USA Gustav evacuees leave their mark on my area

Fred

Middle of the road
This is very close to where I live.

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http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=8973555

With evacuees gone, the time to clean has come

The evacuees are gone.

Now the cleanup begins for most shelters in the Valley.

It appears some of those "Gulf Coast guests" have left their mark.

The gym at Calhoun Community College may be known for the championship basketball teams of the past.

But now, those running from Gustav have left their mark.

Dean of Business and Finance, Jack Burrow said, "The entire gym, hallways, the chairs, tables, bathrooms, the snack machines outside...everything that we've been using has to be disinfected, cleaned and wiped down."

This big task will go to a bio-hazard firm out Birmingham at a cost of 25,000 dollars.

Burrow said, "As far as out-of-pocket expenses, Calhoun is not supposed to be out."

Janet Martin with Calhoun Public Relations added, "All the costs, as far as we've been told FEMA will absorb."

Burrow says some of the guests stopped up commodes, with blankets furnished by the Red Cross.

"Of course we had to bring Rotor Rooter out and in the middle of the night. I'm sure it's going to be a pretty good bill, but things like this we've got it well documented," said Burrow

He says they also had to deal with dirty cots and blankets.

"90 % of them were soiled. The fabric was cut off of the frames and we actually burned those. And we burned the blankets," said Burrow.

Even the tarp, protecting the gym floor may be ruined.

As we walked the halls, we even found blood on the locker room door and a lot of spatter on the walls.

We've heard reports of other, more serious problems to our South.

We called the Post Secondary Department of Education in Montgomery and they told us they would call us back.

As of Monday night, they have not.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
Uh... :kk2:

What's up with that? I don't think I could soil anything in that short a period of time.
 

GingerN

Veteran Member
what kind of person does this stuff? Even a dog won't mess in its own sleeping area. That is just disgusting.
 

Jean B

Veteran Member
I think before they could load on the busses, I'd have handed them some clorox and paper towels. When all was as it should be then put them on the bus!!!
 

blackguard

Veteran Member
IMO it those back to the mentality

"Ain't my house, I ain't got to clean it up so F**k 'em. Thats somebody else job." Pisses me off
 

Kritter

The one and only...
Dean of Business and Finance, Jack Burrow said, "The entire gym, hallways, the chairs, tables, bathrooms, the snack machines outside...everything that we've been using has to be disinfected, cleaned and wiped down."

This big task will go to a bio-hazard firm out Birmingham at a cost of 25,000 dollars.

Errr..don't they routinely disinfect, clean and wipe down things like chairs, tables, bathrooms..? $25,000...????? I could grab 10 high school kids and have it done in four hours for $500.

You put a large number of people in a place and you're going to have to clean up afterwards. There's like ten incredibly messy people in every hundred, ANY hundred..ANY..Hundred..so yeah..they have to be cleaned up after, but to make it sound like this is some 'big task' and ask for $25,000 for it.. wtf?
 

mostlyharmless

Veteran Member
Any location taking these "evacuees" in the future should require the great state of Louisiana to post a bond to cover damage and restoration.

Louisiana could fund the bond with proceeds from the sale of all the guns they stole while everyone was out of town.
 

SouthernGal

"Don't retreat...reload"
Funny - didn't see ONE article about things like this after the Des Moines flooding and evacuation.

Not one.

Imagine that.
 

Amaryllis

Inactive
Now if the building is literally torn up, I can see having to replace fixtures/walls/etc resulting in spending that much or more. I don't doubt they have a big mess to clean up. It's doesn't cost $25,000 to clean up anything unless it's nuclear waste. :rolleyes:
 

Kalliope

Inactive
Are there pictures? Made up stories like these floated around after Katrina, and were found to be false. I'd wait for proof before you start denigrating the evacuee's again.
 

AddisonRose

On loan from Heaven
I think they are getting off cheap at $25K. You'd be amazed at what they have to do to clean up body leftovers.

These people are animals and they would not be invited back to my house. Do like the idea of a LA bond type situation, or make them clean before they go, knowing full well you are going to have to sanitize everything anyway.

It is about responsibility and until someone makes these people be responsible, ain't going to happen. Years and years of 'fare.
 

SouthernMagnolia

Senior Member
I am so tired of the damage these jerks have done to the reputations of all New Orleanians. I have been startled a number of times since Katrina when people have said, "Oh my gosh...New Orleans people are so filthy!"

No, not all of us. Not even half of us. A small percentage of "them" amongst us.

Jan
 

Amaryllis

Inactive
I think they are getting off cheap at $25K. You'd be amazed at what they have to do to clean up body leftovers.

These people are animals and they would not be invited back to my house. Do like the idea of a LA bond type situation, or make them clean before they go, knowing full well you are going to have to sanitize everything anyway.

It is about responsibility and until someone makes these people be responsible, ain't going to happen. Years and years of 'fare.

Maybe, maybe, 25K if it's a big enough place to have to clean. If it's truly as bad as I've been hearing, then these shelters should start asking for a security deposit.

I'm serious.
 

AddisonRose

On loan from Heaven
Our invitees refused to leave unless someone gave them money. Came up here for the big monies that the Katrina got from the .gov for months after the storm and when they discovered they didn't hit the big payday, demanded $$$ to leave. I personally was going to help them out, but someone else beat me to it. I hope to G-D that Ike doesn't force anyone from either coast up here. We have had enough for the last 3 years to last a lifetime. We are still paying for Katrina.
 

sbelew

Contributing Member
Are there pictures? Made up stories like these floated around after Katrina, and were found to be false. I'd wait for proof before you start denigrating the evacuee's again.


Follow the link in OP, it's a TV news story.
 

Brutus

Membership Revoked
"Ain't my house, I ain't got to clean it up so F**k 'em. Thats somebody else job." Pisses me off
Um, no Trooper. It goes more like this:

"Ain't none a' mine. I ain't gots to clean dat up. Dat wut da guvment be fo'..."

;)
 

Knell

Deceased
I knew a guy whose job it was to rehab low income apartments after someone moved out. He talked about cabinet doors and bathroom sinks being ripped off. Holes punched in the walls and doors. Having to use a scoop shovel to remove old food and dirty diapers.

There are people like that everywhere I think. Oh, just FYI, these people were white.
 

Brutus

Membership Revoked
Are there pictures? Made up stories like these floated around after Katrina, and were found to be false. I'd wait for proof before you start denigrating the evacuee's again.
Well Kalliope, you and I finally agree on something.

The word "deNIGrating" is pretty accurate, I'd say.

;)
 

cider

Contributing Member
I am so tired of the damage these jerks have done to the reputations of all New Orleanians. I have been startled a number of times since Katrina when people have said, "Oh my gosh...New Orleans people are so filthy!"

No, not all of us. Not even half of us. A small percentage of "them" amongst us.

Jan

My dear SIL lost everything in Katrina. She came here to wait out Gustav and saw news reports of problems with evacuees in Louisville. She said she's embarrassed to say she's from NOLA now days. Sad.
 

Firestopr

Contributing Member
i just got back from deployment down there yesterday


in the beggining we where stationed at the alexandria fema shelter a "hurrican proff shelter" built after katrina.


it was us and the dmat hospital on one side of the building seperated by a hugh wall and the refugies from new orleans on the other side we shared a common bathroom and shower facility . within 36 hours of of the facility going online the bathrooms and showers where destroyed i returned from a 30 hour deployment and wanted to use the facilities to SSS and was welcomed to one of the refugies giving haircuts to the others and just leaving the hair on the floor most toilets where clogged and over flowing the sinks were dirtied unknown things where smeared on the mirrors. and the swoer stall had underwear and towels piled in them and there appeared to be feces in several.

us EMS don't tend to accept such conditions we found a pressure washer and barricaded the middle of both the mens and womens bathroom areas allowing both sides to still have facilities but to prevent the use of the full facilities by nay one side we then went in in full tyvec suits and cleaned and deconed it top to bottom. of course when we finished this with in 12 hours all of the hurrican prof buildings systems failed first power went out then sewage and water . sewage began to back up thru the floor grates in the DMAT hospital. our team leader got us out of there asap granted our next acomadations where not that good but we didn't have to worry about hep-a or any other related problems
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
Freaks they are!

I'd go pick them all up and bring them back to clean it -- they tracked who went where. Hmmmm, actually they should all be charged with criminal damage. Next evacuation, they can be sheltered in jail.
 

Jonas Parker

Hooligan
We almost had a similar situation here during Rita, but our sheriff loaded the "ghetto-types" back on their school buses within an hour or so and escorted them out of town before too much damage was done. I think they were escorted county-line to county-line until they reached Dallas.
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I worked one of those Gustav shelters here in Memphis.


Granted I wouldn't eat off the floor of the gym were all the people were living.


But we did NOT see anything like what this article is claiming.


What we saw can be cleaned by the Memphis City cleaning crews in a day or so. Typical trash cleanup, mopping, scrubbing toilets after large numbers of people used them, etc. Not exactly the most pleasant job, but not the job of haz-mat either....



I think that you have some college officials who are used to sterile clean, and rather than deal with normal trash after large numbers of people live in a small area, they call haz-mat knowing they can get free press and figuring FEMA will pay the bill that way.
 
We almost had a similar situation here during Rita, but our sheriff loaded the "ghetto-types" back on their school buses within an hour or so and escorted them out of town before too much damage was done. I think they were escorted county-line to county-line until they reached Dallas.

Yes, and thanks for that....... NOT!!!

I've seen the ghetto welfare queens out and about. They were on the news complaining they'd emptied their bank accounts to come here and were out of money, they were expecting debit cards and were very upset. They'd parked their big backsides next to Wal-Mart and spent the night in a hotel nearby, they didn't go to the shelters provided. They were driving newer and more expensive SUVs than I could afford.

And, they are very rude to us here.
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Errr..don't they routinely disinfect, clean and wipe down things like chairs, tables, bathrooms..?

Yes, anytime you have large numbers of people living in a small area for a long period of time, you have to.
$25,000...????? I could grab 10 high school kids and have it done in four hours for $500.


Yep, as long as you can get past the PC police, who feel that young people should not work until they hit age 18.


But why do it your way,Kritter, when you can get FEMA to pay 25K for a haz mat crew to come in, AND a few otherwise obscure college officals can get their 15 minutes of fame with that press conference...
 

AddisonRose

On loan from Heaven
Geez Barry, It's open knowledge with regard to what the residents did to that football stadium in NO and not everyone is that filthy but come on -- you don't think people made horrid messes because you didn't see it in Memphis?
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Barry... I know you mean well, and we all know not EVERYONE who lives in LA, or NO, or wherever acts like this.

But come on! "blankets stuffed in the toilets" isn't just "normal trash" after large numbers of people are crammed into facilities! Neither is blood spatter, at least not enough so it's noticable.

Read Firestoprs FIRST PERSON account of a similar problem.

My own experiences with living someplace which wasn't "home" and wasn't really intended for long term occupancy is limited to the many, many weeks I've spent at various cattle shows all over the eastern part of the country. We generally camped in the barns with our cows, and used public facilities at the fairgrounds or convention centers. So did most of the other show folks. There were some really substandard facilities at some of the fairs (showers were often particularly bad... run down, not very clean *when we got there*). But when the show or fair was over, they were in the same- or cleaner- condition than when we got there.

Oddly (or not), the PUBLIC facilities at the same places were often pigsties... very much the same type of problems reported from some of these evacuees. It appears a certain segment of the population (and not limited to any particular color... it's a CULTURAL thing) are PIGS. Well, maybe that's not fair- to the pigs.

Reminds me of a woman in Buffalo NY (white, if it matters) who had 12 or 14 kids, and who was fighting to keep them after the condition of their house was discovered. Let's put it this way... they'd have had a better chance of staying healthy if they'd just pitched tents on the city landfill. Probably would have had fewer rats and maggots, as well.

This gal was not "poor"... not on the SEVENTY GRAND she was pulling in from various government agencies for all the "disabilities" she and the kids had. And they had ALL the scams down pat... an investigative reporter caught her getting SIXTEEN turkeys from the food banks at the holidays.

The solution proposed by several bleeding hearts? Hire her a HOUSEKEEPER!! Because, she "never learned" to keep house. Well, I'll tell you... it doesn't take formal training to notice dog feces (or child feces... apparently she only changed diapers when she felt like it,.. once or twice a day) on the floor, and PICK THE CRAP UP.

I believe she and her brood could have singlehandedly trashed any shelter they ended up in, in about 48 hours flat. She's not all that rare, apparently. (Except, possibly, in her willingness to soil her OWN nest). I can see where it's going to get harder and harder to get people in any small towns to let refugees in... and I can't say I blame them.

Summerthyme
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Geez Barry, It's open knowledge with regard to what the residents did to that football stadium in NO and not everyone is that filthy but come on -- you don't think people made horrid messes because you didn't see it in Memphis?


I have worked a number of shelters after a number of different disasters, beginning with Hurricane Hugo in the Carolinas back in 1989. I have worked shelters in Homested, Fla, Charleston, West Virginia, St. Louis, Missouri, Alton, Illinois, Quincy, Illinois, Johnson City, Tennessee, Houma, Louisiana, West Memphis, Arkansas, Germantown, Tennessee, Myrtle Beach, S. Carolina, Southhaven, Mississippi, Memphis, TN (for Memphis residents) and now Memphis, Tennessee (for New Orleanians). And other shelters, I can't remember every last one of them.


The bottom line is that the Memphis shelter I worked in this past week is just another of a long list of shelters I have worked, with people from many different people in many different parts of the nation.


And NO, in my 19 years of experience working Red Cross shelters, I have NOT encountered any situation such as these college officials claim they have, or that you are claiming.


So, yeah, I have a hard time believing some of these reports. They sound like folks who just want some time in the media spotlight and mega-cleanup bucks from FEMA.


The Superdome was everybit as bad as the media said back during the Katrina event, according to insiders that I and/or my father have talked to after the fact.


But the Superdome was an anomaly in so many ways that are not likely to be replicated in another place and time....
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Barry... I know you mean well, and we all know not EVERYONE who lives in LA, or NO, or wherever acts like this.

But come on! "blankets stuffed in the toilets" isn't just "normal trash" after large numbers of people are crammed into facilities! Neither is blood spatter, at least not enough so it's noticable.

Read Firestoprs FIRST PERSON account of a similar problem.


Summerthyme


ASSUMING THAT Firestoprs account is both fair and accurate, then that really is bad.


HOWEVER, I have run into so many people who make false accusations about New Orleanians so that they can tap into the generalized hatred that is out there of the people, that I tend to doubt the complete honesty and accuracy of such accounts without independent, supporting evidence.


Like I said, I have worked many shelters and I have NEVER seen those kinds of conditions. Not from New Orleanians after Katrina, Houma residents after one of the 1990s hurricanes, and not now from New Orleanians during Gustav.


I am not going as far as to say that Firestoprs is just feeding into the frenzy, but I can honestly say that I have NEVER seen nor heard of such conditions in Red Cross shelters. Only the Superdome during Katrina. That is REAL.


And if Firestoprs IS giving a fair and accurate account, I can assure you that it is RARE indeed for this to happen with shelter residents from ANY part of the country. I guess it could happen just the way he/she said it did -- I certainly cannot establish that it did not -- yet I still can't help but wonder if the truth is being exaggerated a bit...
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
Who else are you supposed to call to clean-up urine, feces and blood :shr: Reads like the inside of a porta potty.



(((((Firestopr)))))

Thanks for your report and I hope your team gets 25k for cleaning it!!!

C'mon Barry,

"...within 36 hours...we then went in in full tyvec suits and cleaned and deconed it top to bottom..."

The GOOD citizens of NOLA should demand their fave Mayor clean up the freaks in their City and hold those accountable who taint all NOLA evacuees.
 

Grantbo

Membership Revoked
Is this story true? Seem likely. Is it believeable? Yes, certianly. Do these happen in other areas disaster areas of the US which have different demographics? I don't know, I never hear of any. :shr:
 

SassyinAZ

Inactive
ASSUMING THAT Firestoprs account is both fair and accurate, then that really is bad.


HOWEVER, I have run into so many people who make false accusations about New Orleanians so that they can tap into the generalized hatred that is out there of the people, that I tend to doubt the complete honesty and accuracy of such accounts without independent, supporting evidence.


Like I said, I have worked many shelters and I have NEVER seen those kinds of conditions. Not from New Orleanians after Katrina, Houma residents after one of the 1990s hurricanes, and not now from New Orleanians during Gustav.


I am not going as far as to say that Firestoprs is just feeding into the frenzy, but I can honestly say that I have NEVER seen nor heard of such conditions in Red Cross shelters. Only the Superdome during Katrina. That is REAL.


And if Firestoprs IS giving a fair and accurate account, I can assure you that it is RARE indeed for this to happen with shelter residents from ANY part of the country. I guess it could happen just the way he/she said it did, but I still can't help but wonder if the truth is being exaggerated a bit...

I can't figure you out, Barry, I can link to two current threads right now where you say just the opposite.

I think these problems are directly linked to those shelters that house NOLA evacuees, that is what the discrepancy is, but you want to defend them still.

Even the good people of NOLA, know they have freaks among them that is tainting all evacuees, that isn't right.
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
The same attitude many people have about hotel rooms....

Palmetto


This is true. I worked as a desk clerk in a really nice motel well known for it's spotless rooms.

You'd be amazed at the pigs in our society. They could trash a room in 12 hours. It got so bad we wouldn't rent without a valid credit card and we'd always take an authorization before letting people into the room.

By the way. These were all white folk. We nicknamed them trashers and also made sure they didn't return.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
We housed 300 refugees in our local community college gym. School closed for 3-4 days according to the paper. The women were constantly fighting and a 10:00 p.m. curfew had to be imposed on the town on the second day.

If they had cancelled my classes, I would have obtained a refund.
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Our invitees refused to leave unless someone gave them money. Came up here for the big monies that the Katrina got from the .gov for months after the storm and when they discovered they didn't hit the big payday, demanded $$$ to leave. I personally was going to help them out, but someone else beat me to it. I hope to G-D that Ike doesn't force anyone from either coast up here. We have had enough for the last 3 years to last a lifetime. We are still paying for Katrina.


I rather doubt you would ever pay anybody to leave, Addison Rose. From what I can tell reading between the lines in your posts, you are just not inclined to give like that -- no matter whether it is warranted or not.


And in this case, it would NOT be warranted anyway. Individuals can try a number like that, but I know that I would never pay under such circumstances. And I don't know many people who would.
 
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