CORONA Call Ups

NoDandy

NoDandy

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I have not seen one single logical rational reason why we have NOT completely closed our borders, no visitors, no immigrants, no refugees !! Someone correct me if I am wrong, but, last I heard, we still have people coming in. As to the southern border, to hell with Nancy and Chuck the Schmuck. On the sections that do not have " the wall " put a couple Infantry / Armored Divisions down there, and install a minefield on the " unwalled " sections.

If we do not do that, then we are either colossal stupid, or ?????

Someone please tell me I am wrong, and WHY ?

Regards, No Dandy !!!

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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Armina and Cyclonemom:



Arnina said:
The responses in the thread read like the reserves of all military branches are being called to active duty. Yet, the order reads "with respect to the Coast Guard " which tells me this is only regarding the Coast Guard's "units and individual members of the Selected Reserve, and certain Individual Ready Reserve members"

So, dumb it down for me. What am I missing?
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Cyclonemom said:
Can someone more familiar with military personnel tell if this is a feasible number for medical personnel, or is this likely more for "crowd control"?
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Turret Buster said:
Medical. There will be a call up, most certainly, and some units are already "pre-mobilizing, I am sure, but Crowd Control? Anything is possible, and these are some crazy days we're living in, but I just don't get that vibe.
Honestly.
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I'm going to disagree with Turret Buster her just a bit.

I'm unaware of more than a million medical personnel on Reserve/ReadyReserve, EVEN counting the medical tail to tooth ratio. There is a whole lot of worker bees (trigger pullers) in that million. I'm fully aware that a mobile Medical Hospital company has a slew of cooks, bottle washers, drivers, equipment techs as well as docs, nurses, medics, etc. I'm ALSO aware that there are a lot of combat qualified guys n gals out there who are CERTAINLY capable of handling trauma, but this is something a LOT different, IMO (never to be humble)



I BELIEVE that this is basically a result of Tony Fauci and Debbie Birx and someone like Dr Acton in Ohio, reading the graphs and tealeaves for Donald and giving him the bad news that ' "Back in the saddle by Easter" is a pipe dream.'
 
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Arnina

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Thank you, Turret Buster, Ice Wave, Housecarl & Night Driver, for dumbing it down for me. I see where I made my mistake reading the order. Now, it makes sense.

Now, who here can identify all those Russian ships in Hurricanehic's post? That doesn't look like an aid package even with that medical ship.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
What looks like 2 tankers, a sub tender, 2-3 Guided missile ships, and 2-3 CIWIS defense boats plus the hospital ship and sundry other toys.

I'd LOVE to have them in one or two places I could name...

It really IS a KIND of aid package.
 
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Arnina

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night driver said:
What looks like 2 tankers, a sub tender, 2-3 Guided missile ships, and 2-3 CIWIS defense boats plus the hospital ship and sundry other toys.

I'd LOVE to have them in one or two places I could name...

It really IS a KIND of aid package.
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Thank you, and I'm thinking that kind of aid (while definitely fun to wish upon certain locations) is probably not as good for the rest of our country as we might hope.
 
Snyper

Snyper

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Turret Buster said:
I'm no sure whats going on, but it's there man.

Here's what is posted there-
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In post #35 I copied and pasted what I was seeing.
Post #28 doesn't exist on my screen.

It's surprising the media isn't all over this.
Maybe they are still trying to figure out how they want to spin it.
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Arnina said:
Thank you, and I'm thinking that kind of aid (while definitely fun to wish upon certain locations) is probably not as good for the rest of our country as we might hope.
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Snyper said:
In post #35 I copied and pasted what I was seeing.
Post #28 doesn't exist on my screen.

It's surprising the media isn't all over this.
Maybe they are still trying to figure out how they want to spin it.
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The MSM is so screwed up and compromised they wouldn't catch on until it gets loud and messy even if they get their crib notes from their political patrons, many of whom are still tap dancing all over Title 18, Chapter 115 to the degree that if there's a REX'84 redux, they'll be lucky if they're only detained for "the duration" of the emergency.
 
Millwright

Millwright

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Snyper said:
In post #35 I copied and pasted what I was seeing.
Post #28 doesn't exist on my screen.

It's surprising the media isn't all over this.
Maybe they are still trying to figure out how they want to spin it.
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Do you have intothatgoodnight on ignore?
 
CaryC

CaryC

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Turret Buster said:
Medical. There will be a call up, most certainly, and some units are already "pre-mobilizing, I am sure, but Crowd Control? Anything is possible, and these are some crazy days we're living in, but I just don't get that vibe.
Honestly.
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Not calling you out, or starting an argument, or anything, but I read over the EO and didn't see anything relating to, or stating that the call up was "medical". Good assumption, for sure, but not stated. As I read it, so some clarity is needed at least for me.

If the units being called up are Engineers or Medial units, I can see that as: units constructing hospitals, and medical staff to occupy them, no problem and would seem to be inline with what the President has been saying, no problem help is on the way sort of thing.

However, if the units are MP or Infantry units that would be a big dot, for total woo, and conspiracy theories out the ying yang. Meaning enforcement of local no travel, shelter in place laws issued by cities/states. Your papers please.

Also what does Coast Guard have to do with building hospitals and staffing them? Ya see woo already started.
 
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Double_A

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"I am authorizing the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security, with respect to the Coast Guard, to order units and individual members of the Selected Reserve, and certain Individual Ready Reserve members, to active duty to augment the active forces for the effective conduct of coronavirus disease response."

Trump has pressed into service two Hospital Ships into action against CV19

Maybe I'm not seeing something, that some on this thread are seeing.
 
CaryC

CaryC

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Double_A said:
"I am authorizing the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security, with respect to the Coast Guard, to order units and individual members of the Selected Reserve, and certain Individual Ready Reserve members, to active duty to augment the active forces for the effective conduct of coronavirus disease response."

Trump has pressed into service two Hospital Ships into action against CV19

Maybe I'm not seeing something, that some on this thread are seeing.
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I don't think (note: think) those ships are Coast Guard, but rather regular military hospital vessels. However, the CG did and does participate in that.

On a separate note, I did read over at Brietbart, the they were trying to call up medical staff, but only if it didn't interfere with their regular duties. I guess places where the virus isn't very active.

Still it does leave room for some woo.
 
day late

day late

money? whats that?
Someone asked if this was about a medical call-up or for crowd control. Ummm….folks, I don't believe that all military branches combined plus the ready reserve have 1,000,000 medical personnel. This is got to be if not crowd control, then for things like road blocks. This is going to get worse before it gets better, we all know. Right now I'm thinking of a shut down of the entire interstate system and escorts for things like food and fuel trucks.
 
pauldingbabe

pauldingbabe

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CaryC said:
Not calling you out, or starting an argument, or anything, but I read over the EO and didn't see anything relating to, or stating that the call up was "medical". Good assumption, for sure, but not stated. As I read it, so some clarity is needed at least for me.

If the units being called up are Engineers or Medial units, I can see that as: units constructing hospitals, and medical staff to occupy them, no problem and would seem to be inline with what the President has been saying, no problem help is on the way sort of thing.

However, if the units are MP or Infantry units that would be a big dot, for total woo, and conspiracy theories out the ying yang. Meaning enforcement of local no travel, shelter in place laws issued by cities/states. Your papers please.

Also what does Coast Guard have to do with building hospitals and staffing them? Ya see woo already started.
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Coast Guard can move people and equipment around pretty quick and easy. They can get to places some of our larger ships cannot. Just a thought of my own not first hand knowledge.
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
SECDEF has authority over the 4 branches (Army, Navy/Marines and Air Force. Sec DH(in)S has Coast Guard.

ALL of the branches are activated. Yeah there may be some deconfliction and such around the Coasties being DH(In)S.



[DH(In)S-=- Department of Homeland (In)Security]
 
IceWave

IceWave

Veteran Member
Here's something to consider as to why the Coast Guard/Coast Guard Reserve is involved in this call up EO.

The Coast Guard, in peacetime, is NOT part of the Department of Defense, but rather (currently) part of the Department of Homeland Security. One of its functions is law enforcement. The Coast Guard, when NOT part of the DoD, is also NOT limited by the Posse Comitatus Act.

And as an aside, the Posse Comitatus Act doesn't actually completely prevent the military from being used in some law enforcement type events. One example being during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots, a Marine division and an Army division were called in to help restore order (this is due to the Insurrection Act of 1807)
 
Turret Buster

Turret Buster

Gruntpa
night driver said:
Armina and Cyclonemom:








I'm going to disagree with Turret Buster her just a bit.

I'm unaware of more than a million medical personnel on Reserve/ReadyReserve, EVEN counting the medical tail to tooth ratio. There is a whole lot of worker bees (trigger pullers) in that million. I'm fully aware that a mobile Medical Hospital company has a slew of cooks, bottle washers, drivers, equipment techs as well as docs, nurses, medics, etc. I'm ALSO aware that there are a lot of combat qualified guys n gals out there who are CERTAINLY capable of handling trauma, but this is something a LOT different, IMO (never to be humble)



I BELIEVE that this is basically a result of Tony Fauci and Debbie Birx and someone like Dr Acton in Ohio, reading the graphs and tealeaves for Donald and giving him the bad news that ' "Back in the saddle by Easter" is a pipe dream.'
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CaryC said:
Not calling you out, or starting an argument, or anything, but I read over the EO and didn't see anything relating to, or stating that the call up was "medical". Good assumption, for sure, but not stated. As I read it, so some clarity is needed at least for me.

If the units being called up are Engineers or Medial units, I can see that as: units constructing hospitals, and medical staff to occupy them, no problem and would seem to be inline with what the President has been saying, no problem help is on the way sort of thing.

However, if the units are MP or Infantry units that would be a big dot, for total woo, and conspiracy theories out the ying yang. Meaning enforcement of local no travel, shelter in place laws issued by cities/states. Your papers please.

Also what does Coast Guard have to do with building hospitals and staffing them? Ya see woo already started.
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We're cool guys.

I don't know whats going on anymore than the next guy here, but, :) in my years in, I survived several major war time deployments, 2 overseas and 2 or 3 (depending on your definition of major) stateside. I based my replies on my experience's and memories.
One thing I can guarantee you all though, the rumor mill in all Branch's are running rampant with all sorts of crazy stuff.
We will all find out soon enough now, won't we?
 
CaryC

CaryC

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Yeah we cool.

But hey, calling a national emergency, emergency powers against forces see and unseen, suspending the Constitution, and all the acts that go with it, declaring martial law, suspending habitus corpus, etc. etc., has just so much more woo in it.

OBTW the Navy, to include the Marines, Seals, etc. and the Coast Guard are not included in Posse Comitatus Act. Only Army and Air Force.

So we can keep our hair frizzed out for at least 6 months on that.
 
StefanieQ

StefanieQ

StefanieQ
MaisieD said:
Does anyone here know anyone who has or has had this virus?
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My friend/neighbor tested positive - started showing symptoms on 3/9 after flying to/from a conference in
Washington DC, went in to the doctor multiple times - finally got approval to be COVID-19 tested on 3/17. CDC confirmed him positive at 10:30pm on 3/21. He and his family have been told by CDC to quarantine until 4/5.

His symptoms began with major fatigue, then general alternating hot/cold, feverish, a full week of body aches and feverish symptoms, and shortness of breath when climbing stairs. He is 50yo with a history of asthma/weak lungs, but he bikes and runs regularly to strengthen his lungs.

As a side note, the CDC asked him for an extensive list of any he might have come in contact with, and THEY wanted to be the ones to make contact with them. My husband was on the list (he and infected friend went mountain biking on 3/7, and halfway through they swapped bikes), but CDC said because the symptoms didn't appear until 3/9, they would not contact us.
 
samus79

samus79

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MaisieD said:
Does anyone here know anyone who has or has had this virus?
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One of my coworkers is in self quarantine right now because his girlfriend is a presumptive positive. She had a kidney infection and had to go to the ER. She started showing symptoms shortly thereafter and the doc said based on her symptoms that she had it. Not sure if she has been formally tested. I’ll ask Monday. He’s in quarantine until the 1st of April.
 
Bubble Head

Bubble Head

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President Trump has given notice of a broad call up of up to 1 million reservist. No reason has been stated nor what units called. That is standard operation for any war time situation. He has stated in a speech much earlier that this virus was not of GOD. I took that to mean it was designed by man. We currently have lost the Carrier Teddy Roosevelt due to biological. Or could it be more correctly called Biological Warfare. We do not know when it will be ready for combat but it going down during deployment should be enough to wake a few up. It is no secret that our enemies both foreign and domestic want this upon us and would love to attack. By activating 1 million reservist he is taking the necessary preemptive actions for whatever may come. But rest assured something bad is coming so grab a few more preps if you can.
 
Turret Buster

Turret Buster

Gruntpa
Bubble Head said:
President Trump has given notice of a broad call up of up to 1 million reservist. No reason has been stated nor what units called. That is standard operation for any war time situation. He has stated in a speech much earlier that this virus was not of GOD. I took that to mean it was designed by man. We currently have lost the Carrier Teddy Roosevelt due to biological. Or could it be more correctly called Biological Warfare. We do not know when it will be ready for combat but it going down during deployment should be enough to wake a few up. It is no secret that our enemies both foreign and domestic want this upon us and would love to attack. By activating 1 million reservist he is taking the necessary preemptive actions for whatever may come. But rest assured something bad is coming so grab a few more preps if you can.
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We have not "lost" the carrier, but yeah, I agree with what you said. Those sailors with still fight with puke buckets beside them and $hit filled diapers if they have to.
 
Dafodil

Dafodil

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night driver said:
To quote someone: "Maffs are HARD!!"


And SO MANY folks here couldn't seem to understand that exponentials ALWAYS look TINY at the beginning, until that morning when they AIN'T any more. And THAT morning is COMING damn fast.
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PleaseExcuse my ignorance, what are MAFFS?
 
Bubble Head

Bubble Head

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Turret Buster said:
We have not "lost" the carrier, but yeah, I agree with what you said. Those sailors with still fight with puke buckets beside them and $hit filled diapers if they have to.
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Yes they will. However it is currently unfit for action even though if ordered out it would go. We do not know the extent of causalities taken in that Task Force. Navy will never tell us. Here in Colorado all our bases and the Air Academy are on lock down. We have casualties in all areas but unknown amount.
 
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TorahTips

Membership Revoked
Just to clarify, Trump has AUTHORIZED calls ups. He has not done it. It's the difference between a tornado waning and a tornado. Don't blow this out of proportion and think that he has given marching orders. He has authorized others to do that if the time comes when they are needed.
 
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