MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
Hey, look everybody! It's another pro-communist/pro-Democrat/pro-evil sock puppet. Time to put it on Ignore til the mods get around to banning it.
CORONA FLCCC says Delta variant is ruthless, more virulent, patients deteriorating more quickly
- Thread starter Krayola
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I forgot to add thanks to Krayola for the post. Seems I have contracted MRSA again (last was 9 years ago) but this time I am allowed to take the intraveinous AB as an outpatient. So I go to the hospital twice a day, get hooked up and sit for an hour plus each time. First day there, the RN administering the meds, asked if I had been vaccinated and I told her no, was there a problem? She said no, she and the other nurses had been vaccinated (by mandate), said she would place me as far away from other patients as possible in case someone had a case.
But damn, I hate these 7am & 4pm appointments... Be glad when friday comes.
But damn, I hate these 7am & 4pm appointments... Be glad when friday comes.
Zoner
Veteran Member
This woman stood against hospital protocols that the doctors follow like the Bible.
she believes it is the protocols that are killing people when they get to the hospital.
She talked about how high doses of vitamin C and vitamin D and zinc helped her husband to leave the hospital in three days as she refused to permit them to put him on a ventilator.
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she believes it is the protocols that are killing people when they get to the hospital.
She talked about how high doses of vitamin C and vitamin D and zinc helped her husband to leave the hospital in three days as she refused to permit them to put him on a ventilator.
Our First Hand ICU Story - What is ACTUALLY Killing People In The Hospital
My husband WALKED out of the ICU in just 3 1/2 days. Fastest ICU patient in history of Cov. What we did. What to tell others. It's not "blovid"- the protocol is what is killing people in the ICU. Here
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rob0126
Veteran Member
Then why did she start the tremors right after she received the shot?
And why is a daily dosage of ivermectin keeping her symptoms away, and not just the opposite?
I agree! Prevention is always the best option. I suspect there was a a psychological issue with her. I've seen it when a patient believes they are infected with worms, believe they feel or see them beneath the skin. They would go and see someone who would prescribe ivermectin suspecting pinworms without doing stool studies? If she was scratching her hands they may have suspected scabies (hence the permethrin). She certainly overdosed.
Ivermectin is a safe drug when taken properly. I think the jury is still out with regards to Covid but others disagree. I posted because though it is safe, chronic dosing of higher levels can cause problems be it accidental or, in her case, likely secondary to mental health issues.
Likely psychosomatic. See above.
It's highly doubtful many people are using Ivermectin after getting the jab (at least until fairly recently) and most of the numbers of people showing these side effects starting happening way prior to Ivermectin even being much known about other than a possibility to use for the virus itself.
Have you tried a stool softener for that mental constipation. I think you are full.
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
Pentel Pen is back, it looks like. Evidence: its operator had the same fascination with feces.
Not to mention that hydrochloroquine is the main anti-malarial drug around the world. so it's also widely available in Africa. When working in Africa, we had a prescription which we had to take once weekly for prevention.
bbbuddy
DEPLORABLE ME
I see what you did there.. You took the woman in the video and the woman from the study from somewhere in the mid 2000s and put them together and your official diagnosis is the woman's symptoms in the video are psychosomatic.. in other words she's crazy. Don't listen to her. And don't listen to the actual Doctors over at FLCCC. Their protocols have saved hundreds if not thousands of lives
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Says the man asking about homosex in other threads. Project much?
What was the FLCCC take on the woman in the video who had multiple prescriptions for ivermectin and permethrin? Must have missed it. You keep confusing diagnosis with opinion...there is no rational reason why she was doing multiple long term high doses of those meds--and the article was to show that chronic medication at (or below) the doses she was taking can produce those symptoms.
I am Confusing nothing ..She was taking Ivermectin only in the video again you're confusing a study that was done at the latest in the mid-2000s with a woman that directly after taking the vaccine started with tremors and is now taking ivermectin to relieve those symptoms.She is NOT taking permethrin unless you have some information not in the video.
Two conversations...one with Green Co about the article where the person did take permethrin and longer term ivermectin. The other the woman with apparent neurological impairment. Common thread is that both were taking ivermectin with similar symptoms. Ivermectin has no clinical application to neurological disorders--she was obviously taking it on her own accord. Its not unreasonable to believe she was taking it previously or to at least suspect it.
rob0126
Veteran Member
of course, blame the person and not the vaccine.
How much does big pharma pay you to push their poison?
bw
Fringe Ranger
Wouldn't this be a great thread without stuff like that?
This is crazy you quote a conversation that no one is privy to and then you're trying to say that a medical poster from 2014 is relevant now..
How was it obvious that she was taking it on her own accord how do you know that she was taking Ivermectin previously? I'll answer that for you ..You don't It's your personal opinion and not diagnosis.
Jaw1969 and MinnesotaSmith are off this thread. Knock off the ad hominem attacks and discuss the *subject*.
Summerthyme
Summerthyme
Hence why I said "You keep confusing diagnosis with opinion "
Edit: Sorry in my part for the tit-for-tat. I'll knock it off too.
rob0126
Veteran Member
Im not trying to derail the thread. Im just questioning what rondaben's motives are on this thread.
If its the truth then Im all for it.
But blaming the victim for everything big pharma pushes on people is not productive in this thread.
Im siding with common sense here.
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lostinaz
Senior Member
This woman stood against hospital protocols that the doctors follow like the Bible.
she believes it is the protocols that are killing people when they get to the hospital.
She talked about how high doses of vitamin C and vitamin D and zinc helped her husband to leave the hospital in three days as she refused to permit them to put him on a ventilator.
Our First Hand ICU Story - What is ACTUALLY Killing People In The Hospital
My husband WALKED out of the ICU in just 3 1/2 days. Fastest ICU patient in history of Cov. What we did. What to tell others. It's not "blovid"- the protocol is what is killing people in the ICU. Here
That's Kate Dalley! She's a local talk show host here in Southern UT. She reposts her show on Soundcloud, and spends a lot of time talking about just these sort of topics. View: https://soundcloud.com/katedalleyradio
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
I have an earlier thread regarding COVID and my family in Central Florida (here should you care to read more specifics): CORONA - COVID hits my family in central fl
I'm sharing this as an "update" as I feel its relevant to many here and to this thread in particular.
spoke with my daughter this AM. recall that the previously UN vaxxed EX bowed to peer pressure and took the Moderna jab on or about 7.28. then came in close proximity to others in the family ALL of which were double vaxxed - the EXCEPTION being my daughter and two oldest grand kids.
both the Ex and the EX BIL are still extremely sick - severely so - can't speak or get out of bed degree of sick. the EX SIL, who works for a family physician, was given 50K of D3 IM the monday AM following her early development of SX and never really got a full blown case - is now well on the way to recovery. the others in this group - 2 of SIL's 3 daughters and their spouses - ALL of which were double vaxxed - are still sick but appear to be entering early recovery phase. however these are NOT progressing at anything like the SIL who got the D3 by IM route.
here's the kicker . . .
my daughter and grand kids - ALL UN vaxxed - and who were symptomatic for well over 72 hrs - possibly for as long as 96 hrs - took 1% IVERMECTIN orally in accordance with the 1cc/110lbs body weight advocated by FLCCC protocolas at the time - specifically 1 dose each for 3 consecutive days.
IMPORTANT TO NOTE - she HAD the 1% solution on hand but was reluctant to take it UNTIL she had a positive test result which happened that Monday late afternoon and the same day the EX SIL got her D3 injection. they started the IVM orally at 7:30PM that Monday evening
remember that I am NOT doubting/debating this as a REAL medical issue for many people. I lost my Mother to it in October of 20 and my Father to the VAXX after he recovered from the crud and took the jab 2 months later. he was dead 36 hrs after being "vaccinated". I am simply speaking against the obviously improprieties which should be QUITE apparent to any thinking being.
Dan Stock MD addressing the Mt Vernon IN school board (6'30")
if you haven't seen this - you really should take the time (6'30") to hear TRUTH and SCIENCE spoken loudly
I'm sharing this as an "update" as I feel its relevant to many here and to this thread in particular.
spoke with my daughter this AM. recall that the previously UN vaxxed EX bowed to peer pressure and took the Moderna jab on or about 7.28. then came in close proximity to others in the family ALL of which were double vaxxed - the EXCEPTION being my daughter and two oldest grand kids.
both the Ex and the EX BIL are still extremely sick - severely so - can't speak or get out of bed degree of sick. the EX SIL, who works for a family physician, was given 50K of D3 IM the monday AM following her early development of SX and never really got a full blown case - is now well on the way to recovery. the others in this group - 2 of SIL's 3 daughters and their spouses - ALL of which were double vaxxed - are still sick but appear to be entering early recovery phase. however these are NOT progressing at anything like the SIL who got the D3 by IM route.
here's the kicker . . .
my daughter and grand kids - ALL UN vaxxed - and who were symptomatic for well over 72 hrs - possibly for as long as 96 hrs - took 1% IVERMECTIN orally in accordance with the 1cc/110lbs body weight advocated by FLCCC protocolas at the time - specifically 1 dose each for 3 consecutive days.
IMPORTANT TO NOTE - she HAD the 1% solution on hand but was reluctant to take it UNTIL she had a positive test result which happened that Monday late afternoon and the same day the EX SIL got her D3 injection. they started the IVM orally at 7:30PM that Monday evening
THEIR SYMPTOMS WERE 100 % RESOLVED as of the morning of THURSDAY which would have been the beginning of DAY 4
some things to note:
- the "EX's" did not heed daughters suggestion to take D3, ZINC and mega doses of Vit C
- I firmly believe that had the grand kids and daughter begun the 1% solution as soon as sx became significant enough as to warrant the earliest concern they would have fared much better.
remember that I am NOT doubting/debating this as a REAL medical issue for many people. I lost my Mother to it in October of 20 and my Father to the VAXX after he recovered from the crud and took the jab 2 months later. he was dead 36 hrs after being "vaccinated". I am simply speaking against the obviously improprieties which should be QUITE apparent to any thinking being.
Dan Stock MD addressing the Mt Vernon IN school board (6'30")
if you haven't seen this - you really should take the time (6'30") to hear TRUTH and SCIENCE spoken loudly
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Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
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We had a family wedding July 30th... it had been postponed due to COVID last year, so they were determined to have it. No masks...I'm guessing based on the known political makeup, probably 80% or more were vaxxed.
I stayed home due to my bad spine, but hubby, DS and DDIL and the 3 little girls all went.
All 3 girls showed symptoms of some bug 6 days after the wedding. Sleeping for hours, clogged nose and sinuses, low grade fever. DS broke with symptoms Monday, and by yesterday, he was *sick*. Fever of 101.3 (his normal is 96.0!) a terrible headache nothing touched, and chest congestion I could hear across the room. I took him ivermectin last night at 9 pm.
I jogged down to their house this morning, and was surprised to see him up, feeding the kids breakfast. He said he's still sick, but the fever broke about 3 hours after he took the ivermectin, and he woke up without the headache for the first time in 3 days. I have no idea if this is COVID, influenza or some random cold virus. But I've never seen any of them spontaneously recover within 72 hours of first symptoms.
Oh, and hubby took ivermectin before he left for the wedding-weve been taking it biweekly, but this dose was a few days early. He felt it was worth it, although he should have immunity from his previous case(s).
Summerthyme
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Like everything else it's prudent to consider risk/reward when it comes to these vaccines. I see risk everywhere while I hear the promise that if you are vaxxed it will reduce your symptoms and you won't get so sick. That might be accurate if antibody dependent enhancement didn't figure into the mix.
Barry Natchitoches
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thank you. This topic is stressful enough, without disrespectful bickering.
Now more than ever, we NEED the information and the educated opinions of all the rest of the folk. Or at least, I do.
We do not always have to agree, but we can disagree respectfully.
Let the rest of the world condemn and censure.
Aren’t we, here at TB2k, bigger than that?
I have said my piece. Sorry for the thread diversion, and now, Back to the topic at hand.
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That is one of the issues that I and many others have with the video from Dr. Stock. There is no indication of ADE with the vaccines and COVID. The rationale is pretty clear as to why.
With ADE you see inhanced uptake of the virus in immune cells. This would mean that you should see WORSE cases in those who have prior antibody production-either from natural immunity or from vaccine. Those with reinfection or breakthrough would be sicker, faster, and have worse outcomes than baseline unexposed/unvaccinated patients. We don't see that. We do see just the opposite. Antibodies from the vaccine that target the spike protein are protective--that is, they prevent viral spike protein from causing damage to the endothelium in the alveoli. You may have higher tissue viral load but less overall severe disease and death. THAT is what we are seeing.
pauldingbabe
The Great Cat
Hfcomms
EN66iq
My problem [and I know it isn't only me] is that you can source experts today to tell you what you want to hear and they will be 180 degrees out from other experts advocating the opposite. In a situation like that you have to employ common sense.
I don't believe there has ever been a successful vaccine for a corona virus [correct me if I'm wrong].
The vaccines were all rushed into production with little testing [therefore the EUA] yet hundreds of billions to be made and no producer liability with the first vaccines on market will make a windfall.
The vaccines have many adverse events being reported and far less than that has pulled other vaccines off the market before.
And this for a disease that 99% of the population will survive even without intervention.
And last but not least neither the government or big Pharma has earned my trust. If they lie to you once and they have they will keep on doing it.
Everyone is different of course but for me lots of risk vs little reward.
YMMV
1. Depends on what your definition of successful is. Never get it ever again...no. And that won't likely ever be possible because of how quickly mutations happen. Lessening severity and mortality, this vaccine fits that bill pretty well.
2. Thats not completely accurate. The same technology used for the vaccine has been around for a long time and used in other applications. For a purely mRNA only vaccine this is the first one. I agree with questions about indemnification of the manufacturers.
3. The VAERS system is flawed. I don't know that it is much different than anecdotal reporting. The vaccine rate of adverse events is certainly non-zero, but I have a hard time believing that there are thousands and thousands of deaths attributable to it just like the skeptic side has believing that all of the reported covid deaths were related to COVID and not underlying comorbidities and such. The information sucks--and thats bad for all of us because there is plenty of agendas on both sides that try to weaponize misinformation to further gains.
4. Coronovirus is much bigger than just the overall mortality rate. There is a member here on the forum that just got home after a 10 month ordeal with it. I have patients that have had it for close to that long. Tracheostomy, PEG feeding tubes, dialysis, long hauler syndrome--the morbidity is QUITE significant and much of it is permanent.
5. Dont disagree a bit about Pharma or the Government.
Everyone has to weight the risks. I'm against mandatory vaccination--you should have a choice. I'm also against manipulation by those skeptics who knowingly misinform people and cause people to not know the truth-usually to make a buck on both sides of the issue.
1911user
Veteran Member
The updated FLCCC protocol has been posted today. They increased the ivermectin dosage/frequency!
I've attached it.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/
I've attached it.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/
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Cyclonemom
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Rondaben, can you define the "we" in your final sentence? Your clinic? Hospital? Medical group? General area? Other?
I'm trying to make sense of all the information.
Rondaben, can you define the "we" in your final sentence? Your clinic? Hospital? Medical group? General area? Other?
I'm trying to make sense of all the information.
As another Floridian, I must say that anecdotally there are more vaxx'd individuals getting ill than the unvaxx'd that I know. Again that is anecdotally. I have two adult children that work in hospitals ... one in acute care, one in a different hospital's lab ... that are attesting to similar issues anecdotally.
And, that the delta variant, while more communicable does not currently appear to be as deadly.
I know several people from my mega-church that were vaxx'd and they caught covid19 anyway. Some of them caught it from other vaxx'd individuals. Anecdotally most of the vaxx'd that are infected are doing worse than their unvaxx'd counterparts. I suspect it is because they have comorbidities.
As of 7/30/21 there were over 126,000 documented breakthrough cases here in the US and over 4,000 of them died. Nearly two weeks later the number of breakthrough cases have probably risen exponentially. but I'm not sure whether the deaths have and whether the deaths are from the original covid19 or a different variant or from complications from comorbidities.
Until we get truthful numbers I doubt anyone is going to be able to say with any honesty and surety that the covid19 jabs are effective or efficacious which are two different things.
Rondaben, can you define the "we" in your final sentence? Your clinic? Hospital? Medical group? General area? Other?
I'm trying to make sense of all the information.
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Sure...locally we have around 200k people in our general service area. We are seeing just under 17% positive test rate. 112 new positives today. 40 icu beds, 4 unoccupied last night (I was off today, wife got a new knee). Of the covid positives 88.17% not fully vaccinated. Of icu patients 94.44% not fully vaxxed. As of yesterday 329 unused icu beds in Texas.
Research shows this as well. I. An article cited by Dr Malone:
The conclusion? " This conclusion suggests that vaccination-generated antibody and/or exogenous antibody against S protein not only protects the host from SARS-CoV-2 infectivity but also inhibits S protein-imposed endothelial injury."
Makes sense with the local data. With no protection you would expect a breakthrough rate comparable with vacc rate. With ADE you would expect more vaccinated than unvacced in both hospitalized and icu populations.