CRISIS Ammo shortage about to get even worse

Tristan

Tristan

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Regarding the shortage and the reason for the OP, I think we're at the point that:

You should get what you need
from among the products available
that you can afford
when and where you can find it.

Otherwise, don't worry about it.

Trying to stockpile at this point just keeps the problem on-going...
 
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Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
Tristan said:
Cool!

Also, was referring to the trolling motor mount. :D
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I just pored one in aluminum and it bubbled up all over. The sand was to moist, it got rained on while I was melting the metal. I will let the sand dry out for a day or two then try again.

I was melting down AR15 receivers to make the trolling motor mount. They were out of spec, no good AR15's were harmed in the making of this picture.
 

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bobfall2005

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If you are short on ammo, why the f$&- are you typing here?
Get off your ass and start looking.

Tula is shipping.
Norma ball ammo is shipping.
Federal ball is shipping.
And Winchester NATO is locked in.

Took me 5 hours and it emptied a card.

As for the prices, they ain't going to get better.

Less typing, more prepping.
 
rbt

rbt

Veteran Member
I do not anticipate lasting longer than my ammo supply.

But I REALLY wanted a JAKAL .........
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I feel the same was hoping this might quit down, but think it was wishful thinking. I shoot a lot but don’t get into my supplies.
 
EMICT

EMICT

Veteran Member
Does anyone here know, or have had experience with, the CMMG Bravo .22 LR Conversion Kit? Seems like that may be an alternative to the availability issues of the 5.56 ammo. .22LR is still available at around 10 cents per round for the copper coated RN and HP.
 
SmithJ

SmithJ

Veteran Member
EMICT said:
Does anyone here know, or have had experience with, the CMMG Bravo .22 LR Conversion Kit? Seems like that may be an alternative to the availability issues of the 5.56 ammo. .22LR is still available at around 10 cents per round for the copper coated RN and HP.
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If I were you, I’d buy the ammo before I bought the kit. Don’t wait too long if you want it.
 
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bobfall2005

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EMICT said:
Does anyone here know, or have had experience with, the CMMG Bravo .22 LR Conversion Kit? Seems like that may be an alternative to the availability issues of the 5.56 ammo. .22LR is still available at around 10 cents per round for the copper coated RN and HP.
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I don't bother with conversion kits.
The purpose built .22 ar rifles are reliable.
And not a ton of bread.
 
Tristan

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
rbt said:
I do not anticipate lasting longer than my ammo supply.

But I REALLY wanted a JAKAL .........
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I feel the same was hoping this might quit down, but think it was wishful thinking. I shoot a lot but don’t get into my supplies.
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No calming down till either after the election, or way, way after the election.

Or maybe, never. :shr:

Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances.
 
biere

biere

Veteran Member
22lr ar stuff is a monster discussion. Here is my knowledge and opinion on some parts of it.

The s&w 22 ar15 thing, I forget their name for it, is not accepted at appleseed events. If you don't know what appleseed is, do a search. Cheap training on how to use your rifle. Posts I read say a s&w 22lr ar15 thing had an out of battery discharge. Brass from the gun went into the shooter next to the rifle with out of battery discharge. Appleseed and owner of rifle asked s&w "wtf" in a kind manner and never got an answer. I don't know if it was dirty or what, but appleseed specifically singles out this rifle and says don't show up with it.

You can buy complete 22lr rifles from mossberg and others or just buy uppers and some of them use the cmmg conversion setup mentioned. If you already own a conversion from cmmg you can research how to buy a collar and a barrel and build yourself a 22lr upper using it. Course using it as a conversion is fine as well.

Many people find 22lr coming out of the ar15s barrel is not that accurate. There are various twist rates the ar15 has used over the years and obviously some 22lr may work better than others.

Using the conversion in your normal ar15 can cause a build up of "yuck" in the gas tube. So many people say to fire some centerfire rounds now and then to blow it out course now you just blew it back into other parts of the gun.

A 22lr upper has no gas tube so you don't have this issue.

On 22lr ammo, there is a goofy 60gr 22lr round out there that used 22 short brass. Note the 60 gr bullet weight, many 22lr bullet weights are 30 to 40 gr. The 60 gr seems to do alright out of the common ar15 barrels, heavier bullet similar in weight to a lot of the common ar15 rounds like the m193 coming in at 55 gr or the m855 at 62 gr.

Cmmg uses black dog mags but there is a conversion out there to let it use the s&w 22lr mags that people tend to prefer.

I am tired from work and not searching for links, sorry. Quick searches on youtube will show you most of this and explain it better.

I got an email on the cmmg conversion few days ago, it sold out at a bit under $200 bucks. Got another one at a little bit over $200 bucks and I think it is still in stock. Was earlier yesterday. So conversions are going up in price is my opinion.
 
EMICT

EMICT

Veteran Member
sgammo.com just received 5.56 Federal American Eagle Green Tip (mfg Lake City) in 1000 round bulk box. $549 per box, limit 2.
 
1911user

1911user

Veteran Member
EMICT said:
sgammo.com just received 5.56 Federal American Eagle Green Tip (mfg Lake City) in 1000 round bulk box. $549 per box, limit 2.
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some 9mm and 45acp now in stock; FMJ and JHP for both calibers.

(9mm FMJ is $22/box of 50 in a case of 1000rds ouch!)

EDIT: the 9mm is all gone, but 45acp FMJ and JHP (Sellior and Bellot brand) still available along with several options for 40 JHP.

20 gauge #2 buckshot; $200 for 250.
12 gauge 00 buckshot; $250 for 250.

380 JHP; $27 for 20, limit 4
38 Special LRN; $23 per box of 50, limit 5
 
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bobfall2005

Veteran Member
Getting few email flashes.
I put out 40 requests, for ammo availability.
It's there.
It will show in many places.
And be bought up in a few ticks of the clock.

You got have your ears open.
And.
Move fast.

There is still time to get stuff.

But,
If your not willing to hustle durring resource scarity.
It's going to someone else who is.
 
Shooter

Shooter

Veteran Member
This is from when sparklefart got elected and the ammo shortage then, guess people didnt learn a thing,

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shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
EMICT said:
sgammo.com just received 5.56 Federal American Eagle Green Tip (mfg Lake City) in 1000 round bulk box. $549 per box, limit 2.
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Thanks, got two cases ordered, much appreciated!

Was overdue for another big dose of BMA* to get my
BP calmed back down what with all the latest craziness.
*BMA --> Buy More Ammo

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 
EMICT

EMICT

Veteran Member
shane said:
Thanks, got two cases ordered, much appreciated!

Was overdue for another big dose of BMA* to get my
BP calmed back down what with all the latest craziness.
*BMA --> Buy More Ammo

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
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I have to admit, I didn't post it here until my order was placed.
 
Anti-Liberal

Anti-Liberal

Veteran Member
EMICT said:
Seven cases left at time of this posting.
www.sgammo.com

1000 Round Case - 5.56mm 62 Grain Green Tip - Federal American Eagle XM855CSF AR-15 Ammo Made by Lake City - Limit 2 | SGAmmo.com

SGAmmo.com, bulk ammo sold by the case at the best lowest prices for sale anywhere online
www.sgammo.com www.sgammo.com
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I got half that sitting in my smaller safe, the guys on AR15 dot com says it's crap ammo and to just get M193. I guess if it's the only thing available then there's not much choice. Through the years I just bought what was on sale and ended up with about a 1/2 pallet of several calibers. I think I feel the need to go boating.
 
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mecoastie

Veteran Member
Anti-Liberal said:
I got half that sitting in my smaller safe, the guys on AR15 dot com says it's crap ammo and to just get M193. I guess if it's the only thing available then there's not much choice. Through the years I just bought what was on sale and ended up with about a 1/2 pallet of several calibers. I think I feel the need to go boating.
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Did you have any issues with it?
 
Anti-Liberal

Anti-Liberal

Veteran Member
mecoastie said:
Did you have any issues with it?
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None at all, just saying the ar15 guys had alot of negative opinions on it. They are a huge group of experienced people over there but I'm just a backyard plinker. When the PTB were trying to make the stuff illegal, that's when negative opinions about it surfaced.
 
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marsofold

Veteran Member
Anti-Liberal said:
the guys on AR15 dot com says it's crap ammo and to just get M193.
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They are correct. My supply is all M193. The dirty little secret of 5.56mm is that M193 only reliably fragments above 2650 feet/second velocity, which for a 16" barrel is about 400 feet away. Further than that the round is just like a 1/4" diameter icepick. The heavier 62 grain M855's fragmenting range is even shorter. Some of the veterans at that site probably remember using a short barrel M16 with even less muzzle velocity, which made the 62 grain M855 bullet's fragmenting range very short. The modern 77grain bullets' design have fixed this problem, but they are much more expensive. And if your rifle has a twist rate of 1:9 common in older rifles, it will not stabilize bullets over 68 grains, so you can't use the 77 grain bullets. Go with M193 if you can find it, instead of the 62 grain M855 ammo.
 
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ArisenCarcass

ArisenCarcass

Veteran Member
EMICT said:
Does anyone here know, or have had experience with, the CMMG Bravo .22 LR Conversion Kit? Seems like that may be an alternative to the availability issues of the 5.56 ammo. .22LR is still available at around 10 cents per round for the copper coated RN and HP.
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I have had a couple of those kits over the years.
If you have a lightly used (read not abused and shot out) in-spec AR barrel the accuracy is pretty decent to about 75 yards (index card hits, if you know your holdovers).
Barrel twist doesn't seem to matter much, except that short barrels need a tighter twist (1:7).
I've used them on quite a few squirrel hunts, with great results.

For what they are, a training tool, they do the job well.
If you are an avid AR-runner, then the cost isn't bad considering that you get to use the same trigger and setup from your go-to gun.

I have heard the horror stories, but I've had more trouble from 10-22s and GSGs than I've ever had from the .22lr kits.
I like them so much so that I built an AR a couple years ago (Trump-slump cheap) to home the .22lr kits exclusively and sold the others (but I keep the extra full size BCG just in case).
Now the problem is I don't want to shoot up all my ammo, since resupply is.....questionable (I only shoot Aguila 40gr SCHV).
 
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dvo

Veteran Member
marsofold said:
They are correct. My supply is all M193. The dirty little secret of 5.56mm is that M193 only reliably fragments above 2650 feet/second velocity, which for a 16" barrel is about 400 feet away. Further than that the round is just like a 1/4" diameter icepick. The heavier 62 grain M855's fragmenting range is even shorter. Some of the veterans at that site probably remember using a short barrel M16 with even less muzzle velocity, which made the 62 grain M855 bullet's fragmenting range very short. The modern 77grain bullets' design have fixed this problem, but they are much more expensive. And if your rifle has a twist rate of 1:9 common in older rifles, it will not stabilize bullets over 68 grains, so you can't use the 77 grain bullets. Go with M193 if you can find it, instead of the 62 grain M855 ammo.
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Uh...no. You spent too much time at that stupid site. Drank the kool aid. What a 1/9 twist barrel will stabilize depends on the barrel. You need to see for yourself. The crowd that hangs out there seem to have a ammo flavor of the day. If it isn’t the flavor of the day, your ammo is then crap to them. But if you want to send me all of your terrible M855, I’ll pay the shipping.

Really, there is a small amount of technical knowledge there that can be valuable. Otherwise, it is a hangout for idiotic 20-something males. JMHO
 
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marsofold

Veteran Member
dvo said:
Uh...no. You spent too much time at that stupid site. Drank the kool aid. What a 1/9 twist barrel will stabilize depends on the barrel. You need to see for yourself. The crowd that hangs out there seem to have a ammo flavor of the day. If it isn’t the flavor of the day, your ammo is then crap to them. But if you want to send me all of your terrible M855, I’ll pay the shipping.

Really, there is a small amount of technical knowledge there that can be valuable. Otherwise, it is a hangout for idiotic 20-something males. JMHO
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I was not endorsing the site in particular. However, even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut. I am a member at lotsa gun sites, and virtually all of them agree with my opinion of M855, as do multiple online testing sites. I own several 5.56mm rifles, and am a reloader, so I'm not just a parrot spouting the theme of the day. If you had taken the time to actually read what I wrote, you might have discovered that I had stated that all of my 5.56mm ammo was M193. So your smartass offer to "send me all of your terrible M855" was written in ignorance. As was the rest of your post.
 
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