DISASTER China's Three Gorge Dam in Danger
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Melodi
Disaster Cat
My engineer housemate who designs water treatment plants (and their parts) looked at these pictures for me and her feedback is interesting.
1. First NOT securing the dam to the bedrock is actually a POSITIVE in this case, it may make the dam less likely to be swept away and she demonstrated with a pen (I should have taken a video).
That's good news.
2. The Bad news is that the dam was built straight across rather than bowing out or in (for technical reason dams can be built either way - don't ask I haven't a clue) but said that the common way of the dam bowing out, also means the force of the water actually helps to secure the dam, which in this case might fall to pieces if connected to the bedrock below.
3. If there is more rain, if it can't be drained properly, because of that strange decision to build the dam straight across that dam is a lot more in danger of being swept away and breaking apart than if it was bowing out (or in, but she said dams like that are rare).
My housemate is a female GERMAN engineer, trained in Germany to the highest standards, and has also worked in construction crews before she went to University.
She hadn't know about the problems in China but will start watching and now has some of her own concerns about it.
1. First NOT securing the dam to the bedrock is actually a POSITIVE in this case, it may make the dam less likely to be swept away and she demonstrated with a pen (I should have taken a video).
That's good news.
2. The Bad news is that the dam was built straight across rather than bowing out or in (for technical reason dams can be built either way - don't ask I haven't a clue) but said that the common way of the dam bowing out, also means the force of the water actually helps to secure the dam, which in this case might fall to pieces if connected to the bedrock below.
3. If there is more rain, if it can't be drained properly, because of that strange decision to build the dam straight across that dam is a lot more in danger of being swept away and breaking apart than if it was bowing out (or in, but she said dams like that are rare).
My housemate is a female GERMAN engineer, trained in Germany to the highest standards, and has also worked in construction crews before she went to University.
She hadn't know about the problems in China but will start watching and now has some of her own concerns about it.
Trivium Pursuit
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Ah, the "Mythical Man Month"...
Where isthe figure of 40 million deaths if the dam fails coming from?
bw
Fringe Ranger
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Lay down 40 million people in front of the dam? Should work.
Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Trivium Pursuit
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And as you might have guessed, throwing more people and resources at the project when it hadfallen behind does not work out so well.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Yes, I'm well aware of it. My point was the Mythical Man Month is focused on intellectual projects, and as career IT I know how poorly that works. I suggested Chernobyl is a better model for Three Gorges - they threw in people whose useful job function was measured in minutes, and they kept on until they had some kind of lid on the thing. The thousands who died were just the cost of doing business.
To transliterate Chernobyl into Three Gorges, think whatever equipment they can float downstream, hauled up against the dam and sunk there. Ships and barges loaded with rocks, floating cranes, anything to add mass and resist the dam sliding. Anything to make some head of water downstream to reduce the load on the dam. Same sort of thing from land - ad-hoc conveyor belts to dump rock or launch it. Not saying this would work, just suggesting they might try it. Short on options.
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Trivium Pursuit
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes, you're referring to the heroes of Soviet socialist labor that went in and fought the fires, gir heavily radiated, etc.
well, since none of that is going to happen, and the historic rains are predicted to continue on through next week, we had all better be prepared for a cosmic scale catastrophe, with tens of millions dead. how their idiotic,criminal, satanic regime will react to that, when they are already pissing off and threatening literally all their neighbors .... well, i shudder to guess. not good though.
2020: one for the history books!
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
If they can take a picture once and have it straight, they can do it again. I am betting it is no longer straight.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
The bow is to allow for compression. Like an arch. It can hold almost anything if done well. Then we are talking about China so this may be their best effort at an arch.
The design is called a gravity dam in that the weight of the structure is what holds it in place rather than have it anchored in bedrock. The Chinese must have felt that the weight was enough so they did not use the extra concrete and steel needed to build a bowed design.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Downriver from the dam, obviously.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
It wasn't hers, it was MY MISTAKE I think it is more like 500,000 sorry, I missread something.
Oh and update from another friend who knows more about this dam (my housemate was just going by the photos here) told me that there is mud seeping UNDER the dam because it isn't sunk into the bedrock.
That is probably bad, very bad...
My engineering skills are between zero and minus 1, I always flunk the section on IQ tests where you are supposed to make your physical set of blocks look like another set of blocks - you have 20 seconds, it will take me like 5 to 20 minutes...they don't let you take that long.
So any mistakes made here are mine because I'm trying to write down what people who know their subject are saying without totally understanding it.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Yes this is what I think Hilde (housemate) was trying to tell me, she was using her hands to try and show me but I didn't really understand think you- I gather this probably is what the Chinese thought only "oops" it doesn't seem to be working.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Leakage is the classic failure mode of a dam that's not sealed to bedrock, whether it's an earthen dam or concrete sitting on soil. The normal design will feature a central dike of clay or something that extends far down, and either up into an earth dam or sealed against the bottom of a concrete dam. Leaks are difficult to detect until they're already catastrophic.
I've seen the figure of 40 million OR MORE dead downstream if the dam goes in other articles. I don't have time to look up the downriver population right now, but given their massive population and the tendency for societies to build heavily populated cities (and also farmland and associated businesses, processing plants, etc) near rivers, thst strikes me as completely possible.
Summerthyme
Summerthyme
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High pressure mud would make an excellent lubricant. Better than a slave slurry under pyramid stones.
MountainBiker
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And if the Chinese count the deaths the way they counted WuFlu deaths, they'll announce 40,000 died, and congratulate themselves for minimizing the death toll and then MSNBC, CNN and the rest will join in on the congratulations and announce Orange Man Bad.
West
Senior
Well, obviously it would also be Trumps fault. And Chinese capitalists.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Properly constructed dams never make the news.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
The city of Wuhan lies down stream of the three gorges dam, that's where that figure comes from.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
7-5 1p.m. PST. Best, most recent summary of threat published on You Tube here:
uncensored.co.nz
History of threat; reasoned exposition of consequences of possible failure, including cities downstream which will be impacted. Authors have a "when not if" approach. Nothing reported here re: most recent weather.
Job got in right in Chapter 28:
"24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven; 25 To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure. 26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder: 27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out. 28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."
Black Swan Event: China's Three Gorges Dam - Uncensored Publications Limited
400 million people living in the Yangtze basin paying the price for living beside the world's largest hydroelectric dam? Scientists fear it could spark...
uncensored.co.nz
History of threat; reasoned exposition of consequences of possible failure, including cities downstream which will be impacted. Authors have a "when not if" approach. Nothing reported here re: most recent weather.
Job got in right in Chapter 28:
"24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven; 25 To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure. 26 When he made a decree for the rain, and a way for the lightning of the thunder: 27 Then did he see it, and declare it; he prepared it, yea, and searched it out. 28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding."
To max the damages predicted, the failure would have to be catastrophic, like one minute the dam is there and the next minute a 100' wall of water running down stream.
That could happen if they were dumb enough to set the dam on dirt rather than rock and then not build a impermeable dike down to rock.
That could happen if they were dumb enough to set the dam on dirt rather than rock and then not build a impermeable dike down to rock.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
No one knows for certain or if they do, they are probably in China and not talking.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
The major cities downstream include SHANGHAI, WUHAN, YEP THAT WUHAN, AND OTHERS. The total downstream population is 400 MILLION, and the 40 million is an estimate by who ever.
bw
Fringe Ranger
I'm no expert, but that's an acceptable estimate. One segment fails and then the scouring undermines adjacent segments and they fail in succession.
The Snack Artist
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When this damn dam was being built I thought it was a travesty they were covering the entire region with water submerging countless shrines, churches, houses, communities. In essence, history. Now the chincs will pay the piper. I'll bet they used the old chinese method of building a foundation using empty PVC pipe. It's a matter of time imo.
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NEAR-NOAH SCALE FLOODS ENDANGER THREE GORGES DAM
33 days of consecutive rain in southwestern China have led to massive flooding and mudslides. While the Chinese government denies reports by experts that the huge Three Gorges Dam is in danger of collapse, they opened the floodgates, sending torrents of water to flood cities downstream from the world’s largest hydroelectric plant.
Since June, more than 33 million people in 26 provinces have been affected by torrential rain, with many cities above and below the Three Gorges Dam submerged by floodwaters, calling into question the effectiveness and stability of the massive facility. More than 180 were killed and an additional 45 people are missing in the floods.
After initially denying the floodgates had been opened, claiming that the dam was making full efforts to “generate electricity,” the Chinese government finally acknowledged that videos and images on social media were accurate in showing the floodgates releasing torrents of water for the first time this year.
The government acknowledged that the facility was actually performing an emergency flood discharge to alleviate the threat of collapse.
Officials warned residents downstream that they may be in danger of floodwaters if they live below the fourth floor in their buildings as water levels could allegedly reach over 600 feet.
German-Chinese hydrologist Wang Weiluo told Radio France Internationale on Monday the dam could collapse at any moment. Wang pointed out that the dam’s design, construction, and quality inspection were all carried out by the same group of people and that the project was finished too quickly using substandard concrete.
An estimated 400 million people live downstream of the Three Gorges Dam. More than 40,000 people have so far been evacuated.
EARTHQUAKE
On July 2, the China Meteorological Administration (CMA) issued a heavy rain warning on July 2 across China for the 31st straight day. It is important to note that after a similar earthquake in the same region in 2013, a group of scientists from China University of Geoscience in Wuhan and Saint Louis University who happened to be conducting measurements in the area concluded that a 7-8 fold increase of seismic activity in the region was due to pressure caused by the huge reservoir at the Three Gorges Dam.
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What can be seen as either irony or divine retribution (depending on your inclination), one of the cities hard-hit by the flooding was Wuhan, home of the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the epicenter of the Coronavirus breakout that initiated the current global pandemic.
But Chinese sources of pandemics are not limited to their microbiology labs. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is taking a number of actions to monitor and prepare against a group of H1N1 swine influenza viruses detected in China that have “the essential hallmarks of being highly adapted to infect humans” and which are therefore of potential pandemic concern.
The new G4 swine flu strain is genetically descended from the H1N1 strain that caused a pandemic in 2009, according to the study. According to the study, 10.4 percent of 338 pig slaughterhouse workers tested had already been infected. So far, there has been no evidence of human-to-human transmission.
Even if the new virus does not develop into a pandemic, a swine flu epidemic poses a huge threat to China. China is the world’s largest pork consumer, accounting for more than half of global pork consumption. In China, pork is preferred over beef for economic and aesthetic reasons; the pig is easy to feed and is not used for labor.
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The sixth plague in Egypt, boils, may very well have been bubonic plague, whose characteristic symptom is boil-like skin lesions that form black ulcers.
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I will show him wondrous deeds As in the days when You sallied forth from the land of Egypt. Micah 7:15
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In modern Hebrew, ‘Sin’ (סין) is the name for China.
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The Snack Artist
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Chief engineer Sum Ting Wong said the dam would hold with no problems.
Creedmoor
Tempus Fugit
The great downstream prophet, Ho Lee Fook, said “umm, I disagree”.
The Snack Artist
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