So they are looking for subs?
I understand how helos can dip sonar into the water and listen, but how do planes find subs?
Again, what do we do when we find one in international waters, or closer in?
Anybody near a THAAD or Patriot site around DC?
So they are looking for subs?
I understand how helos can dip sonar into the water and listen, but how do planes find subs?
Again, what do we do when we find one in international waters, or closer in?
I thought Ray Potter had been outed as bigamist in his weird videos and discredited when he was filming on the run from the feds.
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So how does Ray potter connect with military flight ops?
So they are looking for subs?
I understand how helos can dip sonar into the water and listen, but how do planes find subs?
Again, what do we do when we find one in international waters, or closer in?
From what I read, our military AWACS planes are our first defense in detecting low flying enemy raiders and use direct interception towards them, if they become a threat. Enemy submarines can launch missiles, so when they detect a foreign county submarine near our shores, these AWACS planes have to be on high alert to monitor the situation.
So they are looking for subs?
I understand how helos can dip sonar into the water and listen, but how do planes find subs?
Again, what do we do when we find one in international waters, or closer in?
Thanks Rayku. I should have known better and left the professional ACRONYM’s to nightdriver. My bad on the Ground Penetrating Radar. LOL
Thanks for the link.
Was talking to my brother about some of this info - he's retired Navy - a P3 pilot - the old sub chasers. He was stationed all over the world.
His P3 was involved in the search for that Korean Airlines passenger plane that was shot down by the Russians - he said during their search a Russian fighter jet locked on them - said his heart stopped, thought for sure they'd be shot down too.
He said they dropped sonobuoys into the ocean and listened, via pings, when they were searching for subs. He said the helicopters, lower the Sonobuoys via a cable and hover and listen.
Just some interesting info.
If we start hearing a lot of sonic booms all of a sudden then something surely is afoot!
I have not heard any here in Maine, but we have the chem trail fleet going over frequently, and there is quite a swarm of them. They were spraying us pretty heavily over the weekend.
Thanks
For clearing that up, but we still have the elephant in th room.
At our current not-at-war status, what are we going to do when we find one?
Sink it now, or wait until the missile doors open?
Thanks
For clearing that up, but we still have the elephant in th room.
At our current not-at-war status, what are we going to do when we find one?
Sink it now, or wait until the missile doors open?
Were the lines parallel to those of normal traffic? If so, probably just regular traffic but with different moisture levels at altitude.
If we do find a sub in open water what do we do about it?
How about if we find it in our territorial water?
When do we actually sink it?
Do we send an attack sub to aggressively track it and encourage it to leave?
Or stealth track it until it makes noise like opening missile doors?
Anybody near a THAAD or Patriot site around DC?
From what I read, our military AWACS planes are our first defense in detecting low flying enemy raiders and use direct interception towards them, if they become a threat. Enemy submarines can launch missiles, so when they detect a foreign county submarine near our shores, these AWACS planes have to be on high alert to monitor the situation.
Thanks to your brother for all the information.More info from my brother.
These sub chasers aren't just monitors of foreign subs - they can take them out. (I'm learning alot about this.)
So basically, if I've followed all of this right, they locate an enemy sub - the enemy sub would ping to get a target so they can lock on to it; we are able to tell when an enemy sub has locked on a target or activated their firing system (opened a missile or torpedo door) - we can tell by sounds detected by the sonobuoys; so pings can tell us when they are locked on a target and are opening missile/torpedo doors - that means they are working on a firing solution. Then if either or both is detected we can take them out as it means they are getting ready to fire; P3s can take them out with torpedoes or B57 nuclear depth charge (nuclear depth charge can take out sub by just being in the general area of the sub).
Boomers are missile subs (ICBMs/nuclear) that also have torpedoes (vs attack subs, smaller and with torpedoes) - whole back end of sub is launch area (he said these subs are really big) - can launch missiles directly up out of the submarine from under the water - the missile ignites when it breaks the surface and then off it goes.
My brother said if they pinged and picked up an enemy sub that was locked on a target - they would take it out immediately. Or if they detected it had opened it's doors - they would take it out immediately. That was their orders. Which makes sense.
He also said he'd expect a lot of air support if an enemy sub was detected - I assume he means by our coast lines. ? Edited to add this because of Alfaman's #97 post.
Of course, they'd have to find the sub first. He said this info is not classified - we could goggle this.
Very good information. Thanks!Actually, the FAA radars around the country are one of the first defenses, along with over the horizon backscatter (OTH-B) radars at Beale AFB, CA and I think Otis AFS, MA. Nearly every airplane on the planet has a transponder (it transmits a specific code) and FAA radars track the planes. If a bunch of heavy movers hit US airspace with no transponder "squawk" code (also, where the planes come from-high altitude airspace over the US=over 18,000 feet is directed through "V-ways". V Ways are like aircraft freeways in the sky-planes follow the V routes.)
If you have a bomber like the TU-26 Backfire pictured coming in over the coast of Alaska from the west, it will drop to 150 feet the minute it hits the coast. On the FAA radar the plane will show as unidentified (no transponder squawk code) and then drops off the radars. That's enough to get NORAD interested, they will send up fighters to intercept it. Fighters will scramble with info regarding last known position and expected flight track. Once the interceptors find the plane, they will attempt to communicate with it using radios. There are internationally recognized codes and actions to try and communicate. Say the Backfire has no radio, and no operable nav equipment. If its genuinely in trouble there are internationally recognized flare signals as well as hand signals-5 fingers stuck out to the left indicated 5000 pounds of fuel on board, etc. The interceptors will attempt to turn the plane around by "herding" it like a cowboy does a cow on the range. Close flying, forming on the side and motioning where to go etc. If the interceptors want the plane to come down, the interceptor will lower its landing gear and motion/signal for the plane to follow it-the bomber, if in trouble will also lower its gear and reduce speed and follow.
However, if the Backfire bomber shoots at the interceptor aircraft when they close up to the plane (the Backfire has 2 23mm cannon in the tail in a radar controlled turret), then the interceptors will back off and increase altitude, get approval and either use a missile or guns to down the plane.