FASCISM Buffalo police shove 75-year-old man to ground, then say he tripped - UPDATE, post 11

West

West

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I muse that now days cops are more like nannies who have too enforce stupid laws. Laws like the seatbelt laws. Also people call them for stupid things.

And that makes them creeps by proxy. Also they have to only harass, ticket and enforce these stupid laws on only citizens with their hands tied. And if I had to be a nannie cop that would really piss me off and make me not nice.

I couldn't give a ticket/fine to tax payers or poor people for not having a license, insurance, a seatbelt, or even a ticket for speeding if they was safe about it. Etc..

Anyway it doesn't surprise me and after real life experiences of seeing jock cops beat up and harass long hair family and friends, above is the only excuse I can make for arsehole cops.

They should be peace keepers and not law enforcers I know that!
 
F

FREEBIRD

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Tex88 said:
I continue to be baffled by the continued jackboot licking coming from many people. When has THIS become a thing, even?

Completely undisirregardlessly of the intentions, motives, organizers of the current goings-on, the police, local, state or federal are NOT your friend, and we all knew this once. Was it the post 9/11 "first responder hero" idolatry that changed this, or did I miss something else? JBTs are gonna JBT. They're gonna drop bombs on you, they're gonna bayonet you, they're gonna shoot you in your sleep and stomp your cat and then sprinkle some crack on you.
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It is because of the "first responder" stuff you mentioned.
 
David Nettleton

David Nettleton

Veteran Member
thorr said:
When I saw the video I thought not a smart move. Being an old man or a young child does not make you a non combatant.
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He had no business there, thorr. You're right. I think a younger person would have been able to recover from that push but he stepped back and tripped over his own feet. Still sad to see.
 
Millwright

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Sorry, dude was out there f'n with the cops.

He wasn't delivering cookies and I doubt he wandered off from a Alzhiemers ward.

When he reached out and touched the cop, that's assault.

How many peeps here would tee off on someone for the same crap?

He put himself in that position and is old enough to know better.
 
Tex88

Tex88

Veteran Member
Millwright said:
Definition
The definition of assault varies by jurisdiction, but is generally defined as intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Physical injury is not required.
www.law.cornell.edu

Assault

www.law.cornell.edu www.law.cornell.edu
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And if an all up-armored cop in his prime is filing his pants at the sight of a septuagenarian waving his phone in his general direction, he’s got the wrong job and should stick to muffin baking and basket weaving.
 
Millwright

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Tex88 said:
And if an all up-armored cop in his prime is filing his pants at the sight of a septuagenarian waving his phone in his general direction, he’s got the wrong job and should stick to muffin baking and basket weaving.
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In almost every other scenario, I would agree with you.

He was there to harass the cops and got shoved away.



I just can't muster much sympathy for him.
 
kyrsyan

kyrsyan

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Watched it a few times. The guy was physically blocking one cop that was trying to be gentle in pushing back. Then he reached over toward the other cop as if to block or grab something. The second cop was a bit aggressive but nothing I would blame him for in that situation. I think the actual problem was that, unplanned, they both pushed back against the guy at the same time. And one of those pushes came from the side with some force. (And if you watch and see the cop's face a few seconds later, the cop debates things himself.)
Tripped and fell... yes and no. If he'd been younger he'd have balanced that. He's not, so he went down.
As far as other officers marching on, quite a few went to stop and were directed to continue while one called it in and stayed close. Cops are not paramedics and can get in deep doodoo for trying to play one without the training. Since they didn't do a consciousness check, I'd guess that he was at least verbal. And, for those who don't know, head wounds bleed a lot. A whole lot for just small amounts of damage. I've taken a few in life.
I don't see a cause for firing. Maybe, at the outside, a cause for a write up on the second cop. But then not even 10 seconds later they have to use that level of strength to stop another protester. If you're going to run with the protesters and try to prevent the cops from doing their jobs, you run the risk of getting hurt. You don't get to use age as an excuse.
 
Meemur

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I just want to clarify: JBTs are not my friends, but I support my neighbors and the LEOs who who follow the law and are doing the best they can under sometimes terrible circumstances.
 
B

Bicycle Junkie

Resident dissident and troll
That poor man might die. He hit the back of his head on the concrete sidewalk and immediately blood started flowing out of his right ear. That is a severe brain-bleed injury.
 
NoMoreLibs

NoMoreLibs

Kill Commie's, Every Single One Of Them!
Hfcomms said:
I saw the video. It appears that a line of police were advancing to move the protestors back. The guy was standing up against them and a cop pushed him back. The man lost his balance and fell back hitting his head on the cement. It wasn’t a violent shove and appeared not to have been done to cause injury. One of the cops stopped and started talking into his shoulder mic to call for EMS. Unfortunate, but wasn’t intentional to cause injury. A 75 year old shouldn’t be resisting the clearing of a street.
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This in spades. Old guy shouldn't have been there. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
ShadowMan

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
I saw that video....there is ABSOLUTELY no excuse for pushing that Elder like that. It was totally uncalled for and down right EVIL. The officer that pushed him and anyone that walked by should be fired and banned for life from any kind of police work.

We have to stop this stupidity RIGHT FRIGGEN NOW!! Good GOD people, pull your heads out and exemplify your Christian ideals. We're AMERICANS...not heathens or idiots.
 
Bubble Head

Bubble Head

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Grandpa reached for something with his right hand on the officers duty belt. He gets a push back losing his balance and takes concrete to the back of his head. As he begins to go unconscious something falls out of his right hand. Can’t make out what it is but does look like a radio or small jammer. Would be interesting to see what’s in the report. Lesson here for slow learners. Don’t go to riots and reach for officers duty belts. Sad but true.
 
Bubble Head

Bubble Head

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Tex88 said:
And if an all up-armored cop in his prime is filing his pants at the sight of a septuagenarian waving his phone in his general direction, he’s got the wrong job and should stick to muffin baking and basket weaving.
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You got it a little ass backwards Tex88. That old boy should have been baking the muffins instead of advancing on a riot line. Gotta have shit for brains and vote Democrat to do that.
 
T

Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
I wonder what he thought was a good idea in walking up to a group of riot police and fking with them? With all of the riots, killings, burnings, shootings, draggings, bombings and so on going on and this fool decides he will take this opportunity to screw with the cops. Yes, the cop screwed the pooch dropping the guy but I still have no sympathy for him, he was looking for trouble and found it. Screw him.

My give a fk for any of these fools is gone, completely. We will be in a full civil war very soon and these turds are just tools bringing it about with their belief in white privilege, communism, ANTIFA and so on.
 
Satanta

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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thorr said:
When I saw the video I thought not a smart move. Being an old man or a young child does not make you a non combatant.
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Ask anyone who was in Vietnam or go watch some of the 'Jihadist Training their Kids' videos.

If I had to guess from my own street fight experience the Cops were wired on Adrenaline. There was an Obstacle in the way-it was not an Old Man, Kid or Elephant just an Obstacle that needed to be removed-all the while knowing the last Weeks' History and dealing with it day after day.
 
Tex88

Tex88

Veteran Member
Satanta said:
Ask anyone who was in Vietnam or go watch some of the 'Jihadist Training their Kids' videos.

If I had to guess from my own street fight experience the Cops were wired on Adrenaline. There was an Obstacle in the way-it was not an Old Man, Kid or Elephant just an Obstacle that needed to be removed-all the while knowing the last Weeks' History and dealing with it day after day.
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This isn’t Nam, Smokey, there are rules.
 
Ragnarok

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
kyrsyan said:
Watched it a few times. The guy was physically blocking one cop that was trying to be gentle in pushing back. Then he reached over toward the other cop as if to block or grab something. The second cop was a bit aggressive but nothing I would blame him for in that situation. I think the actual problem was that, unplanned, they both pushed back against the guy at the same time. And one of those pushes came from the side with some force. (And if you watch and see the cop's face a few seconds later, the cop debates things himself.)
Tripped and fell... yes and no. If he'd been younger he'd have balanced that. He's not, so he went down.
As far as other officers marching on, quite a few went to stop and were directed to continue while one called it in and stayed close. Cops are not paramedics and can get in deep doodoo for trying to play one without the training. Since they didn't do a consciousness check, I'd guess that he was at least verbal. And, for those who don't know, head wounds bleed a lot. A whole lot for just small amounts of damage. I've taken a few in life.
I don't see a cause for firing. Maybe, at the outside, a cause for a write up on the second cop. But then not even 10 seconds later they have to use that level of strength to stop another protester. If you're going to run with the protesters and try to prevent the cops from doing their jobs, you run the risk of getting hurt. You don't get to use age as an excuse.
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I have seen it from other departments. Hell, I have seen it used by my own teams. The guy is OBVIOUSLY old and fragile. WHY is it such a stretch of the imagination to have someone pull him to the side and talk with him? Why is the first default the use of force? What threat did the old timer pose to a 30 something officer in full battle-rattle?

Sorry, I will NEVER agree that this was the correct path to take.

It was not.

If you think it was, I hope you are not patrolling my streets.
 
Ragnarok

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
kyrsyan said:
Watched it a few times. The guy was physically blocking one cop that was trying to be gentle in pushing back. Then he reached over toward the other cop as if to block or grab something. The second cop was a bit aggressive but nothing I would blame him for in that situation. I think the actual problem was that, unplanned, they both pushed back against the guy at the same time. And one of those pushes came from the side with some force. (And if you watch and see the cop's face a few seconds later, the cop debates things himself.)
Tripped and fell... yes and no. If he'd been younger he'd have balanced that. He's not, so he went down.
As far as other officers marching on, quite a few went to stop and were directed to continue while one called it in and stayed close. Cops are not paramedics and can get in deep doodoo for trying to play one without the training. Since they didn't do a consciousness check, I'd guess that he was at least verbal. And, for those who don't know, head wounds bleed a lot. A whole lot for just small amounts of damage. I've taken a few in life.
I don't see a cause for firing. Maybe, at the outside, a cause for a write up on the second cop. But then not even 10 seconds later they have to use that level of strength to stop another protester. If you're going to run with the protesters and try to prevent the cops from doing their jobs, you run the risk of getting hurt. You don't get to use age as an excuse.
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With all due respect, you don't know what the Hell you are talking about.

ANYONE can render first aid and in many states are covered by a "Good Samaritan" law and New York does have this law. I don't know of any department that does not give their officers, at a minimum, CPR and first aid training. Those on an ERT team usually have further training.
 
bassaholic

bassaholic

Veteran Member
It's funny really. These kind of things are enough to divide people. There are people fighting over this online.

Yeah, he knows he shouldn't have been there. Maybe. He's old. Thinking could be off.

Yeah, he should have moved on when told to do so by LE.

But...at the same time, the officers know, even if this guy went balls out full swing on them, especially in their gear, he could do nothing. Absolutely nothing to them.

I'm neutral on this one but lean slightly to, the officers should have shown some restraint here.

Neutral also because the LEO's are under a bunch of stress at the time and are human as well.
 
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