Josie
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JMHO and I'm not saying they had anything to do with it but the Laundries have been yanking law enforcement's chain from day one.
WTF?!? Gabby Petito Disappearance - Latest Update, Gabby's Body Found and Initially Identified, BREAKING: Arrest Warrant Issued for Brian Laundrie
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They were within their rights. And their son still hasn't been charged with suspicion of murder or anything like that. He went from "person of interest" to "he used a bank card we don't think he should have because we've got bupkis on anything else."
Right now there is a 24/7/365 camera aimed at their house as a live camera feed without regard to their privacy.
If they've done something wrong then let them be held accountable in a court of law. This vigilante, court of public opinion, is always about someone's agenda and not about the law.
Even on this thread we have people calling for what amounts to pre-crime and Minority Report type nonsense based on feelz and not on facts. Same thing happened with the Zimmerman/Martin fiasco. People never ever seem to learn.
Had the Petito's and news media used some self control we would likely have had more facts by this time and perhaps enough of them that BL could be charged or exonerated. There's been so many false reports by now, including the one about shots fired at the Laundrie house, that it is going further and further into the realm that the truth will not come out until Judgment Day.
And it is none of our business to be quite honest. Even not wanting to deal with this skanky story I keep having it shoved in my face. Can't turn on the radio, can't turn on the tv, can't walk passed a grocery check out lane, etc ad nauseum without this mess and it is all but eclipsing the national news of much broader import ... and probably with design by the MSM bigwigs and TPTB trying to rescue the Biden administration and its agenda.
Lilbitsnana
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I bet he has at least one, if not multiple prepaid cards and cash.
Initially I was cutting the parents some slack. Not any more. Way, way, way too much illogical, evasive and self-serving behavior from the parents. Their lawyer is no gem either.
John Walsh and Judge Jennine on Fox have been very vocal calling out the parents and the "Johnny Cochrane" lawyer of theirs.
bw
Fringe Ranger
I think camping is a false trail laid by his folks.
All true but now it is rather clear there is one and only one possible suspect.
There is no getting around that fact.
Thus the huge uproar.
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Except legally they don't have the provable facts to name him as a suspect much less the only suspect.
This isn't a dissertation on the innocence of Brian Laundrie or his family. This is about what constitutes the law in the US. We bitch constantly on TB2K about how the Constitution is being ignored by politicians, etc. and yet here are a bunch of people on this very forum more than willing to toss it out the window in favor of their feelz.
And this is why, when it comes to the big stuff, you can't count on any of your so-called cohorts to stand up for you, much less with you. The way this is being handled is very much an example of why when this country fails it is going to be due to the people and not only the politicians.
CaryC
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I like both of those people.
However, dear ol' Johnny got OJ off, and is the kind of lawyer I would want. Guilty or innnocent.
When I went to court my neighbor had one of those, only because he got to him first. But we had a pretty clear cut case, and there was no overriding or dismissing the evidence. We won.
So will not fault them for getting one of those types of lawyers.
The prosecution just needs to have their ducks in a row. AND hire a jury consultant, who will do some deep dives on them.
And they have already made one mistake filing a fraud charge against Brian. About the only thing that will do is IF the lawyer is in contact with Brian, to talk him into surrendering.
Good points.
For clarity, I do not advocate the authorities doing anything unconstitutional.
As spectators we do have the right to a, hopefully, informed opinion.
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Josie
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Yes, they are within their rights but just barely. If anything comes of their son, which I doubt because I think he was out of the country on Monday night, (Hence their reporting of him missing on Tuesday.) they will be facing charges of their own. The whole car left at the nature preserve just sounds hinky to me. If in fact Brian had left the car there, the dogs should have picked up a scent. Nothing.
And as far as the bank card charges, all they could nail Al Capone for was tax evasion and prohibition charges.
Kayak
Adrenaline Junkie
Three things bugging me:
It seems more likely that Gabby ended up with a stalker who saw Crystal Turner and Kylen Schulte and killed them, and who later took advantage of Brian being on a hike, so he could kill Gabby, too.
But I just can't shake the idea that three women dead in such a small window of time can't possibly be a coincidence.
- Moab hasn't had a murder (and only a handful of unattended deaths) in years. Suddenly, Moab has a double homicide, with another homicide nearby. And it just so happens that all three of the dead women were at Moonflower on the same day? Investigators say there are no coincidences in a murder investigation, and yet, LEO is saying it's just a coincidence they were all together a few days before they died. I don't buy it.
- Brian flew home from the 17th to the 23rd, just before all this happened. Supposedly to help move some stuff into or out of storage, but I call bullshit on that. It would've probably been cheaper to hire movers than to pay his plane ticket home and back.
- There are dozens of orange circles near the area where her body was found, many of them numbered. Some of them look like bullet holes. Crystal Turner and Kylen Schulte were shot multiple times. We still don't know how Gabby died. Maybe these are from something in the past, but those splinters look new. BUT, you can't see where they dug the bullets out, which is another mystery.
It seems more likely that Gabby ended up with a stalker who saw Crystal Turner and Kylen Schulte and killed them, and who later took advantage of Brian being on a hike, so he could kill Gabby, too.
But I just can't shake the idea that three women dead in such a small window of time can't possibly be a coincidence.
That story is what did it for me.
Now we here that dear old Brian did not take a wallet or a cell phone in his little hike in the swamp.
Enough is enough.
When has -anybody- credible, actually seen Brian Laundie in the flesh? No door cameras or security cam footage of Brian actually behind the wheel of the Mustang?
Since the Laundire's have pulled this delayed "missing person" gambit, the authorities should be banging three times a day on the Laundrie's front door seeking more details in order to help find their precious "missing person".
Then detail how many times the Laundrie's refuse to talk to authorities or provide sketchy information.
The Laundrie's blew their 5th Amendment protection by deploying the missing person gambit to apparently buy time for their son.
Again that is assumption based on feelings. Florida law is not going to work on charging the parents as the law here leans towards individual and parental rights. You are saying the feds are going to jump them and they haven’t yet because they have no proof, only people feelz.
As far as Capone, sure that was slick as cow snot, but was then used for much less cause on other people because it meant law enforcement didn’t have to prove the real case. Just like How the RICO laws get abused.
Not being a snot here but where do you draw the line when so many people, including those here, are all but hanging him in the court of public opinion which will ultimately inhibit his right to a fair and speedy hearing.
There are a lot of people from the Jan 6 event in the same boat.
I'm responsible for explaining my own opinion. Not anybody else's.
Public opinion is formed from the behavior of Brian Gunthrie and his parents regarding the death of a woman once very close to them.
The Laundrie clan's actions and non-action created their own public opinion
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Really! What is WRONG with this Red Baron guy?
LOL, I'm multi-tasking with an Aldi online delivery order that they totally screwed up yesterday. 9 items "out of stock".
Reordered it today and magically all the stuff they couldn't find yesterday is now suddenly available.
Aldi had their seasonal German food item special for Oktoberfest and Die Schwarze shopping for me yesterday couldn't decipher what the German stuff was.
Finally just got it cleared up. . .
bw
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No one knows. We just nod and smile, nod and smile.
Can't decipher English either ....
CaryC
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I haven't kept up with the time line as y'all have, but will say this, if from the time of his leaving the car to the time the dogs were brought in was more than 2 days, they would not of picked up a scent. Lot's of movie stuff about dogs, but a 2 day old scent just doesn't work in reality.
In fact with squirrel dogs, a morning romp in the woods by a squirrel will not be picked up by a dog in the afternoon. However a really, really good dog may pick one up, but discard it as old.
Cadaver dogs do work cuz cadaver.
It is the same with bullet holes in trees. Even live trees after a couple of days you couldn't tell fresh from old. And the holes in the pictures appear to be in dead wood, so if it's dead, it's dead wood through and through, and you can't tell one bullet hole from another.
I've got a couple of Ash stumps in the back yard as back stops, been there for several years, you can't tell which ones were made last.
And you don't just stick a pair of tweezers in there and pull one out, either, you have to dig that sucker out, and wallow the hole out.
So a bullet hole doesn't tell you when it was made, nor by whom. And dogs not picking up a scent, if done a few days later doesn't mean anything either.
So you can take a pass on that as evidence.
Just saying.
Mprepared
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I agree. They did look at guns in his parent's house. All being at Moonflower is strange. A creepy guy looking at them, and if there ever was a creepy looking guy it is him, stalking around in the woods all over the place when he has a girlfriend and a van, makes no sense. Comparing him to Rudolph is like comparing a tricycle to a bicycle. He is not going to last long if he is in the wilderness, especially with cooler weather coming.
CaryC
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Die Schwarze = the black ( I would also suggest that using "Die" which is a feminine form of "the" probably meaning it was a black woman.
bw
Fringe Ranger
If I were in his situation and couldn't leave the country, I'd lay a false trail to keep the cops looking in the woods, and I'd go incognito as a homeless bum in the city.
CaryC
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Yeah all three being at Moonflower is really strange and creepy. I'v never been to Moonflower, and don't know where it is.
Even very adapt at survival would start having a hard time after 7 days. AND you can't carry enough food for much longer periods either. Or water.
However seems like I remember the real Olympic bomber being out in the woods for a year or two, but he would come in and dumpster dive and have some help from locals.
And if he is/was down in FL, it would be a really long walk to get to the beginnings/end of appalachian trail, up in N. GA.
Just saying.
Mprepared
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Rudolph was hiding I think for 5 years. I read the story where they were comparing him to Brian and caught dumpster diving. I thought he was in a cave or maybe it was they thought he was. I just remember a news story and pictures of police looking for him in a cave. I remember something about springs and plenty of water for him. He was from around that area and also I think if what he did happened now with Instagram and social media, he could have started an army of followers, where as Brian, nobody is going to support what he did. To just drive a Mustang out of his parent's driveway and tell them he is going to go there is like drawing a big target on his back.
Kayak
Adrenaline Junkie
I think most people assume his parents took him somewhere during their "camping trip". No one has seen him since they returned. And, since they had the camper, there wouldn't be a hotel-bill trail for where they went.
And if they stayed away from interstates, they might not show up on a license tag reader.
I still think the FBI probably knows where they went. Even if they paid cash for gas, they'd show up on video. If they had their phones with them, the FBI will know where they pinged. Though, it's possible I'm giving the FBI too much credit. The Babylon Bee thing about the FBI not knowing how to solve a crime they had no part in feels like it hits pretty close to the mark.
Yikes!
Walsh is not mincing any words.
RT 2:48
John Walsh says Brian Laundrie should "off himself"
View: https://youtu.be/buGCeGTuk50
Walsh is not mincing any words.
RT 2:48
John Walsh says Brian Laundrie should "off himself"
Meemur
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I think if he's really on the AT, and not out of the country, his parents or someone drove him to that area.
How about a couple of "burner" phones, pre-paid credit cards and a Greyhound bus ticket?
He could turn up anywhere?
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Any of the longer trails would be good hiding places for him. There are all manner of young men hiking them at all times of the year, and dirty, smelly hikers wouldn't call undue attention to themselves in the surrounding towns.
If he doesn't turn up in the next couple of days, he's not going to be found for awhile and the story will fall out of the news cycle.
I'm not sure how I got sucked into following this one. I generally ignore these stories.
I do feel for the neighbors who have to put up with all the reporters and cops around. That would annoy the crap out of me if it happened in my neighborhood.
If he doesn't turn up in the next couple of days, he's not going to be found for awhile and the story will fall out of the news cycle.
I'm not sure how I got sucked into following this one. I generally ignore these stories.
I do feel for the neighbors who have to put up with all the reporters and cops around. That would annoy the crap out of me if it happened in my neighborhood.
Mprepared
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Another country, south Florida, or a hidden room in or under the parent's house because it is going to get cold soon? I agree about the burner phones because no way he could live without one, checking news headlines.
Why do y'all think either A. His parents drove him to the woods or B. He has the capability to survive in the woods? Especially in Florida. I spent a lot of years in Florida, in the woods, swamps and Marshes and, while I could easilly survive-it's not something the average "I'm gonna go Camping in my tent until midnight then rent a hotel till 8, get a bite and go Camping til 2PM and go Home." type of thing.
He aint in those woods, he is not in the area unless he has a house and someone supplying him with stuff, otherwise he is long gone.
Wonder if the Cops checked the Crawlspace above and below or looked for hidden doors or hatches in the parents house?
He aint in those woods, he is not in the area unless he has a house and someone supplying him with stuff, otherwise he is long gone.
Wonder if the Cops checked the Crawlspace above and below or looked for hidden doors or hatches in the parents house?
Kayak
Adrenaline Junkie
IF he's in the woods, then I think he's in Alabama, Georgia, or N.Carolina. Not Florida. He's spent months on the AT, so he should be good in the woods within those states, and all of them have wilderness areas that are easy to get lost in. I've spent a good amount of time in them, and I'm not special forces or anything close to it. It's do-able. And his parents had plenty of time to drive him there and then drive back home.
It's just as likely he's in New York somewhere, though I'm not sure how he'd have made it that far north, but he grew up there and can plausibly survive without being noticed. His parents have money -- who knows where he's been stashed.
And at the time, helping him escape the media wasn't breaking any laws. He wasn't under arrest, and if he didn't do it then there are no aiding and abetting after the fact laws being broken either.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Agreed. It's still too hot and buggy in FL. He's farther north, if he's on the AT. If he changes his appearance and keeps a very low profile, he may remain undetected for awhile. I wonder how long it will be before his mental illness catches up with him.
bw
Fringe Ranger
That's why I suggested he go inner city bum - no one would notice another crazy.
Josie
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I believe I read that bloodhounds can pick up a scent/trail after 12-14 days.
Question...and I ask because I really don't know. Has anyone actually seen him since he supposedly returned home on the 10th?
SmithJ
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If he really is on the AT someone will turn him in. It isn’t that remote. Hikers are in and out of towns every couple of days.
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