foreverkeeps
Veteran Member
So with McCarthy being speaker does this mean that some of the things that need to be investigated can’t happen? Can he control investigating the 2020 election and corruption of the Bidens?
POL He Is Nowhere Near 218': A Scenario Is Emerging That Ends With Kevin McCarthy Not Being Elected Speaker -UPDATE - McCarthy Elected As Speaker!
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intowolves
Veteran Member
Well trump got his man......Shouldn't we be thrilled by this?
pinkelsteinsmom
Veteran Member
This was the last nail, it's over folks. Welcome President wef certified K. McArssy as your new potusin in less than 2 years. This piece of shit is pelosi and John McCain rolled into one.
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
Trump's choice of personnel hasn't been stellar. Barr was his AG "star" - and we all know where that went.
I will say there is at least the "right MAGA" behind the selection.
Bannon was "mixed" on this: one moment he's touting Trump as Speaker, and Mike Davis (A3P Project) is saying McCarthy is a continuation of the "swamp." The next he's chatting with Steve Cortes - who is a "consensus" man and he's interviewing Anna Polina Luna who was a "convert" and had good words about the McCarthy choice primarily because of the "removal" provision.
So I guess this horse just has to go where the reins pull him. And right now the reins are at least leading Gee - although the destination is still uncertain.
Frankly, I'd rather stay home...
Dobbin
Normallguy
"just a human bein'"
OK so he's Speaker now.
What are all the deals, agreements and so forth that got him the needed votes?
I just can't follow it all without some help.
No I'm not comfortable with him.
What are all the deals, agreements and so forth that got him the needed votes?
I just can't follow it all without some help.
No I'm not comfortable with him.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think you need to re-read that promise.With the rule change, (if he abides by it), that goes into effect where the Speaker can be voted out, I'm wondering if we should start a strip card on how many days McCarthy will last as Speaker.
It states that a single person can CALL for a vote, not that a vote will happen, and not that the Speakership will be overturned.
Some cry baby gets their feeling hurt and CALLS for a vote. It will go nowhere. Even if a Caucus CALLS for a vote, it will go nowhere. He's the speaker, they will need 218 to overturn.
As I told you some pages back this is politics, not patriotism. To overturn the Speakership will mean Chairmanships will be up for grabs as well. The Speaker APPOINTS chairs, and if you voted against the new or present Speaker your chair may be on the line.
Who was it that said they would resign from the House, if McCarthy got the Speaker?
Where are your patriots now?
This is politics, out of the 535 people in our government YOU or I can only influence/vote for, 4 people. Not withstanding Dominion/cheating. 1) the representative for your district 2) your 2 Senators and No. 4 your President (even though you vote for a VP its always a package deal).
Once you cast your vote in Nov. it is out of your hands. And they will tell you anything, do anything R or D to get elected. Once that is done, they don't need you, and they have NEVER cared about you. O they may throw you a bone every now and then just to keep you coming back for more.
It would be good to spend some time meditating on this, so you will learn it is politics in government and it is all about money and power which the old saying "Power corrupts, and ultimate power corrupts ultimately" is as true today and it was when spoken.
vector7
Dot Collector
Kevin McCarthy is fighting 1000% harder for the speaker position than he ever did for any of us.
View: https://twitter.com/AnonUpon/status/1611594797990686720?t=0PkRctcDqydezz6_Zd55kw&s=19
View: https://twitter.com/AnonUpon/status/1611594797990686720?t=0PkRctcDqydezz6_Zd55kw&s=19
bracketquant
Veteran Member
Like Neanderthals, Republicans cave.
intowolves
Veteran Member
mccarthy got a 54 liberty score.
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Conservative Review’s Liberty Score® grades members of Congress on the top 50 votes over a rolling six-year term. A letter grade is assigned to each member to help you quickly determine whether a lawmaker is supporting conservative principles. The Liberty Score® helps evaluate your representatives and senators, providing the tools necessary to separate rhetoric from reality. We don’t expect any elected officials to be perfect, but we do expect them to keep promises.
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bracketquant
Veteran Member
"they will need 218 to overturn."
They already have 212.
intowolves
Veteran Member
I find it harder all the time not to just stay home.
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CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Is it plain now?
You might want to differentiate on which one in my tag line you are referring to. Because I would be more than happy to defend each and every one.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
And you will note it didn't work did it.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Just to split hairs, you can only vote for 3 people.
You don't vote for President.
You vote for Electors
jward
passin' thru
babylonbee.com
After 15 Grueling House Speaker Votes, America's Long National Nightmare Can Finally Begin
WASHINGTON, D.C. — After a week of grueling votes for Speaker of the House — 15 in total — Kevin McCarthy was finally handed the people's gavel and took his rightful place as Speaker. He lifted it up to the raucous applause of both Democrats and Republicans, signaling that the week of Congressional inactivity was over and the long national nightmare of taxing, spending, and corruption could finally begin.
"Finally, we will get down to the people's business of stealing all their money for our pet projects, making backroom deals, and holding meaningless investigations where we yell and point angrily at people to get some sweet sound bytes for our reelections," said McCarthy to the assembled warmongers, rapists, and half-dead geriatrics in the room. "Our long congressional nightmare is over, and the long national nightmare is finally here! Huzzah!"
Those in the crowd who were still sober enough to stand then stood and cheered.
Experts predict that business as usual will resume first thing Monday, as politicians give portentous speeches to empty rooms, have important meetings with weapons manufacturers, and attend coke orgies. "Americans are overwhelmingly pleased to be finally achieving a state of normalcy in Washington again," said one pollster.
At publishing time, Congress had already authorized another $100 billion to Ukraine.
Watch as a fired Twitter employee applies for her first *actual* job:
After 15 Grueling House Speaker Votes, America's Long National Nightmare Can Finally Begin
WASHINGTON, D.C. — After a week of grueling votes for Speaker of the House — 15 in total — Kevin McCarthy was finally handed the people's gavel and took his rightful place as Speaker. He lifted it up to the raucous applause of both Democrats and Republicans, signaling that the week of...
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vector7
Dot Collector
View: https://twitter.com/utahmom333/status/1611505723858628608?t=sLYtDtVmkLUzyvZ7GR9PBw&s=19
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Kevin McCarthy was furious with Republican colleagues for pushing Trump's 'Big Lie': new book
Colorado Republican, Lauren Boebert, among some other officials, is on her party leader's list of undesirables, according to the upcoming book, This Will Not Pass: Trump, Biden, and the Battle for America's Future.The New York Times posted excerpts of the book, detailing the anger of Mitch...
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bracketquant
Veteran Member
That was for voting IN.
For voting OUT, there are currently 212 Ds, and 6 "present" Rs. I believe they have the 218 votes, if they really need to remove him.
But, I also believe that the only way a R will vote to remove, is if Rs gauge that they might lose their seat in their next district election, if they vote to keep him. Getting reelected is the ONLY thing that matters.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
While technically true. We all get the feelz every Nov. And just think the electors "promise" to do their jobs. LOL
vector7
Dot Collector
McCarthy can promise all he wants, but nothing will get done because the Senate will block. And why did we lose the Senate…..MITCH
Even if we won the Senate JoeBama would veto it.
And rule by EOs
View: https://twitter.com/TimKingRepublic/status/1611759175377338368?t=ptvkyPtCDghaviapEjduOw&s=19
Even if we won the Senate JoeBama would veto it.
And rule by EOs
View: https://twitter.com/TimKingRepublic/status/1611759175377338368?t=ptvkyPtCDghaviapEjduOw&s=19
bracketquant
Veteran Member
The feelz are the problem.
That is why no one has had any standing in any court over the 2020 President/Vice-President election. Constitutionally, nothing was stolen, as the public does not have a vote in the matter. The courts stand by what is technically true, not what feelz true.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
LOL we'll just have to disagree LOL
Cuz like they are all seated now, with Chairmanships, commitees, etc... And the whole thing sounds fantasitic, hooray. But NEVER forget under Piglouisy it only took a majority also. However it did take a majority to even call for a vote then.
But as I've stated if you think this is anymore than politics you about to be disappointed. Politics meaning money, power, and votes back home.
jward
passin' thru
From here, it looks like the usual scripted theatrics; they pretend we have a voice and that a small contingent are actually fighting valiently for us... all the better to send us down time wasting rabbit holes, and bleed off our energy and outrage so that we continue to play by the rules (their rules) of the crooked house system that will never ever break in our favour, coz, it's the HOUSE system (their system) .
They are all on the same side, and it ain't ours. There are no white hats. There are well honed psychological operations enacted to squander and defang any opposition that "we the people" might raise- and one of them just got played- even the theatrics of M. losing temper and raising hand in frustration was scripted entirely for effect- you look at video as he walked up, and he was calm, on his way to shoot his scene as scripted, nothing real was going on there.
Unfortunately, it works. the new techno-fuedal system is almost complete, and we have been conquered w/ nary a shot being fired, and wear our chains of enslavement w/ lil more than the occasional mewl o' a "FJB" to be heard in protest.
I don't know but I hope when that big wheel turns it lands on some Democrats hard.
jward
passin' thru
THREAD: Here are some of the concessions & promises that have been agreed to over the course of the speaker negotiations:
—Anyone can call for a vote to oust speaker
—McCarthy leadership PAC won’t play in safe open primaries
—Debt ceiling hike must be paired with spending cuts
—More Freedom Caucus members on committees, including House Rules
—Cap discretionary spending at fiscal 2022 levels, which would amount to lower levels for defense & domestic programs
—Create investigative committee to probe the “weaponization” of the federal government
—Hold votes on key conservative bills, including balanced budget amendment, congressional term limits, border security
—Move 12 appropriations bill individually, not in an omnibus
—Give members ability to offer more amendments on the House floor
• • •Thread by @MZanona on Thread Reader App
vector7
Dot Collector
What even is this?
The House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries flexes his election denying and race baiting prowess
Hakeem Jeffries gave his OBAMA victory speech even though he lost.
Communists always disappoint
RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/pathman70/status/1611722630838583296?t=S9Jqh7MEJ6vg_R7iPJgEFg&s=19
The House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries flexes his election denying and race baiting prowess
Hakeem Jeffries gave his OBAMA victory speech even though he lost.
Communists always disappoint
RT 2min
View: https://twitter.com/pathman70/status/1611722630838583296?t=S9Jqh7MEJ6vg_R7iPJgEFg&s=19
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night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
One can only pray that the Saxons are close to having had enough.
Fenwick Babbitt
Veteran Member
Say what you want about the process and yes McCarthy is a weasel, but Matt Gaetz is the kind of representative we need across the board, he could be president someday and he would have thumped Mike Rogers if it got that far.
vector7
Dot Collector
Rep Mike Lee:You can’t govern like Democrats (46% over the last 6 years) and then expect Republicans to show up to vote for you
View: https://twitter.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1611616995472211969?t=jpHmAX0i5_eNQLYKAomL9w&s=19
vector7
Dot Collector
View: https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1611591318689677312?s=20&t=qJPzebP6gyf1ZjfN6VF56A
This is what the voter intimidation looks like.
RT 20secs
View: https://twitter.com/LPMisesCaucus/status/1611705416806764544?t=a4dgH342CL0EULc5E1l1dA&s=19
Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala. wanted to kick Matt Gatez ass for not voting for Kevin McCarthy.Gatez was so intimidated he said OK I will vote present on the next one.
RT 30secs
View: https://twitter.com/edmundmalik1/status/1611612189579964416?t=a285qpggTxsgeIj0Kn5BeA&s=19
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Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
We knew Patchy wasn't one of us when he yelled at a little girl.
vector7
Dot Collector
Caption this..
View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1611583823376011265?s=20&t=L9d238epC1LK0NKB0uXzUA
I’ve got my eye on you.
View: https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1611583823376011265?s=20&t=L9d238epC1LK0NKB0uXzUA
I’ve got my eye on you.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks for putting that up. Just some of my thoughts.
On the 2nd point leadership PAC while promising not to spend money on safe primaries, that doesn't mean he will spend only on close primaries, which is what the general takeaway would be.
Think no.3 is going to be hard, cuz inflation.
Would not investigating the weaponization of the federal government actually be weaponization? LOL Just poking.
Seeing that they want to hold key votes on "conservative bills" means they will vote and it will go down in flames.
The last two while sounding great, and IMHO should happen, all it really means is more arguing from the floor.
IMHO the Pig didn't let the conservative side argue enough, ok, ok debate, from the floor, and now they are getting promised that they can. BUT being the conservative side, and I mean really conservative and not RINO, means nothing will happen and they will get shot down in flames......again.
I'm a George Carlin, Samuel Clements cynic.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just a little more information:
The last vote came after a dramatic scene, where during the 14th vote Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) threw a wrench in the gears - voting 'present,' which left McCarthy just one vote short of victory.
McCarthy - who clearly thought he had a deal, stormed up to Gaetz and exchanged words, during which a visibly angry Rep. Mike Rodgers bolted towards Gaetz and had to be muzzled and restrained.
During the final, 15th ballot, enough holdouts voted 'present' to bring the total required number of votes low enough for McCarthy to finally win around midnight.
Here's what McCarthy had to give up for the votes, according to The Epoch Times' Roger L. Simon, who interviewed first-year Congressman Andrew Ogles (R-TN), who has yet to be sworn in;
I spoke with Ogles by phone the night of Jan. 6, 2023, before the roll call vote during which, it was said, two of the remaining rejectionists who couldn’t accept McCarthy personally would absent themselves so that the magic number would be lowered and the new Speaker could go over the top.
Apropos, Ogles informed me that what many had guessed was true. His absence from voting in a previous round was also planned. He waited to see that all was going according to plan before stepping forward to flip his vote to McCarthy after the initial round.
For Ogles, the basis of all the negotiations was to establish the rules of the game in Congress that had been altered over the years beyond recognition. As he pointed out, the rules of a game almost always determine the winner.
He shared with me a list of some of what has been roughly negotiated to date. The devil, as always, is in the details.
In response to the outcome, Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO), one of the holdouts, said in a statement that the anti-McCarthy Reps. "changed the way the government will be funded," and "changed the way committees will be formed."
"We secured votes on term limits, the fair tax, the Texas Border Plan, and so much more."
Bobert goes on to slam President Biden for calling the speakership process 'embarrassing for Republicans.
"How sad is it that us governing as the founders intended looks embarrassing to Democrats?" Bobert asked, adding "I'll tell you what's embarrassing. 40-year high inflation is embarrassing. 5 million illegals crossing our southern border is embarrassing/ Surrendering to ISIS and fleeing Afghanistan is embarrassing. Having a president that cant' finish his sentences is embarrassing."
"It’s safe to say that we believe there ought to be specific, concrete limits on spending attached to a debt ceiling increase," said Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) on Thursday.
"There will be no clean debt ceiling increase, that’s for sure," said Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA), another anti-McCarthy lawmaker who was convinced to switch his vote due to the concessions.
No word from Ogles on committee assignments or agreements, however there are discussions on positions for members of the Freedom Caucus.
Also no word on whether the House will hold a different kind of Jan. 6 investigation, unless it's going to be part of the new "Church" committee.
Meanwhile, The Hill notes that chairmanships on subcommittees are still going to need to be earned.
Democrat Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland says McCarthy gave up too much.
"I think he gave away much more than I wish he’d given," he said, adding "I think it does give to a small, willful faction of his caucus, a negative faction of his caucus, a faction of his caucus that has been almost uniformly obstructionist, more authority than they ought to have."
www.zerohedge.com
Bear in mind:
"We secured votes on term limits, the fair tax, the Texas Border Plan, and so much more."
does not translate into passage, or law. They just get to VOTE on it.
Here Are The Concessions McCarthy Had To Make For Speakership
After four grueling days and 15 votes, Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) is finally Speaker of the House - but not without having made a pile of concessions to a group of hard-line Republicans who think he'll be too accommodating to uniparty interests.The last vote came after a dramatic scene, where during the 14th vote Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) threw a wrench in the gears - voting 'present,' which left McCarthy just one vote short of victory.
McCarthy - who clearly thought he had a deal, stormed up to Gaetz and exchanged words, during which a visibly angry Rep. Mike Rodgers bolted towards Gaetz and had to be muzzled and restrained.
During the final, 15th ballot, enough holdouts voted 'present' to bring the total required number of votes low enough for McCarthy to finally win around midnight.
Here's what McCarthy had to give up for the votes, according to The Epoch Times' Roger L. Simon, who interviewed first-year Congressman Andrew Ogles (R-TN), who has yet to be sworn in;
I spoke with Ogles by phone the night of Jan. 6, 2023, before the roll call vote during which, it was said, two of the remaining rejectionists who couldn’t accept McCarthy personally would absent themselves so that the magic number would be lowered and the new Speaker could go over the top.
Apropos, Ogles informed me that what many had guessed was true. His absence from voting in a previous round was also planned. He waited to see that all was going according to plan before stepping forward to flip his vote to McCarthy after the initial round.
For Ogles, the basis of all the negotiations was to establish the rules of the game in Congress that had been altered over the years beyond recognition. As he pointed out, the rules of a game almost always determine the winner.
He shared with me a list of some of what has been roughly negotiated to date. The devil, as always, is in the details.
- As has been reported, it will only take a single congressperson, acting in what is known as a Jeffersonian Motion, to move to remove the Speaker if he or she goes back on their word or policy agenda.
- A “Church” style committee will be convened to look into the weaponization of the FBI and other government organizations (presumably the CIA, the subject of the original Church Committee) against the American people.
- Term limits will be put up for a vote.
- Bills presented to Congress will be single subject, not omnibus with all the attendant earmarks, and there will be a 72-hour minimum period to read them.
- The Texas Border Plan will be put before Congress. From The Hill: “The four-pronged plan aims to ‘Complete Physical Border Infrastructure,’ ‘Fix Border Enforcement Policies,’ ‘Enforce our Laws in the Interior’ and ‘Target Cartels & Criminal Organizations.'”
- COVID mandates will be ended as will all funding for them, including so-called “emergency funding.”
- Budget bills would stop the endless increases in the debt ceiling and hold the Senate accountable for the same.
In response to the outcome, Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO), one of the holdouts, said in a statement that the anti-McCarthy Reps. "changed the way the government will be funded," and "changed the way committees will be formed."
"We secured votes on term limits, the fair tax, the Texas Border Plan, and so much more."
Bobert goes on to slam President Biden for calling the speakership process 'embarrassing for Republicans.
"How sad is it that us governing as the founders intended looks embarrassing to Democrats?" Bobert asked, adding "I'll tell you what's embarrassing. 40-year high inflation is embarrassing. 5 million illegals crossing our southern border is embarrassing/ Surrendering to ISIS and fleeing Afghanistan is embarrassing. Having a president that cant' finish his sentences is embarrassing."
"It’s safe to say that we believe there ought to be specific, concrete limits on spending attached to a debt ceiling increase," said Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) on Thursday.
"There will be no clean debt ceiling increase, that’s for sure," said Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA), another anti-McCarthy lawmaker who was convinced to switch his vote due to the concessions.
No word from Ogles on committee assignments or agreements, however there are discussions on positions for members of the Freedom Caucus.
Also no word on whether the House will hold a different kind of Jan. 6 investigation, unless it's going to be part of the new "Church" committee.
Meanwhile, The Hill notes that chairmanships on subcommittees are still going to need to be earned.
"These concessions have been agreed to by our conference, and ultimately I believe it’s going to lead to a more people-driven legislative process," said Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA). "It’s about restoring more power and decision making to the members."
Democrat Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland says McCarthy gave up too much.
"I think he gave away much more than I wish he’d given," he said, adding "I think it does give to a small, willful faction of his caucus, a negative faction of his caucus, a faction of his caucus that has been almost uniformly obstructionist, more authority than they ought to have."
Zerohedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
Bear in mind:
"We secured votes on term limits, the fair tax, the Texas Border Plan, and so much more."
does not translate into passage, or law. They just get to VOTE on it.
