HEALTH FLU? WHO?

Dozdoats

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H/T to Padre Peter for the link to this list. The blog post which prompted the link is coming up...
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http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2018/01/psa-flu-2018.html

Tuesday, January 2, 2018
PSA: Flu 2018 - Updated

Thirty-six states report influenza activity as "widespread". That would be all the brown ones in the CDC map, above.
Nota bene the number of states with no influenza activity this year is "zero".

The CDC has identified 648 different active influenza virus sub-types this year, to date.

Anecdotally, where I am, approximately 4 out of every 6 persons swabbed for flu for URIs in the ER are coming back with positive results. (My patient pop. average age is markedly older than most of the county.) Just the other night, I admitted three different people over the age of 60 to the hospital, for flu which had debilitated the patients, who subsequently acquired pneumonia as well, the latter affliction being well capable of killing you deader than canned tuna untreated. Breathing underwater has that effect on people.

Flu symptoms are fever, sore throat, cough, body aches, fatigue, muscle aches, and possibly nausea/vomiting.

If you have a fever, you are infectious to others.
If you're treating a fever with Tylenol/ibuprofen/etc., you are infectious to others.
If either of those apply, keep your dumb ass at home, until you're over it. Period.
Anything else deserves a crotch kick.
(A co-worker was patient Zero at my ER, and another colleague gifted me with the crud for two weeks, followed by another four weeks of dreadfully lingering cough. This year's cold has a horrendous URI "tail" of hacking cough that just hangs on.)

Treatment
1) Stay the f*** home. Until it's ALL gone.
2) Get plenty of sleep and rest, but get up and move around, if only to use the bathroom, make a sandwich, pee, poop, or puke. Lying immobile increases your odds for bigger problems.
3) acetaminophen/ibuprofen for fever control and aches.
4) Water, water, water. Anything less than an hourly pee trip, and your pee isn't clear and mostly colorless, you're probably not drinking nearly enough water.
5) Soups, Gatorade, Jell-O, popsicles, etc. are also water.
6) And more water.
7) Caffeine and alcohol are diuretics, and dehydrate you more, and faster. Avoid both.
8) Take any number of "snivel" meds to mitigate symptoms, loosen congestion and mucus, suppress cough, etc.
9) If you find homeopathic voodoo meds that help, use them. They likely can't hurt.
10) Stay the f*** home. Until it's ALL gone.

This year's flu outbreak is in addition to normal viral illnesses (a "cold"), which are similarly rampant, especially from Thanksgiving to Easter, when intergenerational family members gather to share diseases and finger-bang everything they touch and cough on, for everyone from snot-monkey age to grandma and grandpa.

Prevention
1) Keep yourself and your little bastards home when they're sick.
2) Wash your hands.
3) Wash your hands before you eat, drink, or touch your face.
4) Wash your hands.
5) Wash your hands after you poop, pee, cough, or touch anything else in the entire world.
6) Wash your hands.
7) Cover your mouth when you cough.
8) Keep at home all your kids too young and stupid to learn to cover their mouths when they cough.
9) Carry personal disinfectant/sanitizer, and use it vigorously and frequently.
10) Understand that if I catch you or your kids out and about in public, coughing, sneezing, and dribbling your snot-mitts on everything, I may replace or augment my personal disinfectant with OC spray, and I will use it on you. If you can still identify me afterwards, and I'm still in the same area 30 minutes later when your vision clears up, I may express feigned/mock regret over my "mistake" in grabbing the wrong spritzer and using it on you.
11) Or, not.

I doubt I'm the only person who's likely to respond in that manner.

Learn a lesson or two, and live.

Addendum: Flu Shots
As a rule, flu shots work.
1) Suck it up, and get the shot if you're in a risk group (Older than 55/immunocompromised/health worker/EMS/fire dept./etc.)
2) You cannot get the flu from a flu shot; it's a killed form of the virus. If you did, you would be in the Guinness Book under impossible biology.
(But while your immune system is cooking up antibodies in response, you can still get a cold/URI. But that can happen anytime anyways, so qwitcherbitchin.)
3) That said, don't expect great things from it this year.

Say what?

Okay, every year, the Flu Poobahs look at last year's viral strains, and try to guess which way they're going to mutate next year, so Pharma Inc. can start cooking the next year's batch.

So they mix up a batch with multiple strains; this year's has:
Flu Strain A/(Michigan) (H1N1)
Flu Strain A/(Hong Kong) (H3N2)
Flu Strain B/(Brisbane)
Flu Strain B/(Phuket)

Some years, they nail it; a couple of years back, the vaccine was rated something like 98% effective against the prevailing strains.

But it's a crap shoot, and this year's shot is only rated around 19% effective, last I heard.

(If you have the latest MMWR report with better numbers, post a link in comments.)

And save the crank-bait about the shots being a scam. They get to pick three to four strains; there are 648 active strains out there right now. It's somewhere between a medical best guess and a lotto pick, every year. If you can do better, get a job at one of the drug companies, and tell us how your picks turn out.

You should still get the shot if you're at risk, but it isn't the magic bullet this year as in some prior years.

So if you aren't in a risk group, and under 55, save your $, and spend it on hand sanitizer and N95 masks.
And wash your hands!

Posted by Aesop at 8:15 AM
Labels: medical, PSA
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2018/01/this-flu-season-is-looking-bloody.html

Thursday, January 11, 2018
This flu season is looking bloody dangerous

Miss D. and I are both on the mend after about ten days of being pole-axed by the current flu virus. We both ended up with incipient bronchitis, despite doing our best to follow medical instructions and safeguard ourselves. It's been a very unpleasant experience, one neither of us would like to repeat anytime soon.

Unfortunately, we're far from alone in having been laid low. Local hospitals have been overwhelmed by patients streaming (literally and figuratively) to the ER with flu symptoms, so much so that they've appealed for people to go to their primary physicians first, rather than swamp all other emergency facilities. It's reported that 15% to 20% of those going to the ER with flu symptoms end up being admitted, filling all available beds to capacity, and leading to a backlog of patients waiting for the next bed to open up. Cases are up tenfold from this time in 2017, and deaths from flu and pneumonia in Texas are reportedly skyrocketing - 1,155 from October 1st, 2017 until January 3rd, 2018.

I hear that a big part of the problem is that many people simply can't afford to stay home when they feel flu symptoms coming on. Too many families have eaten up their financial reserves, and also are now in lower-paying jobs than they may have had before the economic crisis of 2007/08. They can't afford to be without income for a week or so while they get over the flu. It's the difference between being able to buy food for their children, or not. That means they're spreading the infection far and wide, which is bad enough; but it also means they're getting worse, rather than better, and ending up in the ER instead of being able to recover from a lesser infection at home.

I don't have an easy answer for that. It's all very well to say that food banks and other charities should take up the slack; but around here, such facilities are already short-staffed and under-supplied. How will they cope with a sudden, drastic increase in demand, when there's no corresponding increase in supply? Your guess is as good as mine - but my guess is, they won't be able to cope at all. Also, if sick people have to congregate at such places to get food, or volunteers have to deliver food to them, you've just got a brand-new vector for the spread of the disease.

Folks, please be careful. If you find you're getting even the initial symptoms of a cold or flu-like infection, please consult your doctor ASAP, and do everything you're told. Aesop has a very good list of precautions and prophylactic treatments we can all follow, if necessary. They're worth reading in full, and applying.

Peter


Posted by Peter at 1/11/2018 09:29:00 AM 16 comments: Links to this post Labels: Current Events, Danger, Dilemma, Health
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I was thinking of getting a flu shot tomorrow, but now I don't know. 648 strains out there and a 4-in-1 shot. Hmmm.

I need to read the other thread.

Thanks for the post!
 

Lee Penn

Senior Member
I strongly agree with the prior posts (1-3).

In particular, I agree that people (especially those over 55, or in a risk group) ought to get the flu shot.

Here's my personal experience without, and then with, the shot.

1953-1987, ages 0-34. Never got the flu shot, and caught every kind of flu that came through town, every year. (These attacks were flu, not colds: sudden onset, high fever, cough, body aches, severe fatigue, etc.)

1988-2018 (so far), ages 35-64. Got the flu shot every year (including the 2 shots in 2009 when swine flu came to town.) Some colds or bronchitis, but only 2 episodes of classic flu in 30 years. Those occurred when the vaccine was a poor match for the flu that came through. I started getting the shot because I was diagnosed with asthma in 1987-1988.

I never got the flu as a result of the shot. In the first few years that I got the shot, there may have been some minor soreness in the area where I got the shot, but nothing other than that. In recent years, there have been no side effects at all.

Before the yearly shot: 30+ episodes of flu in 34 years.
After the yearly shot: 2 episodes of flu in 30 years.

That's why I recommend the shot.

Lee
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
THIS:

If you have a fever, you are infectious to others.
If you're treating a fever with Tylenol/ibuprofen/etc., you are infectious to others.
If either of those apply, keep your dumb ass at home, until you're over it. Period.
Anything else deserves a crotch kick.
:sht:
 

Aly

Senior Member
DH and I both got the flu shot several months ago. DH, being 66, was given the supershot.

New Year's Day, DH woke up sick. Lasted two days, felt better on the third day. Also on the third day, I got sick. Lasted four days, felt better fifth day, ended up sick again and just got back to normal last couple of days.

We didn't go to the Dr...assume it was "stomach flu", mostly GI issues, along with sneezing and runny nose for me (no cough). No fever for me, slight fever (99.9) for DH.

Lost 6 lbs, but sure don't recommend that way!! LOL!
 

Conrad Nimikos

Who is Henry Bowman
...Never had the flu until the Air Force ordered me to get it in 1963. Had it twice a year even tho I never took it again. Also had pneumonia six or seven times in the next 30 years. I am 75 as of the 13th and will not get it again.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
When has the flu shot ever been 98% effective? The author lost me at that. This year its only 10%. Which means zero%.
 

Terrwyn

Veteran Member
I strongly agree with the prior posts (1-3).

In particular, I agree that people (especially those over 55, or in a risk group) ought to get the flu shot.

Here's my personal experience without, and then with, the shot.

1953-1987, ages 0-34. Never got the flu shot, and caught every kind of flu that came through town, every year. (These attacks were flu, not colds: sudden onset, high fever, cough, body aches, severe fatigue, etc.)

1988-2018 (so far), ages 35-64. Got the flu shot every year (including the 2 shots in 2009 when swine flu came to town.) Some colds or bronchitis, but only 2 episodes of classic flu in 30 years.


Those occurred when the vaccine was a poor match for the flu that came through. I started getting the shot because I was diagnosed with asthma in 1987-1988.

I never got the flu as a result of the shot. In the first few years that I got the shot, there may have been some minor soreness in the area where I got the shot, but nothing other than that. In recent years, there have been no side effects at all.

Before the yearly shot: 30+ episodes of flu in 34 years.
After the yearly shot: 2 episodes of flu in 30 years.

That's why I recommend the shot.

Lee

I also had a flu shot for over 30 years straight and mostly avoided the flu. However, 9 years ago it was evidently one shot too many because the day after I started experiencing extreme pain in my legs and could barely walk. Huge red spots broke out all over my arms and eventually the Dr's said I had Psoriatic Arthritus. They never would admit the flu shot made my body go nuts. You don't go from being an agile completely healthy 65 yr old to a cripple overnight without a reason. The flu shot was a reason. So be aware there are extreme risks associated with the vaccines and weigh them carefully before making your choice.
 

intowolves

Veteran Member
anyone getting the flu shot atleast ought to do a google on flu shots and shoulder injuries.
Unless something comes along that really knocks my immune system, I'll never take another.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
The flu swabs (rapid test) are only 30% effective. So 70% of them are not detected. The ER's in my state are overun. 5-10 hour wait times and beds have been full for the past two weeks. It's bad this year.
 

Be Well

may all be well
The flu swabs (rapid test) are only 30% effective. So 70% of them are not detected. The ER's in my state are overun. 5-10 hour wait times and beds have been full for the past two weeks. It's bad this year.

Good info. I was wondering yesterday how effective flu tests are. I assume there is another more accurate but expensive and time consuming test.
 

Suzieq

Veteran Member
Our family has been sick and still getting over it! I don't think it was the flu, but it was a respiratory/sinus infection.

My husband, daughter, her boy friend, my daughter's father-in-law, my granddaughter and myself, got sick from a Christmas Party, we attended on Dec. 23rd.

A neighbor across the street (from my daughter's house), brought her sick daughter over to our daughter's Christmas party. The little girl cough most of the evening. The neighbor kept saying, her daughter had been sick and just had a lingering cough.

Four to five days after the party, six of us who were there got sick. Most of us were sick in the bed for 5-6 days with a respiratory/sinus infection, with severe coughing. Eighteen days later all of us are feeling much better, but still coughing up stuff from our lungs. Each day we cough a little less, than the day before. I'm not sure how long it's going to take to completely get over it. I guess it take time, to wear this stuff out of our bodies!

I was suppose to get a stress test, when I was sick and had to cancel. Now I'm afraid to reschedule it, due to so many other people out there, being sick with something difference than what we had. My immune system is down right now and I have to be careful.
 

dogmanan

Inactive
Yep me to.
With having cancer and my treatments I'm very careful where I go and what I do, I know my immune system is way down and I don't want to take any chances at all on getting sick with any thing.
 

Echo38

Contributing Member
Don't get flu shot don't get the flu have had it maybe twice in 65 years. Everyone in family who does get the shot most because they have to for work get flu more than once a year. Afraid no one is going to convince me getting it is good idea with the results I see with my own eyes.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
...Never had the flu until the Air Force ordered me to get it in 1963. Had it twice a year even tho I never took it again. Also had pneumonia six or seven times in the next 30 years. I am 75 as of the 13th and will not get it again.

Same here except it was the Army and 1973. How do I know it was the shot? Took the shot in the mid AM by supper that same day, I was laid up, puking, severe body ache, and fever, and didn't even want to think about getting out of bed.

And won't take another.

Had the flu again when I went to the ER with a broke foot.

However that doesn't mean I want to be stupid on purpose, so any of the preventive stuff that is recommended, I do.
 

Windy Ridge

Veteran Member
In my younger days I caught the flu quite a few times. The last time was early in 1974. I don't think a flu vaccination would do anything my immune system isn't already doing.

Windy Ridge
 

JF&P

Deceased
It baffles me that anyone who is a regular here at TB2K would do the flu shot thing.

All I can do is shake my head.
 

John Deere Girl

Veteran Member
Our son and I have both had the flu recently. It's not something to be taken lightly. Within a day of getting sick, it was in the lungs. Without antibiotics things would have been bad.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/he...edness-health-H3N2-virus/stories/201801150103


FAIR USE

CDC switches its Grand Rounds discussion from nuke attack to influenza outbreak

David Templeton
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
dtempleton@post-gazette.com
Jan 15, 2018 1:32 PM






In a late decision, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has switched the topic of its Public Health Grand Round 1 to 2 p.m. Tuesday from nuclear-attack preparedness to “Public Health Response to a Sharp Increase in Severe Seasonal Influenza.”
Because of the last minute change, registration will not be necessary to tune into the CDC Grand Rounds Live Web Stream. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette published a story Sunday about preparedness to a nuclear detonation based on CDC’s decision to address the topic in the Grand Round presentation.
“The topic for CDC’s Public Health Grand Rounds on [Tuesday] will now focus on influenza,” the CDC states. “With the spike in flu cases around the country, this Grand Rounds will provide key and timely information for public health professionals on how to reduce the spread of seasonal flu in communities and adjust to spot shortages in antiviral drugs because of high influenza activity.”
It says the influenza season “is notable for the sheer volume of flu that most of the United States is seeing at the same time, which can stress health systems. The vast majority of this activity has been caused by influenza A (H3N2), associated with severe illness in young children and people 65 and older.”

Mike Stobbe
Has the flu season, in full swing, reached its height?
Allegheny County, for example, has witnessed a huge spike in cases in the final weeks of 2017 with the largest spike last week. As of Jan. 11, there have been 2,260 confirmed cases, 260 hospitalizations and three deaths reported to the health department, with updates each Tuesday. The actual number of flu cases typically is notably higher than confirmed cases.
Key to the problem is that this season’s flu vaccine does not fully respond, if at all, to a variant form of the H3N2 virus, the major strain of flu virus to date.
The public health topic on nuclear preparedness will be rescheduled for a future Grand Rounds, the CDC said.
 

sardog

Contributing Member
Flu shots are at best 10% effective against the flu. We know a couple that works in a hospital where all workers are required to get a flu shot. About 80-90% of them have now been out sick with the flu. We do not and never have gotten a flu shot and get it a whole lot less often or severe than those who do.
 

DHR43

Since 2001
It baffles me that anyone who is a regular here at TB2K would do the flu shot thing.

All I can do is shake my head.

Yep. And every year the hysteria around here begins. EVERY YEAR.

And now for a sanity check.

Mind control and “the flu virus”

by Jon Rappoport

January 16, 2018

Yesterday, I exposed the fact that most “flu” is not the flu.

For example, here is a quite suggestive quote from Peter Doshi’s report, “Are US flu death figures more PR than science?” (BMJ 2005; 331:1412):

“[According to CDC statistics], ‘influenza and pneumonia’ took 62,034 lives in 2001—61,777 of which were attributable to pneumonia and 257 to flu, and in only 18 cases was the flu virus positively identified.”

OOPS.

Today, I want to look at the mind control aspect of this insanity.

If someone says, “You have the flu,” he means you have one thing and other people who have the flu have the same thing.

It is caused by a virus, and everyone who has the flu has that virus.

If you say, “No, the so-called flu could be caused by many different things,” people might appear to agree with you, but they’re still thinking, “The flu is one thing.”

They won’t let go. That’s called mind control.

Person A has a cough, fatigue, headache, and fever. Why? A combination of stress, exposure to cold weather, and contaminated indoor air.

Person B also has cough, fatigue, headache and fever. Why? A combination of junk food, nutritional deficits, and a toxic pain reliever.

Do persons A and B have the same thing?

No, they don’t. If they did, the causes would be the same. And they aren’t.

Now take 10,000 people who have the above list of symptoms. But none of them has the flu virus. Do any of them have the flu? No. Do they all have the same thing? No, because the combination of causes and the precise nature of each cause are not the same from person to person.

If 10,000 people have the flu virus, do they all have the flu? No. People with strong immune systems don’t get sick. People with weak immune systems do get sick. The determining factor is the condition of the immune system, not the presence of the virus. Therefore, the tight equation, “flu virus equals flu,” is false.

Understanding all these factors rearranges the thought process vis-à-vis “the flu.”

“Flu outbreak across America” is a generality. It doesn’t hold together. Once you take it apart, you see something different.

You’re no longer in a state of hypnosis about “the virus.”

“Yes, but all these people getting sick…showing up at hospitals…they must all have the same thing…”

No. They might have similar symptoms, but that doesn’t mean “they have the same thing.”

If you want one factor, which combined with other immune-suppressing factors, might be at work, why not start with the freezing weather across America? That could be a clue. But it’s far from the whole story.

Person C has cough, fatigue, headache, and fever. In his case, it’s caused by a combination of freezing weather, five toxic medicines on his night table at the nursing home, and a forced change of diet that increases the load of empty calories.

Person D has cough, fatigue, headache, and fever. In her case, it’s caused by grief over the loss of a loved one, a bad reaction to the flu vaccine, and a power outage that cut off heat in her home for two days.

And so forth, on and on.

Casually blaming “the virus” is a response dictated by the stimulus of news and government propaganda about “the flu.”

And the propaganda ignores the most important factor: the condition of a person’s own immune system. THAT is a non-medical situation; and increasing the power of one’s own immune response requires something the medical system refuses to recognize—all the actions a person could take under the general banner of “natural health.”

From which the medical system makes zero money.

This is called a clue.

“Let’s see. We can tell people that when they get sick with ‘flu symptoms,’ they have the flu, and it’s all about the virus. Then we can sell flu vaccines and drugs like crazy. OR we can tell them these so-called flu symptoms come from different combinations of causes, which in many cases are environmental and should be identified—and most importantly, we can tell them they need to strengthen their immune systems through ‘natural’ methods—and then we make no money and go out of business and end up pumping gas in Death Valley. Hmm. Which choice do we make? Let’s take a vote…”

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2018/01/16/mind-control-and-the-flu-virus/
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
Good info. I was wondering yesterday how effective flu tests are. I assume there is another more accurate but expensive and time consuming test.

Yes. They send the all off to a lab to be rechecked. Takes a few days. By that time your better or worse.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Person A has a cough, fatigue, headache, and fever. Why? A combination of stress, exposure to cold weather, and contaminated indoor air.

Person B also has cough, fatigue, headache and fever. Why? A combination of junk food, nutritional deficits, and a toxic pain reliever.

Do persons A and B have the same thing?

No, they don’t. If they did, the causes would be the same. And they aren’t.

Now take 10,000 people who have the above list of symptoms. But none of them has the flu virus. Do any of them have the flu? No. Do they all have the same thing? No, because the combination of causes and the precise nature of each cause are not the same from person to person.

GOOD GRIEF!! I don't know of very many people who will run a fever of 103° from "A combination of junk food, nutritional deficits, and a toxic pain reliever"

And it would be VERY unusual for that combination to cause someone to be ill enough to go to the hospital ER (assuming, of course, they aren't a "attention junkie" who heads to the ER for a hangnail when they're bored).

Influenza is a VERY serious disease. It's symptoms are unmistakable (although you certainly could get similar symptoms if you catch pneumonia or viral bronchitis NOT caused by a specific influenza virus)

Those of us who caught that fun H1N1 back in 2009 still remember just how sick we felt... hubby will still comment to this day about how long it took him to get back to normal stamina (which for him is the equivalent of a 30 something athlete) YOU DON'T WORK THROUGH INFLUENZA... the only times I can ever remember hubby taking time off from milking cows and doing his regular chores for illness where he didn't have an actual broken bone was when he was down with flu. Granted, he'd take 48 hours off and then work with a 103° fever and hacking up a lung as he moved between cows, but the fact remains that even the strongest, most determined people generally are knocked flat down by a flu virus for which they don't have antibodies.

Influenza often causes viral pneumonia. This is the reason the hospitals are overwhelmed... the sickest people need oxygen, and sometimes a ventilator for a few days.

You don't recover from influenza in 2-3 days. No matter how sick you were, unless you used elderberry or resveratrol or something like Tamiflu, you're going to be acutely ill for at least 5-7 days, and weaker than a kitten for another week. The cough often hangs on for a month or more while your lungs heal.

Yes, it does drive me crazy when people say "I had the flu", when they were vomiting and/or had diarrhea for a day or two. They had a viral stomach bug, or food poisoning, but not influenza. We're sloppy with language in this country, and we say "flu" rather than "virus" too often.

I absolutely agree that poor lifestyle choices, as well as living in overheated, dry homes and then going out into the damp cold will cause people to catch all sorts of minor viruses (interestingly, the "old wives tale" that "getting chilled and wet will cause you to catch cold" has now been proven to be TRUE!!), but if you lived alone in a hut in the woods and ate junk food and took aspirin daily, you still aren't going to catch a virus. Now, if you live alone for 10 years, and then move into civilization again, you're likely to get sick with every single cold, influenza and other virus- minor and major- for a couple of years, until your immune system catches up and develops antibodies.

And absolutely, if you are in top physical condition and maintain an excellent nutritional profile, your body will likely fight off many viruses (including influenza, although the propensity some influenza viruses have to use your strong immune system against you in a cytokine storm is a problem) and either never feel symptoms at all, or only get a mild case of sniffles and maybe a low grade fever for a day or two.

I don't do flu vaccine, either. If I had damaged lungs, or other chronic health issues that would make it likely that I could end up in the hospital or dead from a bad case of flu, I might reconsider it.... but not if the vaccine is only 10% effective this year. I always balance "risk and reward"... and the one year I got the swine flu vaccine back in 1976, I was sicker than a dog for a full week from a vaccine reaction, as was hubby (our doctor really pushed the vaccine that year, and we were young and uninformed). I got educated rather quickly after that!

Many of the symptoms we suffer when we have the flu are actually caused by our body's immune system trying to fight it off, and producing antibodies. So, while getting vaccinated won't give you the flu (advanced tests wouldn't show any live virus in your bloodstream), the stimulation of your immune system to produce antibodies may very well produce symptoms including fever, muscle aches, etc. The difference is, *you aren't contagious*, and you won't (generally) suffer any lasting damage to various systems from the vaccine reaction, whereas a dangerous case of influenza may cause problems for you for years.

As we get older, although we're very healthy in general, the potential dangers of catching influenza become greater. Fortunately, we're usually in a position to self-isolate in that case (although hubby is working as a school bus driver, which means at this point we're exposed to EVERYTHING!). If a dangerous flu epidemic started, we'd rethink the importance of his job. At the least, he'd start wearing a mask and gloves while away from the farm.

When I was a kid, I caught every nasty virus around, I swear. I remember being in bed with shaking chills, a racking cough (it ALWAYS went into bacterial bronchitis as a secondary infection) and feeling like my bones were broken, at least 2-3 times every winter. My school attendance record in winter was abysmal. My immune system is much beter now, but I think I also still retain antibodies from those days. I rarely get even a common cold (and if I do get symptoms, taking zinc as soon as I feel the first scratchy throat and sniffles usually stops it in its tracks). And H1N1 a few years back was the first and only time in 40 years that I've had influenza.

Summerthyme
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
A neighbor across the street (from my daughter's house), brought her sick daughter over to our daughter's Christmas party. The little girl cough most of the evening. The neighbor kept saying, her daughter had been sick and just had a lingering cough.

THIS is what totally PISSES ME OFF!! Someone knows They're sick or one of their kids is sick and yet still go out and infect other people! WTFO!?!?:sht:

Was in a store the other day and this gal had her sick kid with her hacking and coughing all over the place on the next aisle over. One of those deep wet croaky coughs!! I dropped what I was about to buy and walked out of the place. Nothing there I needed that bad.

We keep wipes and hand cleaner in both vehicles. I always wipe down the shopping cart BEFORE I use it and actually avoid going out in public during the flu season as much as possible. Actually as I think about it, the older I get, the less I want to be around all the mouth breathers out there.

Good LORD People....what the hell happened to simple good manners?!?!? :kk1: People cough and sneeze without covering their mouths. Public bathrooms....UGH!! How about a little hand washing after relieving yourself....geeeezzzzzzzz!:gaah:

I'm almost to the point of wearing a respirator and gloves when I'm out in public and then decontaminating myself before I get home it's really getting that bad. I'm not a germ-o-phobic, but I've actually cultured door handles and public drinking fountains and such not to mention operating rooms when I was a Navy Corpsman. If you saw what I saw grow out on the petri dishes you'd gag!
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Flu shots are at best 10% effective against the flu. We know a couple that works in a hospital where all workers are required to get a flu shot. About 80-90% of them have now been out sick with the flu. We do not and never have gotten a flu shot and get it a whole lot less often or severe than those who do.

For WHICH YEAR was this true???

Because it changes every year, because the actual viri used for the vax change, and the viri in the wild change. It's ALWAYS a moving target, and pigs are hands down THE BEST recombinant virus lab on the planet. I knew a couple recombinant virus guys who often said that they wished their 15 mil lab was HALF as effective as a dozen pigs.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I’m on ipad and can’t see any map referred to in OP so I went to the link and found it to post:
 

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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I'm almost to the point of wearing a respirator and gloves when I'm out in public and then decontaminating myself before I get home it's really getting that bad. I'm not a germ-o-phobic, but I've actually cultured door handles and public drinking fountains and such not to mention operating rooms when I was a Navy Corpsman. If you saw what I saw grow out on the petri dishes you'd gag!

AESOP has some absolutely GREAT ideas under prevention ... #9 and 10...(and 11:prfl::prfl:)
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Spoke with a "staff member" acquaintance of mine over at the counter of my favorite diner down the street from Valley Med (Santa Clara County Hospital, ER/Level 1 Trauma Center) while having dinner tonight.

She told me that they're understaffed in a big way due to the flu hitting everyone working at the hospital (and they all HAD to get the shot).
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Have been trying to gather up as much info as I can on this particularly strong flu season. Apparently there are right now approximately 648 various strains of flu virus currently in circulation.....:shkr: yes you read that right.....648!

The one that is causing all the current problems is the H3N2 variant. From some readings this morning part of the reason for the flu shot failure this season is that it's difficult to grow this particular virus in chicken eggs, the usual media used for creating the flu vaccine. There are also two other strains a Type B and a Type A of H1 that are also coming on strong during this flu season. So we may actually be looking at a one - two - three knock out punch against our immune systems.

I'm hearing locally that people are getting sick with this stuff. Fighting through it and then think they are recovered for about two to three weeks then it comes back and hits them a second time!

Right now the best strategy is to AVOID GETTING INFECTED in the first place, if at all possible.


  1. Wash hands, wash hands, wash hands, wash hands, wash hands and then don't forget to wash your hands!!
  2. Keep your hands AWAY FROM your face!
  3. N95 mask when ever out in public. May seem stupid, but if more people got in the habit of doing it we could seriously impact the spread of this crud! Wear your mask to avoid infection and wear a mask if you are infected.
  4. Cover your damn mouth and nose when you sneeze or cough!
  5. Avoid people and public places if at all possible.
  6. Build up your immune systems ability to fight off infections: Sambucol, Vit. C, Golden Seal, etc., etc., etc.
  7. Water, water, water, water.....stay hydrated.
There needs to be a two prong attack against this crud. Avoid getting sick in the first place and avoid infecting anyone else if you are sick. It should be common courtesy and simply good manners practiced by EVERYONE.
 

Hermantribe

Veteran Member
A friend of my son's, 18 years old, and a healthy athlete, just passed from this. It infected his lungs and he got to the hospital "too late". Devastating. I'm wondering if it was a cytokine storm like the flu outbreak in 1918.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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A friend of my son's, 18 years old, and a healthy athlete, just passed from this. It infected his lungs and he got to the hospital "too late". Devastating. I'm wondering if it was a cytokine storm like the flu outbreak in 1918.

Oh, how horrible! Cytokine storm is absolutely possible, but so is a previously unknown heart or other health issue. It seems that the ages between 16 and 20 show up a lot of unknown heart issues when young people get really physically stressed, either from working out or serious illnesses. Prayers for his family and your son
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
For links see article source.....
Posted for fair use.....
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/18/new-study-shows-flu-may-be-spread-just-by-breathing/

Flu may be spread just by breathing, new study says

By TRACY SEIPEL | tseipel@bayareanewsgroup.com | Bay Area News Group
PUBLISHED: January 18, 2018 at 10:24 am | UPDATED: January 18, 2018 at 6:15 pm
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Until now, most people thought you caught the flu after being exposed to droplets from an infected person’s coughs or sneezes, or by touching contaminated surfaces.

But a study released Thursday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences reveals that we may pass the flu to others just by breathing.

The study — which included researchers who are now working at San Jose State University and UC Berkeley — offers new evidence on the importance of the flu’s airborne qualities and how it can easily be transmitted to others. Researchers found large quantities of infectious viruses in the breath exhaled by those suffering from the flu.

“The study findings suggest that keeping surfaces clean, washing our hands all the time, and avoiding people who are coughing does not provide complete protection from getting the flu,” Sheryl Ehrman, who is now dean of the College of Engineering at San Jose State University, said in a statement. “Staying home and out of public spaces could make a difference in the spread of the influenza virus.”

Ehrman said the study was launched at the University of Maryland during the flu season of December 2012 through March 2013. Researchers including Jovan Pantelic, who now works at UC Berkeley, recruited 178 volunteers, mostly students, who had shown flu symptoms within three days of the flu’s onset.

Over those four months, researchers captured and characterized the flu virus in 142 of the volunteers with confirmed cases of the flu while they breathed naturally, talked, coughed or sneezed.

The researchers then assessed the severity of naturally occurring flu aerosols — tiny droplets that stay suspended in the air for a long time.

The study’s participants provided 218 swabs from their nasopharynx, the upper part of the throat that lies just behind the nose. They also provided 218 samples — over a period of 30 minutes — of exhaled breath, spontaneous coughing, and sneezing on the first, second, and third days after the onset of flu symptoms.

The analysis of the infectious virus recovered from these samples showed that a significant number of flu patients routinely shed an infectious virus into tiny aerosol particles that can be transmitted through the air.

Surprisingly, the study suggested that coughing or sneezing was not necessary to be infectious.

“We found that flu cases contaminated the air around them with infectious virus just by breathing, without coughing or sneezing,” Dr. Donald Milton, professor of environmental health in the University of Maryland School of Public Health, said in a statement.

“People with flu generate infectious aerosols even when they are not coughing, and especially during the first days of illness,” he said. “So when someone is coming down with influenza, they should go home and not remain in the workplace and infect others.”

The researchers believe that their findings could be used to improve mathematical models about the risk of airborne flu transmission from people with flu symptoms, and may help control and reduce the impact of influenza epidemics and pandemics.

Improvements also could be made to ventilation systems to reduce transmission risk in offices, school classrooms and subway cars, for example, the study said.

For now, the researchers — and public health experts — say everyone should heed the advice to stay home, if possible, when they’re starting to come down with the flu to prevent the virus from spreading.

And while getting a flu vaccine isn’t a guarantee that you won’t get the flu, experts say it provides some protection and helps reduce the chances that you’ll get seriously ill from the flu.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
BTW- This is an AVIAN/SWINE Flu MIX and it is apparently if and when it develops sepsis that it becomes life (or limb amputation) threatening.
I had to spend 3 days last week, practically all day for appts, tests and 4+ hr waits twice for medication (6 prescriptions all written wrong the first time) so, I am waiting out the "incubation period to see if I caught anything while there.

I think even if I do get it, I am a bit protected taking CURCUMIN (one to two 500 mg tablets a day) from it getting to an autoimmune cytokine cascade bad stage. I also got a flu shot last month. My daughter and her whole family have been quite sick for weeks with flu.
 
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