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If this is a hoax, we'd know about it by now.
Cruz resorts to Shaming
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Haybails
When In Doubt, Throttle Out!
Yeah ... Hmmm, surprisingly silent thus far.
HB
HB
I'm anxious to see how TB2K's resident Cruz cheerleader spins this one.Actually, I expect him to avoid this thread completely.
Laurane
Canadian Loonie
In Canada, we don't care who votes and who doesn't and would definitely NOT get something like this in the mail.......
Have you seen the cost of postage in Canada as well??
We had lists of who supported one Party or another, but we still didn't know if they voted that same way in the Elections.
People lie......LOL
Have you seen the cost of postage in Canada as well??
We had lists of who supported one Party or another, but we still didn't know if they voted that same way in the Elections.
People lie......LOL
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Gone fishin.
No room for gloating on anyone's part though. The answer is not to be found in a human being whether Trump or Cruz. They all have alterior motives and we have dug far too deep of a hole to expect any man to get us out of it. At this point it simply doesn't matter anymore. The USS Titanc is going down and the person holding the wheel won't change that factoid.
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Hfcomms
EN66iq
Iowa Official Criticizes Cruz Campaign Over Mailer
HAMLIN, Iowa — Iowa’s secretary of state chastised the presidential campaign of Senator Ted Cruz on Saturday for sending a mailer that he said violated “the spirit of the Iowa caucuses” and misrepresented state election law.
The mailer, flagged by a handful of Twitter users and confirmed as authentic by the Cruz campaign, included a warning of a “voting violation” in capital letters at the top of the page.
It informed voters they were receiving a notice “because of low expected voter turnout in your area.”
“Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors’ are public record,” the flier read. “Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday’s caucuses.”
Below the text was a list of names, letter grades and percentage scores.
The secretary of state, Paul D. Pate, called the effort “misleading.”
“Accusing citizens of Iowa of a ‘voting violation’ based on Iowa caucus participation, or lack thereof, is false representation of an official act,” Mr. Pate said. “There is no such thing as an election violation related to frequency of voting. Any insinuation or statement to the contrary is wrong and I believe it is not in keeping in the spirit of the Iowa caucuses.”
Mr. Pate added that his office never “grades” voters, nor does it maintain records of caucus participation. He said that the office also did not “distribute” voter records, but they were available “for purchase for political purposes only, under Iowa Code.”
The Cruz campaign confirmed the mailers had originated from the campaign and said there was nothing inappropriate about the materials.
“These mailers are common practice to increase voter turnout,” said Matt Schultz, the campaign’s Iowa state chairman and a former Iowa secretary of state. “Our mailer was modeled after the very successful 2014 mailers that the Republican Party of Iowa distributed to motivate Republican voters to vote, and which helped elect numerous Republican candidates during that cycle.”
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...fficial-criticizes-cruz-campaign-over-mailer/
I'd say that pretty much confirms it, eh?? Sourced from Drudge main page
HAMLIN, Iowa — Iowa’s secretary of state chastised the presidential campaign of Senator Ted Cruz on Saturday for sending a mailer that he said violated “the spirit of the Iowa caucuses” and misrepresented state election law.
The mailer, flagged by a handful of Twitter users and confirmed as authentic by the Cruz campaign, included a warning of a “voting violation” in capital letters at the top of the page.
It informed voters they were receiving a notice “because of low expected voter turnout in your area.”
“Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors’ are public record,” the flier read. “Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday’s caucuses.”
Below the text was a list of names, letter grades and percentage scores.
The secretary of state, Paul D. Pate, called the effort “misleading.”
“Accusing citizens of Iowa of a ‘voting violation’ based on Iowa caucus participation, or lack thereof, is false representation of an official act,” Mr. Pate said. “There is no such thing as an election violation related to frequency of voting. Any insinuation or statement to the contrary is wrong and I believe it is not in keeping in the spirit of the Iowa caucuses.”
Mr. Pate added that his office never “grades” voters, nor does it maintain records of caucus participation. He said that the office also did not “distribute” voter records, but they were available “for purchase for political purposes only, under Iowa Code.”
The Cruz campaign confirmed the mailers had originated from the campaign and said there was nothing inappropriate about the materials.
“These mailers are common practice to increase voter turnout,” said Matt Schultz, the campaign’s Iowa state chairman and a former Iowa secretary of state. “Our mailer was modeled after the very successful 2014 mailers that the Republican Party of Iowa distributed to motivate Republican voters to vote, and which helped elect numerous Republican candidates during that cycle.”
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...fficial-criticizes-cruz-campaign-over-mailer/
I'd say that pretty much confirms it, eh?? Sourced from Drudge main page
Thunderbird
Veteran Member
This is supposed to be a brilliant guy???
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
True, voting information is public BUT Iowans in general are pissed off that this was sent out. It's a in your face shaming tactic that is patently rude and well Iowans WILL kick his a$$ to the curb for being rude, just like Minnesotans would!!! We're Midwesterners, you know the place were we apologize in advance for kicking your a$$!!!
flame
Senior Member
^^^this ^^^
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
http://journal.ijreview.com/2016/01...ed-cruz/?_ga=1.27866684.1039493435.1450793485
He Said He Was An Undecided Iowan Until He Received This Controversial Mailer From Ted Cruz
Sarah Rumpf
As Iowans prepare to head to the caucuses on Monday for the nation’s first votes in the presidential primaries, the campaigns are pulling out all the stops. The mailer sent out by one Republican campaign, however, might end up backfiring.
Tom Hinkeldey, a resident of Alta, Iowa, tweeted a photo (which was later deleted because it included his personal address) on Friday evening of a mailer Sen. Ted Cruz’s campaign sent addressed to his wife, Steffany. The mailer was a large card printed to look like a manila envelope on one side and was labeled in all capital letters, “ELECTION ALERT,” “VOTER VIOLATION,” “PUBLIC RECORD,” and “FURTHER ACTION NEEDED.”
On the other side, the mailer said in red letters at the top, “VOTING VIOLATION.” The text then reads:
You are receiving this election notice because of low expected voter turnout in your area. Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors’ are public record. Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday’s caucuses.
The mailer then listed his and Steffany’s name, along with five of their neighbors.
@rumpfshaker those are legitimately my next door neighbors
— Tom Hinkeldey (@TomAhink) January 30, 2016
Hinkeldy was annoyed by the mailer, and tweeted “Hey @tedcruz your brilliant public shaming campaign has inspired me to caucus on Monday…For @marcorubio.” He confirmed that he had been leaning towards Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and hadn’t yet completely made up his mind, but the mailer “took me over the edge finally.”
Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler confirmed to IJ Review that the mailer was theirs in a phone call Friday evening, saying that the targeting had been “very narrow, but the caucuses are important and we want people who haven’t voted before to vote.”
Another Iowan, Braddock Massey, tweeted a photo of his copy of the mailer:
@RBPundit pic.twitter.com/FBjxaipH9p
— Braddock Massey (@Braddock_Massey) January 30, 2016
A review of Iowa voter files was able to confirm all but one of the names on Massey’s mailer as registered voters on that street.
The reaction on Twitter was swift, and largely negative. Many viewed the mailer as a privacy violation. As the mailer notes, the information on it was pulled from public records, and that is legal, but printing the names and voter records like that, along with the implication that the neighbors are seeing the same information, is unsettling to some. The Iowa Supervisor of Elections does not actually assign voter grades like this mailer implies.
“These kind of mailers are fraught with risk,” said Republican media strategist Rick Wilson, who has done some work for a Rubio Super PAC. “They do work, but the social pressure stuff has got to be subtle. This, on the other hand, is like a sledgehammer.”
Similar mailers were sent out during the 2012 race to encourage people to vote for Barack Obama, and were also met with condemnation.
MoveOn did similar voter-shaming mailers in 2012. I knew it seemed familiar. @drawandstrike @redsteeze @rumpfshaker pic.twitter.com/8ifIvm0dLL
— D. Hawkins (@HawkinsUSA) January 30, 2016
Whether Cruz’s mailer will be effective in turning out Iowa caucus voters — for him or for another candidate! — remains to be seen. Massey was already a Rubio supporter and Hinkeldey was leaning that way. We’ll know for sure on Monday.
He Said He Was An Undecided Iowan Until He Received This Controversial Mailer From Ted Cruz
Sarah Rumpf
As Iowans prepare to head to the caucuses on Monday for the nation’s first votes in the presidential primaries, the campaigns are pulling out all the stops. The mailer sent out by one Republican campaign, however, might end up backfiring.
Tom Hinkeldey, a resident of Alta, Iowa, tweeted a photo (which was later deleted because it included his personal address) on Friday evening of a mailer Sen. Ted Cruz’s campaign sent addressed to his wife, Steffany. The mailer was a large card printed to look like a manila envelope on one side and was labeled in all capital letters, “ELECTION ALERT,” “VOTER VIOLATION,” “PUBLIC RECORD,” and “FURTHER ACTION NEEDED.”
On the other side, the mailer said in red letters at the top, “VOTING VIOLATION.” The text then reads:
You are receiving this election notice because of low expected voter turnout in your area. Your individual voting history as well as your neighbors’ are public record. Their scores are published below, and many of them will see your score as well. CAUCUS ON MONDAY TO IMPROVE YOUR SCORE and please encourage your neighbors to caucus as well. A follow-up notice may be issued following Monday’s caucuses.
The mailer then listed his and Steffany’s name, along with five of their neighbors.
@rumpfshaker those are legitimately my next door neighbors
— Tom Hinkeldey (@TomAhink) January 30, 2016
Hinkeldy was annoyed by the mailer, and tweeted “Hey @tedcruz your brilliant public shaming campaign has inspired me to caucus on Monday…For @marcorubio.” He confirmed that he had been leaning towards Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and hadn’t yet completely made up his mind, but the mailer “took me over the edge finally.”
Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler confirmed to IJ Review that the mailer was theirs in a phone call Friday evening, saying that the targeting had been “very narrow, but the caucuses are important and we want people who haven’t voted before to vote.”
Another Iowan, Braddock Massey, tweeted a photo of his copy of the mailer:
@RBPundit pic.twitter.com/FBjxaipH9p
— Braddock Massey (@Braddock_Massey) January 30, 2016
A review of Iowa voter files was able to confirm all but one of the names on Massey’s mailer as registered voters on that street.
The reaction on Twitter was swift, and largely negative. Many viewed the mailer as a privacy violation. As the mailer notes, the information on it was pulled from public records, and that is legal, but printing the names and voter records like that, along with the implication that the neighbors are seeing the same information, is unsettling to some. The Iowa Supervisor of Elections does not actually assign voter grades like this mailer implies.
“These kind of mailers are fraught with risk,” said Republican media strategist Rick Wilson, who has done some work for a Rubio Super PAC. “They do work, but the social pressure stuff has got to be subtle. This, on the other hand, is like a sledgehammer.”
Similar mailers were sent out during the 2012 race to encourage people to vote for Barack Obama, and were also met with condemnation.
MoveOn did similar voter-shaming mailers in 2012. I knew it seemed familiar. @drawandstrike @redsteeze @rumpfshaker pic.twitter.com/8ifIvm0dLL
— D. Hawkins (@HawkinsUSA) January 30, 2016
Whether Cruz’s mailer will be effective in turning out Iowa caucus voters — for him or for another candidate! — remains to be seen. Massey was already a Rubio supporter and Hinkeldey was leaning that way. We’ll know for sure on Monday.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I'm not defending Cruz. I don't like him for other reasons, but I haven't seen or heard anyone talk about these letters in the real world, and I think something like this would be all over downtown. Then again, maybe I wasn't eavesdropping at the right time.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
It was a blip on the local news, and I mean a blip probably less than five seconds.
homecanner1
Veteran Member
In my homestate, you had to declare your ballots in the primary and my grandmother was an absolute stickler for keeping her voting record private. She had a personal policy of never voting in the state primaries to keep her ballot decisions secret. When League of Women Voters inevitably doorstepped her to hound her to get to the local precinct voting booth, offering her senior transport rides, she told them to go pound sand. Determined not to be forced to choose between either party ballot to the exposure of the local precinct judges, prior to the national election in November. She voted Reagan both times and in retrospect I understand now why keeping her voting record secret in our county was a huge safety concern for an old widow. The Cruz camp are complete jackasses to do this.
Works that way in Central Florida, Orlando area. Last two elections I received a letter from some Republican group with mine and my neighbors voting record.
It is public info, but mailing it out to everyone in the neighborhood just pisses a lot of people off.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
It made it to Drudge last night finally. It's on the upper left hand corner of the main page now.
Heliobas Disciple
TB Fanatic
I'm in FL and I recall getting a similar notice in the last few years. I didn't pay attention because it was for a 'minor' election, and I think just my voting record was on there, not my neighbors. It was a while ago and my memory is sketchy. I remember being annoyed at the invasion of privacy, and a little pissed because they gave me a bad grade and I vote every year which made me think it was some BS political junk mail and I threw it out. I really don't remember. I just remember there was a bad grade next to my name and how often they said I voted, which was wrong. (ETA: I think I remember now who it came from.. congressional iirc)
Point being, it's done elsewhere - although it was just my record IIRC. (If it did have others records I didn't pay attention, because a) I'm not a gossip and I could care less if my neighbors vote and b) since mine was wrong the whole thing would've been suspect.) Definitely still obnoxious. When I got it and Cruz doing it now.
And for sure they sell those lists. I get called all day long during election cycles because I do vote regularly, which the campaign people know when they ask for me by name, not a cold call.
HD
Point being, it's done elsewhere - although it was just my record IIRC. (If it did have others records I didn't pay attention, because a) I'm not a gossip and I could care less if my neighbors vote and b) since mine was wrong the whole thing would've been suspect.) Definitely still obnoxious. When I got it and Cruz doing it now.
And for sure they sell those lists. I get called all day long during election cycles because I do vote regularly, which the campaign people know when they ask for me by name, not a cold call.
HD
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
Interesting tweet from Iowa for Trump…..
Enjoy this leaked transcript! Vote Trump
– Cruz voters furious with him
– Cruz scared of Trump support in Florida pic.twitter.com/brL3r2t0Mn
— IOWA for TRUMP (@LandmanMarius) January 31, 2016
Click through on the link below to better read and see the transcript:
https://twitter.com/LandmanMarius/status/693651961824956416/photo/1
Enjoy this leaked transcript! Vote Trump
– Cruz voters furious with him
– Cruz scared of Trump support in Florida pic.twitter.com/brL3r2t0Mn
— IOWA for TRUMP (@LandmanMarius) January 31, 2016
Click through on the link below to better read and see the transcript:
https://twitter.com/LandmanMarius/status/693651961824956416/photo/1
straightstreet
Life is better in flip flops
It takes a lot to make me mad...but this would totally tick me off! It just smacks of big brother intrusion to me. DH and I changed our party from independent to republican just to vote for Trump in the upcoming KY caucus but afterwards, (March) we will be right back to the courthouse to change it back to independent. I've had it with politicians.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Was channel surfing and Fox had a segment and they covered this and showed the top part of the voting 'violation' without showing any of the names. Their guest was the head of a conservative family association that are supporting Cruz and they asked him a question about it. He weaseled it a bit but said that using voting records to target turnout is not without precedent. He just said that this is all about stopping Trump and for the Republicans being able to nominate a 'true' conservative and said that Cruz is the only one who can stop Trump so he is hoping that the caucus goers will vote Cruz for this reason. When I think about amnesty and open borders and then consider Cruz I don't see how you could possibly call him a conservative either as most conservatives are all for slowing down immigration and being a little more particular about who we let in.
fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
No there, there. Another media driven dust up. I'm hearing that the Republican party of Iowa has done this in previous elections. Why is it that it is only brought up in this one?
It isn't so much about what he did, but how he did it.
Why on earth did he take the chance of making voters mad when he's down in the polls??
He could have just as easily sent them a nice little note saying records show us you haven't voted for a while, this is the most important election... blah, blah, if anyone else gets elected,.. blah, blah.
For being such a smart guy, I really question his judgment on this one.
Why on earth did he take the chance of making voters mad when he's down in the polls??
He could have just as easily sent them a nice little note saying records show us you haven't voted for a while, this is the most important election... blah, blah, if anyone else gets elected,.. blah, blah.
For being such a smart guy, I really question his judgment on this one.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
I don't know. I've never heard of that being done before and I've never received something like that looking quasi official with saying that I'm in voting violation. First time I've ever heard of anything like that. And for me if I ever received something like that even from a candidate I was considering supporting I would drop him/her like a hot rock. That really smacks of over the top big brother. And the Iowa Secretary of State who is Republican said:
The secretary of state, Paul D. Pate, called the effort “misleading.”
“Accusing citizens of Iowa of a ‘voting violation’ based on Iowa caucus participation, or lack thereof, is false representation of an official act,” Mr. Pate said. “There is no such thing as an election violation related to frequency of voting. Any insinuation or statement to the contrary is wrong and I believe it is not in keeping in the spirit of the Iowa caucuses.”
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...fficial-criticizes-cruz-campaign-over-mailer/
So that slap down is coming from a fellow Republican. I would imagine if it was coming from Hitlery or Sander's campaign the comments would be worded a mite stronger.
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=4981
Breaking: Leaked Transcript Reveals Ted Cruz People Are Nervous About Mailergate
This is not a good home stretch for Senator Ted Cruz. IOWA For Trump @LandmanMarius just released this "leaked transcript" of what appears to be a Cruz supporter demanding answer regarding the invasive mailer sent to Iowa voters on Friday. It's clear from the leaked messages that the voter is furious with Cruz. The messages also reveals the possible spin-control statement if the story stretches out any longer. The blame is pointing towards "a glitch in the system" and still needs to be "sorted" out:
Staff seems to be nervous about the mailer story circulating the web:
The next batch of the "leaked transcript" suggests Cruz is cautious of the level of Trump support in Florida:
Earlier today, the Iowa Secretary of State released a statement about letters Cruz sent to shame voters into voting for him by claiming that knowledge of voter history and comparing to their neighbors. The letter misrepresents Iowa election law. Cruz told Iowans he will "apologize to nobody".
Breaking: Leaked Transcript Reveals Ted Cruz People Are Nervous About Mailergate
This is not a good home stretch for Senator Ted Cruz. IOWA For Trump @LandmanMarius just released this "leaked transcript" of what appears to be a Cruz supporter demanding answer regarding the invasive mailer sent to Iowa voters on Friday. It's clear from the leaked messages that the voter is furious with Cruz. The messages also reveals the possible spin-control statement if the story stretches out any longer. The blame is pointing towards "a glitch in the system" and still needs to be "sorted" out:
Staff seems to be nervous about the mailer story circulating the web:
The next batch of the "leaked transcript" suggests Cruz is cautious of the level of Trump support in Florida:
Earlier today, the Iowa Secretary of State released a statement about letters Cruz sent to shame voters into voting for him by claiming that knowledge of voter history and comparing to their neighbors. The letter misrepresents Iowa election law. Cruz told Iowans he will "apologize to nobody".
fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
I don't know, but I'm finding the responses to this very odd. Especially for members of TB. Personnaly if it happened here I wouldn't feel shamed because I would have a good grade for voting. So, you have no problem shaming Ted Cruz for shaming people for not voting? Donald Trump has no problem shaming everybody and his brother for their looks, or that they are liars, or lazy, or stupid, but that's okay. I guess it's just another anti-Cruz thing.
As far as the big brother thing, that horse left the barn a long, long time ago.
As far as the big brother thing, that horse left the barn a long, long time ago.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
Here is the deal for me. First of all I'm not a Trump supporter. I find him to be a possible demagogue and frankly it's too late to save this nation. That ship has sailed. The math of our impossible situation simply is what it is. What I enjoy about Trump and I think a lot of people see this the same way, is that Trump is the giant middle finger against the Republican establishment that defecates upon it's base by telling them what they want to hear and then between elections totally forgets about what the people who put them into office wants them to so.
As far as the big brother thing that is a given. Except I wouldn't expect a 'conservative' candidate to play the big brother or nanny card. And frankly I've had a huge check in my spirit about Cruz when I saw the video of his minister father anointing him to rule. But that is just me.
Regardless, I know that both Pubs/Dems know who their voters are. And yes, it's certainly common for both groups to send out mailers before the election to ask voters for their support and to get out and vote. It's also common to use voting records to telephone people on the day before the election or the day of the election again to remind them to please vote. What is uncommon is to produce a quasi official looking 'voting violation' and to send that to Republicans who don't vote a lot and have not only their name on it but names of their neighbors and intimating that all their neighbors will know their score and to remedy that they better show up on Monday. Not only did his fellow Republican Secretary Of State of Iowa find this unconscionable but the reaction of the campaign on twitter that was posted seems to indicate that they know the did a real faux paus and were asking to keep it quiet. And apparently Ted isn't going to apologize for it. If Trump did this I would be saying the exact same things.
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
http://www.weeklystandard.com/full/...er-i-will-apologize-to-nobody/article/2000837
Cruz on Controversial Mailer: 'I Will Apologize to Nobody'
"Anyone hoping to win the state of Iowa has to show the respect to the voters of this state."
8:55 PM, Jan 30, 2016 | By Michael Warren
Sioux City, Iowa
Ted Cruz said he will "apologize to nobody" for a campaign mailer he sent out to Iowa voters that was made to look like an official government document. The mailer contained a heading that read "Official Public Document" and was billed as a "Voting Violation" notice. The Cruz campaign sent the mailer to voters who had not voted or caucused and informed them they had "failing grades" and that attending Monday's caucus could "improve your score."
Iowa secretary of state Paul Pate condemned the Cruz mailer in a statement. "Accusing citizens of Iowa of a 'voting violation' based on Iowa Caucus participation, or lack thereof, is false representation of an official act," said Pate. "There is no such thing as an election violation related to frequency of voting. Any insinuation or statement to the contrary is wrong and I believe it is not in keeping in the spirit of the Iowa Caucuses."
Asked Saturday evening by THE WEEKLY STANDARD for his reaction to Pate's rebuke, Cruz defended the mailer. "Matt Schultz is a former secretary of state, he's the chairman of our campaign, [he] put out a statement saying these mailers are routine," Cruz said. "The Iowa Republican party has done so in the past in past elections. And I will apologize to nobody for using every tool we can to encourage Iowa voters to come out and vote."
These type of "voter grade" mailers have been used by party organizations and political action committees, and political scientists have found they are effective in increasing turnout.
Cruz, who is appearing at a rally in Sioux City, also spoke to reporters about his challenge to Iowa frontrunner Donald Trump to debate him before the February 1 caucuses. The Texas senator criticized Trump for skipping Thursday's Fox News debate in Des Moines.
"I believe anyone hoping to win the state of Iowa has to show the respect to the voters of this state," Cruz said.
Cruz on Controversial Mailer: 'I Will Apologize to Nobody'
"Anyone hoping to win the state of Iowa has to show the respect to the voters of this state."
8:55 PM, Jan 30, 2016 | By Michael Warren
Sioux City, Iowa
Ted Cruz said he will "apologize to nobody" for a campaign mailer he sent out to Iowa voters that was made to look like an official government document. The mailer contained a heading that read "Official Public Document" and was billed as a "Voting Violation" notice. The Cruz campaign sent the mailer to voters who had not voted or caucused and informed them they had "failing grades" and that attending Monday's caucus could "improve your score."
Iowa secretary of state Paul Pate condemned the Cruz mailer in a statement. "Accusing citizens of Iowa of a 'voting violation' based on Iowa Caucus participation, or lack thereof, is false representation of an official act," said Pate. "There is no such thing as an election violation related to frequency of voting. Any insinuation or statement to the contrary is wrong and I believe it is not in keeping in the spirit of the Iowa Caucuses."
Asked Saturday evening by THE WEEKLY STANDARD for his reaction to Pate's rebuke, Cruz defended the mailer. "Matt Schultz is a former secretary of state, he's the chairman of our campaign, [he] put out a statement saying these mailers are routine," Cruz said. "The Iowa Republican party has done so in the past in past elections. And I will apologize to nobody for using every tool we can to encourage Iowa voters to come out and vote."
These type of "voter grade" mailers have been used by party organizations and political action committees, and political scientists have found they are effective in increasing turnout.
Cruz, who is appearing at a rally in Sioux City, also spoke to reporters about his challenge to Iowa frontrunner Donald Trump to debate him before the February 1 caucuses. The Texas senator criticized Trump for skipping Thursday's Fox News debate in Des Moines.
"I believe anyone hoping to win the state of Iowa has to show the respect to the voters of this state," Cruz said.
Lavender
Veteran Member
As they say....To make matters worse.
Those tweets just doubled down on stupid. Why in the world would Ted's supporters tweet these tweets in public? Do they just not get it?
I seriously feel sad for Ted Cruz.....and his supporters. I do not think he would be the kind of president who would use an iron fist on people if he were to win the election. I do think he has made some serious political mistakes in the last week. Too bad for Ted. It is time for him to go on home. It is over for this primary. Maybe he can look ahead to 2020.
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I was OK with Cruz and didn't buy into all the poo flinging as it started to break. This is an election, every thing that can be found on a candidate will be found, twisted and used against him.
This deal seems real and really changed my outlook on him.
Anybody that uses advertising that emulates "official" documents pisses me off to no end.
Trump!
This deal seems real and really changed my outlook on him.
Anybody that uses advertising that emulates "official" documents pisses me off to no end.
Trump!
Gawd, I can't wait until Iowa is over. Frankly, it will probably be ALL over by March 2, and whoever of the candidates that are running for the GOP right now becomes the head of the ticket, it will be fine. Way better than Hillary or any ding danged Dem.
Yeeps people, chill.
Yeeps people, chill.
Why should we chill?
We have finally found a candidate we can support wholeheartedly and who has a good chance of winning. He energizes us and gives us a glimmer of hope. It's exciting to get excited about something.
No chilling till Nov
Trump 2016
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1911user
Veteran Member
I think part of the difference this time, assuming they really did use this type of stupid mailing before, is it would be sent only to selected non-voters. The recipient might tell someone or just throw it in the trash, but it would soon be forgotten and certainly not news. Now, take a picture, attach it to a tweet then broadcast widely. Anyone with a modern cell phone can do it. Call it journalistic power to the people. 
Politicians can't say different things to different groups and keep everyone dumb and happy anymore. Practically everything they say during the campaign is recorded and compared with previous statements. Any big change can be widely noted and made into an issue.
Politicians can't say different things to different groups and keep everyone dumb and happy anymore. Practically everything they say during the campaign is recorded and compared with previous statements. Any big change can be widely noted and made into an issue.
Dosadi
Brown Coat
After reflecting, did ya notice
Voting Violation?
on yellow paper?
Kind of looks like a legal oops your in trouble fine doesn't it.
Esp for the typically low info people who don't know that voting isn't something that the govt controls, nor can they fine you for voting or not voting or put you in jail or anything.
But that appearance in itself is big brother pay ops manipulative the more i think about it.
Just all around revealing of the whole career politician schitk. May all career politicians cease and only one term in a life time from any elected position become the rule of the land.
Voting Violation?
on yellow paper?
Kind of looks like a legal oops your in trouble fine doesn't it.
Esp for the typically low info people who don't know that voting isn't something that the govt controls, nor can they fine you for voting or not voting or put you in jail or anything.
But that appearance in itself is big brother pay ops manipulative the more i think about it.
Just all around revealing of the whole career politician schitk. May all career politicians cease and only one term in a life time from any elected position become the rule of the land.
Haybails
When In Doubt, Throttle Out!
So, you're saying that makes it OK?!
That's like saying, "Joe drove drunk before, so there's nothing we can do about it now."
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That's like saying, "Joe drove drunk before, so there's nothing we can do about it now."
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I really doubt this type of ad will be used for a long time. On another note concerning this ad, I wouldn't even send it to non voters. I am using all apps this year and names, addresses, and voting records are up to date as of last cycle. It doesn't show exactly who one voted for, but is does show D or R or L. While out canvassing, I came across a couple of addresses that had changed hands since the last cycle. They both stated theyare receiving political flyers for the previous owners. They were concerned about Cruz's judgement and how privacy will be impacted going forward. It may be legal, but is it ethical. The voters will decide.
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Yes, it was made up to look like a ticket, and the language was designed to elicit at least a momentary fear of having been hit with one.
Now, considering that Cruz is using psychographic targeting of potential voters, do you think that maybe the cross-section of voters receiving these were deemed by their facebook mining (or of their friends, this can be done once-removed)?
Consider this discussion of Cruz' psychological profiling and changing his message to meet the victim, I mean potential voter:
"It is called “psychographic targeting.” No, this was not a term made up by Philip K. Dick, but it does accurately describe the mind-game tactics at play:
An email will be tweaked based on the personality of the recipient. If a respondent were a “stoic traditionalist,” the conversation would be very direct and to the point. If a potential supporter was labeled “temperamental,” the language and approach would change, according to Chris Wilson, the campaign’s director of research and analytics, who has taken a leave from the polling firm he leads, WPA Opinion Research. “The tone would be inspiring and become more and more positive as the conversation progresses,” he said.
And, like Freddy Krueger, they use voters' worst fears:
The personality and political scores applied by the campaign are used to tightly tailor outreach to individuals. For example, personalities that have received high scores for “neuroticism” are believed to be generally fearful, so a pro-gun pitch to them would emphasize the use of firearms for personal safety and might include a picture of a burglar breaking in to a home."
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/12/ted-cruz-campaign-psychology
It's a very serious matter, IMO. Fortune and others have written about this as well.
Now, considering that Cruz is using psychographic targeting of potential voters, do you think that maybe the cross-section of voters receiving these were deemed by their facebook mining (or of their friends, this can be done once-removed)?
Consider this discussion of Cruz' psychological profiling and changing his message to meet the victim, I mean potential voter:
"It is called “psychographic targeting.” No, this was not a term made up by Philip K. Dick, but it does accurately describe the mind-game tactics at play:
An email will be tweaked based on the personality of the recipient. If a respondent were a “stoic traditionalist,” the conversation would be very direct and to the point. If a potential supporter was labeled “temperamental,” the language and approach would change, according to Chris Wilson, the campaign’s director of research and analytics, who has taken a leave from the polling firm he leads, WPA Opinion Research. “The tone would be inspiring and become more and more positive as the conversation progresses,” he said.
And, like Freddy Krueger, they use voters' worst fears:
The personality and political scores applied by the campaign are used to tightly tailor outreach to individuals. For example, personalities that have received high scores for “neuroticism” are believed to be generally fearful, so a pro-gun pitch to them would emphasize the use of firearms for personal safety and might include a picture of a burglar breaking in to a home."
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/12/ted-cruz-campaign-psychology
It's a very serious matter, IMO. Fortune and others have written about this as well.
What choice do they have, vote for Cruz because you are a lazy non-voting bastard, or perhaps they voted for "none of the above" because all of them were crap.
Voter turnout in the UK has gone down from 70-80% post war to 60 − 66% last few elections.