CORONA FLCCC says Delta variant is ruthless, more virulent, patients deteriorating more quickly

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
As another Floridian, I must say that anecdotally there are more vaxx'd individuals getting ill than the unvaxx'd that I know. Again that is anecdotally. I have two adult children that work in hospitals ... one in acute care, one in a different hospital's lab ... that are attesting to similar issues anecdotally.

And, that the delta variant, while more communicable does not currently appear to be as deadly.

I know several people from my mega-church that were vaxx'd and they caught covid19 anyway. Some of them caught it from other vaxx'd individuals. Anecdotally most of the vaxx'd that are infected are doing worse than their unvaxx'd counterparts. I suspect it is because they have comorbidities.

As of 7/30/21 there were over 126,000 documented breakthrough cases here in the US and over 4,000 of them died. Nearly two weeks later the number of breakthrough cases have probably risen exponentially. but I'm not sure whether the deaths have and whether the deaths are from the original covid19 or a different variant or from complications from comorbidities.

Until we get truthful numbers I doubt anyone is going to be able to say with any honesty and surety that the covid19 jabs are effective or efficacious which are two different things.

Kathy
I am hearing very similar firsthand reports.

unfortunately ^^^THIS^^^ is quite unlikely to happen. when you have one side that is in complete control of the narrative, where opposing views are not only ignored but willfully silenced DESPITE what the SCIENCE clearly says you know we are in serious trouble. this is the election of 2020 all over again. the MEDIA is in control of the information and the sheep - EVEN THOSE WHO CAN SEE IT - are willfully complying.

if we do not soon wake from this stupor we will NOT survive the onslaught
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
received word from my daughter that EX was transported to hospital earlier this evening - currently on IV steroids. my PERSONAL experience with this "vaccine" has ranged from completely awful to downright disastrous. this is a woman who, according to my daughter, recently caved to the peer pressure to become "one of the vaxxed". wether that was friends or family is unknown. however that she was healthy and well PRIOR to the stick is absolute FACT.

simply dutifully reporting my personal experience(s).
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
You can’t argue with first hand experience before it can be erased by government and media. Hopefully she makes it.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"Herd Immunity Is Not A Possibility": Dr. Malone Vindicated After Oxford Prof Warns Over New Variants
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In one of the most appalling examples of Big Tech silencing scientists who refuse to withhold their criticisms of the mRNA technology behind the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccines, Dr. Robert Malone, a pioneer who helped develop mRNA vaccine technology, saw the credit for his contribution to medicine effectively erased from the Internet by Wikipedia after he raised concerns about potential long-term autoimmune issues and other complications potentially arising from mRNA jabs.
He has also shared other medical heresies, including the possibility that 'imperfect' vaccines might actually help foster more virulent COVID variants due to a phenomenon called 'ADE' - antibody-dependent enhancement. Essentially, what doesn't kill the virus makes it stronger. In retaliation for sharing these views, Dr. Malone was ridiculed by colleagues as a conspiracist and an "anti-vaxxer".

Dr. Malone
But earlier this week, Dr. Malone saw his views subtly vindicated by an unexpected source: a British scientist and academic named Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, who is the director of the Oxford Vaccine Group. During a briefing, Sir Pollard warned Parliament that the UK likely won't ever achieve herd immunity, thanks to the delta variant.
In remarks that risked undermining the government's vaccination campaign, Sir Pollard, a professor of pediatric infection and immunity, warned Parliament on Tuesday that achieving herd immunity is likely "not a possibility" thanks to variants like delta. Recently, a group of scientists estimated that the threshold for herd immunity might now be as high as 90% due to the delta variant. According to Pollard, we're learning for the first time that herd immunity is magical thinking - and has always been magical thinking.
Since those who are vaccinated can still be infected by variants, "there is virtually nothing the UK can do" to eradicate COVID completely.
"We know very clearly with coronavirus that this current variant, the Delta variant, will still infect people who have been vaccinated, and that does mean that anyone who's still unvaccinated, at some point, will meet the virus," Pollard said.
He said it was unlikely that herd immunity will ever be reached, saying the next variant of the novel coronavirus will be "perhaps even better at transmitting in vaccinated populations."
Pollard also shared what sounded like a subtle criticism of masks by saying that "We don't have anything which will stop that transmission to other people." As an example, he pointed to Israel, which saw new cases and hospitalizations nearly disappear before the new variant took hold, causing cases and hospitalizations to surge once again. Now, there have even been a handful of patients who have tested positive even after receiving their third dose of the Pfizer jab (which the US has only just approved for a third dose as well).
Dr. Malone, meanwhile, celebrated Sir Pollard's comments as vindication.

For context, Dr. Malone tweeted back in June that herd immunity targets were effectively useless.
Even the White House is finally acknowledging that vaccines aren't nearly as effective as they once believed, which is why the FDA has decided to approve the third dose. "I think everybody believes this wanes over time, the question is to what extent,” a senior Biden official told Axios. "Nobody wants to be behind the eight-ball here. We want to catch it before there’s an issue, and that’s why there is very intense scrutiny."
Remember, not only can the vaccinated be sickened by "breakthrough" infections, but they can also pass the virus on to others (including others who are vaccinated). And the more the virus spreads, the more likely a vaccine-resistant variant is to emerge.

"Herd Immunity Is Not A Possibility": Dr. Malone Vindicated After Oxford Prof Warns Over New Variants | ZeroHedge
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
"Herd Immunity Is Not A Possibility": Dr. Malone Vindicated After Oxford Prof Warns Over New Variants
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In one of the most appalling examples of Big Tech silencing scientists who refuse to withhold their criticisms of the mRNA technology behind the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccines, Dr. Robert Malone, a pioneer who helped develop mRNA vaccine technology, saw the credit for his contribution to medicine effectively erased from the Internet by Wikipedia after he raised concerns about potential long-term autoimmune issues and other complications potentially arising from mRNA jabs.
He has also shared other medical heresies, including the possibility that 'imperfect' vaccines might actually help foster more virulent COVID variants due to a phenomenon called 'ADE' - antibody-dependent enhancement. Essentially, what doesn't kill the virus makes it stronger. In retaliation for sharing these views, Dr. Malone was ridiculed by colleagues as a conspiracist and an "anti-vaxxer".

Dr. Malone
But earlier this week, Dr. Malone saw his views subtly vindicated by an unexpected source: a British scientist and academic named Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, who is the director of the Oxford Vaccine Group. During a briefing, Sir Pollard warned Parliament that the UK likely won't ever achieve herd immunity, thanks to the delta variant.
In remarks that risked undermining the government's vaccination campaign, Sir Pollard, a professor of pediatric infection and immunity, warned Parliament on Tuesday that achieving herd immunity is likely "not a possibility" thanks to variants like delta. Recently, a group of scientists estimated that the threshold for herd immunity might now be as high as 90% due to the delta variant. According to Pollard, we're learning for the first time that herd immunity is magical thinking - and has always been magical thinking.
Since those who are vaccinated can still be infected by variants, "there is virtually nothing the UK can do" to eradicate COVID completely.

He said it was unlikely that herd immunity will ever be reached, saying the next variant of the novel coronavirus will be "perhaps even better at transmitting in vaccinated populations."
Pollard also shared what sounded like a subtle criticism of masks by saying that "We don't have anything which will stop that transmission to other people." As an example, he pointed to Israel, which saw new cases and hospitalizations nearly disappear before the new variant took hold, causing cases and hospitalizations to surge once again. Now, there have even been a handful of patients who have tested positive even after receiving their third dose of the Pfizer jab (which the US has only just approved for a third dose as well).
Dr. Malone, meanwhile, celebrated Sir Pollard's comments as vindication.

For context, Dr. Malone tweeted back in June that herd immunity targets were effectively useless.
Even the White House is finally acknowledging that vaccines aren't nearly as effective as they once believed, which is why the FDA has decided to approve the third dose. "I think everybody believes this wanes over time, the question is to what extent,” a senior Biden official told Axios. "Nobody wants to be behind the eight-ball here. We want to catch it before there’s an issue, and that’s why there is very intense scrutiny."
Remember, not only can the vaccinated be sickened by "breakthrough" infections, but they can also pass the virus on to others (including others who are vaccinated). And the more the virus spreads, the more likely a vaccine-resistant variant is to emerge.

"Herd Immunity Is Not A Possibility": Dr. Malone Vindicated After Oxford Prof Warns Over New Variants | ZeroHedge
I just wanted to point out that when he said herd immunity is not a possibility, he was talking about this in the context of the vaccine helping us reach herd immunity. Remember at the beginning they wanted everyone to take the vaccine so that we could reach herd immunity (vaccine = you won't get infected) but now they have had to admit that the vaccine only keeps you out of the hospital, not from getting sick and infecting others, thus vaccines do not help us get to herd immunity.

However, the way I see it, if Delta is contagious like chicken pox (reports say this) then it will burn through the population fast and the population will then have some immunity. I am not an expert in this area so I don't know if that means immunity to Delta only or how/if that will play out with future variants. I tend to believe that recovering from any covid strain would have to help you in some way if you encountered another strain in future, but I'm not sure.

If the vaccines work like they now say they do (vaccine = less severe illness, yes I know there are conflicting reports, some say vaccine = more severe illness) then perhaps the best thing to do is let the vax'd go out and throw caution to the wind and get infected (since they are less likely to get really ill, allegedly) and let the unvax'd isolate for a few weeks. Then perhaps we would have some sort of herd immunity, since the vax'd will have mostly become infected and now have true immunity.

Of course, the magic question (besides what are the long term effects of the jab) is do the vax'd get long lasting immunity from infection like the unvaxxed.

ETA: The above would not work in areas with low rates of vaccination.
 
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summerthyme

Administrator
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I just wanted to point out that when he said herd immunity is not a possibility, he was talking about this in the context of the vaccine helping us reach herd immunity. Remember at the beginning they wanted everyone to take the vaccine so that we could reach herd immunity (vaccine = you won't get infected) but now they have had to admit that the vaccine only keeps you out of the hospital, not from getting sick and infecting others, thus vaccines do not help us get to herd immunity.

However, the way I see it, if Delta is contagious like chicken pox (reports say this) then it will burn through the population fast and the population will then have some immunity. I am not an expert in this area so I don't know if that means immunity to Delta only or how/if that will play out with future variants. I tend to believe that recovering from any covid strain would have to help you in some way if you encountered another strain in future, but I'm not sure.

If the vaccines work like they now say they do (vaccine = less severe illness, yes I know there are conflicting reports, some say vaccine = more severe illness) then perhaps the best thing to do is let the vax'd go out and throw caution to the wind and get infected (since they are less likely to get really ill, allegedly) and let the unvax'd isolate for a few weeks. Then perhaps we would have some sort of herd immunity, since the vax'd will have mostly become infected and now have true immunity.

Of course, the magic question (besides what are the long term affects of the jab) is do the vax'c get long lasting immunity from infection like the unvaxxed.

ETA: The above would not work in areas with low rates of vaccination.
You are correct, but they CHANGED THE DEFINITION of "herd immunity" to include *only those* with antibodies from the vax!

Summerthyme
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
something that we all need to acknowledge regarding this crud. most all of us have exceedingly strong opinions and differing viewpoints about it. recognize that those individual viewpoints are directly tied to our individual PERSONAL EXPERIENCES with the disease.

case in point - seems we have several critical care RN's here. these folks are going to see and care for the very worst. folks who work in acute care/ED - similar - but these will also see people go home more frequently and more quickly . . . certainly not quite the same emotional load to carry as those in critical care nursing. these people are going to have strong feelings and they are entitled to them becasue they are continually seeing the absolute worst.

others of us have experienced the absolute worst from the vaccine. several here have either lost loved ones TO the jab - OR seen their friends and family suffer greatly as a result OF the jab. then there are still others here who've personally HAD the COVID in various levels of severity. most - tho not all - have fully recovered. similar to those above, these are ALSO entitled to their feelings and opinions - all of which are based on that beast we call PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

I know - there's nothing new in any of that. BUT - its useful to take a deep breath and remember that individual realities are deeply rooted in individual personal experience - the vast majority of which will also carry a HUGE emotional load along with them.

add to that a MEDIA that's not only beating this to death but controlling the narrative as well. we DO NOT KNOW what's real and what's imagined. we should really be respectful of those here who can share their experiences - both sides. beyond the obvious fact that we're being controlled and manipulated - YET AGAIN - there are NO absolutes in any of this.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
something that we all need to acknowledge regarding this crud. most all of us have exceedingly strong opinions and differing viewpoints about it. recognize that those individual viewpoints are directly tied to our individual PERSONAL EXPERIENCES with the disease.

case in point - seems we have several critical care RN's here. these folks are going to see and care for the very worst. folks who work in acute care/ED - similar - but these will also see people go home more frequently and more quickly . . . certainly not quite the same emotional load to carry as those in critical care nursing. these people are going to have strong feelings and they are entitled to them becasue they are continually seeing the absolute worst.

others of us have experienced the absolute worst from the vaccine. several here have either lost loved ones TO the jab - OR seen their friends and family suffer greatly as a result OF the jab. then there are still others here who've personally HAD the COVID in various levels of severity. most - tho not all - have fully recovered. similar to those above, these are ALSO entitled to their feelings and opinions - all of which are based on that beast we call PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

I know - there's nothing new in any of that. BUT - its useful to take a deep breath and remember that individual realities are deeply rooted in individual personal experience - the vast majority of which will also carry a HUGE emotional load along with them.

add to that a MEDIA that's not only beating this to death but controlling the narrative as well. we DO NOT KNOW what's real and what's imagined. we should really be respectful of those here who can share their experiences - both sides. beyond the obvious fact that we're being controlled and manipulated - YET AGAIN - there are NO absolutes in any of this.

Like in many things people trend to the extremes. I tend to take the middle road. Has covid been hyped? Absolutely! Are ‘they’ using it as a control mechanism to scare people and cause them to knuckle under socialist/communist control? Another absolute yes.

Is Covid a engineered biological that was accidentally or intentionally released? I believe that to be so. Is it part of a binary biological weapon system with the worse to come? I also believe that to be yes. To throw caution to the wind could very well be fatal whether you take a ‘vaccine’ thinking you are safe or OTOH thinking it’s all made up. Real people have died terrible deaths even younger and those with no co-morbidities.

For me, I discern the hype and control issues but I also take it seriously and keep my immune system strong and continually educate myself as to the current threat and don’t take unnecessary risks like attending events with indoor crowds or even outdoor for that matter, ect. Balance in all things wins the day.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
well stated Hfc - and yet "balance" seems to be one of those things that is increasingly difficult to find - not to mention maintain - in this day and age.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
but now they have had to admit that the vaccine only keeps you out of the hospital,
Appreciate the comments, but that above is wrong. Getting vaxxed won't keep you out of the hospital, but it might keep you out of ICU. Numerous reports from all over the world about the number of vaxxed in hospitals, not to mention the vaxxed in Mass. in the hospital.

Like in many things people trend to the extremes. I tend to take the middle road. Has covid been hyped? Absolutely! Are ‘they’ using it as a control mechanism to scare people and cause them to knuckle under socialist/communist control? Another absolute yes.

Is Covid a engineered biological that was accidentally or intentionally released? I believe that to be so. Is it part of a binary biological weapon system with the worse to come? I also believe that to be yes. To throw caution to the wind could very well be fatal whether you take a ‘vaccine’ thinking you are safe or OTOH thinking it’s all made up. Real people have died terrible deaths even younger and those with no co-morbidities.

For me, I discern the hype and control issues but I also take it seriously and keep my immune system strong and continually educate myself as to the current threat and don’t take unnecessary risks like attending events with indoor crowds or even outdoor for that matter, ect. Balance in all things wins the day.
Very well said, and agree whole heartedly.

(Have you been reading my mail?LOL)
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
Appreciate the comments, but that above is wrong. Getting vaxxed won't keep you out of the hospital, but it might keep you out of ICU.
I agree. I was merely pointing out how they've changed their story and I probably could have worded that better.
 

Zoner

Veteran Member
Like in many things people trend to the extremes. I tend to take the middle road. Has covid been hyped? Absolutely! Are ‘they’ using it as a control mechanism to scare people and cause them to knuckle under socialist/communist control? Another absolute yes.

Is Covid a engineered biological that was accidentally or intentionally released? I believe that to be so. Is it part of a binary biological weapon system with the worse to come? I also believe that to be yes. To throw caution to the wind could very well be fatal whether you take a ‘vaccine’ thinking you are safe or OTOH thinking it’s all made up. Real people have died terrible deaths even younger and those with no co-morbidities.

For me, I discern the hype and control issues but I also take it seriously and keep my immune system strong and continually educate myself as to the current threat and don’t take unnecessary risks like attending events with indoor crowds or even outdoor for that matter, ect. Balance in all things wins the day.
COVID is treatable in a way that you won’t end up in a hospital or die. Dr. McCullough, probably the greatest expert on treatment protocol, has made this very clear. Vaccines are unnecessary besides being unsafe and ineffective for many when early treatment is 99.9% effective.
 

blindhog

Flats Captain
In my AO 3 vaxxed have died in the hospital in the last 2 weeks. I have heard many stories of adverse reactions to the jab. But the local Hospital is posting on FB that there are ZERO adverse reactions, and they capitalize zero.

Also want to add a tidbit. A local Funeral Home Director told me that when they embalm a covid fatality the blood is very clotty, very unusual he sadi.
 
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Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In my AO 3 vaxxed have died in the hospital in the last 2 weeks. I have heard many stories of adverse reactions to the jab. But the local Hospital is posting on FB that there are ZERO adverse reactions, and they capitalize zero.

Also want to add a tidbit. A local Funeral Home Director told me that when they embalm a covid fatality the blood is very clotty, very unusual he sadi.

If the data can be captured that the Hospital is flat out lying about "ZERO" adverse reactions, they need to be held accountable.

And You should get the Funeral Director on tape and spread it far and wide.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
well, they didn't kill enough with the original crap, so of course they are going after more. Sad.

God is good all the time

Judy
 

blindhog

Flats Captain
If the data can be captured that the Hospital is flat out lying about "ZERO" adverse reactions, they need to be held accountable.

And You should get the Funeral Director on tape and spread it far and wide.

We are hoping the ones that had the adverse reactions will speak up, it's on a FB local town page.
I think I'm not the only one that has been told that by the FD.
The local Coroner told me this year they have had a lot of "no cause" deaths, young ones in the 30's. Didn't know the vax status, but this has been since the big vax push.
We are all not getting the jab.
 
From what I'm watching the variant mostly hits the young men, burns quickly thru that population strata in a few weeks despite vaccinations and then cases plumet. It has crashed in the UK, the Netherlands and India. Not many hospitalizations. With that track record the same thing may happen in the US?
Didn't Delta cause a lot of havoc over in India? Wondering if that is about to happen here.
India is a train wreck, so hard to know about anything coming out of there. I know of 6 vaccidented people who have caught Delta and 2 are in the hospital. I know of no one who is unvaccinated coming down with it currently and neither does one of my business managers in another county. So things are weird for sure.
 

etdeb

Veteran Member
Look and listen to katedalleyradio.com How her fight of the system and protocol helped her husband come home from ICU in 3.5 days after he presented at the hospital with regular
pneumonia that once walking through the hospital door became Covid Pneumonia.

Sorry I don't know how to share this but its worth your time and joining Rumble to watch it.
Her show is : Our First Hand ICU Story-What is ACTUALLY Killing People in the Hospital is the Protocol
 
Sorry I don't know how to share this but its worth your time and joining Rumble to watch it.
Her show is : Our First Hand ICU Story-What is ACTUALLY Killing People in the Hospital is the Protocol.
One does not need to JOIN Rumble, in order to listen to their podcasts.


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1911user

Veteran Member
FLCCC has updated the I-MASK protocol as of yesterday. The new version is attached. It looks like the changes are to the Early Treatment sections. The Nitazoxanide they added, and say is hard to find in the US, is available at alldaychemist; $27 for 90 pills 500mg. It's a newer, bad water/food antibiotic similar to metronidazole (trade name Flagyl).

direct link: I-MASK+ Protocol | FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance
 

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parsonswife

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FLCCC has updated the I-MASK protocol as of yesterday. The new version is attached. It looks like the changes are to the Early Treatment sections. The Nitazoxanide they added, and say is hard to find in the US, is available at alldaychemist; $27 for 90 pills 500mg. It's a newer, bad water/food antibiotic similar to metronidazole (trade name Flagyl).
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