I'm going upstream this election.

[Lurker]

After some thought and research I think I'm not going to vote for R/R; I'm going to go with Gary Johnson.

Yup, I'm tossing my vote away, yup I'm basically helping to secure O's return to the Oval Office.

But I've maintained for some time that O is getting back in whether by hook or crook. I still feel that way.

I feel the need to at least think my vote is going to count for something.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right but it makes me sick to think O and R are our only choices in a nation of over 300 million people and illegal immigrants.

I've done research on him a bit (not hours and hours worth but the basics) and he's more in tune with what I believe we should be doing.

No - I have NEVER voted third party or anything whacky so this will be a challenging change for me.



Flame away. Heavy duty Nomex reinforced with Kevlar is donned!

 

[WFK]

It is good that some can vote their conscience without getting O re-crowned!
There seems to be increasing understanding about the consequences of an O victory,
and that will allow you lucky duckie to do what you advertise.

 

[bbkaren]

I stand with Lurker, conscience clear.

 

[tm1439m]

Sorry asses.

 

[Troke]

And the best thing is when Romney becomes the Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century (assuming all the non-voters don't throw it to O) one can stand back, smile quietly and state; I didn't vote for either of them.

It will be a good feeling. Treasure it. It will be that last one you have.

 

[duchess47]

I'm in a battleground state. I don't have the luxury of wasting a vote.

 

[HighStrung]

I will be voting my conscience this time and from here on out. I know many other who will be doing the same, maybe if enough of us do it'll send the message that the sheep are waking up. Gary Johnson 2012.

 

[nomifyle]

I stand with Lurker, conscience clear.

My conscience is clear too, I'm voting for Romney/Ryan. I refuse to throw my vote to Obummer. And if the current is reelected then I surely hope that all who threw their vote his way don't complain about what will happen.

Judy

Judy

 

[medic38572]

After some thought and research I think I'm not going to vote for R/R; I'm going to go with Gary Johnson.

Yup, I'm tossing my vote away, yup I'm basically helping to secure O's return to the Oval Office.

But I've maintained for some time that O is getting back in whether by hook or crook. I still feel that way.

I feel the need to at least think my vote is going to count for something.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right but it makes me sick to think O and R are our only choices in a nation of over 300 million people and illegal immigrants.

I've done research on him a bit (not hours and hours worth but the basics) and he's more in tune with what I believe we should be doing.

No - I have NEVER voted third party or anything whacky so this will be a challenging change for me.



Flame away. Heavy duty Nomex reinforced with Kevlar is donned!

I am with Lurker

 

[ted]

I am still in shock that anyone can see any difference between o and r, let alone vote for either one.

 

[dstraito]

I'm torn now. If I vote my mind I vote Gary. If I try to cling to the notion that the same politics that got us into this mess can help us I vote Romney. If I decided that O is the best choice, since the country is going to collapse anyway and the best way to do it is to get it over with, kind of like ripping off a band-aid then I vote Gary.

2 to 1 odds in favor of Gary right now.

 

[marsh]

All I have to do is look at the actions put into motion Administratively by Obama to implement Agenda 21 to realize the damage his crew has done to our nation and to shiver at the final strokes he will implement in another 4 years. I know for a fact that Romney will reverse as much of that damage as he can - considering now entrenched liberal public servants. I know our National Forest intent group (Return to original Congressional mission) is dialoging with his top policy people. Rural people will see some relief from regulations and the agenda to remove them from the land. http://users.sisqtel.net/armstrng/agenda21.htm (about half of the way down.)

I hated Romney last time round. It was not until this Convention that I began to feel that he is a decent man with the skills and will to hack away at the top-heavy federal government and devolve functions and jurisdiction back to the states. I think he also knows the policies that will support small business and entrpreneuralism. I believe we will see regulatory cuts and bureaucratic relief. Rather than the "not Obama" candidate, I am actually supporting him. I also think that Paul Ryan will bring a breath of fresh air and an energy to the Administration that will be exciting.

We cannot afford to have Obama in the White House another four years.

 

[JF&P]

My conscience doesn't matter....seriously, I'm voting for r because of my three kids and nine grandkids and their futures....to hell with this idealistic political crap....

O and the dems are going to manipulate the vote as it is...so if O wins I will blame all those that took the unrealistic route.

 

[buttie]

Since I'm also in the state of Jefferson and all our electoral college votes will go to O regardless of who I vote for I voted for the candidate I really wanted. Really if you're not in a swing state you might as well vote your conscience.

 

[bobwohl]

Obama and Romney the same??? What the hell are you smoking???
Communist vs Capitalist..... BIG difference!!!
Obama....share the wealth....
Romney... Let's make some money...........

The choice is yours....continue down the spiral of share the waelth mantra,
Or go the capitalist route, and get America back to work...........

Jeesh...not rocket science here folks..............

 

[Hacker]

All I have to do is look at the actions put into motion Administratively by Obama to implement Agenda 21 to realize the damage his crew has done to our nation and to shiver at the final strokes he will implement in another 4 years. I know for a fact that Romney will reverse as much of that damage as he can - considering now entrenched liberal public servants. I know our National Forest intent group (Return to original Congressional mission) is dialoging with his top policy people. Rural people will see some relief from regulations and the agenda to remove them from the land. http://users.sisqtel.net/armstrng/agenda21.htm (about half of the way down.)

I hated Romney last time round. It was not until this Convention that I began to feel that he is a decent man with the skills and will to hack away at the top-heavy federal government and devolve functions and jurisdiction back to the states. I think he also knows the policies that will support small business and entrpreneuralism. I believe we will see regulatory cuts and bureaucratic relief. Rather than the "not Obama" candidate, I am actually supporting him. I also think that Paul Ryan will bring a breath of fresh air and an energy to the Administration that will be exciting.

We cannot afford to have Obama in the White House another four years.

Serious question, Marsh. Why do you believe Romney will do all that you say?

To me, Romney appears the same as Bams - endless war, paper money, NWO puppet.

 

[dvo]

Your choice OP....but not sure why you feel the need to tell us about it.

 

[Ranger]

Since I'm also in the state of Jefferson and all our electoral college votes will go to O regardless of who I vote for I voted for the candidate I really wanted. Really if you're not in a swing state you might as well vote your conscience.

This + 1! W WA will go Zer0! Con (together) science (knowing)
Knowing together a.k.a. COMMON SENSE.. The most uncommon
of the senses.

Ranger

 

[tiger13]

Any vote other than Romney, and you vote for Obama. That is my opinion. If you do not vote, you voted for Obama. If you vote for the Libertarian, you voted for Obama. If you write in Ron Paul, you voted for Obama.
Everyone bitches and moans that the country is dieing, yet they some how have found a crystal ball that can foretell the future of a Romney Presidency. You can only guess, or assume, or maybe secretly hope he fails, but to actually SEE that future of our country? NO you cannot. BUT let me tell you this, with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY WE HAVE SEEN the last 4 years under the leadership of Obama. Do you want another 4? Do you wish the consequences of those 4 years on your children? and their children? If you do then by all means polish your cyrstal balls and throw your vote away. Vote for Obama.

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

Really if you're not in a swing state you might as well vote your conscience.

So, because I am in a 'swing state' I should hold my nose and vote for Romney, the OTHER stinking globalist meat puppet?

I don't think so, scooter, to quote Ron White.

Just so you know, a vote for anyone other than the 2 candidates 'chosen' for selection is not a vote FOR Obama, nor is it a wasted vote. I will NEVER vote for Obama, any more than I would vote FOR the 'other' candidate selected to oppose him just to get him out. Either candidate of the manipulated 2 party system is more of the same.

Obama is no longer useful to the ones who control our selections. Voting Romney is NOT voting against 'Obama" despite what many believe, rather it is STILL a vote for those who have our destruction as a great nation as their objective.

Vote however you want, don't vote, vote 'against' one rather than 'for' one. None of it really matters in the scheme of things.

The authority of government depends upon the consent of the governed.

I will not give my consent to either Obama or Romney.

Oh, and I have children and grandchildren just as people have had for millenia. I ALWAYS vote with them in mind.

 

[more ammo]

My conscience is clear too, I'm voting for Romney/Ryan. I refuse to throw my vote to Obummer. And if the current is reelected then I surely hope that all who threw their vote his way don't complain about what will happen.

Judy

Judy

I am doing the same.We are truly done as a nation if the kenyan wins.

 

[FarOut]

Has everyone forgotten Ross Perot? How his canadacy enabled Clinton to win? Do you really think your dedication to principle will matter when the Homeland Security goons shove your family into the cattle car? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

 

[DannyBoy]

Lurker, that is how Mr. Clinn-tonn got elected, TWICE, and the Kenyan is worlds worse. Clinn-tonn at least somewhat cares about this nation... at least I don't THINK he wants to destroy his source of "fun". The Kenyan? Different story.

ETA: thank you FarOut, at least two of us remember...

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

Has everyone forgotten Ross Perot? How his canadacy enabled Clinton to win? Do you really think your dedication to principle will matter when the Homeland Security goons shove your family into the cattle car? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

Whatever. That was then and this is now. Perot was the one that sealed the deal with regards to convincing 'we, the people' that the only 2 choices are the ones chosen for us.

Have any of you who buy this line of spoon-fed BS really ever stopped to think what would have happened if more of 'us' had actually voted for Perot rather than buying the '2 party as viable differences' line of "who shot John"?

Hook, line and sinker........to our Nation's destruction.

 

[FarOut]

Whatever. That was then and this is now. Perot was the one that sealed the deal with regards to convincing 'we, the people' that the only 2 choices are the ones chosen for us.

Have any of you who buy this line of spoon-fed BS really ever stopped to think what would have happened if more of 'us' had actually voted for Perot rather than buying the '2 party as viable differences' line of "who shot John"?

Hook, line and sinker........to our Nation's destruction.

You have forgotten that Perot withdrew from the campaign in July 1992 when he was leading in the polls and only came back when it looked like Bush Sr. had a chance of winning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_presidential_campaign,_1992

Whatever. That was then and this is now.

History does not always repeat herself. Some times she picks up a baseball bat and starts whaling everyone upside the head while screaming, "You idiots never listen to me!"

 

[Vicki]

So, because I am in a 'swing state' I should hold my nose and vote for Romney, the OTHER stinking globalist meat puppet?

I don't think so, scooter, to quote Ron White.

Just so you know, a vote for anyone other than the 2 candidates 'chosen' for selection is not a vote FOR Obama, nor is it a wasted vote. I will NEVER vote for Obama, any more than I would vote FOR the 'other' candidate selected to oppose him just to get him out. Either candidate of the manipulated 2 party system is more of the same.

Obama is no longer useful to the ones who control our selections. Voting Romney is NOT voting against 'Obama" despite what many believe, rather it is STILL a vote for those who have our destruction as a great nation as their objective.

Vote however you want, don't vote, vote 'against' one rather than 'for' one. None of it really matters in the scheme of things.

The authority of government depends upon the consent of the governed.

I will not give my consent to either Obama or Romney.

Oh, and I have children and grandchildren just as people have had for millenia. I ALWAYS vote with them in mind.

I've gotta say I'm with you on this Berta. They don't get my consent either.

 

[TerryK]

Why do you feel the need to tell everyone?

I think a lot of posters just like to hear people try to plead with them and reason with them to vote for Romney.
Vote for whoever you want. It's still a free country. At least until after the next and last election.
Hey, it may be the last vote you ever cast.

 

[shane]

You guys are fighting over who is going to be in the drivers seat as the bus goes over the cliff.

We might all be better off now supporting more Ron Paul type Congressional candidates instead,
like www.artforcongress.com, as we'll desperately need patriots who take their oath of office to
"support & defend" the Constitution dead seriously to help point the way back to Constitutionally
limited govt from out of the wreckage.

- Shane

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

You have forgotten that Perot withdrew from the campaign in July 1992 when he was leading in the polls and only came back when it looked like Bush Sr. had a chance of winning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_presidential_campaign,_1992

I have not forgotten anything. He was the 'viable 3rd party' test. This particular election was pivotal in that it cemented the discrediting of a 3rd party candidate as a viable option to voters. It, too, was manipulated to prove what is now held as unimpeachable truth: a 3rd party candidate cannot win the office of the Presidency in the General Election.

 

[88Bronco]

As a Floridian currently trapped in Jersey I'm still going to support Romney if for no other reason than to negate one of the dems coffin voters

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

You guys are fighting over who is going to be in the drivers seat as the bus goes over the cliff.

We might all be better off now supporting more Ron Paul type Congressional candidates instead,
like www.artforcongress.com, we'll need them to help point the way back to our Constitutionally
limited govt,

- Shane

I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not 'fighting' over anything. I am expressing my educated opinion regarding the election of our President, as is everyone else.

As far as Congressional candidates, I agree with you, Shane. The more Constitutionly loyal folks we have in there the better, and there (and only there) lies our hope for redemption. There ARE good guys battling the bad guys at every level. Unfortuately, at this point in time, the bad guys are winning despite our good guys best efforts. Some of it is due to numbers, most of it is due to ignorance (willful or otherwise) on the part of voters.

 

[Donner9x]

And the best thing is when Romney becomes the Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century (assuming all the non-voters don't throw it to O) one can stand back, smile quietly and state; I didn't vote for either of them.

It will be a good feeling. Treasure it. It will be that last one you have.

Well, I'd say that a "Herbert Hoover of the 21st century" would be better than a "Mussolini of the 21st century" which is damned near what you have with Obama...

 

[shane]

Unfortuately, at this point in time, the bad guys are winning despite our good guys best efforts. Some of it is due to numbers, most of it is due to ignorance (willful or otherwise) on the part of voters.

I am heartened, though, when I see how many, including young college age, that have been inoculated for life against socialism and
for Constitutionally limited govt, by Ron Paul. I supported him both campaigns not because I thought he'd ever win, with establishment
stacked against him, but because I saw how many he was converting. He's been credited with originally sparking many that led to the
Tea Party movement, too, besides much wider debate on Federal Reserve legitimacy today.

If/when we ever do take back our country, it will be with thousands more fellow patriots standing should-to-shoulder with us
then from RP having awakened them.

We need more like him that are running right now being supported and less of our time/money/energy focused on POTUS. Yes, vote for
who you want & say why, but then go get to work finding & supporting true Constitutionalists that'll better hold POTUS feet to the fire!

- Shane

 

[Troke]

Well, I'd say that a "Herbert Hoover of the 21st century" would be better than a "Mussolini of the 21st century" which is damned near what you have with Obama...

Yeah, we got a bunch on this forum all hot for chaos, in face some might vote for O just to speed it up, completely forgetting that it is Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Mao, Napoleon etc that come out of chaos.

George Washington they are not. He is not coming.

 

[Lurker]

Why do you feel the need to tell everyone?

I think a lot of posters just like to hear people try to plead with them and reason with them to vote for Romney.
Vote for whoever you want. It's still a free country. At least until after the next and last election.
Hey, it may be the last vote you ever cast.

Just adding to the discussion. I heard this was a discussion board. Figure if we can discuss giraffe placenta I can discuss my vote.

I'm not looking for validation. I've voted straight tickets all my life so this is a step out of bounds for me. I practically had to choke back my puke when I punched the hole for McCain - I won't be doing that this year.

 

[Army Girl]

I'm in for Gary Johnson, Grantbo needs a new poll to include Johnson, I always voted for Grantbo because I was never voting for O or R.

 

[Laurane]

I thought a vote was a private thing......you didn't tell anyone who you voted for.......people might ask and you might choose to tell them, but you don't go around blabbing about your choice. If you work for a Party on the local level, most of your friends will know who you probably voted for, but if you don't register as one of either Party, nobody need ever know. (As a point of interest, in Canada, you never register for any Party - your vote is private).

So what is the point of diatribing on who the lucky candidate will be to get your vote.......most people can make up their mind without being told what others are doing to sway their vote. If anyone really watched the 3 debates and didn't know too much about either major candidate, they probably could figure out for themselves who was really a conservative and who was a communist and the differences would be obvious.

It must be gratifying to those who will not give a candidate a chance to try and reverse the trend, knowing they went along with the old "there is no difference between the Parties" line, to know they took their high road and potentially threw away an opportunity to have a President who might actually buck the "old school", who might know what he wants to achieve and will go against the liberal side of the GOP in order to help his America.

From an interested and concerned body watching from north of the 49th parallel.....if Romney can't turn your economy around, you have a boatload of troubles that nobody can solve, especially the Libertarian candidate who first tried to run as a Republican. Nothing more need be said about the Democrat.

 

[Panner]

We had early voting start today in Utah. I voted for Romney/Ryan. Utah is a repunlican state, but I can't stand the muzzie Obummer.

What really needs to happen is a good 3rd party get started and get people elected in the house and senate before the next election. This would really shake up the 2 party system we have now, both of which are worthless. This has to be started right after the election so that it has a head of steam before the next election. If a few people could get elected on a third party ticket I believe it would take hold and snowball.

 

[BertaBurtonLake]

I am heartened, though, when I see how many, including young college age, that have been inoculated for life against socialism and
for Constitutionally limited govt, by Ron Paul. I supported him both campaigns not because I thought he'd ever win, with establishment
stacked against him, but because I saw how many he was converting. He's been credited with originally sparking many that led to the
Tea Party movement, too, besides much wider debate on Federal Reserve today.


If/when we ever do take back our country, it will be with thousands more fellow patriots standing should-to-shoulder with us then from
RP having awakened them.

We need more like him that are running right now being supported and less of our time/money/energy focused on POTUS. Yes, vote for
who you want and say why, but then go get to work finding & supporting true Constitutionalists that'll better hold POTUS feet to the fire!

- Shane

I can't disagree with your overall assessment. Having said that, passively having knowledge and actively using it are two entirely different propositions. Many may 'know', but fear being the 'nail that sticks out' because that one gets the hammer.

More and more, recently, we have seen individual 'nails' get hammered down. It is only when there are too many nails to be hammered down that the 'hammerers' say, "f-it; there are too many nails to hammer down" and capitulate to the 'nails' OR "blow the whole shebang and start over".

 

[shane]

I can't disagree with your overall assessment. Having said that, passively having knowledge and actively using it are two entirely different propositions. Many may 'know', but fear being the 'nail that sticks out' because that one gets the hammer.

More and more, recently, we have seen individual 'nails' get hammered down. It is only when there are too many nails to be hammered down that the 'hammerers' say, "f-it; there are too many nails to hammer down" and capitulate to the 'nails' OR "blow the whole shebang and start over".

That's all true, I'd only point out that nobodies message running in this last campaign had more enthusiasm & support than RP's, and that
was in spite of his poor oratorical skills. Also, it does not take a majority of nails all sticking up at once, but only a determined minority as
history has shown.

From http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-three-percenter.html

During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King's tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists.
They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who
favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there
were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the
wind and took what came.

- Shane