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[Raggedyman]

Our legal system has very little to do with justice,

an absolutely correct statement
I will respectfully add the following observations to that discussion -​

in a previous incarnation I often found myself compelled to spend an abundance of my time as an "expert" witness. at one point - and continuing for very easily a minimum of 10 years - I found myself in court testifying as often as 2-3 times per month and in deposition often as frequently as 3 out of 5 days per week. that's a LOT of "simple citizen legal/courtroom experience". in that role I learned two very important facts quite well and incredibly quickly; NEITHER of which IMPROVED my levels of FAITH, CONFIDENCE and BELIEF in the "justice" system here in ameriKKa:

1. there is NO SUCH THING as honest to goodness "justice" in America; rather it's who puts on the best dog and pony show; who can (afford to) hire the best (aka "shiftiest") mouthpiece; who can best voir dire and REMOVE the potentially "problematic (for their client) juror(s). facts NOT at all unlike the problems attendant to the concept of "equal opportunity employment" - but reciprocally so.

2. most "judges" (SPIT) are hard core political pawns - worried a great deal more about that cushy retirement package and its attendant "drop" benefit than they are about real honest to goodness common sense and or MORAL interpretation and jury instruction. not only did I personally experience this first hand but I have TARD-IN-LAWS that were BOTH judges for over 20 years.

I assure you - several of the discussions I've had with these alleged "jurists" would make you vomit and pull out your hair in clumps. BTW do NOT lose sight of the fact that those cushy retirements and the concept of "golden handcuffs" FLY IN THE FACE of "a jury of YOUR peers" and "equal justice under the law". and don't lose sight of the fact that those inflated pensions aren't a significant financial burden to growing numbers of municipalities as well as YOUR property taxes.

BTW - if you don't think that ultra cushy "retirement package" isn't a "golden handcuff" acting in a fashion to ensure a certain level of "compliance" regarding the "decision making and jury instruction process", is insignificant - you are TRULY one of the leading sheep in your flock.

ANY DOUBT regarding that last part is easily rectified simply by looking around this once great nation and recognizing what the SOROS APPOINTED DA's no "bail in and out policies" and the resultant effect have had on criminal activity. if you don't believe "jury instruction" is significant ask yourself why the concept of JURY NULLIFICATION is of such great concern to their system.

doubt the veracity of any of that? then ask yourself one simple question: just WHO is running the dog and pony show here in ameriKKa today?

 

[kyrsyan]

My last wrangle with the law system was a few years back. I really don't want to repeat either of them although the second issue went much smoother than the first. Likely due to a really nice judge.

First issue, it became apparent on the very first day in the courtroom that the judge would believe any lawyer over a person representing themselves. The judge wouldn't even look to see if the lawyer was telling the truth. And in this situation, the judge actually had no legal experience themselves. That happens in areas where judges are elected into position and can snow the populace. End result was having to hire two lawyers, in two states, for an insane amount of money, to do what I had already done. They were the "face". I had already done the filings and written all the paperwork. It still ran over $10,000 for them to just appear at the courtroom for less than a half an hour each. And I'm seriously not joking. Both attorneys were more than a bit surprised with what I walked in the door with and what I did. Not that it saved me any fees, mind you.

Second issue, much simpler. And since I had already had to collect all the information for the first issue, I had everything for the second issue. The hardest part for this was actually getting my son into the courtroom because his presence was mandatory. It took 4 of us. We jokingly called ourselves his security team. And yes, we used several security team maneuvers to keep him safe. The judge had found an attorney that would give us 15 minutes pro bono. The whole thing didn't even take 15 minutes once we were before the judge. (I was a little less impressed with the attorney when he said that he was going to charge those 15 minutes to his earlier clients. And yes, he did say that, and in front of the judge, who didn't look very happy about it either.) Regardless, my son got through it and was so fond of the judge that he did a bolt a few months later to go try to find that judge's office. (Tag office is in the same building.)

 

[Iowa Wiley]

for the benefit of dummies like me . . . .WTH is "ESG"???

indeed -
and it must change as of
YESTERDAY​

Environmental, Social, and Governance scoring. Basically if you don't behave and have the proper amount of solar panels and your electric car, and then cowtow to the PTB on all your Social media, and knuckle under to all their bullshit laws, they will just make it so you won't have a bank account or be able to keep your job or insure your house or license your car or etc.,etc., etc. It is the Mao model.

 

[Raggedyman]

Environmental, Social, and Governance scoring. Basically if you don't behave and have the proper amount of solar panels and your electric car, and then cowtow to the PTB on all your Social media, and knuckle under to all their bullshit laws, they will just make it so you won't have a bank account or be able to keep your job or insure your house or license your car or etc.,etc., etc. It is the Mao model.

thank you for that info . . . didn't know WHAT it was but didn't expect the SUC to be quite that monumental either

 

[Tex88]

Stand up and be your own lawyer, that too, will save you alot of cash.
If you are a man!!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM

 

[Raggedyman]

Dude, we’ve been discussing this for a couple years now.

Keep up man.

in that I don't text, acronyms aren't something I use very much. keeping (in memory) a set of three letters that could mean a variety of things in different contexts has been mentioned here as occasionally difficult previously by others as well. I missed it in the OP - my bad.

In the rare instance I have used such things - here as well as elsewhere - I do so like this:
ABC ("anything but common") and go on from there. I would think that little bit of time isn't a burden on any one and would be considered courteous by others. NONE of that is meant to reflect on you Wiley. . .

we are less that we once were as a society and culture. IMHO that is in no small part by the FACT that we've become accustomed to texting people in the next room rather than walking over to actually SPEAK and sitting around dinner tables silently reinforcing our small screen addictions.

IMHO things like this are contributory to that. as always YMMV but that the view from here

 

[Griz3752]

Seriously the Supreme Court ruling they did with the EPA V. West Virginia can be used to fight off the ATF.
Congress never gave them or any government agency the authority to make administrative law or promulgate law.
There is talk all over YouTube about this and they're all just waiting for someone to use it and make the firearms part of ATF useless.

Not sure how that would happen, given the current Administration mindless animus towards fire arms in general.

 

[Dozdoats]

Environmental, Social, and Governance

AKA social credit score, as in Commie Chyna.

 

[Dennis Olson]

thank you for that info . . . didn't know WHAT it was but didn't expect the SUC to be quite that monumental either

All you had to do was click the link I gave you. WTF dude?

 

[Publius]

Not sure how that would happen, given the current Administration mindless animus towards fire arms in general.

Simple you bring it up as part of your defense and its a Supreme Court ruling and the jury will go along and the judge wants to keep their job sitting on that bench will also go along with what the Supreme Court said and all government agency's have not the authority to make laws only congress does.

 

[Dobbin]

and you have no idea what these items are designed for.

Golf club heads...

Oh nooooos. Tiger Woods is going to be PISSED!

Dobbin

 

[Raggedyman]

All you had to do was click the link I gave you. WTF dude?

TWO questions:
a) what is it that makes you think I didn't click on the link you kindly supplied

AND

b) do you realize that post #44 is me thanking wiley for responding to mine of earlier (#36) which predates and has NOTHING to do with your kindly supplying the link at #38?

acknowledging that I'm not necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer 24/7/365, other than the fact I failed to acknowledge the kindness as I probably should have I'm a little puzzled at your "WTF".

 

[Satanta]

Vetter call Saul!

I hope your endeavor works. I would have been popping red flags with the first question and simoPply obfuscated the reality.

Not ure how it will work, the company has the right to refuse shippinf and youd have to make a direct connection to a fed telling them what to not shup.

 

[night driver]

SERIOUSLY hope yer using J-D-Beavis & Buthead (B&B USED to be Reavis and Pogue) as they are big enough to command a TAD bit of respect.

 

[Babs]

XPO Logistics are and have been so woke since 2020 and they are out of control. They have denied (refused) loads driven by white men of a certain (undefined persuasion) without giving a reason. NOT WOKE!

There are so many carriers and LTL carriers who don't care what they are hauling so long as it is legal at the time of the order.

It's funny you wrote this. For the first time today, because of this thread, I noticed an XPO Logistics on the road today. BIG black guy driving it, in North Idaho.

 

[mattbert]

an absolutely correct statement
I will respectfully add the following observations to that discussion -​

in a previous incarnation I was in the position to be required to spend an abundance of my time as an "expert" witness. at one point - and continuing for very easily a minimum of 10 years - I found myself in court testifying as often as 2-3 times per month; in deposition often as frequently as 3 out of 5 days per week. that's a LOT of "private citizen legal/courtroom experience". in that role I learned two very important facts very well and incredibly quickly; NEITHER of which IMPROVED my levels of FAITH, CONFIDENCE and BELIEF in the "justice" system here in ameriKKa:

1. there is NO SUCH THING as honest to goodness "justice" in America; rather it's who puts on the best dog and pony show; who can (afford to) hire the best (aka "shiftiestest") mouthpiece; who can voir dire and REMOVE the potentially "problematic (for their client) juror(s). facts NOT at all unlike the problems attendant to the concept of "equal opportunity employment" - but reciprocally so.

2. most "judges" (SPIT) are hard core political pawns - worried a great deal more about that cushy retirement package and its attendant "drop" benefit than they are about real honest to goodness common sense and or MORAL interpretation and jury instruction. not only did I personally experience this first hand but I have TARD-IN-LAWS that were BOTH judges.

I assure you - several of the discussions I've had with these alleged "jurists" would make you vomit and pull out your hair in clumps. BTW do NOT lose sight of the fact that those cushy retirements and the concept of "golden handcuffs" not only FLY IN THE FACE of "a jury of YOUR peers "but" equal justice under the law". and don't think those inflated pensions aren't a significant financial burden to growing numbers of municipalities AND YOUR property taxes.

doubt the veracity of any of that? just ask yourself one simple question: WHO is running the dog and pony show here in ameriKKa today . . .

BTW - if you don't think that ultra cushy "retirement package" isn't a "golden handcuff" acting in a fashion to ensure a certain level of "compliance" regarding the "decision making and jury instruction process", isn't significant you are TRULY one of the lead sheep in your flock.

ANY DOUBT about that last part should be easily removed simply by looking around this once great nation and recognizing the SOROS APPOINTED DA's no "bail in and out policies" and the resultant effect its had on criminal activity; if you don't believe "jury instruction" is significant ask yourself why the concept of JURY NULLIFICATION is of such a great concern.

Thank you. A few more thoughts in general…

I was involved in a lawsuit a while back as a plaintiff. Had 6 figures in damages. Atty said ‘we have a good case’, ‘we should win’, etc. They don’t tell you the economics of anything in either real money or emotional cost.

I was $50,000 into the case and considering whether to go to trial. It was a game of chicken… who would run out of money first.

Wound up settling and netting $30,000 giving up almost a year of my life and nearly bankrupting my business. Attorneys will investigate, research, litigate, etc., as much as you want. And you will pay for all of it.

Oh, and if it gets to a jury you have to depend on 12 jurors being smart enough and ethical enough to see your side of things. And if they don’t, too bad. Might cost you $100,000 for the privilege of going to trial.

Being “right“ can cost you $100k+.

Be real sure what being “right” is worth to you and your family, because the lawyers will get paid either way.

mattbert

 

[Voortrekker]

And after the balloon goes up and the rule of law is the law of the jungle, how surprised they are when that contingency has been thought out, planned and rehearsed. Forget aftermath non-sense. Law of the Jungle is never recalled.

 

[Dennis Olson]

mattbert, that’s like a little saying I heard many years ago, that I incorporated into my life. It applies to averything in life:

Being dead right is still dead.

 

[Thinwater]

Thank you. A few more thoughts in general…

I was involved in a lawsuit a while back as a plaintiff. Had 6 figures in damages. Atty said ‘we have a good case’, ‘we should win’, etc. They don’t tell you the economics of anything in either real money or emotional cost.

I was $50,000 into the case and considering whether to go to trial. It was a game of chicken… who would run out of money first.

Wound up settling and netting $30,000 giving up almost a year of my life and nearly bankrupting my business. Attorneys will investigate, research, litigate, etc., as much as you want. And you will pay for all of it.

Oh, and if it gets to a jury you have to depend on 12 jurors being smart enough and ethical enough to see your side of things. And if they don’t, too bad. Might cost you $100,000 for the privilege of going to trial.

Being “right“ can cost you $100k+.

Be real sure what being “right” is worth to you and your family, because the lawyers will get paid either way.

mattbert

We have lost a tremendous amount to lawyers when we were right a couple of times. It sucks.

 

[mattbert]

mattbert, that’s like a little saying I heard many years ago, that I incorporated into my life. It applies to averything in life:

Being dead right is still dead.

You got it Dennis!!

mattbert

 

[mattbert]

We have lost a tremendous amount to lawyers when we were right a couple of times. It sucks.

Thank you it sure does!

mattbert

 

[Thinwater]

I fear we may be done this time. Several of our attorneys are advising us to shut down sales on Aug 24 if the ATF does not re certify our 80 percent receiver as a non firearm.

They will not return my calls or reply to my certification request.

14 years in business. 14 current employees. 2 weeks left, then they will all be gone.

 

[Meadowlark]

Stand up and be your own lawyer, that too, will save you alot of cash.
If you are a man!!

Sure, sounds bold, like something John Wayne would do. Then later on the cops show up and you get to wear pretty bracelets behind your back as they take you down town for booking. Then you get to share a cell with Tyrone, a bunch of drunks and the crazy guy who thinks the cia is in his head, who pees on the floor. Then you face a judge who sets a high bail which you cannot meet. Oops so much for habeus corpus.

 

[colonel holman]

We have lost a tremendous amount to lawyers when we were right a couple of times. It sucks.

THIS is how fedgov exerts overwhelming power.
They don’t have to be right, or legal, or ethical… at all.
All they need do is force you to comply by swamping you with legal costs.
Either way, they win.

And if you happen to have the $$$ to afford decent lawyers, all they need do is shut down your banking access, and that of whatever lawyers had the balls to represent you.
Either way, they win.

Looking more and more like they have already won.
Time for mop-up

 

[Dennis Olson]

I fear we may be done this time. Several of our attorneys are advising us to shut down sales on Aug 24 if the ATF does not re certify our 80 percent receiver as a non firearm.

They will not return my calls or reply to my certification request.

14 years in business. 14 current employees. 2 weeks left, then they will all be gone.

Deutschland uber alles…..

 

[Txkstew]

The last two jury's I served on, I was surprised how fast they were to come to a vote. Both times they voted the way I wanted to. One time it went so fast, I had to say slow down and lets look at this box of evidence and watch the video.

Last time, the judge asked we stay in the jury room until she could talk to us. She came in all smiles and said we did right. I know we did right. People dodge jury duty, when that's all we have power over, in the system. The people I served with, were not an impressive bunch, until they did right.