That’s been there for several hours now. I’ve got screenshots from last night that don’t show that.
DISASTER China's Three Gorge Dam in Danger
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cyberiot
Rimtas žmogus
Top-drawer woo there, winodog. The Hillary's Server angle is certainly food for additional thought.
desertvet2
Veteran Member
May GOD help the Chinese and the world.
Things ARE going to continue to worsen.
Shortages, total non-availability.
Chaos, violence.
Pray
Prepare
Things ARE going to continue to worsen.
Shortages, total non-availability.
Chaos, violence.
Pray
Prepare
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
(just my luck--to get a MAJOR post in, and it goes to the BOTTOM of a page---REPOSTING--too important for anyone to miss---I THINK THE DAM IS STARTING TO GO, if this is what I think it is-- severe cavitation)
OK--I just got on--so someone else may have already reported this--
BUT SOMETHING IS MAJORLY WRONG WITH 3GD RIGHT NOW.
It appears only TWO--maybe three---- of the floodgates are working--
and for the one on the right (as you face it---it would be the gate near the TOP of the picture above---the one that ALL of the pictures have shown pieces flying out of---
the flow is now shooting up HIGH into the air---from UNDER --- repeat UNDER -- the water---IN FRONT OF and AWAY from the DAM!
In other words---it's like it's shooting up from BENEATH the dam, INSTEAD OF OUT OF THE FLOODGATE!
And you can't see anything flowing out from most of the OTHER gates at ALL---just two other gates.
OK--I just got on--so someone else may have already reported this--
BUT SOMETHING IS MAJORLY WRONG WITH 3GD RIGHT NOW.
It appears only TWO--maybe three---- of the floodgates are working--
and for the one on the right (as you face it---it would be the gate near the TOP of the picture above---the one that ALL of the pictures have shown pieces flying out of---
the flow is now shooting up HIGH into the air---from UNDER --- repeat UNDER -- the water---IN FRONT OF and AWAY from the DAM!
In other words---it's like it's shooting up from BENEATH the dam, INSTEAD OF OUT OF THE FLOODGATE!
And you can't see anything flowing out from most of the OTHER gates at ALL---just two other gates.
Quiet Man
Nothing unreal exists
I did not see that when I watched the stream about 7 hours ago.
This is starting to look pretty serious.
Added: Couple this situation with the weather forecast, as posted by Hfcomms in post #1183, and we're in trouble.
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bw
Fringe Ranger
I can't swear it's breaking up, but when it breaks up this sure seems like a reasonable scenario. I mentioned above that it's odd there are no rolling cranes over the spillways. I wonder if it's vibrating too hard for them to be safely left there.
In the north from the Indian border it ends in Yellow river, middle from Indian border everything ends up in Yangtze, smaller river systems south including Mekong flowing through other country’s including Vietnam.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Now it looks even worse--only a few minutes later---
Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
Wow, if true, Hillary Clinton should be dragged from her home and immediately taken into custody.
At some time she will have to be dealt with for treason. Of course a fair trial before she is executed.
Nothing may be flowing because the gates may be shut. The crap on upstream side may be jamming and directing flow on the outlet, like a thumb in front of a hose. Whole houses and metal mfg buildings and tanks and stuff have washed downstream. Something may be jammed half in the dam and half out unable to break loose.
Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
It would be nice to pee in the Yangtze river above 3GD.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
It could also be from a wash out. Meaning erosion has caused a hole to develop and the water is hitting that hole and bouncing up. Really big hole. I would note how the water acted when all that water is released from that CA dam.
Just saying - giving another possibility.
bw
Fringe Ranger
There's probably a country/western song in there somewhere.
I'm sure there is an incredible amount of crap washing downstream.
Reminds me of the two barges that got sucked under at the Webber's Falls dam here in Oklahoma.
Once they hit the structure, it only took a minute for them to go down.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I wonder if this is the case, squid---or if it's a piece of the DAM ITSELF- or the BEDROCK UNDER THE DAM -- (iow, cavitation) that has broken loose and is half-jammed in front of the gates---I just noticed in my last picture what Sidvicious (post link DISASTER - China's Three Gorge Dam in Danger -now on the previous page) mentioned---that there seems to be a LARGE BLACK OBJECT in front of some of the gates.
This object is also partially obstructing the farthest gate---the one the pieces keep being seen thrown out of--and that could account for making the water "jet" even further out than before (see my earlier picture)--
BY THE WAY--THEY ARE DOING THEIR NIGHTLY "LIGHT" SHOW RIGHT NOW---SO NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO LOOK AT THE STREAM, IF YOU WANT TO SEE CLEARLY WHAT IS GOING ON. ONCE THE LIGHTS GO OUT, IT WILL BE HARD TO SEE ANYTHING Three Gorges Dam Stream (side angle)
I marked the "object" in this screen-shot:
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Melodi
Disaster Cat
Rut roh, thanks for posting this we needed to know.
A question for you was this information in Chinese or English? -
because that could make a difference in who China wanted to have this information right now? Not that the US doesn't have a lot of Chinese speakers/readers (like my nephew) but it is an extra step, easier to miss, etc.
How many chicom hydrologists are getting motivational, pistol shots to the back of the head?
Quiet Man
Nothing unreal exists
I think that this is not a big chunk sitting just below the dam -- Rather it is the face of the lower part of the dam.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Thank you, if they are admitting that much to an international audience it is highly likely the dam is doomed, sooner or later.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Me, too--as in, the FACE OF THE DAM is coming loose and that part of the dam has moved forward, partially blocking that farthest floodgate, which is why we're seeing water 'jetting' out further under the increased pressure..
I don't believe the closing of floodgates would create an "empty spot" where no water is, in front of the dam.
After all--there's no "walls" BETWEEN the floodgates, to keep the outflow from each gate separated from one another.
So, water coming out ALL the floodgates--at that intensity--would FILL the basin in front of the dam, so we would NOT see "the bottom" (face) of the dam.
The only way we'd see the "face" of the dam again is if the ENTIRE water level--across the pool--dropped enough to expose it.
And if they are ADMITTING "cavitation"--cavitation SO BAD they are SHUTTING FLOODGATES--
then they have shut those floodgates BECAUSE THEY WERE ABOUT TO COLLAPSE.
What does this say about:
1. The structural integrity of the dam ABOVE those cavitated floodgates?
and
2. How LONG the REMAINING floodgates will take to CAVITATE to an EQUAL extent?
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Melodi
Disaster Cat
And a damaged emergency flood release area (I'm not sure the technical term) is what nearly caused Oroville Dam to become perhaps the largest disaster on US soil since the Johnstone Flood or The Great Hurricane at Galveston in 1900.
Though the valiant efforts of many, that did not happen but, it came very-very close (especially that first night).
Though the valiant efforts of many, that did not happen but, it came very-very close (especially that first night).
I wonder if they will keep feeds going when the structure starts to fail?
Quiet Man
Nothing unreal exists
I disagree. Here is a better image. Notice that the top edge of the lower face is continuous. It's just visible now because the upper flood gates are closed, and that section of the lower face is not releasing water.
Added: Also, it appears that much of the lower face is not releasing water at this particular time.
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
probably not.
Which is why the watchers HERE must be vigilant--to catch that LAST second when we see something BAD happening---before they shut it down.
Sid Vicious
Veteran Member
Camera will shut off due to lack of electricity.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
They've turned the lights off now, so I can't get a good shot.
What date is your picture? I see the timestamp (22:32:46) but no date.
But why do I see no water flowing out of the dam in your picture? They DO still have that "last" floodgate open--the one that (facing the dam) would be on the farthest right---but I can't see ANY floodgates open in your picture.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
It looks like they started closing those gates around 18:35 in the previous video. There were major chunks of debris coming out around that time.
Especially if they've opened the other gates further to let more water through, meaning velocity is even higher. Not good at all.
Quiet Man
Nothing unreal exists
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Thank you, Beach and Quiet Man.
I watched this for a while.
I see what several of ya'll have mentioned---about 4 hours ago the dam was vomiting chunks (esp. on that "right" side) at the rate of one to several EVERY FEW SECONDS.
They didn't actually shut "some" of the gates until about 19:00---but what beats me is, WHY have they NOT shut the gate where MOST of the debris is coming from? The one on the far right?
Is it because it is SO damaged--that they CAN'T shut it down?
Screenshot:
"Especially if they've opened the other gates further to let more water through, meaning velocity is even higher. Not good at all."
Indeed. And leaving that "right" gate (farthest right or "topmost" in the video) open--when THAT one has been ejecting the MOST chunks---
I think we are on the "deathwatch" now, for the dam.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
?
Do you mean 'water LEVEL'?
And the answer is -- no, from what I understand, the water level has not dropped at all--far from it.
Also, the dam is NO WHERE NEAR Wuhan---it is 313 km (however many miles that would be) above it. I think I read in the CGI simulation of the dam break, that in a FULL break (as in, the WHOLE dam collapses at once--an unlikely scenario)---with the water flowing downstream as fast as possible, it would take 6 hours (or was it 10?) to reach Wuhan. It's not right next to Wuhan.
Quiet Man
Nothing unreal exists
I'm also trying to figure-out if the 'chunks' that we've been seeing are really some sort of encoding/compression artifacts. I watched this process for about 20 minutes last night and all of the chunks disappeared suddenly, like in mid-crest, rather than submerging. Not sure.
Added: I've also noticed that some of the chunks follow the track of powerlines in the foreground.