they have no equipment.
How pathetic as a retired NCO I would be EMBARRASSED & PISSED f that was my unit.
 

Chicken Mama

Veteran Member
Each man in the unit is responsible for packing his own gear bags so if they deployed with 2-3 pairs of socks, that's their own fault. Same with sleeping mat/bag, other necessities. I suspect they thought they'd be sleeping in a comfy hotel. Their lack of preparedness doesn't sit well with me.

The son in the OP was calling mommy days in? Man up, dude. Hell, woman up.
 
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1eagle

Veteran Member
"No laundry service is available after her son brought enough clothing for two days"
lol.. Should be able to go weeks in the same uniform and an occasional handwashing of socks.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Nobody told them it was a battle-level deployment??

CoC screw up. Feeding?? CoC Screw up. Donny has NO direct control of that end of the CoC.

Hell when I was their age I hitched across the country and back, on 3 pr of sox, 3 pr of shorts, 1 jeans, and one cut-off shorts, 3 tee shirts. Only reason my bag was a tad larger than some might have expected was the cast splint which I used if I screwed up my knee again (got the surgery slightly later).
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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In the picture from the OP, I'm seeing only one inflatable type sleeping pad and just one thin closed cell foam pad. Most of the packs are the smaller "72 hour assault packs" and maybe a few ancient medium sized "molle" packs. For sleeping gear, only a handful of poncho liners.

The original MSS Modular Sleep System (I own one) is very warm but it is huge in volume and weighs a whopping 10 pounds. The newer version of the MSS is not that much smaller or lighter. The MSS is definitely too big to go inside of a pack.

As already mentioned, no evidence of winter parkas or other bulky winter items.

I wonder what these units were actually ordered to bring to this deployment. It looks like they were told to bring a small to medium pack and a weapon. There is very little sustainment equipment in evidence.

Deploying 21,000+ troops is a major logistical operation.

I'm not impressed by what I am seeing.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I agree if this was a 2nd or 3rd world assignment like New Jersey. This is the USA Capitol. There should be top notch food / beds / etc.
Or at least a damn cot and some hot coffee.

I'm sorry but if true, this is ridiculous. I could understand if this was somewhere in the wilds of Afghanistan but this is our nation's capital. We've got indoor plumbing now! They've been sent in a week early to do what? Build fences and patrol an area that most people wish would just sink back into the swamp that it rose from?

I don't know how close to the reality of the situation it came, but if you remember the television show MASH, it always appeared that the medical unit was under supplied. Everything from bandages to SOCKS seemed to be in short supply and at a premium. But that was in KOREA not here in the U.S. NO EXCUSE.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I suspect they thought they'd be sleeping in a comfy hotel. Their lack of preparedness doesn't sit well with me.

Perhaps they were told they would be put up in hotels? It would not be the first time that evil excuse of a mayor, changed her dance in the middle of the song.
 

LibertyMom

Senior Member
The NG conversation with his mom was almost certainly not intended for the public, and she may have added some spin of her own. Though if he had been active duty, you would expect his immediate family to understand OPSEC.

The “optics” of them sleeping in the Capitol on the hard marble floor and not appearing to have sufficient gear makes it look like a last-minute deployment without much prep or advance support. Those with better experience can analyze the gear better than I can, but as a Scout leader, I would say none of them were expecting a “deployment to the Capitol to support the innauguration” to be a sleep-in-the-field-and-scavange-for-your-own-food-and-supplies kind of deployment, and why would they? If you are at war and dropped on the front lines, you probably do expect a good amount of “embrace the suck”. You might even expect to not have sufficient gear or hot food because it’s WAR dontcha know! This is all kinds of weird.
 

LibertyMom

Senior Member
And I did hear onWTOP yesterday that the NG would be staying in area hotels. Not sure whether it is the persistence of photos taken on day one or a lag in getting them all checked-in, but I do hope that they have rooms because I can only imagine how miserable it would be to stand and sleep on a marble floor all day.
 
The truth lies somewhere between the soldiers Mom's story and the reporter's version.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was pure fabrication on someone's part for whatever reason there is.

People sometimes have some pretty fck'd up reason's for the stories they tell, and reporters are the worst of them all.
 

Sooth

Veteran Member
Port-a-Pots? Field mess? TA-50? Armed? Do they get a side of ammunition with that "armed" order? This is pure side show and circus at the expense of these troops. And as asked above, where the hell is their NCO, company grade, field grade and Flag leadership? Wonder how many will be COVID positive in two weeks.
FUBAR.
 

sjhenderson

Senior Member
On another note. IMOM these men/women are in DC to intimidate fellow citizens into not expressing their contempt for our Government or assembling freely. So they will have to grin and bear. I also agree they should have prepared better.
 

Sentinel

Veteran Member
Breaks my heart after all the oil rigs and floors I have slept on, cold, and getting food from corn fields and orange groves as we were broke. Grow a pair, or as the saying goes Ranger the $%#@ up, or go home.


They shouldn't have to. Help me remember, didn't we just send hundreds of millions of dollars overseas as part of a COVID relief bill, but we can't take proper care of our troops.
 

SAPPHIRE

Veteran Member
The troops are mere fodder to the demons in charge........clearly not worth providing decent conditions........no never in service myself or my family...........but pawns/fodder are expendable..........show's what all Amerikans have to look forward too....disdain and malice..........IMO
 

anna43

Veteran Member
I agree that a soldier has to suck up a lot of carp to do their duty. However, I really feel duty in the nations Capitol should not leave soldiers cold, hungry and sleeping on cement. Now if Congress critters were sleeping cold, hungry and on cement I would have zero sympathy.
 

Oldotaku

Veteran Member
It's still 5 days until the lies are a fait accompli. Five days of standing in the cold to protect a bunch of cheating a-holes from the people they are supposed to be responding to.

Gotta wonder about how many of those guys are thinking about the Clint Eastwood line from near the end of Kelly's Heroes:
...And Sargent, all you need to do to get an equal share of this money is to crank that turret around, and blow a hole in that door.
 

MajorMarv

Contributing Member
It never was meant to be fun but they had no choice in the matter. They are soldiers and are required to follow orders. This is not a good situation for them to be in.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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How it usually goes,

At their home Armory, in whatever state....

Fall out at 0300 for an inspection that doesn't happen 'til 0900. Somewhere in there they get some kind of crap breakfast.

Get all your gear together for loading up on a bus by 1100, the bus gets there at 1500.

Go to the airport for a flight that wasn't even scheduled to be there 'til 0900 the next day.

Fly to DC, unload off the plane and wait three hours for a bus.

The bus takes them to the capitol, because no other arrangements have been made.

Those guys laying around are just waiting for another bus that was supposed to be there 6 hours earlier.
 

Night Breeze

Veteran Member
No gas masks in sight sure would hate to get a snoot full of CS. Sleeping on the floor inside a building. No sweat did that in Iraq for six months. No laundry service, they got a wash cloth, razor, and I bet they get a shower more than one time a month. I never went anywhere after basic without a thermos (stainless steel) that I could refill. Learned to drink coffee hot and black because that was the only way I knew I could get it. No sugar or cream, please. I waited 3 months to make a phone call in Iraq and it was five minutes of heaven. While all this hard duty was going on of course we got nerve agent shots, took medications and shots that were never explained and they didn't even tell us what we were receiving. If you refused you were handcuffed and off to brig. 120 degree heat in the shade was bad, but anyone that was at Hohenfels or Graff when it was -26 degrees was not much fun either. A real soldier adapted to his situation and condition. The real problem was trying to understand what your mission was and then trying to figure if you could kill a civilian. Doesn't matter if the civilian is a BLM or red neck Georgia cracker. He or she has a mama and pappa too. You are trained and will do what you have to do but I don't think in 20 years under 3 Republican and 3 Democrat Presidents my pay never rose a cent while Democrats were running the show but all 3 Republicans gave us raises. Just shows you how time changes but conditions could always be worse.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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No gas masks in sight sure would hate to get a snoot full of CS. Sleeping on the floor inside a building. No sweat did that in Iraq for six months. No laundry service, they got a wash cloth, razor, and I bet they get a shower more than one time a month. I never went anywhere after basic without a thermos (stainless steel) that I could refill. Learned to drink coffee hot and black because that was the only way I knew I could get it. No sugar or cream, please. I waited 3 months to make a phone call in Iraq and it was five minutes of heaven. While all this hard duty was going on of course we got nerve agent shots, took medications and shots that were never explained and they didn't even tell us what we were receiving. If you refused you were handcuffed and off to brig. 120 degree heat in the shade was bad, but anyone that was at Hohenfels or Graff when it was -26 degrees was not much fun either. A real soldier adapted to his situation and condition. The real problem was trying to understand what your mission was and then trying to figure if you could kill a civilian. Doesn't matter if the civilian is a BLM or red neck Georgia cracker. He or she has a mama and pappa too. You are trained and will do what you have to do but I don't think in 20 years under 3 Republican and 3 Democrat Presidents my pay never rose a cent while Democrats were running the show but all 3 Republicans gave us raises. Just shows you how time changes but conditions could always be worse.

Thank you for your service!
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Last I heard the Mayor refused to allow National Guard to stay at the local hotels.

The treatment they are getting is standard for what liberals think they should have.

Lastly, don't blame Trump for this as he no longer has 100% control as people are turning on him now that he is nearly out of office.
THIS
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
And that inflatable mat dead center in the foreground of the pic is a 100 and change buck Thermarest self-inflating sleeping pad, arguably the best sleeping pad on ANY market.
Self-inflating, insulated, when fully inflated and valve closed it supports your extended supine or laterally recumbent body just off the floor.
Sybaritic pleasure when compared to ensolite.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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And that inflatable mat dead center in the foreground of the pic is a 100 and change buck Thermarest self-inflating sleeping pad, arguably the best sleeping pad on ANY market.
Self-inflating, insulated, when fully inflated and valve closed it supports your extended supine or laterally recumbent body just off the floor.
Sybaritic pleasure when compared to ensolite.

This is a good price on a genuine used GI issue mat. I've ordered from these folks in the past.

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The Therm-A-Rest Self-Inflating Sleep mat is a US Government Issue item that accompanies the conventional Military Sleep System. the mat will come with a simple repair kit, for quick fixes in the field. It features a self inflating valve that when open, fills the unrolled sleep mat with air. Once full, closing the valve keeps air trapped inside the mat, ensuring a comfortable barrier between the body and ground. It duly acts as an insulator, keeping your body heat from transferring to the cold ground.
Features:
  • No pump needed: Self-inflates in seconds
  • Genuine Military Issue
  • Constructed with thick weatherproof nylon
  • Quick repair kit included
  • Lightweight and easy to secure
USGI Therm-A-Rest Self-Inflating Mat | Ammo Can Man
 

Outlaw-16

Contributing Member
You know what comes across to me are the optics of deploying NG to DC. Sure, it looks like someone is serious about security or whatever, but look at how ill-prepared the troops are. 3-day packs, rifles with no magazines, clean skin plate carriers with no ammo and gear pouches, and sleeping on the floors.

Think back, Trump has stated several times his administration inherited a broken, reduced military.

Matter of time before some MSM hack says, 'hey, these guys don't have all the gear they're supposed to have. Trump pocketed the money that was supposed to be used to supply them with the best equipment for his wall.' or some such other bullshit they can come up with.

Also I have to look at the chain of command for these units. Sure, this call-up seems last minute, but, as these are NG troops, some with SWA (South West Asia) deployments, that's Middle East = Iraq, the Stan, etc, the individual troops should have been a bit more prepared. Those with deployments under their belt should have had the 'talk' with the others in their squad. The talk about how when deployed you can't count on anything finding you when you need it or want it.

Meaning you can't depend on hot chow therefore plan for that. You can't depend on the mail catching up with you, plan accordingly, you can't depend on supply finding you when you're short on what you need, plan for that. The only thing you can depend on, as soon as you're screwing off somewhere, the CO or SGM will show up. That's a given.

What all that means is these troops with some experience behind them, should be squad leaders, platoon leaders, and all should be familiar with a GOTH = Go To Hell plan. You plan for items not being there and support not reaching you. If you are getting cold chow, there are camping stoves and this place called Costco, or even the PX which they can access with their ID, where one finds bulk items, instant coffee, tea, apple cider, instant oatmeal, meal bars, snacks, etc. Al that should have been done prior to any deployments and these items standing ready for your squad or platoon when the time comes for a deployment.

As to there not being laundry service, if the soldier around which this OP was posted was able to leave the perimeter, there are coin operated laundromats in the area. If he's getting deliveries from a relative, that can work both ways. Relative can take dirty laundry, wash and return. Seems pretty simple solution to a minor problem.

Also, cell phones and food delivery works as well. Chow not finding you? Make a call, get something delivered. Do that often enough and word starts getting out to the senior NCOs that something smells about the supply and support chain. As its been said, shit rolls downhill. Get a couple of senior NCOs barking at the mess section sergeant and one will be surprised how fast food starts getting to the troops while its still warm.

Improvise, adapt, overcome used to be drilled into recruit's head. What happened to that?

I still say this is an optic for the media to exploit about how Trump says our military is the best equipped. I figure a matter of time before that happens.
 
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