CRISIS Ammo shortage about to get even worse
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1911user
Veteran Member
This should be a bargain compared to the $2.18 rounds. $1.30 per round for 9mm gold dot JHP 124gr+P in a case of 200 rounds. For someone who has a 9mm and no JHP, this is not horrible pricing for now.
I'm just glad I'm not having to buy it. I have some HST already and bought a 1000 124gr 9mm JHP bullets to reload if the mood strikes. I had to pay up front late June and wait a month for those. Now the backorder wait is 2 months.
www.sgammo.com
EDIT: It's all sold.
I'm just glad I'm not having to buy it. I have some HST already and bought a 1000 124gr 9mm JHP bullets to reload if the mood strikes. I had to pay up front late June and wait a month for those. Now the backorder wait is 2 months.
200 Round Case - 9mm Luger +P 124 Grain GDHP Speer Gold Dot Personal Protection Ammo - 23617GD | SGAmmo.com
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EDIT: It's all sold.
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This was MAY ... how fast things change.
-- 1000rnds Federal Syntech Action Pistol 9mm Luger Ammo $251.98 FREE S&H
-- 1000rnds Federal Syntech Action Pistol 9mm Luger Ammo $251.98 FREE S&H
mbabulldog
Inactive
with all due respect to the guys on ar15, it's not crap. i carry it in my patrol rifle, and with 2 "incidents" under my belt it works just fine.
Anti-Liberal
Veteran Member
Ok, it's not crap. But it's no more armor piercing than M193, that's what the argument is about. It's got a WHOLE 10gr of steel and a green tip. In fact alot of people that have tested it say they'd rather have M193 for penetration. As far as it being a carry round I'm sure not too many people would object.
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Line Doggie
Contributing Member
Just got 100 rds of M193 at Rural King for about 30$. They seem to have .308 and the new 6.5 Creedmore stuff a lot too.
Nobody's been low on shotgun shells. It's mostly carry pistol ammo. .44 mag is around at normal prices too.
Nobody's been low on shotgun shells. It's mostly carry pistol ammo. .44 mag is around at normal prices too.
155 arty
Veteran Member
Y'all feel free to stand around but me ? I'm slinging rounds down range ,pretty sure who I hit ain't gonna be quibbling about how effectively I just put a hole in his chest....just sayin ....at this point if you can hit shit at 300 meters or less and it is going faster than 1500 fps it don't matter
I wouldn’t try to get a 300 meter hit with an AR15. IMO that’s a CQB rifle only. Now an AR10 could reach out and touch someone effectively.
Anti-Liberal
Veteran Member
Hitting things out to 300 meters isn't difficult, it's doing it while rounds are incoming that's impressive.
Anti-Liberal
Veteran Member
I was continually hitting a 200 yard torso sized gong standing up shooting my 16" M4 with no sling that Thinwater built me. You'd be surprised at what you can hit if you observe a few of the 10 rules.
My eyes are slowly failing and I use a 1x red dot scope.
Squib
Veteran Member
Well I’m roughly your age, Dennis. Eyes, and other things going bad in me, but 300 meter shot isn’t much with a 5.56 round. With the wide open, big skies around Montana it seems fairly short.
And your 308/7.62 NATO that’s a 1000 meter round if you want that - especially with the Stoner platform!
When to shoulder the rifle can you see the front sight clearly?
If so you eyes are working well enough to use Iron sights, Just find the target and then focus on that front sight the target for many will be a blob off in the distance. If you work at it with no ammo in the rifle and if your eyes are up to it, it is posable to train yourself to focus on that front sight and clearly see the front sight and the target at the same time.
This applies to rifle and pistols but with pistols you use both eyes.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Even though I was a navy Corpsman I qualified annually at the Expert Level for over twenty years on Marine Corps ranges with the M-16 and M-16A1 as well as the Colt .45 and later the Beretta 92-9mm. Basically if I can see it....I can hit it. I will admit that I'd rather use a .30 caliber rifle when we're talking ranges beyond two to three hundred yards, but if I have to range out further....I can.
The basic idea for my interest in making sure I qualified at the best level was that as a Corpsman my primary job was not as a "shooter" but a healer, however, if the shiite totally hits the fan and I'm forced to pick up a weapon then we're really in some deep deep kimchee and I don't have time to "F" around. I want the threat dead - dead - dead so I could get back to saving lives. Fortunately, my Marines never put me in the position that I had to defend myself or my patients. OOOOH RAH!! SEMPER FI!!
The basic idea for my interest in making sure I qualified at the best level was that as a Corpsman my primary job was not as a "shooter" but a healer, however, if the shiite totally hits the fan and I'm forced to pick up a weapon then we're really in some deep deep kimchee and I don't have time to "F" around. I want the threat dead - dead - dead so I could get back to saving lives. Fortunately, my Marines never put me in the position that I had to defend myself or my patients. OOOOH RAH!! SEMPER FI!!
I have BUIS on all my rifles, and I worked hard to coregister them to the scopes. But I’d only use them in a true emergency. Even 20 years ago I could use iron sights with no trouble at all. It sucks getting old...
I shot an inch and quarter group with my truck gun the other day....with peeps. A rack grade DPMS and bulk Federal 55g ammo from wallyworld.
Surprised the hell out of me.
The kind of thing that always happens without a witness.
Probably couldn't do it again to save my life.
Surprised the hell out of me.
The kind of thing that always happens without a witness.
Probably couldn't do it again to save my life.
teedee
Veteran Member
My dad was a target shooter, even shot camp Perry once back in the day. He had just purchased a .222 and was working up a load for it. He was shooting at 200 yards and the best he could do was about a 6" group. I said let me try and promptly shot a 2" group. He wanted me to try another 5 shots but I just quit while I was ahead. I figured I was going left when the bullet was going right and they just canceled out. I don't remember him ever getting that gun to shoot much better than 2 min of angle.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
My usual fallback 9mm is Federal 147 gr. truncated cone FMJ. Even it is now mostly unobtanium. Last 9 fodder I got before total nutzoid was a case of 130 gr. SynTech from Federal. I thought it was flat point too - it isn't. Quite. But it will do.
Have you tested any for expansion, yet?
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
No offense intended, but 300 yds from an AR is pretty easy. Maybe not the tightest groups, but certainly lethal. You mentioned that you had eye trouble, Dennis. That might well be the reason you can't make effective 300 yd. shots with an AR. I hope you've had a doctor check your eyes.
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Doc
I’ve been seeing an eye doctor for years. If I put a 4-6x scope on them, I could easily hit at that range. But not with a 1x red dot.
Have you tested any for expansion, yet?
No, but they make nice .35 holes
There was a 'blue' SynTech bullet made for defense that shed four petals when it expanded and left the main core to go on. I guess it is coated sorta like the old NyClad stuff I liked way back when.
www.federalpremium.com
No, but they make nice .35 holes
There was a 'blue' SynTech bullet made for defense that shed four petals when it expanded and left the main core to go on. I guess it is coated sorta like the old NyClad stuff I liked way back when.
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Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Have you tested any for expansion, yet?
No, but they make nice .35 holes
There was a 'blue' SynTech bullet made for defense that shed four petals when it expanded and left the main core to go on. I guess it is coated sorta like the old NyClad stuff I liked way back when.
Buy Syntech Defense for USD 22.99 | Federal Ammunition
Shopping for the Syntech Defense - Learn more about the latest Syntech Defense and other hunting or shooting gear at Federal Ammunition.
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1911user
Veteran Member
For a multi-purpose rifle, I'm a fan of the low power variable optic (LVPO). It adds a little weight compared to a small red dot, but can be on 1x (preferably) for close/fast or up 6x/8x for distance. Some have distance/wind/drop compensation in the reticle as well. It also solves many of the "old eyes" issues.
155 arty
Veteran Member
Seriously?
155 arty
Veteran Member
There it is ! That is where the rubber meets the road
155 arty
Veteran Member
Most of my rifles are set at battfeld zero..300 yrds
That may or may not be impressive.
Post the Rx for your glasses.
As you age, the focusing part of the eye loses elasticity and makes it damned hard to focus on multiple planes.
If you don't shoot with peeps frequently, it's a hard thing to overcome.
There is also a big difference between shooting the Military Course of Competition and precision shooting.
ETA: There is something to be said for underestimating your ability.
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West
Senior
That may or may not be impressive.
Post the Rx for your glasses.
As you age, the focusing part of the eye loses elasticity and makes it damned hard to focus on multiple planes.
If you don't shoot with peeps frequently, it's a hard thing to overcome.
There is also a big difference between shooting the Military Course of Competition and precision shooting.
ETA: There is something to be said for underestimating your ability.
Agree!
If it's a safe shot, take it. Have seen many people not take shots because of one stupid reason or another, hunting big game.
I've shot many deer and a couple bears running. And over 300 yards. And still made good shots with little to no wasted meat, half the time
.Know your rifle and your ammo, like a extra arm.
155 arty
Veteran Member
I will put my long range skills against almost anyone I know minus one guy ....he is a minimum 1000 yrd guy and real good at 1500 ....but he shoots match year round with a Barrett m107 night force 24x just don't have that kinda moneyAgree!
If it's a safe shot, take it. Have seen many people not take shots because of one stupid reason or another, hunting big game.
I've shot many deer and a couple bears running. And over 300 yards. And still made good shots with little to no wasted meat, half the time
Know your rifle and your ammo, like a extra arm.
155 arty
Veteran Member
Yes it does !
rbt
Veteran Member
I had cataract surgery almost 10 years ago told the doc I wanted lenses I could see out of glass he understood what I meant by glass, scope, spotting scope, etc. not as good as youth but happy. Sighted in an AR peep last week works. Reading this thread and others guess I’ll go inventory my 300 mag ammo today don’t have the rifle lol but that’s not a problem. Like everything 300 yard + shooting takes practice.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
That is a question for everyone! I love the red dot and it is great to use. How can you magnify it or the background a bit to make it easier to see say 100 yards.
This is a random example.
The Bushnell AR Optics Transition 3x Magnifier offers instant red dot magnification when you want it and flips out of the way when you don't. The included ambidextrous flip mount quickly attaches to your accessory rail, and fully multi-coated optics deliver crisp, bright images. Add some power to your favorite red dot with the Bushnell AR Optics Transition 3x Magnifier.
The Bushnell AR Optics Transition 3x magnifier offers instant red dot magnification when you want it and flips out of the way when you don't. It pairs perfectly with the Bushnell TRS-25 Red Dot but is compatible with any red dot optic. The included ambidextrous flip mount quickly attaches to your accessory rail, and fully multi-coated optics deliver crisp, bright images. Add some power to your favorite red dot with the Bushnell AR Optics Transition 3x magnifier.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
This is what I was thinking, but could not put a finger on. thankyouThis is a random example.
The Bushnell AR Optics Transition 3x Magnifier offers instant red dot magnification when you want it and flips out of the way when you don't. The included ambidextrous flip mount quickly attaches to your accessory rail, and fully multi-coated optics deliver crisp, bright images. Add some power to your favorite red dot with the Bushnell AR Optics Transition 3x Magnifier.
The Bushnell AR Optics Transition 3x magnifier offers instant red dot magnification when you want it and flips out of the way when you don't. It pairs perfectly with the Bushnell TRS-25 Red Dot but is compatible with any red dot optic. The included ambidextrous flip mount quickly attaches to your accessory rail, and fully multi-coated optics deliver crisp, bright images. Add some power to your favorite red dot with the Bushnell AR Optics Transition 3x magnifier.