FASCISM AI RECONSTRUCTS HITLER'S SPEECH TO ENGLISH (Extended)(speech 1/30/39)
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Hfcomms
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Hfcomms, your ability to peer into the completely PRIVATE conversations Hitler had with his inner staff is amazing. You must be a clairvoyant time-traveler.
Didn’t you read where I got my information from? From authors of books who were in Hitler’s inner circle and from interviews conducted with a number of these people at the Nuremberg trials. Your response shows you are not up to having a serious conversation about the issue.
AlfaMan
We're all Devo!
The AI generated version doesn't carry the force of Hitler's oratory. It's just words, translated to a language we understand. Meh.......
I'm going to post a few videos here you might find interesting. The first is Triumph of the Will, a film about the 1934 Nuremberg rally. It's in parts; the last two have Hitler speaking. I believe this rally was held shortly after the Rohm putsch, either that or after Rohm's trial trying to beat section 175 charges.
Hitler's speech style was enough to mesemerize half a million people at this rally.
This movie is fully English captioned.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PClcUxNc_M&list=PLfwcUfQK9sqiwjTt9984DxP1SFUyFS20S&index=1
I'm going to post a few videos here you might find interesting. The first is Triumph of the Will, a film about the 1934 Nuremberg rally. It's in parts; the last two have Hitler speaking. I believe this rally was held shortly after the Rohm putsch, either that or after Rohm's trial trying to beat section 175 charges.
Hitler's speech style was enough to mesemerize half a million people at this rally.
This movie is fully English captioned.
Teeja
On the Beach
Yes, I did, and i've read those books - Speer, Bird, Gilbert.
I doubt you're as well-read on this subject as I am. I haven't read everything, but I didn't read those books as though they were gospel truth.
I have read thousands of pages from books on these issues, many of which are first-person accounts. The books I've read thus far include:
Mein Kampf (both volumes, complete and NOT the "Jewish approved versions")
Zweites Buch (Hitler's second book)
With Hitler on the Road to Power by Otto Dietrich
Hitler's Secret Backers by Warburg
The Young Hitler I knew by August Kubizak
The Revolt Against Civilization by Stoddard
The Forced War by Hoggan
The Inside Story of the Peace Conference by DIllon
The Enemy of our Enemies by Oliver
The Collected Writings of Gottfreid Feder
SS Leadership by Alfred Kotz
The Reichstag Fire by Tobias
Origins of the Second World War by Taylor
My Commando Operations by Otto Skorzeny
Lectures on the Holocaust by Rudolf
Last Days of the Romanovs by Wilton
Judaism in Music by Richard Wagner
The Jews and Their Lies by Martin Luther
The Jewish Genocide of Armenian Christians by Bjerknes
Jewish Domination of Weimar Germany by Verlag
Into the Darkness by Verlag
The International Jew by Henry Ford
Adolf Hitler The Life of a Leader by various authors
Hitler Democrat by Leon Degrelle
Goebbels on the Jews by Goebbels
Germany Speaks by various authors
Germany's Hitler by Heinz
Of course, MOST of these books are NOT available on Amazon or other major book sellers. I have the privilege of having ALL of these hard-copy books in my personal library, plus about 15 other Hitler/Nazi books I haven't yet read.
The majority of these books been relegated to the ash-heap of anti-Nazi, pro-Jewish book-burning fires - or rather the modern version of that. Ask yourself-- WHY IS THAT?
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Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
and you claim to be of Jewish descent and heritage?!?
AlfaMan
We're all Devo!
Here's another propaganda film from the mid 30's, called Olympia. The film documents the 1936 Berlin Olympics.
It's in two parts, Festival of Nations and Festival of Beauty. Herr Hitler speaks briefly in both films as I remember.
Part one-Festival of Nations
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3LOPhRq3Es
Part Two-Festival of Beauty
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHN8Jwku1Nc
A small warning-both films carry light "artistic" nudity at the beginning.
But as patently offensive as the "Hitler is good Jews are evil " story lines that are beginning to permeate TB2K are, I figure it won't offend anybody in the least.
It's in two parts, Festival of Nations and Festival of Beauty. Herr Hitler speaks briefly in both films as I remember.
Part one-Festival of Nations
Part Two-Festival of Beauty
A small warning-both films carry light "artistic" nudity at the beginning.
But as patently offensive as the "Hitler is good Jews are evil " story lines that are beginning to permeate TB2K are, I figure it won't offend anybody in the least.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
AlfaMan
We're all Devo!
Here's another piece of history that may interest you.
Mein Kamph, the Stalag edition. This book was translated by the NSDAP into English pre war and was a part of Stalag (POW camps) libraries. It is an accurate and true English translation of the book.
The book is a recipe for what happened in the Holocaust. A dangerous book perhaps, but an interesting read.
https://ia801506.us.archive.org/24/items/mein-kampf-the-stalag-edition-eng-1937-1944-799-pages-adolf-hitler/Mein Kampf (The Stalag Edition; ENG; 1937-1944; 799 Pages) Adolf Hitler.pdf
Here's the epilogue of the book-quite telling.
PILOGUE On November 9, 1923, in the fourth year of its existence, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party was dissolved and prohibited in the whole Reich territory. Today, in November, 1926, it stands again free before us, stronger and inwardly firmer than ever before. All the persecutions of the movement and its individual leaders, all vilifications and slanders, were powerless to harm it. The correctness of its ideas, the purity of its will, its supporters’spirit of self-sacrifice, have caused it to issue from all repressions strong than ever. If, in the world of our present parliamentary corruption, it becomes more and more aware of the profoundest essence of its struggle, feels itself to be the purest embodiment of the value of race and personality and conducts itself accordingly, it will with almost mathematical certainty some day emerge victorious from its struggle. Just as Germany must inevitably win her rightful position on this earth if she is led and organized according to the same principles. A state which in this age of racial poisoning dedicates itself to the care of its best racial elements must some day become lord of the earth. May the adherents of our movement never forget this if ever the magnitude of the sacrifices should beguile them to an anxious comparison with the possible results.
Mein Kamph, the Stalag edition. This book was translated by the NSDAP into English pre war and was a part of Stalag (POW camps) libraries. It is an accurate and true English translation of the book.
The book is a recipe for what happened in the Holocaust. A dangerous book perhaps, but an interesting read.
https://ia801506.us.archive.org/24/items/mein-kampf-the-stalag-edition-eng-1937-1944-799-pages-adolf-hitler/Mein Kampf (The Stalag Edition; ENG; 1937-1944; 799 Pages) Adolf Hitler.pdf
Here's the epilogue of the book-quite telling.
PILOGUE On November 9, 1923, in the fourth year of its existence, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party was dissolved and prohibited in the whole Reich territory. Today, in November, 1926, it stands again free before us, stronger and inwardly firmer than ever before. All the persecutions of the movement and its individual leaders, all vilifications and slanders, were powerless to harm it. The correctness of its ideas, the purity of its will, its supporters’spirit of self-sacrifice, have caused it to issue from all repressions strong than ever. If, in the world of our present parliamentary corruption, it becomes more and more aware of the profoundest essence of its struggle, feels itself to be the purest embodiment of the value of race and personality and conducts itself accordingly, it will with almost mathematical certainty some day emerge victorious from its struggle. Just as Germany must inevitably win her rightful position on this earth if she is led and organized according to the same principles. A state which in this age of racial poisoning dedicates itself to the care of its best racial elements must some day become lord of the earth. May the adherents of our movement never forget this if ever the magnitude of the sacrifices should beguile them to an anxious comparison with the possible results.
JMG91
Veteran Member
That last statement is disingenuous. Nobody on here is saying that Hitler was good; we're saying that there is always another side to the story, and many on here seem so intent on protecting the Jewish people--regardless of any wicked deeds THEY may have committed--with the cry of: "But they're God's chosen people!" If they don't believe in their Messiah, they're as lost as every other unbeliever, and the vicious acts their people commit on the whole in the name of their 'specialness' are vile. Being objective about history, and accepting that it is more complex than what we're often told is not wrong.
Most on this forum are so conditioned to think a certain way about this information that they scoff at it and refuse to even hear it. "He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."
JMG91
Veteran Member
I fail to see what that has to do with anything. There are many Jews out there who say that Hitler was not the evil man he was made out to be.
Hognutz
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Maybe he is interested in learning, not just propaganda from the last 70 years everyone else emotes over……
Hognutz
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Being kinda antisemitic ain’t ya?
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I don't support the Jewish people because they're righteous. You are correct about that--they are no more righteous than the REST of us sinners, FOR WHOM THE MESSIAH BECAME THE PASSOVER SACRIFICE to save us all from God's judgment for our sins (so in a sense EVERY PERSON who has EVER sinned is the true "Christ-killer"--because if WE were not sinful, HE would not have had to die for us.)
No--I support them because I believe the WORD of GOD.
It is my LOVE FOR GOD that makes me support HIS WORD--His word in which He says He does NOT change, CANNOT lie, and WILL NOT forget or forsake "Israel"--which in the Old Testament context of the prophecies CLEARLY MEANT THE 12 TRIBES DESCENDED from ABRAHAM. It is because I believe GOD and HIS WORD that I believe HE WILL FULFILL HIS WORD as He promised and will RESTORE His people---will tear away the veil from their eyes--will MAKE them see "Him whom they have pierced" and mourn for Him--who will grant them a "spirit of supplication and of repentance"--and who will lead them to fulfill Jesus' words to His people at Jerusalem: "You will not see Me again, UNTIL you say, 'Baruch haShem Adonai!" (Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!)--and then HE WILL COME, to rescue them and to rule, LITERALLY from JERUSALEM, as God's WORD promises!
"There shall not fail ONE WORD of His good promise"--it is because I know my God DOES NOT LIE and that this verse is true, that I BELIEVE what He plainly says about Israel in both the Old and New Testaments, and that He WILL do as He promised. I will not agree with those who twist or whitewash those verses to mean something they do not just to fit their own biases, instead of what they plainly say.
And I will obey His command to pray for the peace of Jerusalem--because doing so is praying for JESUS' RETURN.
JMG91
Veteran Member
I agree that God is not a liar; He did restore His people--He sent them their Messiah, whom they rejected. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on interpretation though. (I don't want to derail the thread either.)
AlfaMan
We're all Devo!
I fully believe that every man makes their own way. Jew Christian whoever. And yes, there's always another side to a story. I like finding two sides to each story.
But I won't fall for smooth polished arguments from either side.
I'm not intent on protecting anyone-every man makes their own way.
And if you think my statement was disingenuous, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way.
naegling62
Veteran Member
We can argue all we want about Adolf Hitler but at the end of the day all points arrive at the same destination and that is a road you don’t want to travel on.
The American model of governance is the best. Love him or hate him AH is the exact reason our system is the best option for humanity.
The American model of governance is the best. Love him or hate him AH is the exact reason our system is the best option for humanity.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Comments in support:
From wiki.
The Nuremberg rallies (officially Reichsparteitagⓘ, meaning Reich Party Congress) were a series of celebratory events coordinated by the Nazi Party in Germany. The first Nazi Nuremberg rally took place in 1923.[1] This rally was not particularly large and did not have much impact; however, as the party grew in size, the rallies became more elaborate and featured larger crowds. They played a seminal role in Nazi propaganda events, conveying a unified and strong Germany under Nazi control. The rallies became a national event once Adolf Hitler rose to power in 1933, when they became annual occurrences. Once the Nazi dictatorship was firmly established, the party's propagandists began filming them for a national and international audience. Nazi filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl produced some of her best known work including Triumph of the Will (1934) and The Victory of Faith (1933), both filmed at the Nazi party rally grounds near Nuremberg.[2] The party's 1938 Nuremberg rally celebrated the Anschluss that occurred earlier that year.[2] The 1939 scheduled rally was cancelled just before Germany's invasion of Poland and the Nazi regime never held another one due to the prioritization of Germany's efforts in the Second World War.
In case anyone is doing a report and will get an F for using wiki, here are a couple of other links:
The Nuremberg rallies (officially Reichsparteitagⓘ, meaning Reich Party Congress) were a series of celebratory events coordinated by the Nazi Party in Germany. The first Nazi Nuremberg rally took place in 1923.[1] This rally was not particularly large and did not have much impact; however, as the party grew in size, the rallies became more elaborate and featured larger crowds. They played a seminal role in Nazi propaganda events, conveying a unified and strong Germany under Nazi control. The rallies became a national event once Adolf Hitler rose to power in 1933, when they became annual occurrences. Once the Nazi dictatorship was firmly established, the party's propagandists began filming them for a national and international audience. Nazi filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl produced some of her best known work including Triumph of the Will (1934) and The Victory of Faith (1933), both filmed at the Nazi party rally grounds near Nuremberg.[2] The party's 1938 Nuremberg rally celebrated the Anschluss that occurred earlier that year.[2] The 1939 scheduled rally was cancelled just before Germany's invasion of Poland and the Nazi regime never held another one due to the prioritization of Germany's efforts in the Second World War.
From the Nuremberg Museum.
What were the Nazi Party Rallies? | Documentation Center Nazi Party Rally Grounds
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Nürnberg Rally, any of the massive Nazi Party rallies held in 1923, 1927, and 1929 and annually from 1933 through 1938 in Nürnberg (Nuremberg) in Bavaria. The rallies were primarily propaganda events, carefully staged to reinforce party enthusiasm and to showcase the power of National Socialism to the rest of Germany and the world.
The first nationwide party convention was held in Munich in January 1923, but in September of the same year the site was moved to Nürnberg, whose quaint medieval character provided an ideal backdrop for the nationalistic pageantry of the second party congress. The first truly grand-scale rally occurred in 1929 and featured most of the elements that marked all future rallies: blaring Wagnerian overtures, stirring martial songs, banners, goose-step marches, human swastika formations, torchlight processions, bonfires, and magnificent fireworks displays. Adolf Hitler and other Nazi leaders delivered lengthy orations. Buildings were festooned with enormous flags and Nazi insignia. The climax of the rallies was the solemn consecration of the colours, in which new flags were touched to the Blutfahne (Blood Banner), a tattered standard said to have been steeped in the blood of those killed in Hitler’s abortive Beer Hall Putsch of November 8–9, 1923.
The rallies usually were held in late August or September, lasted several days to a week, and drew hundreds of thousands of Party members and spectators, including hundreds of foreign journalists. The rallies included rousing speeches by the Führer (Hitler) that were often the occasion for the announcement of new Nazi directions. For example, in 1935 the racist Nürnberg Laws were promulgated against the Jews.
The emotional power generated by the rallies has been preserved in films, most notably in Leni Riefenstahl’s classic Triumph des Willens (1935; Triumph of the Will), which presents a carefully orchestrated version of the 1934 rally. The so-called Peace Rally was canceled for 1939 because of preparations for war against Poland.
Nürnberg Rally | Hitler’s Speech, Propaganda & Anti-Semitism | Britannica
Nürnberg Rally, any of the massive Nazi Party rallies held in 1923, 1927, and 1929 and annually from 1933 through 1938 in Nürnberg (Nuremberg) in Bavaria. The rallies were primarily propaganda events, carefully staged to reinforce party enthusiasm and to showcase the power of National Socialism to
www.britannica.com
Concerning the film:
Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will
In April 1934, Adolf Hitler orders dancer/actress/director Leni Riefenstahl (1902-2003) to make a film of the "Party Rally of Unity and Strength" that September in Nuremberg. Just a year earlier, she had made "Victory of Faith," but that Party Rally film had suffered from many shortcomings in both execution and dramaturgy. It also showed SA head Ernst Röhm almost as Hitler's equal. Röhm was murdered a year later at the Führer's command.
The "Triumph of the Will" – the title comes from Hitler himself – proves to be a perfectly executed propaganda film lasting nearly two hours. After its premiere at Berlin's UFA Palast theater on March 28, 1935, it runs in 70 German cities. The Nazi Party film distributorship uses it for political education, and also shows it in schools. Pupils' attendance is mandatory.
This masterful phantasmagoria, using new shooting techniques and unusual camera angles, takes months to edit in the studio. It will henceforth dominate visual memories of the Nazi Party Rallies, with their orchestrated masses, and promotes the party's most important political message: the ties between the Führer and his "Volk." Hitler himself appears in a third of the film. In 1945, after the end of the war, the victorious Allies will ban it from public showing.
Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will | Documentation Center Nazi Party Rally Grounds
Museen
concerning the film maker:
On 20 November 1984, in the southern German city of Freiburg, two film-makers faced each other in court for the first day of a trial that was to last nearly two and a half years. The plaintiff, Leni Riefenstahl, had been Hitler’s favourite film-maker. Now 82, she showed up to court in a sheepskin coat over a beige suit, her blond hair set in a large neat perm framing a tanned face. The defendant was a striking, dark-haired 32-year-old documentary maker. Her name was Nina Gladitz, and the outcome of the trial would shape the rest of her life.
During the Nazi era, Riefenstahl had been the regime’s most skilled propagandist, directing films that continue to be both reviled for their glorification of the Third Reich and considered landmarks of early cinema for their innovations and technical mastery. Once the second world war was over, Riefenstahl sought to distance herself from the regime she had served, portraying herself as an apolitical naif whose only motivation was making the most beautiful art possible. “I don’t know what I should apologise for,” she once said. “All my films won the top prize.”
Best of 2022 … so far: Burying Leni Riefenstahl: one woman’s lifelong crusade against Hitler’s favourite film-maker – podcast
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Riefenstahl was taking Gladitz to court over claims made in Gladitz’s television documentary Time of Darkness and Silence, which had aired in 1982. In the film, members of a family of Sinti – a Romani people living mainly in Germany and Austria – had accused Riefenstahl of taking them out of Maxglan, a Nazi concentration camp near Salzburg, in September 1940, and forcing them to work as extras in her feature film Tiefland (Lowlands). Riefenstahl would later claim that all of the Romani extras – 53 Roma and Sinti from Maxglan, and a further 78 from a camp in eastern Berlin – had survived the war. In fact, almost 100 of them are known or believed to have been gassed in Auschwitz, just a small fraction of the 220,000 to 500,000 Romani people murdered in the Holocaust. Some of the survivors insisted that Riefenstahl had promised to save them. One, Josef Reinhardt, was 13 when he was drafted as an extra. He was the trial’s key witness, and sat beside Gladitz in the courtroom every day.
Riefenstahl denied that she had visited the camp to handpick the extras, denied failing to pay them and denied having promised and subsequently failed to save them from Auschwitz. She claimed that, while making the film, she had not known of the existence of the gas chambers, nor of the fate of the Roma and Sinti. When Gladitz’s documentary was played in court on the opening day of the trial, Riefenstahl repeatedly interrupted the screening with cries of “Lies! Lies!” and “Nothing but a lie!” As her shouts echoed round the darkened courtroom, the judge, Günther Oswald, told her: “Madam, I have no other choice than to watch the film.”
While there is no doubt that Riefenstahl’s account of her own life is far from reliable, it has been hard to establish precisely what she knew about the horrors perpetrated during the Third Reich. She was the regime’s leading film propagandist for almost its entire duration, and her films included Triumph of the Will, about the Nuremberg rally, and Olympia, a record of the 1936 Berlin Olympic Games. But, though she was a close friend of Adolf Hitler and other high-ranking Nazis, such as the fanatical antisemite Julius Streicher, Riefenstahl fiercely denied any awareness of the slaughter that took place in concentration camps. Jürgen Trimborn, author of a highly critical biography published in 2002, declared that there was “no evidence that, due to her proximity to the regime, Riefenstahl knew more than others did about the mass annihilation of the Jews. But it is obvious that, like most Germans, she knew enough to be sure that it was better not to know even more.” (Gladitz would later judge this analysis as far too generous.)
During the trial, Riefenstahl produced correspondence from one of the extras that appeared to support her account of her good relationship with them while filming Tiefland. It was accepted that they had habitually referred to her as “Tante Leni”, or Auntie Leni. “Even if you don’t want to believe it, the Gypsies – the adults as well as the children – were our darlings,” Riefenstahl said. But the court also heard that during the day the extras were watched by two policemen, and at night they were locked up in sheds and cellars. A contract discovered by Gladitz in archives in Salzburg showed an agreement between Riefenstahl and the SS camp guard that measures would be taken against any attempts at escape.
When the trial finally reached its conclusion, in March 1987, Gladitz won on three out of four points. The judge ruled that Riefenstahl had indeed visited the Maxglan camp to choose the extras, and that they had not been paid for their work. He also overturned Riefenstahl’s description of Maxglan as a “relief and welfare camp”, stating that by definition it was a concentration camp.
A really long read more at link:
Burying Leni Riefenstahl: one woman’s lifelong crusade against Hitler’s favourite film-maker
The long read: Nina Gladitz dedicated her life to proving beyond doubt the Triumph of the Will director’s complicity with the horrors of Nazism. In the end, she succeeded – but at a cost
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SouthernBreeze
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TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
It's not so much about deserving. The Third Reich was engaged in things that needed to be stopped, and even when the battlefields were pushed into Germany proper, the Nazis didn't end their campaign. So they were pounded into submission. Such is the horror of total war.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
True. Hitler wanted the old men and youth who were guarding Berlin to die to the last man.
And when a people, like my mother who was in Berlin and saw the Russians down in the streets below her still thought the German army would win, it's the way it has to be done.
Just think how it would have turned out if Germany surrendered on D-Day.
LibertyInNH
Senior Member
I don't think it takes artificial intelligence to dub and caption a video..
Voortrekker
Veteran Member
109? Ya'll forgot abut the Garden of Eden...it'll probably be 111, because the united Arab forces are going to expel them from the Palestine Mediterranean Coast and I have no idea where (((those))) refugees will end up!
Well, they will certainly try.
SouthernBreeze
TB Fanatic
It will be the united Arab forces that will be expelled through destruction by God's own hand when they try.
Teeja
On the Beach
Since you guys keep injecting religion into this thread, I'll continue for a bit:
This ability to contort scriptures into "God always loves the Jewish nation" and will "Always fight supernaturally for them" is based upon a faulty view of Abraham's promise. First of all, the ONLY thing that makes Jews special is that they carried the SEED (the Messiah Jesus Christ) up until He came to earth. THAT's what made them "special" in the eyes of God. God protected them SO THAT Jesus could come to earth. JESUS CHRIST is what made the Jews "special", plain and simple. Notice the past tense of the word "made". I did not say "MAKES the Jews special", but "MADE the Jews special". The special nature of the Jews ENDED with the coming of Christ and their ultimate rejection of Him. That's what MADE them special (past tense).
"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."
Please note that modern Bible versions CHANGE the words "SEED" and often translate it as "DESCENDANTS". This is a serious error and a result of liberal Bible-translation efforts. But it is the SEED (Jesus Christ) to whom the promises were made and kept, and not through the physical descendants of the Jewish race (who rejected Him). Notice it does not say "SEEDS" (plural), but "SEED" (singular). Once Jesus came, and was rejected, the promises to physical Israel ended. But the promises to SPIRITUAL ISRAEL can never end and those promises come through Jesus Christ.
Second of all, there are NO unconditional promises in scriptures that God will continue to protect the Jewish nation in perpetuity and without regard for how sinful and evil they become. God's promise for that is conditional, so that IF the Jews continued in the faith (accepted their Messiah) those promises would occur. But that didn't happen, so Gods blessing upon the nation of the Jews has been turned into a a curse. THIS is why they've been kicked out of nearly every country in which they find themselves and persecuted & hounded throughout recent history.
The modern Baptist view that "We must support Israel" is a faulty view. It's based upon a fake translation of the Bible, plus an incorrect interpretation of many scriptures which clearly state that God's blessing has ended for the Jewish nation. This view has been the historical view for Bible-believing Christians since roughly 70 A.D., up until the late 1800's when Darby introduced the concept of "dispensationalism" into the mix, and later the Scofield Reference Bible took up that faulty view and it was taught in many Bible colleges. But, things are changing in the "Baptist" world with an increase of understanding of the rightful place of the physical nation of Israel, but it's happening slowly and not without a lot of push-back, as evidenced by those who oppose the truth in this thread.
But the radical, rabid support of the nation of Israel is indeed wrong. To those who keep insisting that Israel cannot be defeated "because God protects them" will soon enough discover the faulty nature of that belief system.
This ability to contort scriptures into "God always loves the Jewish nation" and will "Always fight supernaturally for them" is based upon a faulty view of Abraham's promise. First of all, the ONLY thing that makes Jews special is that they carried the SEED (the Messiah Jesus Christ) up until He came to earth. THAT's what made them "special" in the eyes of God. God protected them SO THAT Jesus could come to earth. JESUS CHRIST is what made the Jews "special", plain and simple. Notice the past tense of the word "made". I did not say "MAKES the Jews special", but "MADE the Jews special". The special nature of the Jews ENDED with the coming of Christ and their ultimate rejection of Him. That's what MADE them special (past tense).
"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."
Please note that modern Bible versions CHANGE the words "SEED" and often translate it as "DESCENDANTS". This is a serious error and a result of liberal Bible-translation efforts. But it is the SEED (Jesus Christ) to whom the promises were made and kept, and not through the physical descendants of the Jewish race (who rejected Him). Notice it does not say "SEEDS" (plural), but "SEED" (singular). Once Jesus came, and was rejected, the promises to physical Israel ended. But the promises to SPIRITUAL ISRAEL can never end and those promises come through Jesus Christ.
Second of all, there are NO unconditional promises in scriptures that God will continue to protect the Jewish nation in perpetuity and without regard for how sinful and evil they become. God's promise for that is conditional, so that IF the Jews continued in the faith (accepted their Messiah) those promises would occur. But that didn't happen, so Gods blessing upon the nation of the Jews has been turned into a a curse. THIS is why they've been kicked out of nearly every country in which they find themselves and persecuted & hounded throughout recent history.
The modern Baptist view that "We must support Israel" is a faulty view. It's based upon a fake translation of the Bible, plus an incorrect interpretation of many scriptures which clearly state that God's blessing has ended for the Jewish nation. This view has been the historical view for Bible-believing Christians since roughly 70 A.D., up until the late 1800's when Darby introduced the concept of "dispensationalism" into the mix, and later the Scofield Reference Bible took up that faulty view and it was taught in many Bible colleges. But, things are changing in the "Baptist" world with an increase of understanding of the rightful place of the physical nation of Israel, but it's happening slowly and not without a lot of push-back, as evidenced by those who oppose the truth in this thread.
But the radical, rabid support of the nation of Israel is indeed wrong. To those who keep insisting that Israel cannot be defeated "because God protects them" will soon enough discover the faulty nature of that belief system.
While were on the topic of Hitler and the Nazis, I would like to remind everyone how close we came here during the COIVD Psyop, and how many of our "fellow" citizens supported the exact same treatment the Jews received during WWII to the unvaccinated, including sending the unvaccinated to concentration quarantine camps, for the "safety" of the vaccinated. Instead of Jews, it was "the COVID".
We cannot look down at the German citizens, as if we are better, because as history as show, we were not. Both instances, one historical and one recent, show just how easy a population can be manipulated and moved, in the direction of a singular leader or narrative.
We cannot look down at the German citizens, as if we are better, because as history as show, we were not. Both instances, one historical and one recent, show just how easy a population can be manipulated and moved, in the direction of a singular leader or narrative.
greysage
Gold Level Member
But your professor was lying, making up a story. None of what he said is true. And now you're spreading that professor's lies as well.
If you listen to the 6 min speech in the OP's video, he said nothing flowery, he was telling the truth. You know how I know? Because I see the exact same, worse even, here in America.
JMG91
Veteran Member
I view it this way: Just like in Trump's administration, Hitler appointed people that he hoped would have Germany's best interests in mind, does that mean that they all did? No. There will always be individuals who take advantage of war to harm others for their own benefit/enjoyment. That does not mean, however, that all of Germany's leaders at that time--including Hitler himself--approved of everything that was done by those under him. Imagine the chaos of everything that was going on at that time; I'm sure that there was a lot of terrible things that fell through the cracks. However, I do know that it was against the law to commit atrocities of any kind against the labor camp inhabitants, and there were numerous German officers who were caught doing exactly that--they murdered innocents, as I recall--and they were put before a firing squad.
Knoxville's Joker
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Amd one question i have is this: if hitler saw the actual concentration camps and their operations, would he have stopped it?!!!!??
JMG91
Veteran Member
The answer to that is: Who is telling the truth? Many, many, many of those living in those labor camps say that they were treated very well. They had soccer teams--which they played with both the German soldiers and local citizens--they had their own bands that put on performances, at least one of the camps had its own movie theater, an olympic-sized swimming pool, and they were given money for their work so that they could spend it on things in the camp--like the movie theater--the same way they did on the outside. As I've stated several times already, the trouble came when the Allies bombed supply lines, and made it impossible to get necessities, including food, medical supplies, and necessary pest control measures into the camps. What do we say when we refer to TEOTWAKI on here? No food, no hygiene, etc., and people are going to die. That's what was happening there. I didn't pull this information from some random person on the internet either; these statements came directly from the Jewish people living in these camps. But we are only ever shown the testimonies of those who speak of horrible conditions--which came about during the last couple years of the war due to inability to maintain proper supply in the camps. The woman whose video I posted in the Occupied movie thread that BE posted here on Main said that the gas chamber showers were bull--that it was never going on--and that the German soldiers treated them wonderfully, specifically referring to herself and the other young ladies there. She said that those years in the camps were some of the happiest of her life.
Why such a disparity of testimonies? Some of those who have been held up highest by the MSM have either been caught or admitted on their own that they made it up. Am I saying that everyone in those camps had a wonderful experience? No. But there's always more to the story, and we often only get one side to this story. No one wants to consider the possibility that there are Jews out there who are in this for the money and sympathy, and would gladly lie about it in order to advance the cause of Talmudic Jewry, who believe they are destined to rule over the rest of us--they themselves happily admit this. Perhaps the reason for the disparity in testimonies is that some are lying and some are not. And saying so does not make me anti-semitic; it's merely the logical conclusion.
Many of the so-called atrocities that were reported by Great Britain during WWI, and were later admitted to be propaganda in order to galvanize the public against Germany, were simply repackaged and reused for WWII, and everyone fell for it a second time. Many more of the horrors supposedly committed in the labor camps were actually happening to German citizens, and while there are often no pictures or other evidence that these things ever happened to the Jews, there's plenty of evidence for what was happening to the German citizenry.
Voltaire said that if you want to know who rules over you, look at who you're not allowed to criticize. That holds true in this situation as well as any other. In Germany, it is against the law to question the holocaust; the punishment is imprisonment. That should say something. If you read the testimonies from various American GIs and RAF pilots, they will say that what they did was "the real holocaust"--that's a quote, by the way--and they knew that what they were doing to the German people was wrong. We don't like the thought of admitting that we may have done something wrong; we want to believe that we were on the side of righteousness, and that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers were righteous liberators, but that's not always the case. And indirectly, they were responsible for the conditions that were found in those camps, as ugly as that is.
"sheisters"....... yes. A specific type of sheister, which was, in fact, one of the reasons they were expelled from a country.
Look up England's "Great Coin Clipping" scandal of 1278.
Voortrekker
Veteran Member
Teeja, had made would be more grammatically correct and actually convey your meaning. How come I'm the only one who listened to Prof. Daniels in college English 101?
Harbrace and Strunck and White are your go to references one cannot go wrong. (often incorrectly written can--not!)
Harbrace and Strunck and White are your go to references one cannot go wrong. (often incorrectly written can--not!)
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momma_soapmaker
Disgusted
How many people have actually read Corrie Ten Boom?
Voortrekker
Veteran Member
The hated Bosch, that's what the people in that part of Europe call the Germans. There has always been a strained relationship between the Netherlands, Belgium, Dutch and the Germanics. There was a lot of resentment about "invading territory" during the Great War and even more resentment when the Wehrmacht invaded in 1940.
I had never heard of Corrie ten Boom.
momma_soapmaker
Disgusted
She wrote "The Hiding Place".
From the description:
Corrie ten Boom was the first licensed female watchmaker in the Netherlands who became a heroine of the Resistance, a survivor of Hitler's concentration camps, and one of the most remarkable ministers of hope in the twentieth century.
In World War II she and her family risked their lives to help Jews and underground workers escape from the Nazis. In 1944 their lives were forever altered when they were betrayed, arrested, and thrown into the infamous Nazi death camps. Only Corrie among her family survived.
From the description:
Corrie ten Boom was the first licensed female watchmaker in the Netherlands who became a heroine of the Resistance, a survivor of Hitler's concentration camps, and one of the most remarkable ministers of hope in the twentieth century.
In World War II she and her family risked their lives to help Jews and underground workers escape from the Nazis. In 1944 their lives were forever altered when they were betrayed, arrested, and thrown into the infamous Nazi death camps. Only Corrie among her family survived.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Read Hiding Place.The answer to that is: Who is telling the truth? Many, many, many of those living in those labor camps say that they were treated very well. They had soccer teams--which they played with both the German soldiers and local citizens--they had their own bands that put on performances, at least one of the camps had its own movie theater, an olympic-sized swimming pool, and they were given money for their work so that they could spend it on things in the camp--like the movie theater--the same way they did on the outside. As I've stated several times already, the trouble came when the Allies bombed supply lines, and made it impossible to get necessities, including food, medical supplies, and necessary pest control measures into the camps. What do we say when we refer to TEOTWAKI on here? No food, no hygiene, etc., and people are going to die. That's what was happening there. I didn't pull this information from some random person on the internet either; these statements came directly from the Jewish people living in these camps. But we are only ever shown the testimonies of those who speak of horrible conditions--which came about during the last couple years of the war due to inability to maintain proper supply in the camps. The woman whose video I posted in the Occupied movie thread that BE posted here on Main said that the gas chamber showers were bull--that it was never going on--and that the German soldiers treated them wonderfully, specifically referring to herself and the other young ladies there. She said that those years in the camps were some of the happiest of her life.
Why such a disparity of testimonies? Some of those who have been held up highest by the MSM have either been caught or admitted on their own that they made it up. Am I saying that everyone in those camps had a wonderful experience? No. But there's always more to the story, and we often only get one side to this story. No one wants to consider the possibility that there are Jews out there who are in this for the money and sympathy, and would gladly lie about it in order to advance the cause of Talmudic Jewry, who believe they are destined to rule over the rest of us--they themselves happily admit this. Perhaps the reason for the disparity in testimonies is that some are lying and some are not. And saying so does not make me anti-semitic; it's merely the logical conclusion.
Many of the so-called atrocities that were reported by Great Britain during WWI, and were later admitted to be propaganda in order to galvanize the public against Germany, were simply repackaged and reused for WWII, and everyone fell for it a second time. Many more of the horrors supposedly committed in the labor camps were actually happening to German citizens, and while there are often no pictures or other evidence that these things ever happened to the Jews, there's plenty of evidence for what was happening to the German citizenry.
Voltaire said that if you want to know who rules over you, look at who you're not allowed to criticize. That holds true in this situation as well as any other. In Germany, it is against the law to question the holocaust; the punishment is imprisonment. That should say something. If you read the testimonies from various American GIs and RAF pilots, they will say that what they did was "the real holocaust"--that's a quote, by the way--and they knew that what they were doing to the German people was wrong. We don't like the thought of admitting that we may have done something wrong; we want to believe that we were on the side of righteousness, and that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers were righteous liberators, but that's not always the case. And indirectly, they were responsible for the conditions that were found in those camps, as ugly as that is.
Author/protangonists were NOT Jewish.