HEALTH FLU? WHO?

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Some things I would recommend doing:
Get and eat some BLUEBERRIES/raspberries/ DAILY . (Or any other berry with Lots of Anthocyanins in it.)
Take NATURES WAY TURMERIC (Standardized to 95% curcumin) (It has MORE actual Curcumin- the active ingredient-
in it than any other "Turmeric" pills I have found!)
Journal of Berry Research 1 (2011) 209–216
DOI:10.3233/BR-2011-022
IOS Press
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Assessment of the anthocyanidin content of
common fruits and development of a test diet
rich in a range of anthocyanins
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ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
BTW folks, I don't see anywhere to buy the supplement (Medox) they talk about in the article BELOW. It is sold in Europe.
So, I DID instead just NOW order 4 bottles of 90 capsules Natures way BILBERRY (a huckleberry) supplement (that also has elderberry in it). (States that it is 25% anthocyanins)
The cheapest i found was from "LUCKY VITAMIN" .COM .

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Multiple effects of anthocyanins inhibiting influenza (flu) virus infectivity, decreasing secondary tissue damage and boosting the immune system: How important are anthocyanins in human ability to fight viral infections?

by Raul Corredor MD

The answer to this question has two parts. The first part is clear. Diet rich in polyphenols including anthocyanins helps the human immune system to work more efficiently to protect against viral infections.

The second part is a little bit more complex, specific types of anthocyanins may have a direct effect in decreasing influenza viruses infectivity by decreasing the ability of the virus itself to get into the human cells [1-3] or to be released from infected cells [4]; or by having a viricide effect [4-7], it means that some anthocyanins may kill viruses when they are in the lumen of the respiratory or intestinal tract. From this perspective, anthocyanins are very helpful in our battle against influenza.

Does it mean that anthocyanins can prevent influenza virus infections?

That is not the case; the only way to develop permanent immunity to a given virus is by allowing the immune system to fully respond to it (after exposition to the virus or to some antigenic vaccines).

However, increasing evidence suggests that anthocyanins may help by modulating the efficiency of the immune response in such a way that severity of symptoms and tissue damage may be substantially decreased. This characteristic gets more importance in the light of the increased risk of epidemic spread of new, deadly strains of influenza virus as in the case of the bird flu and the swine flu.

Why some people suffer milder forms of the disease, while others die despite being infected for the same viral strain and despite having similar treatment?

There are some obvious reasons for this, like the genetic background, immunization and the overall nutritional state. However, there are two additional factors: viral load related to the number of viral particles present at a given time in tissue or fluids; and secondary tissue damage [8-10] characterized by the death of cells that are not infected with the virus yet:
This includes at least three aggravating factors, release of free radicals (ROS) and toxic mediators from dying cells infected with the virus; release of ROS and inflammatory (by activation of the pro-inflammatory NF-kB signaling pathway, by inducing airway hyperreactivity, and by gating apoptosis mediated by mitochondrial DNA oxidative damage) mediators by immune cells, and side effects of antiviral medication[11-16].

Both of these factors are modified by mechanisms that were described above to be associated with the therapeutic effects of anthocyanins. As example, In the immune system anthocyanins induce macrophages to secrete tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNFα) [17, 18], TNFα has a strong viricide effect [19] decreasing influenza viral counts up to 28% in cultures of kidney cells [17].

Similarly, polyphenols neutralize influenza A virus directly in culture [4, 20, 21], and inhibit viral adhesion to cell membrane receptors in vitro [1, 3]without affecting cell viability [2].

Unfortunately, only few clinical studies showing the importance of anthocyanins in influenza treatment and prevention have been performed [22, 23], just enough to put in evidence the need for additional research studies.

However, extensive research in vitro[4, 24] and in animal models in vivo [25], constitutes demonstration of anthocyanins-mediated antiviral effects; which is of particular importance if it is noted that the antiviral effect of polyphenols is not significantly affected by viral mutations because they are binding to the viral envelope lipids or sugar moieties [6].

How much is an adequate, therapeutically effective doses of anthocyanins?

There is clear justification to consider anthocyanins in the treatment and prevention of the flu (specially having into account that in case of an epidemic outbreak, it may be potentially difficult and stressing to get the formal antiviral treatment from the health system; no antiviral medication is 100% effective, and viral responses to medications change over time). However, although not toxicity has been reported with anthocyanins, it is not clear the amount of them required.

Medox™ is a presentation of anthocyanins with the highest (80mg), standardized concentration of anthocyanins available (and includes additional 115mg of other polyphenols). Anthocyanins have been shown to help in the seasonal flu [23], and are a good alternative to complement other measurements; including diet, since this amount of anthocyanins and polyphenols (equivalent to the amount contained in Medox™) would imply daily consumption of many pounds of a combination of anthocyanins-containing fruits and vegetables.

References:

1. Nakayama, M., et al., Inhibition of the infectivity of influenza virus by tea polyphenols. Antiviral Res, 1993. 21(4): p. 289-99.
2. Ehrhardt, C., et al., A polyphenol rich plant extract, CYSTUS052, exerts anti influenza virus activity in cell culture without toxic side effects or the tendency to induce viral resistance. Antiviral Res, 2007. 76(1): p. 38-47.
3. Yingsakmongkon, S., et al., In vitro inhibition of human influenza A virus infection by fruit-juice concentrate of Japanese plum (Prunus mume SIEB. et ZUCC). Biol Pharm Bull, 2008. 31(3): p. 511-5.
4. Knox, Y.M., et al., Anti-influenza virus activity of crude extract of Ribes nigrum L. Phytother Res, 2003. 17(2): p. 120-2.
5. Liu, A.L., et al., In vitro anti-influenza viral activities of constituents from Caesalpinia sappan. Planta Med, 2009. 75(4): p. 337-9.
6. Kotwal, G.J., Genetic diversity-independent neutralization of pandemic viruses (e.g. HIV), potentially pandemic (e.g. H5N1 strain of influenza) and carcinogenic (e.g. HBV and HCV) viruses and possible agents of bioterrorism (variola) by enveloped virus neutralizing compounds (EVNCs). Vaccine, 2008. 26(24): p. 3055-8.
7. Song, J.M., K.H. Lee, and B.L. Seong, Antiviral effect of catechins in green tea on influenza virus. Antiviral Res, 2005. 68(2): p. 66-74.
8. Rossi, A., et al., Protective effects of anthocyanins from blackberry in a rat model of acute lung inflammation. Free Radic Res, 2003. 37(8): p. 891-900.
9. Serraino, I., et al., Protective effects of cyanidin-3-O-glucoside from blackberry extract against peroxynitrite-induced endothelial dysfunction and vascular failure. Life Sci, 2003. 73(9): p. 1097-114.
10. Wang, Q., et al., Cyanidin-3-O-beta-glucoside inhibits iNOS and COX-2 expression by inducing liver X receptor alpha activation in THP-1 macrophages. Life Sci, 2008. 83(5-6): p. 176-84.
11. Valcheva-Kuzmanova, S.V. and A. Belcheva, Current knowledge of Aronia melanocarpa as a medicinal plant. Folia Med (Plovdiv), 2006. 48(2): p. 11-7.
12. Hamauzu, Y., et al., Phenolic profile, antioxidant property, and anti-influenza viral activity of Chinese quince (Pseudocydonia sinensis Schneid.), quince (Cydonia oblonga Mill.), and apple (Malus domestica Mill.) fruits. J Agric Food Chem, 2005. 53(4): p. 928-34.
13. Karlsen, A., et al., Anthocyanins inhibit nuclear factor-kappaB activation in monocytes and reduce plasma concentrations of pro-inflammatory mediators in healthy adults. J Nutr, 2007. 137(8): p. 1951-4.
14. Ruchko, M., et al., Mitochondrial DNA damage triggers mitochondrial dysfunction and apoptosis in oxidant-challenged lung endothelial cells. Am J Physiol Lung Cell Mol Physiol, 2005. 288(3): p. L530-5.
15. Youdim, K.A., A. Martin, and J.A. Joseph, Incorporation of the elderberry anthocyanins by endothelial cells increases protection against oxidative stress. Free Radic Biol Med, 2000. 29(1): p. 51-60.
16. Park, S.J., et al., Anthocyanins inhibit airway inflammation and hyperresponsiveness in a murine asthma model. Food Chem Toxicol, 2007. 45(8): p. 1459-67.
17. Obi, N., et al., Inhibitory Effect of TNF-alpha Produced by Macrophages Stimulated with Grifola frondosa Extract (ME) on the Growth of Influenza A/Aichi/2/68 Virus in MDCK Cells. Am J Chin Med, 2008. 36(6): p. 1171-83.
18. Imanishi, N., et al., Macrophage-mediated inhibitory effect of Zingiber officinale Rosc, a traditional oriental herbal medicine, on the growth of influenza A/Aichi/2/68 virus. Am J Chin Med, 2006. 34(1): p. 157-69.
19. Van Campen, H., Influenza A virus replication is inhibited by tumor necrosis factor-alpha in vitro. Arch Virol, 1994. 136(3-4): p. 439-46.
20. Sawai, R., et al., Anti-influenza virus activity of Chaenomeles sinensis. J Ethnopharmacol, 2008. 118(1): p. 108-12.
21. Awadh Ali, N.A., et al., Antiviral activity of Inonotus hispidus. Fitoterapia, 2003. 74(5): p. 483-5.
22. Wang, X., W. Jia, and A. Zhao, Anti-influenza agents from plants and traditional Chinese medicine. Phytother Res, 2006. 20(5): p. 335-41.
23. Zakay-Rones, Z., et al., Randomized study of the efficacy and safety of oral elderberry extract in the treatment of influenza A and B virus infections. J Int Med Res, 2004. 32(2): p. 132-40.
24. Galvano, F., et al., Bioavailability, antioxidant and biological properties of the natural free-radical scavengers cyanidin and related glycosides. Ann Ist Super Sanita, 2007. 43(4): p. 382-93.
25. Droebner, K., et al., CYSTUS052, a polyphenol-rich plant extract, exerts anti-influenza virus activity in mice. Antiviral Res, 2007. 76(1): p. 1-10.
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Deb Mc

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Aint,

Thank you very much for all your research on this.

I have a real problem though with this part:

<SNIP>"Both of these factors are modified by mechanisms that were described above to be associated with the therapeutic effects of anthocyanins. As example, In the immune system anthocyanins induce macrophages to secrete tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNFα) [17, 18], TNFα has a strong viricide effect [19] decreasing influenza viral counts up to 28% in cultures of kidney cells [17]."</SNIP>

TNF-a is what causes the damage to the organs during a Cytokine storm. During a normal flu year, sure, increased TNF-a is probably a good thing. In a year with an aggressive, or new flu, (like this year's H3N2), I'd avoid increasing your TNF-a at all costs.(!!!) Imo, increased TNF-a is probably what has caused many of the unusual flu deaths this year. i.e. "He was as healthy as a horse."

Fwiw...
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Reading about a lot of flu deaths around the country today.

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Mark Calvey
‏ @SFBTmoney
2m2 minutes ago

#SanFrancisco #hospitals near capacity as #flu outbreak continues http://bizj.us/1pgvwb #fluseason #Flu2018 #flushot @CDCgov

*snip*


Updated Jan 19, 2018, 2:40pm PST

San Francisco's hospitals are nearly at full capacity as this year's flu outbreak continues to drive increasing inpatient admissions and emergency room visits.

State officials today reported 32 people under the age 65 died last week from the flu. A total of 72 people under 65 have died from the flu since October, up from 14 deaths during the same time period last year. To track how prevalent flu is where you are and nationwide, click on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's "flu tracker" here. (at link)

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfran...itals-near-capacity-flu-outbreak.html?ana=twt


Trisha Calvo
‏ @TrishaCalvo
8m8 minutes ago

Tough #fluseason. Most people will recover, but there have been about 700 deaths. @ConsumerReports @catharob has advice on the signs you should get immediate medical help. #flu #Flu2018

https://www.consumerreports.org/flu/how-to-tell-if-you-need-emergency-flu-treatment/


CTV Lethbridge
‏Verified account @CTVLethbridge
1h1 hour ago

Flu has caused 82 deaths in Canada but it's not too late to get the shot: doctors http://bit.ly/2DkIzmn


Heather Ly‏Verified account @HeatherLyWGRZ

Flu is still considered widespread in New York State. This is the 6th week widespread activity has been reported.

There were 6,083 lab-confirmed flu cases (week ending 1/13) - 54% increase over previous week.
@WGRZ


Vaccine Finder
‏ @VaccineFinder
14m14 minutes ago

#NorthDakota: 2 more deaths attributed to #flu -KFGO http://ow.ly/XbMm30hSJXJ



Local 12/WKRC-TV
‏Verified account @Local12
22m22 minutes ago

OH, KY, IN are all listed for "high #flu activity" http://bit.ly/2mVQ3pG @lbonis1 reports


KERA News
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26m26 minutes ago

KERA News Retweeted KERA News

.@DCHHS has reported two additional #flu deaths. One patient was just 17 years old, which makes it the county's first pediatric death of the season. http://tinyurl.com/yckujnp6


KERA News
‏Verified account @keranews
6h6 hours ago

Fifty people have now died from the #flu in North Texas this season — 38 of them in Dallas County:



Kim Block
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40m40 minutes ago

#INFLUENZA #FLU in Maine:
- 21 deaths (CDC)
- Vaccine still recommended - Avoid crowds, wash hands - Stay home if sick - Most recover in 5 days



There's more, I just don't have them all handy right now.
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
In my 71 years, I've never gone to the Dr for flu-like symptoms until a few days ago. After 5 days of misery, I decided I better make an apt to see which direction I was headed. Rapid test: Influenza

Hacking started on Thurs evening, chills and 2 days flat out followed. The virus set up in the upper respiratory tract and coughing/wheezing got so bad I thought I might have to go to the emergency room.

Throw in 6 days of nausea, 3 days of diarrhea, 2 days of headache, a multitude of home remedies, 4 days of steroids, 5 days of albuterol every 6 hours (and still coughing). But I think I'm pretty much done with it.

This is nothing to fool with.

Flu deaths increase 37 percent in Indiana in 1 week; 79 total statewide
17 deaths in Marion, Hamilton and Shelby Counties


For the week ending Jan. 6, the state health department reported 50 flu deaths for the season and 79 deaths in total for the following week.

The first flu-related death in Indiana for the 2017-18 season was reported on December 8, more than a month later than the first death of 2016. The first death of the season was a juvenile, according to the Indiana State Department of Health.

72 of the 79 deaths from this flu season were in people ages between the ages of 50 and 65+

more at link
https://www.theindychannel.com/mark...rcent-in-indiana-in-1-week-79-total-statewide
 

Flashyzipp

Veteran Member
My 86 year old Dad basically died from Influenza A last Saturday. It’s a long story, but he was in icu and on a ventilator and overcame that only to have his heart give out a few days after they removed the ventilator. My husband got influenza a from my Dad. My daughter is a nurse and told me to drink lots of hot drinks because the flu virus lives in the throat and hates heat. I drank tons of tea while caring for my Dad. I was in direct contact with his mucus etc before he was diagnosed. I never got the flu! I also never got a flu shot this year. Not sure why I never got the flu. I sure should have!
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I'm sorry to hear about your Dad, flashyzipp. Glad you haven't caught it... it is a vicious bug this year.

Summerthyme
 

Hellion

Senior Member
FYI:

Can the vaccine give me the flu?

No. The flu vaccine can't give you the flu. But you might develop flu-like symptoms — despite getting a flu shot — for a variety of reasons, including:

Reaction to the vaccine. Some people experience muscle aches and a fever for a day or two after receiving a flu shot. This may be a side effect of your body's production of protective antibodies.
The two-week window. It takes about two weeks for the flu shot to take full effect. If you're exposed to the influenza virus shortly before or during that time period, you might catch the flu.
Mismatched flu viruses. In some years, the influenza viruses used for the vaccine don't match the viruses circulating during the flu season. If this occurs, your flu shot will be less effective, but may still offer some protection.
Other illnesses. Many other diseases, such as the common cold, also produce flu-like symptoms. So you may think you have the flu when you actually don't.
Link:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/in-depth/flu-shots/art-20048000?pg=2

Believe what you want.
Works for me for the last 20 Years = no flu.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
Thank you! It’s been very sad. I moved him and my Mom here 8 weeks ago to take care of them.

Oh, how awful... I hope you got some time together in that short time, though, and I'm sure it's going to be a blessing for your mom not to be totally alone in her grief...

Summerthyme
 

lojoma

Veteran Member
CDr Im sorry to hear of all experiencing loss. As the following peer reviewed study shows in the conclusion, it has been known since 2005 that colloidal silver kills H3N2 dead across the board, in vivo and in vitro, protecting the lungs of the mice. I would be enraged to lose a loved one without even trying cs, based on this study. No vaccine for me.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3817021

Final Conclusion to the lengthy article above "In vitro, AgNPs significantly protected cells against viral infection by increasing their live viability and protecting against CPEs, inhibiting growth of the virus, and decreasing the cellular apoptosis induced by H3N2 IFV. In addition, intranasal AgNP administration significantly enhanced survival in mice, prevented virus growth in their lungs, inhibited the development of pathologic lung lesions, and had a marked survival benefit on secondary passage. Taken together, the results indicate that AgNPs have promising antiviral activity against H3N2 IFV through multiple mechanisms, demonstrating that development of optimized AgNPs and further investigation of their relevant antiviral mechanisms will be critical for controlling influenza outbreaks."
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
BTW folks, I don't see anywhere to buy the supplement (Medox) they talk about in the article BELOW. It is sold in Europe.
So, I DID instead just NOW order 4 bottles of 90 capsules Natures way BILBERRY (a huckleberry) supplement (that also has elderberry in it). (States that it is 25% anthocyanins)
The cheapest i found was from "LUCKY VITAMIN" .COM .

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Multiple effects of anthocyanins inhibiting influenza (flu) virus infectivity

Multiple effects of anthocyanins inhibiting influenza (flu) virus infectivity, decreasing secondary tissue damage and boosting the immune system: How important are anthocyanins in human ability to fight viral infections?

by Raul Corredor MD

The answer to this question has two parts. The first part is clear. Diet rich in polyphenols including anthocyanins helps the human immune system to work more efficiently to protect against viral infections.

The second part is a little bit more complex, specific types of anthocyanins may have a direct effect in decreasing influenza viruses infectivity by decreasing the ability of the virus itself to get into the human cells [1-3] or to be released from infected cells [4]; or by having a viricide effect [4-7], it means that some anthocyanins may kill viruses when they are in the lumen of the respiratory or intestinal tract. From this perspective, anthocyanins are very helpful in our battle against influenza.

Does it mean that anthocyanins can prevent influenza virus infections?

That is not the case; the only way to develop permanent immunity to a given virus is by allowing the immune system to fully respond to it (after exposition to the virus or to some antigenic vaccines).

However, increasing evidence suggests that anthocyanins may help by modulating the efficiency of the immune response in such a way that severity of symptoms and tissue damage may be substantially decreased. This characteristic gets more importance in the light of the increased risk of epidemic spread of new, deadly strains of influenza virus as in the case of the bird flu and the swine flu.

Why some people suffer milder forms of the disease, while others die despite being infected for the same viral strain and despite having similar treatment?

There are some obvious reasons for this, like the genetic background, immunization and the overall nutritional state. However, there are two additional factors: viral load related to the number of viral particles present at a given time in tissue or fluids; and secondary tissue damage [8-10] characterized by the death of cells that are not infected with the virus yet:
This includes at least three aggravating factors, release of free radicals (ROS) and toxic mediators from dying cells infected with the virus; release of ROS and inflammatory (by activation of the pro-inflammatory NF-kB signaling pathway, by inducing airway hyperreactivity, and by gating apoptosis mediated by mitochondrial DNA oxidative damage) mediators by immune cells, and side effects of antiviral medication[11-16].

Both of these factors are modified by mechanisms that were described above to be associated with the therapeutic effects of anthocyanins. As example, In the immune system anthocyanins induce macrophages to secrete tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNFα) [17, 18], TNFα has a strong viricide effect [19] decreasing influenza viral counts up to 28% in cultures of kidney cells [17].

Similarly, polyphenols neutralize influenza A virus directly in culture [4, 20, 21], and inhibit viral adhesion to cell membrane receptors in vitro [1, 3]without affecting cell viability [2].

Unfortunately, only few clinical studies showing the importance of anthocyanins in influenza treatment and prevention have been performed [22, 23], just enough to put in evidence the need for additional research studies.

However, extensive research in vitro[4, 24] and in animal models in vivo [25], constitutes demonstration of anthocyanins-mediated antiviral effects; which is of particular importance if it is noted that the antiviral effect of polyphenols is not significantly affected by viral mutations because they are binding to the viral envelope lipids or sugar moieties [6].

How much is an adequate, therapeutically effective doses of anthocyanins?

There is clear justification to consider anthocyanins in the treatment and prevention of the flu (specially having into account that in case of an epidemic outbreak, it may be potentially difficult and stressing to get the formal antiviral treatment from the health system; no antiviral medication is 100% effective, and viral responses to medications change over time). However, although not toxicity has been reported with anthocyanins, it is not clear the amount of them required.

Medox™ is a presentation of anthocyanins with the highest (80mg), standardized concentration of anthocyanins available (and includes additional 115mg of other polyphenols). Anthocyanins have been shown to help in the seasonal flu [23], and are a good alternative to complement other measurements; including diet, since this amount of anthocyanins and polyphenols (equivalent to the amount contained in Medox™) would imply daily consumption of many pounds of a combination of anthocyanins-containing fruits and vegetables.

References:

1. Nakayama, M., et al., Inhibition of the infectivity of influenza virus by tea polyphenols. Antiviral Res, 1993. 21(4): p. 289-99.
2. Ehrhardt, C., et al., A polyphenol rich plant extract, CYSTUS052, exerts anti influenza virus activity in cell culture without toxic side effects or the tendency to induce viral resistance. Antiviral Res, 2007. 76(1): p. 38-47.
3. Yingsakmongkon, S., et al., In vitro inhibition of human influenza A virus infection by fruit-juice concentrate of Japanese plum (Prunus mume SIEB. et ZUCC). Biol Pharm Bull, 2008. 31(3): p. 511-5.
4. Knox, Y.M., et al., Anti-influenza virus activity of crude extract of Ribes nigrum L. Phytother Res, 2003. 17(2): p. 120-2.
5. Liu, A.L., et al., In vitro anti-influenza viral activities of constituents from Caesalpinia sappan. Planta Med, 2009. 75(4): p. 337-9.
6. Kotwal, G.J., Genetic diversity-independent neutralization of pandemic viruses (e.g. HIV), potentially pandemic (e.g. H5N1 strain of influenza) and carcinogenic (e.g. HBV and HCV) viruses and possible agents of bioterrorism (variola) by enveloped virus neutralizing compounds (EVNCs). Vaccine, 2008. 26(24): p. 3055-8.
7. Song, J.M., K.H. Lee, and B.L. Seong, Antiviral effect of catechins in green tea on influenza virus. Antiviral Res, 2005. 68(2): p. 66-74.
8. Rossi, A., et al., Protective effects of anthocyanins from blackberry in a rat model of acute lung inflammation. Free Radic Res, 2003. 37(8): p. 891-900.
9. Serraino, I., et al., Protective effects of cyanidin-3-O-glucoside from blackberry extract against peroxynitrite-induced endothelial dysfunction and vascular failure. Life Sci, 2003. 73(9): p. 1097-114.
10. Wang, Q., et al., Cyanidin-3-O-beta-glucoside inhibits iNOS and COX-2 expression by inducing liver X receptor alpha activation in THP-1 macrophages. Life Sci, 2008. 83(5-6): p. 176-84.
11. Valcheva-Kuzmanova, S.V. and A. Belcheva, Current knowledge of Aronia melanocarpa as a medicinal plant. Folia Med (Plovdiv), 2006. 48(2): p. 11-7.
12. Hamauzu, Y., et al., Phenolic profile, antioxidant property, and anti-influenza viral activity of Chinese quince (Pseudocydonia sinensis Schneid.), quince (Cydonia oblonga Mill.), and apple (Malus domestica Mill.) fruits. J Agric Food Chem, 2005. 53(4): p. 928-34.
13. Karlsen, A., et al., Anthocyanins inhibit nuclear factor-kappaB activation in monocytes and reduce plasma concentrations of pro-inflammatory mediators in healthy adults. J Nutr, 2007. 137(8): p. 1951-4.
14. Ruchko, M., et al., Mitochondrial DNA damage triggers mitochondrial dysfunction and apoptosis in oxidant-challenged lung endothelial cells. Am J Physiol Lung Cell Mol Physiol, 2005. 288(3): p. L530-5.
15. Youdim, K.A., A. Martin, and J.A. Joseph, Incorporation of the elderberry anthocyanins by endothelial cells increases protection against oxidative stress. Free Radic Biol Med, 2000. 29(1): p. 51-60.
16. Park, S.J., et al., Anthocyanins inhibit airway inflammation and hyperresponsiveness in a murine asthma model. Food Chem Toxicol, 2007. 45(8): p. 1459-67.
17. Obi, N., et al., Inhibitory Effect of TNF-alpha Produced by Macrophages Stimulated with Grifola frondosa Extract (ME) on the Growth of Influenza A/Aichi/2/68 Virus in MDCK Cells. Am J Chin Med, 2008. 36(6): p. 1171-83.
18. Imanishi, N., et al., Macrophage-mediated inhibitory effect of Zingiber officinale Rosc, a traditional oriental herbal medicine, on the growth of influenza A/Aichi/2/68 virus. Am J Chin Med, 2006. 34(1): p. 157-69.
19. Van Campen, H., Influenza A virus replication is inhibited by tumor necrosis factor-alpha in vitro. Arch Virol, 1994. 136(3-4): p. 439-46.
20. Sawai, R., et al., Anti-influenza virus activity of Chaenomeles sinensis. J Ethnopharmacol, 2008. 118(1): p. 108-12.
21. Awadh Ali, N.A., et al., Antiviral activity of Inonotus hispidus. Fitoterapia, 2003. 74(5): p. 483-5.
22. Wang, X., W. Jia, and A. Zhao, Anti-influenza agents from plants and traditional Chinese medicine. Phytother Res, 2006. 20(5): p. 335-41.
23. Zakay-Rones, Z., et al., Randomized study of the efficacy and safety of oral elderberry extract in the treatment of influenza A and B virus infections. J Int Med Res, 2004. 32(2): p. 132-40.
24. Galvano, F., et al., Bioavailability, antioxidant and biological properties of the natural free-radical scavengers cyanidin and related glycosides. Ann Ist Super Sanita, 2007. 43(4): p. 382-93.
25. Droebner, K., et al., CYSTUS052, a polyphenol-rich plant extract, exerts anti-influenza virus activity in mice. Antiviral Res, 2007. 76(1): p. 1-10.
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Thank you aintitfunny - I'm ordering some of this right now to add to my supplies.
 

Sandune

Veteran Member
Currently setting in Er. Had this stuff since Tuesday and thought I was over it yesterday. Run 102 last night. Doc said this could go on for three weeks. Had flue shot in October.
 

straightstreet

Life is better in flip flops
Myself, youngest DS, and both of our grandsons all have it right now. I seem to be recovering quicker than the boys so I'm going with - it's hit them harder.
Flashyzipp, I'm sorry about your Dad.
 

Flashyzipp

Veteran Member
Oh, how awful... I hope you got some time together in that short time, though, and I'm sure it's going to be a blessing for your mom not to be totally alone in her grief...

Summerthyme

Thank you! I had some amazing moments with my Dad! It was miraculous!
 

Nancy in OK

Senior Member
I read an article this morning on Facebook. It said that a few days after flu diagnosis and going for medicine that some people start another fever. It turns into pneumonia fast and to get back to the doctor. If not treated, it then turns into sepsis and several have died.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I read an article this morning on Facebook. It said that a few days after flu diagnosis and going for medicine that some people start another fever. It turns into pneumonia fast and to get back to the doctor. If not treated, it then turns into sepsis and several have died.

This isn't at all uncommon after any viral illness. I tell people (over and over and over!) that "right now, you've probably got a virus... nothing to do for that but rest, fluids, elderberry (if it's likely to be influenza), zinc and "tincture of time""... BUT... if your fever has dropped to normal and stayed there for a couple/few days, and then you begin running a fever again, you probably have a secondary bacterial infection, and it's time to head to the doctor (or ER if you are feeling truly ill, or your cough is suddenly producing brownish/greenish sputum, or blood streaks)

Summerthyme
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
This isn't at all uncommon after any viral illness. I tell people (over and over and over!) that "right now, you've probably got a virus... nothing to do for that but rest, fluids, elderberry (if it's likely to be influenza), zinc and "tincture of time""... BUT... if your fever has dropped to normal and stayed there for a couple/few days, and then you begin running a fever again, you probably have a secondary bacterial infection, and it's time to head to the doctor (or ER if you are feeling truly ill, or your cough is suddenly producing brownish/greenish sputum, or blood streaks)

Summerthyme

Interesting thanks
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I was curious whether antioxidants and anthocyanins were available from blueberry jam so I sought an official source for the info.

National Institute of Health study on anthocyanins in Bluberry Jam
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20055410
Jam processing and storage effects on blueberry polyphenolics and antioxidant capacity.
Abstract

Fresh blueberries were processed into sugar and sugar-free jams and stored for 6 months at 4 and 25 degrees C. The jams were analyzed immediately after processing and over 6 months of storage for polyphenolic content, percent polymeric color, and antioxidant capacity. Processing resulted in losses of anthocyanins, procyanidins, chlorogenic acid, and ORAC in both jam types, but flavonols were well retained. Marked losses of anthocyanins and procyanidins occurred over 6 months of storage and were accompanied by increased polymeric color values. Chlorogenic acid levels also declined during storage, but flavonols and ORAC changed little. Jams stored at 4 degrees C retained higher levels of anthocyanins, procyanidins, and ORAC and had lower polymeric color values than jams stored at 25 degrees C. Sugar-free jams retained higher levels of anthocyanins and had lower polymeric color values than sugar jams late during storage. Blueberry jams should be refrigerated to better retain polyphenolics and antioxidant capacity.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I was curious whether antioxidants and anthocyanins were available from blueberry jam so I sought an official source for the info.

National Institute of Health study on anthocyanins in Bluberry Jam
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20055410
Jam processing and storage effects on blueberry polyphenolics and antioxidant capacity.
Abstract

Fresh blueberries were processed into sugar and sugar-free jams and stored for 6 months at 4 and 25 degrees C. The jams were analyzed immediately after processing and over 6 months of storage for polyphenolic content, percent polymeric color, and antioxidant capacity. Processing resulted in losses of anthocyanins, procyanidins, chlorogenic acid, and ORAC in both jam types, but flavonols were well retained. Marked losses of anthocyanins and procyanidins occurred over 6 months of storage and were accompanied by increased polymeric color values. Chlorogenic acid levels also declined during storage, but flavonols and ORAC changed little. Jams stored at 4 degrees C retained higher levels of anthocyanins, procyanidins, and ORAC and had lower polymeric color values than jams stored at 25 degrees C. Sugar-free jams retained higher levels of anthocyanins and had lower polymeric color values than sugar jams late during storage. Blueberry jams should be refrigerated to better retain polyphenolics and antioxidant capacity.

So, your best bet would be to freeze your berries and eat them fresh. Second best would be to cold press the berries (or use a juicer) and then use my elderberry syrup recipe (with the vodka) and bottle it without heating.

BTW, hubby was struggling with a serious loss of night vision as he went into his early sixties. NOT a good thing for someone with a CDL who drives school bus. I got him to start using 1/2 cup blueberries in his yogurt every day. In about 3 months, he said his night vision was better than he could remember! Fortunately, we have our own blueberry patch, and usually produce enough for fresh daily use for 3 months in the summer, and then frozen for the rest of the year.

Summerthyme
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Hmmm, very old people where I live:


news10nbc
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10m10 minutes ago

#BREAKING: 2 more flu-related deaths reported in Monroe County

January 22, 2018 01:46 PM

Two more people have died as a result of the flu in Monroe County.

The Monroe County Department of Health cited the deaths in a report on flu cases through Jan. 13. One person was between the ages of 75 and 84; the other was 85 years old or older.

In total, since flu season began on Oct. 1, three people between the ages of 75 and 84, one person between the ages of 50 and 64, and one person 85 years old or older have died in Monroe County as a result of the flu.

According to the Department of Health, as of Jan. 13, there were 1,323 confirmed cases of the flu. Of those, 378 cases resulted in people being hospitalized.

http://www.whec.com/news/two-more-flu-related-deaths-reported-in-monroe-county/4753775/
 

Suzieq

Veteran Member
Six Year Old Girl from Cary, NC Died from the Flu!

Cary, N.C. — A Cary mother says her 6-year-old daughter died from the flu last week.

According to a GoFundMe page, Emily Grace Muth started exhibiting signs of the flu last Tuesday and died Friday as a result of the illness.

Read More: http://www.wral.com/6-year-old-cary-girl-dies-from-the-flu/17281690/

Please notice on the website from above link has a video above the article, that pushes vaccinating your children! What? Suzieq
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
FYI:

Can the vaccine give me the flu?

No. The flu vaccine can't give you the flu.

And this would be incorrect. My father would contract the flu within 72 hours of a flu shot every time he received one, regardless of exposure conditions and circumstances, and he always came down with one of the strains in the flu shot he received even if it wasn't one of the strains that was actually making the rounds at the time. (Which is how he was able to tell it was the shot itself and not exposure during the ineffectiveness window.)

It's rare, something on the order of 0.1%, but it does happen.
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
My whole family is down with this mess and it's not pretty. Although the CDC says the most prevalent serotype for this season's flu-fest is an Australian H3N2 variant, this has hit me more and harder than H1N1/California/2009 did back in the last big outbreak. Whatever it is, it comes at you hard and fast - you'll go from first symptoms (like a scratchy throat) to down for the count in about 8 hours

I don't normally get the "body aches" thing, but for this flu, everything's hurting. It feels like I'm having micro-cramps everywhere and my eyes even hurt when I have to rub them.

Chiils and fever? Check and check. I also don't normally get chills, but those joined the fun from day one. The only other time I've had chills in the last thirty years has been from passing a kidney stone, and this is not a difficulty scale I enjoy.

And the coughing, don't even get me started on the coughing - I'ma have me some washboard abs - if I survive, that is.
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Family next door had it. The dad coughed so hard he dislocated a rib. He's off work for three months. Be careful out there.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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OddOne... please consider using cucurmin plus piperine (unless you are on medication which would react badly with it)... it will likely work better on your pain than anything else, and it should mitigate any potential cytokine storm. When we had H1N1 in 2009, *nothing* touched the extreme joint and muscle pain, including hydrocodone...but cucurmin made a major difference.

And please! If you start having any symptoms of shortness of breath, or extreme fatigue, especially if it worsens on exertion, get there to the hospital!

Praying for you guys...

Summerthyme
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm confused here. Aint says, "take lots of blueberries!" Deb MC essentially says, "Don't take lots of blueberries; tnf-a is BAD if there is a cytokine storm!". So, which is it? Does this flu trigger a cytokine storm, or not?

BTW, just talked with an ED nurse an hour ago. She says Missouri (where I am training nurses right now, of course...) is currently #1 in the nation for flu, in terms of how many hospital beds are occupied right now because of it. Said 3 of her nurses called off tonight instead of coming to work at the ER. Yesterday I had a class with 20 nurses, 6 of whom were coughing. I've never seen that before. Feb 3rd, we release the software in 4 of the hospitals, and I get to spend the next 3 weeks helping the nurses with it in those 4 hospitals. I do have sambucol on hand, liposomal C, and take curcumin with piperine daily...
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've mentioned it on TB2K before, but I never get flu shots and have not had the flu (or even anything resembling a cold, sore throat or even sniffles)
in over a decade of daily taking a hefty dose of KI along with an 70 yr proven animal feed supplement, both I'd detailed just last week here on my site...
www.ki4u.com/health.htm
Oh, yeah, they both together only cost me < $20/yr.

- Shane
 
I offered to return with the information re: whether the Sambucol liquid is homeopathic, as I thought it was. Welll, I wuz wrong....I must have had both my new containers of Sambucol liq. and the tablets on the desk, and saw "homeopathic" on the tablet box, thinking it was the liquid I'd seen that on it. Wrong. Just the tabs. Trying to catch that crow I promised to eat!

While at the local health food store, I noticed they have a copycat product called Sambucus, I believe. (Not 100% sure of the name, but think that is correct.) It has 6000 mg. of elderberry extract per 2 tsp., but I don't have a bottle of Sambucol to compare amounts in that. Can't find Sambucol, locally.
 

Momof5

Senior Member
Have it now, severe headache, fever, body feels like it's been hit with a truck. It went right to my chest. Bypassed my nose and throat. Three days now. Have to be out of my house by Sunday and had to do all my big moving today. Sucked
 

OddOne

< Yes, I do look like that.
OddOne... please consider using cucurmin plus piperine (unless you are on medication which would react badly with it)... it will likely work better on your pain than anything else, and it should mitigate any potential cytokine storm. When we had H1N1 in 2009, *nothing* touched the extreme joint and muscle pain, including hydrocodone...but cucurmin made a major difference.

And please! If you start having any symptoms of shortness of breath, or extreme fatigue, especially if it worsens on exertion, get there to the hospital!

Thus far, ordinary OTC flu meds are keeping the fever and aches in check, and we're all taking a family brew of elderberry, clove, and honey (among other things) that works pretty well along with echinacea/goldenseal to help deter secondary infections (as you really don't want this to devolve into bronchitis/pneumonia, and septic toxicity is a big problem in this flu cycle). It's like Sambucol on crack - VERY strong stuff! My brother turns a headcold off in three days with it. I might see about compatibility with the brew to see if cucurmin and piperine would be safe additives.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm confused here. Aint says, "take lots of blueberries!" Deb MC essentially says, "Don't take lots of blueberries; tnf-a is BAD if there is a cytokine storm!". So, which is it? Does this flu trigger a cytokine storm, or not?

BTW, just talked with an ED nurse an hour ago. She says Missouri (where I am training nurses right now, of course...) is currently #1 in the nation for flu, in terms of how many hospital beds are occupied right now because of it. Said 3 of her nurses called off tonight instead of coming to work at the ER. Yesterday I had a class with 20 nurses, 6 of whom were coughing. I've never seen that before. Feb 3rd, we release the software in 4 of the hospitals, and I get to spend the next 3 weeks helping the nurses with it in those 4 hospitals. I do have sambucol on hand, liposomal C, and take curcumin with piperine daily...

Way I understand this - if you don't currently have flu now - eat the berries. But if you DO get the flu, remember it's a one-two shot... and then, only for SOME people. My friend had it; only part 1 luckily. The way this flu is described to me, people aren't eating much of anything while they're down with it. So the blueberries are to augment a vaccine or boost immune system to prevent getting sick.
 

Trivium Pursuit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Way I understand this - if you don't currently have flu now - eat the berries. But if you DO get the flu, remember it's a one-two shot... and then, only for SOME people. My friend had it; only part 1 luckily. The way this flu is described to me, people aren't eating much of anything while they're down with it. So the blueberries are to augment a vaccine or boost immune system to prevent getting sick.

Thank you Sac! This is exactly what I was looking for. By the way, I also started taking the Diatomaceous Earth 2 weeks ago, currently at 1tsp in the morning. Think I read somewhere in the 2,200 posts that DE is positively charged, and attracts viruses, bacteria, etc., that are negatively charged. Or vice versa, but the same effect. Also, question for the group, has anyone here had success preventing or treating flu with Thieve's Oil? As I am about to start spending 3 weeks rounding at several hospitals here, I'm wanting to cover all avenues...
 
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